Girls' Clothing These Days

[Klucky]

FestiveLeaf sort of brought this to mind. The other day, I had noticed so many girls in my high school wearing shirts and pants with words and phrases written on them. Okay, I've noticed this tons of times before, but there were a lot the other day. Here are the ones I remember.

"Free Milk!" (shirt)
"Bling Bling" (seat of pants)
"Champ" (seat of pants)
"Baby Phat" (seat of pants)
"Hot Cocoa Factory" (shirt)

Somebody please help me figure this stuff out... :geez: I know there are more out there. Share them so we can be scared together.

-Klucky

[Aidron]

"Tug them and I'll smile" (shirt)
"All the boys stare at them" (shirt)
"Hot stuff" (pants)
"You know you want me" (shirt, though this sounds like something I'd probably wear :lol: )
"Hands off! Face on!" (shirt)

[Fairywolf]

I have to laugh at todays styles. :lol:

[Faeawyn]

Call me a prude....but I make it a point to never allow my 11yo daughter to wear shorts or pants with words written on her butt. Quite frankly, I don't want people staring at her rear trying to read it.....it just seems kinda sick to me.

[Avalon]

Huh...the closest thing we had in high school were those Levi's "Button Your Fly" t-shirts...:foh:

[mucgwyrt]

or those tshirts with hand prints over the boob-area... tasteless or what?

[ArKane]

[Shameless 17yr old old fashioned prude] But...

I'm Snooty, Cuz I've Got Nice Booty.
Sex Sells! And I'm A Best Seller.
If You Think I'm Cute, Wait Until I'm Naked.
Backseat Rider
Playful In Bed
My boyfriend is out of town

I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!

[Felidae]

or those tshirts with hand prints over the boob-area... tasteless or what?
He, he - I'm far from being considered a girl anymore, but I have a Misfits shirt with glow-in-the-dark bone-prints over the boob-area... I thought it was funny. :bigredblu

But no, I wouldn't let my 17 year old wear this schlock (and thankfully she doesn't want to).

[71Beetle4Rio]

I know what you all mean, I have a junior and senior next year and teenage girls are unders so much pressure to fit in. My wife and I have to say NO to some stuff but there pretty good about what they wear, they respect themselves enough not to wear most of that trash. It's scary what they try to get away with.

Oh by the way Klucky the pic is for you.

And last but not least I'm still stuck in the desert, on hold but hopefully leaving soon.

Cheers

Rio

( o \ ! / o )

71 Super Beetle

[Azure]

Well, I want to see a little balance - you notice there aren't so many guys pants with similar writing across the butt. . .

Some of those - like "Baby Phat" - by the way, are brand names.

[SacredWithin]

I think they're amusing to read... depending on who is wearing them. :lol:

[Aidron]

I just realized that I want some pants that say "Baby got BACK!" :lol:

[SacredWithin]

Well, I want to see a little balance - you notice there aren't so many guys pants with similar writing across the butt. . .

Some of those - like "Baby Phat" - by the way, are brand names.

If a guy had writing on his butt, I wonder what it would say?

[FestiveLeaf]

you want them.....psssh, you already gots them *snap snap*

[Aidron]

If a guy had writing on his butt, I wonder what it would say?

"Baby got BACK!" of course. Read my post. :lol:

[Nighthawk]

If a guy had writing on his butt, I wonder what it would say?
would say...."BITE ME!!!" But, that's just me...and an idea for another thread... someone else start it.. "If your clothing..."

[SnowStar]

I for one don't need writing on the back of my pants to draw any more attention to my large backside than it already seems to get. I have plenty of shirts with cute sayings on them, but none of them are particularly suggestive, so if anything, they draw a little attention away from yet another area where I was a little extra blessed.

Some of the things my shirts say:
"I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter"
"You! Off my planet!" (with Marvin the Martian)
"Rock Star"
"I'M FAMOUS (you just don't know it yet)"
"What part of CUTE don't you understand?" (It has Mickey Mouse in it, which IMO automatically negates any sort of suggestive context in which that could possibly be taken)
"I'm with the band"
"I got backstage"
"Gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, keep me here."

Some things that shirts I want say:
"WTF?"
"No, I will not fix your computer."
And possibly the only one that is even *slightly* suggestive...
"Talk nerdy to me"

As for shirts with suggestive slogans on them, I find some of them amusing, but it's unlikely I'd wear one. I don't really have the attitude to pull it off if I wanted to. I'd also agree that some are in bad taste, but at least on the hanger they're still funny.

[Avalon]

I bought my cousin a t-shirt that said "Drama Queen in Training" :lol:

[Faeawyn]

If a guy had writing on his butt, I wonder what it would say?
Hmmm....
"Stud"
"Ramrod"
"Yes, I'm an ass" :lol:
"Dick in front" :lol:
"jerk in front" and I mean the verb, not the noun :lol:
I'm not man bashing.....they just seem like something a guy with writing on his butt would have on his butt :lol:

[Aidron]

Hmmm....
"Stud"
"Ramrod"
"Yes, I'm an ass" :lol:
"Dick in front" :lol:
"jerk in front" and I mean the verb, not the noun :lol:
I'm not man bashing.....they just seem like something a guy with writing on his butt would have on his butt :lol:


I wouldn't put any of that on my bum, except for "Yes, I'm an ass!" :lol:

[somberwillow]

I've always been a fan of the "I'm with stupid" t-shirt lines :)


Seriously tho, some of the girls clothes are aweful. I refuse to let my daughter wear them. They have suggestive saying etc on shirts for girls under 10 too. :( Hell I don't even let my kid out in public in bell-bottoms (can change the name to flairs but they are still the same 30 years later).... I hated them in the 70's I sure as heck am not a fan of them in the 2000's :sick:

[WrathofCirce]

I'm dating myself, but I remember in the 80's when sayings on shirts were all the rage, thanks to Boy George. I remember "Just Say No," "Leave Me Alone" "Go Away" and a bunch of others. of course, the style was very different. The tees were HUGE and not even remotely sexy. Today's tee's cover very little. Those tees covered everything from neck to knees. I think I like the style of today's t-shirts much better.

[Calyx]

I'm dating myself, but I remember in the 80's when sayings on shirts were all the rage, thanks to Boy George. I remember "Just Say No," "Leave Me Alone" "Go Away" and a bunch of others. of course, the style was very different. The tees were HUGE and not even remotely sexy. Today's tee's cover very little. Those tees covered everything from neck to knees. I think I like the style of today's t-shirts much better.

Don't forget RELAX, remember Frankie Goes to Hollywood? :)

[Nissala]

If a guy had writing on his butt, I wonder what it would say?


The only thing I can thing of that it might say is
"A$$ within" :hehehehe:

A friend just bought me one that says :

If your d*** was as big as your mouth
I might be interested....

very explicit, I cannot see me wearing it but because I am once again single, she thought it was cute..

[Jenne]

Hmmm....
"Stud"
"Ramrod"
"Yes, I'm an ass" :lol:
"Dick in front" :lol:
"jerk in front" and I mean the verb, not the noun :lol:
I'm not man bashing.....they just seem like something a guy with writing on his butt would have on his butt :lol:
:rotfl: Those are great!

ITA...some of these t-shirts and pants just objectify the wearer and the dignity factor is totally lacking. *shrug* So much for gender equality...

[soilsigh aingeal]

[Shameless 17yr old old fashioned prude] But...

I'm Snooty, Cuz I've Got Nice Booty.
Sex Sells! And I'm A Best Seller.
If You Think I'm Cute, Wait Until I'm Naked.
Backseat Rider
Playful In Bed
My boyfriend is out of town

I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!

I couln't agree more, I can't understand why someone would want to wear something that implies how easy they might be.

[WrathofCirce]

Don't forget RELAX, remember Frankie Goes to Hollywood? :) OH, yeah. I totally forgot about that one. Oh, and I think I had one that said SAFE SEX

[menolly]

I just realized that I want some pants that say "Baby got BACK!" :lol:
I would SO wear those!!! In fact, I might make some... :rolleyes:

I've gotta say, I do LOVE *some* slogan t-shirts, altho I rarely go for the suggestive ones - I'm just not like that.

I do want one that says; "I'm a computer nerd - Come and Get I.T." :lol:

I own some FCUK ones that say 'DisFCUKtional' and 'FCUKstrated' which I thought were kinda cooll...
And I have one that says 'I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent' and one that says 'I'm multi-talented; I can talk AND p*** you off at the same time!' :lol:

I've also seen one on ShockTees.com that says 'I poke Badgers with spoons' !!! I WANT IT!!!

Now, slogan badges however - I am the QUEEN of them!!!! :devil:

[IvyCeltress]

I think I'm channelling my mother since I'm shaking my head and thinking, "Well in my day ..." .


Mom, go back to Michigan!

[Aidron]

My most sexually suggestive shirt is: "Why can't Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical outlet be friends?"

When I bought it, I thought it said Mr. Fork and Mr. Electrical outlet, thinking it was a harmless joke, until I realized after ripping the tags off what a naughty shirt it was! :lol:

[somberwillow]

The tees were HUGE and not even remotely sexy. Today's tee's cover very little. Those tees covered everything from neck to knees. I think I like the style of today's t-shirts much better.

I have to think there's a happy medium between t-shirts to the knees and t-shirts that barely cover ones boobs :p I just have an issue when I go to the store and the majority of clothes that are available make my six year old look like britney spears or some ex-disco chick that should of been left in the 70's :p

[71Beetle4Rio]

I want a t-shirt that says "Jesus paid for our sins... now let's get our money's worth" , I just love making people mad.

Cheers

Rio

[Druchii]

Well, I want to see a little balance - you notice there aren't so many guys pants with similar writing across the butt. . .

Some of those - like "Baby Phat" - by the way, are brand names.

That's because we cut the ends out and go like "Prince" or "the artist formally known as"!! What? Didn't you know? You silleee!! It's SUUUPER!!! :lol:

[charmedkisses1]

FestiveLeaf sort of brought this to mind. The other day, I had noticed so many girls in my high school wearing shirts and pants with words and phrases written on them. Okay, I've noticed this tons of times before, but there were a lot the other day. Here are the ones I remember.

"Free Milk!" (shirt)
"Bling Bling" (seat of pants)
"Champ" (seat of pants)
"Baby Phat" (seat of pants)
"Hot Cocoa Factory" (shirt)

Somebody please help me figure this stuff out... :geez: I know there are more out there. Share them so we can be scared together.

-Klucky

LOL Baby Phat is a brand, the other sayings are jsut perverted or stupid.
Love bekah

[Faeawyn]

hehehe
http://www.obsinatees.com/

[Cappy]

I wanted to get my brother in law a teeshirt that says (with arrow pointing up) "the man" (with arrow pointing down) "The legend". :lol: When I went to get it it was all sold out!

[asamananara]

I have a co-worker who came in the other day wearing a tee-shirt which
has a horizontal dotted line at the navel level, bearing the legend:
-Children must be THIS tall to ride.-
Disgusting. Needless to say, he was sent home by management.

[SilentDreams]

I think there cool and funny at times. i look at 'em and i'm not ashamed although i'm a gay dude so its not like i'm gonna get anything froms staring lol. :lol:

[menolly]

I want a t-shirt that says "Jesus paid for our sins... now let's get our money's worth" , I just love making people mad.

Cheers

Rio
I know somw great Christian-related ones! Like;

"We all have imaginary friends, but at least I don't call mine Jesus!"
"I don't care who youre father is - Don't walk on the water while I'm fishing!"
"If you drop that cross one more time, you're outta the parade!"
"Walk with Jesus - But look out for speedboats"

:smoke:

[soilsigh aingeal]

Oh Oh Oh...I remember my brother having a shirt that had a guy blowing a bubble (gum) and it said "blow me" and he had another one that said had two safes on it, going at it and it said "safe sex" and then the infamous "big Johnson" shirts. And I remember a "green turtle" (resturaunt) with two turtles on the back.

[menolly]

hehehe
http://www.obsinatees.com/
For more GREAT ones go to;

http://www.shocktees.com (http://www.shocktees.com)
and
http://www.farcanal.biz

They're awesome! :devil:

[71Beetle4Rio]

Lots of good ones here T-Shirt Hell (http://www.tshirthell.com/)

[Felidae]

The three slogan T's I own I got from www.WickedJester.com (http://www.wickedjester.com/)

One is a fairly black-humored question regarding vegetables so I won't quote it (I'm a gutless swine!), but I will say that the Fedex lady got snippy with me and I had to explain it to my boss.

But a sacker at the grocery store got the joke and loved it. :whatgives

[WandererInGray]

I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!


I couln't agree more, I can't understand why someone would want to wear something that implies how easy they might be.


I can't even begin to express how disgusted I am by these two posts. :blech: As much as we may not like/approve of what a person wears, it in no way absolves the perpetrator of crimes like rape from their OWN decision to force a woman to have sex.

I don't care if a person is walking down the street naked, it does not equal a sign saying "you are all free to use and abuse me as you see fit."

[Phoenix Blue]

I have a co-worker who came in the other day wearing a tee-shirt which
has a horizontal dotted line at the navel level, bearing the legend:
-Children must be THIS tall to ride.-
Disgusting. Needless to say, he was sent home by management.
Permanently, I hope?

[moonchild]

we're a big fan of the Aussie T shop, altho they have been bought out and are under another name.... http://store.advantage123.com/advantage123/

my hubby has one that says "trample the weak, hurdle the dead"
i have a NIN tee that says, " i tried to save my self but myself kept slipping away"
I love hot topics "ha! you can't see me!" white lettering on Camo print....

I use to wear a tee with grimm from mother goose and grimm comic in a rain suit that said, don't forget your rubbers!...don't know how i got away with that one :)

most of ours are clean funny, like hubby's "brush with death" that shows a human brushing his teeth with the grim reaper...

we also just got 2 foamy tees...i'm not allowed to wear the "everyone needs more medication one....and SO's not allowed to wear it into my office (the downfalls of working at a mental health clinic...)

there is a few at hot topic that i want but i don't know if i can get away with (work or public...small community) they have a great message but are on the dark side....

[Isil Darkmoon]

I can't even begin to express how disgusted I am by these two posts. :blech: As much as we may not like/approve of what a person wears, it in no way absolves the perpetrator of crimes like rape from their OWN decision to force a woman to have sex.

I don't care if a person is walking down the street naked, it does not equal a sign saying "you are all free to use and abuse me as you see fit."

Exactly. Now, a girl who wears really tight, low-cut shirts with provocative comments cross the chest and then COMPLAINS that "guys are staring at her/guys are hitting on her" really brings THAT upon herself, in my opinion. But the moment someone decides to TOUCH or do any more than stare/make stupid comments, it becomes the agressor's mistake and is entirely unacceptable.

[Flar's Freyja]

Call me a prude....but I make it a point to never allow my 11yo daughter to wear shorts or pants with words written on her butt. Quite frankly, I don't want people staring at her rear trying to read it.....it just seems kinda sick to me.

I agree completely, and it baffles me that some of the holier than thous here in the bible belt allow it, along with jeans that look like they're painted on.

I don't care much for the direction that sexuality is taking for our young people. Call me a a prude......but I don't understand why beautiful, incredibly talented young women such as Brittney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Little Kim, etc. feel they have to act like porn stars to sell their music. This conveys a very negative message to young women, who are already struggling with self-esteem issues caused by the media's portrayal of beauty as thin. I'll have to check in as to whether eating disorders and teenage pregnancies have significantly increased in the past five years.

[Flar's Freyja]

I can't even begin to express how disgusted I am by these two posts. :blech: As much as we may not like/approve of what a person wears, it in no way absolves the perpetrator of crimes like rape from their OWN decision to force a woman to have sex.

I don't care if a person is walking down the street naked, it does not equal a sign saying "you are all free to use and abuse me as you see fit."

I just saw this post -

While I agree completely with what you are saying, the permissive message that the clothing conveys could increase the danger. Perpetrators and their lawyers love to say that "she was asking for it" and this helps them justify it.

I am not putting the blame on the victim, but wearing this type of clothing might increase the likelihood of attack from certain types of perpetrators.

[FlyingBear]

A few years ago, Abercrombie & Fitch started selling thongs to girls as young as 7 with things like " Wink wink" and " Eye candy" on them, stating that while 7 might be to young by the time these girls are 10 they'll care about what kind of underwear they have.

Sick.

[Dextra]

A few years ago, Abercrombie & Fitch started selling thongs to girls as young as 7 with things like " Wink wink" and " Eye candy" on them, stating that while 7 might be to young by the time these girls are 10 they'll care about what kind of underwear they have.

Sick.

That is sick. There is no way I would let my daughters wear a thong at that age. Once they're old enough to buy their own underwear, maybe (they'll most likely be grown anyway).

I don't wear much with slogans on them. No pants at ALL. (My butt is big enough, the last thing I need is to use it as a billboard.) I have a few shirts, like my Death one that I'm wearing now (I've had it for 10 years). It says: "You get what anyone gets...you get a lifetime"

I've also got a glow in the dark Patrick from Spongebob Squarepants shirt that says "I know a lot about head injuries" and just a plain blue shirt that says "Freedom of Expression: If you don't like it, don't look!"

[ArKane]

Excatly what I meant Freyja.


Exactly. Now, a girl who wears really tight, low-cut shirts with provocative comments cross the chest and then COMPLAINS that "guys are staring at her/guys are hitting on her" really brings THAT upon herself, in my opinion.

The outfit does not help. Kids go around wearing these things and wonder why? do people stare at them or why? do they get raped? Because to a rapist a T- Shirt with the slogan "My boyfriend is out of town.." or "I can be *very* friendly" is an open invitiation that these people are easy targets.

[asamananara]

Advertising serves only one function... to sell a product.
There are plenty of buyers out there.

[Phoenix Blue]

Because to a rapist a T- Shirt with the slogan "My boyfriend is out of town.." or "I can be *very* friendly" is an open invitiation that these people are easy targets.

I call bullshit. This is insulting to women who've actually been raped.

Most rapes are date rapes, or are part of a domestic abuse situation, ie., a man raping his own wife. Further, all rapes are about power, not sex. If rape were about sexual attraction, heterosexual men would not rape other men or boys.


I am not putting the blame on the victim, but wearing this type of clothing might increase the likelihood of attack from certain types of perpetrators.

I really don't think a woman should have to base her wardrobe on whether it might get her sexually assaulted. That's simply unrealistic. . . and as someone else said, rape is not the victim's fault, no matter what she's wearing.

[Aidron]

Permanently, I hope?


Permanently and then some. That "Children must be this tall to ride" shirt is just plain frightening.

As for the whole "girls who wear these clothes and then complain about being raped" fiasco, it's a touchy subject. No matter what you do, you have the right to say no at any time and do or not do what you wish with your body. However, these girls who wear clothing that even Las Vegas hookers would cringe over annoy me to pieces when they start complaining about how guys undress them with their eyes or are constantly making lewd comments. Ya know what, take the "SLAP THIS!" off your bum and pull your shirt up a bit so your boobs are not practically busting out, then we'll talk.

In turn, I also have to agree with PB's latest post. Rape is about power 99% of the time and about sex 1% of the time. Sexually suggestive clothings do not increase your chances. Walking alone down a dark street does, and franky, the rapist won't care what you are wearing. Most rapes, however, are domestic or not as 'violent' as Lifetime makes out in that they are typically date rape situations, not the "kidnap the woman and take her off to some cottage where I'll use her body for my own purposes". That does happen mind you, it's just not the most common way it occurs.

And lastly, I'm not basing my wardrobe on safety. I'm basing it on my preferences, and should anyone else base their wardrobe on safety, seek counseling. Something very traumatic has either happened to you or you are overly paranoid. Your clothing should not be adorned with safety in mind, except in cases where you shouldn't wear high heels while rock climbing, and other obviously poor safety choices. :lol:

[ArKane]

Oh..I do like you. I didn't mean anything by the posts sorry. I was refering to the people who rape others and there excuse is "Well she asked for it!" It isn't the victims fault AT ALL but your more likly to be a victim if you are wearing a tube top and high heels with a short mini skirt and a thong like some kids do.

[mol]

I can't even begin to express how disgusted I am by these two posts. :blech: As much as we may not like/approve of what a person wears, it in no way absolves the perpetrator of crimes like rape from their OWN decision to force a woman to have sex.

I don't care if a person is walking down the street naked, it does not equal a sign saying "you are all free to use and abuse me as you see fit."
Thank you!

[Aidron]

*adorns a sign that reads "You are all free to use me at your discretion" just to give the thread its light-hearted humor back* :D

[becky1104]

I have to agree with the thing about girls clothig. I have a three year old daughter, and when I go to the store to buy her clothes, it seems more and more that the selection is becoming more revealing everytime I go, I have asked my husband a million times why some moms want to dress there little girls up as hoochimammas! I just have to say to manufacturers, let little ones be little ones, they grow up fast enough!!!

[WandererInGray]

*adorns a sign that reads "You are all free to use me at your discretion" just to give the thread its light-hearted humor back* :D
*giggles and proceeds to use Raven to mow her front lawn*

[Athena-Nadine]

Oh..I do like you. I didn't mean anything by the posts sorry. I was refering to the people who rape others and there excuse is "Well she asked for it!" It isn't the victims fault AT ALL but your more likly to be a victim if you are wearing a tube top and high heels with a short mini skirt and a thong like some kids do.
This is a gross misconception, and the way it is being thrown around makes this rape survivor want to vomit (you knew I'd end up in here as soon as I saw the initial post, PB).

Let's see if I can make this clear for you:

Between 85 and 90% of women raped are raped by people they know.

It is a proven fact that colthing has absolutely NOTHING to do with being raped. In fact, the majority of women raped are not wearing anything "suggestive" at the time. :rolleyes:

Most women who get raped ARE NOT WEARING SUGGESTIVE CLOTHING, so your theory holds no water

And finally...

The perpetuation of the stereotypes that are flying around here are the very thing that causes the MAJORITY of rape victims to feel that they cannot report the horrible violation they have been through. It is this very reason that rape victims spend YEARS AND YEARS having to learn to believe that what happened WAS NOT THEIR FAULT.

I do not care if the 1-2% of potential rapists might be enticed into committing their crime upon a woman just because ofthe clothing she is wearing. I will not conform my dress to appease them or the masses that perpetuate this nonsense Nor should I have to.

[Crystal_Raye]

Has anyone noticed that girls wear their clothes too small and guys wear them too big?

Either ways it's disgusting to see someone's thongs or crack evertime they bend over. And then you have the heavier people (no offense to ANYONE) who try to fit themselves into these tiny little jeans and shirts. Comical and sickening at the same time.

[Crystal_Raye]

This is a gross misconception, and the way it is being thrown around makes this rape survivor want to vomit (you knew I'd end up in here as soon as I saw the initial post, PB).

Let's see if I can make this clear for you:

Between 85 and 90% of women raped are raped by people they know.

It is a proven fact that colthing has absolutely NOTHING to do with being raped. In fact, the majority of women raped are not wearing anything "suggestive" at the time. :rolleyes:

Most women who get raped ARE NOT WEARING SUGGESTIVE CLOTHING, so your theory holds no water

And finally...

The perpetuation of the stereotypes that are flying around here are the very thing that causes the MAJORITY of rape victims to feel that they cannot report the horrible violation they have been through. It is this very reason that rape victims spend YEARS AND YEARS having to learn to believe that what happened WAS NOT THEIR FAULT.

I do not care if the 1-2% of potential rapists might be enticed into committing their crime upon a woman just because ofthe clothing she is wearing. I will not conform my dress to appease them or the masses that perpetuate this nonsense Nor should I have to.

Yeah I'm sure its all true about the clothing having nothing to do with girls and women being raped but think about it, almost all raptists are MEN (no offense to all you well behaved guys out there). So is a guy going to go for the girl wearing a large T-shirt and pants which don't show much of her body or is he going to go for the girl with the tight jeans, tiny tubetop, and breasts bulging out?

[Athena-Nadine]

Yeah I'm sure its all true about the clothing having nothing to do with girls and women being raped but think about it, almost all raptists are MEN (no offense to all you well behaved guys out there). So is a guy going to go for the girl wearing a large T-shirt and pants which don't show much of her body or is he going to go for the girl with the tight jeans, tiny tubetop, and breasts bulging out?From: Patterns of Behavior in Adolescent Rape, by Vinogradov et al. in the
American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 58(2) April 1988 pp 179-87:

71% of the rapists were under the influence of drugs (inc. alcohol).
15% reported taking drugs less than 15 minutes prior to the rape.
21% premeditated the rape.
27% committed the rape while committing another crime.
16% were impulsive/spontaneous, "the victim was simply an easy
available 'innocent bystander'".
7% were committed after an argument with the victim.
6% after sexual foreplay with the victim.

89% of the rapists described the victims as not being provocative,
"The victims did not verbally provoke nor were sexually
attractive to the attacker".

[Autumn]

It kind of seems like the clothing has a huge effect on how women are veiwed by others. and our culture is going through a period of generalized courseness. Objectifying clothing for women, Howard Stern, becoming amazingly upset over a "wardrobe malfunction" very explicit lyrics that make that wardrobe malfuntion look minor.

By rights I should be able to wear what I damn well please and mostly I do. I think those t-shirts look trashy and would not wear or buy them and I wonder why women do.

The big issue culturally is what forms my definition of "trashy" What forms yours? do you know where it came from? can you define it?

In my case classy vs trashy is likely going to hinge on attitude...is the whole attitude confident or not? Is it a grown woman or a pre-pubecent girl wearing those short shorts and tight top?

[blugirrl1]

just reminds me of the day i was at work in new orleans, spilled something all over my shirt. so i had to grab one off the rack. me big boobed, so i had a small selection to deal with. ended up with the touristy one that said f#%$* you all over it. not my personal style, but it was just a quick fix. then my boss sent me to the bank. some chick riding by took big offense and started whooping and hollering at me. i thought it was too funny. nothing i would buy for myself , yet it got a big reaction out of her.
i don't really wear clothing with stuff everywhere. except for lil' dancing bears. ;) and as a parent over my dead body would i let my lil girl dress like what is becoming the norm.

[CelestiaSynth]

I'm 19, and I never wear clothes with those ridiculous logos and supposedly clever phrases on them. Sometimes, there's an exception and it's cute, but most of the time, it's crap.
I have a feeling most girls wouldn't wear them unless they felt they had to in order to look stylish. But it's predictable. It's sad enough when you need your tee-shirt to explain what you think you are ( i.e. the "Diva", "Rebel" and "Princess" logos ), but when it explains how
happy you are to have sex with strangers, just stop already.

[blueiris]

"I got an A+ in French"
And of course, "bootylicious" on the butt.
"Baseball Club - I Got Past Third Base!"
"I'm Hot" (subtle, eh?)
"Steamy and Hot"
"Co-Ed Nurse Clinic"
"Get Shucked"
etc.
It's digusting, I think. How these parents let their kids walk out of the house looking like that, with tight low cut shorts, tight pants, thongs sticking out, and revealing it all...*shudder*

[tallulah]

Thank you Nallia! It's still hard for me to admit that my rape wasn't my fault, and I was in fourth grade, not exactly the most attractive target. I believe most of my wardrobe then revolved around huge t-shirts, boot-cut jeans, and sweatshirts.

I dress slightly better than that now ;) but most of my wardrobe consists of my flared jeans that I love and t-shirts, with the occasionally mini or nicer shirt thrown in. I hate the vulgar sayings on a lot of t-shirts now, but I love most of the shirts at Hot Topic. Favorites:

You are SO off my buddy list! (in AIM font)
One by one the penguins steal my sanity...
I wish I could Ctrl-Alt-Del you!
Invade Canada! (with a pic of a maple leaf, my current bf's canadian)

[morrigen]

This is a gross misconception, and the way it is being thrown around makes this rape survivor want to vomit (you knew I'd end up in here as soon as I saw the initial post, PB).

Let's see if I can make this clear for you:

Between 85 and 90% of women raped are raped by people they know.

It is a proven fact that colthing has absolutely NOTHING to do with being raped. In fact, the majority of women raped are not wearing anything "suggestive" at the time. :rolleyes:

Most women who get raped ARE NOT WEARING SUGGESTIVE CLOTHING, so your theory holds no water

And finally...

The perpetuation of the stereotypes that are flying around here are the very thing that causes the MAJORITY of rape victims to feel that they cannot report the horrible violation they have been through. It is this very reason that rape victims spend YEARS AND YEARS having to learn to believe that what happened WAS NOT THEIR FAULT.

I do not care if the 1-2% of potential rapists might be enticed into committing their crime upon a woman just because ofthe clothing she is wearing. I will not conform my dress to appease them or the masses that perpetuate this nonsense Nor should I have to.


I couldn't say it better than Nallia did here...

I'm the first to say, I detest today's fashions...I think they're ugly....but...this whole "she asked for it" mentality disgusts me...I don't care what someone is wearing ...if they are raped, it is usually because of some twisted need for power and control in the mind of the perpetrator...it has nothing to do with the victim's clothing...

The fact that this outmoded, patriarchal attitude is being spouted by today's generation saddens me to the point of tears....I have to wonder how far we *haven't* come...

[morrigen]

your more likly to be a victim if you are wearing a tube top and high heels with a short mini skirt and a thong like some kids do.


No. No, you're not.

Rape is *not* about this at all.

If you want to approach tthis subject with a base of knowledge to start from...try reading "Against our Will" by Susan Brownmiller...it explains how rape is used as a method of control, dominance and subjugation, either between individuals or in society as a whole.

It is always a good idea to uderstand the basic principles of what one is discussing before one discusses it....

[Vanessa TPD]

I don't care if a person is walking down the street naked, it does not equal a sign saying "you are all free to use and abuse me as you see fit."

The sad part is, some of the shirts ARE signs like these. They're funny, but they should stay in the closet as a souvenir. And stocking them in the juniors' and childrens' sections - which is where they're mostly found - is completely inappropriate.

That having been said, don't even THINK that wearing an oversized t-shirt and straight-legged jeans to school will prevent your being sexually harassed (and/or raped). I should know.

[Klucky]

You are what you wear.

I guess that's all I have to contribute.

-Klucky

[Vanessa TPD]

You are what you wear.

I guess that's all I have to contribute.

-Klucky

Darn it. I'm too old, wearing out, and/or ill-fitting, and I need to be replaced. :)

[Klucky]

Darn it. I'm too old, wearing out, and/or ill-fitting, and I need to be replaced. :)

Don't worry, I'm depressing and...black. :eyebrow:

-Klucky

[ArKane]

This is not going the way I planned. Sigh. My point is not getting across but OH wells...I dont want this turning into a snark fest because I'm to full from breay this morning.

Lets all have cake then.

[Raihn]

This is not going the way I planned. Sigh. My point is not getting across but OH wells...I dont want this turning into a snark fest because I'm to full from breay this morning.

Lets all have cake then.

*Scratches my head* Is it just me, or have a lot of threads like these ended up in a dispute over the aspect of sexual abuse recently?

...Ooo...and count me in for cake. I bring snack foods!

[Chibi-Fallon]

The worst T-shirt I've ever seen was for a guy
"I have a dick so I make the rules"
Why not just ask never to get laid by any chick *ever*.

Anyways, I don't think these girls shirts or whatever cause rape, but sexual harassment, yes.
I can wear stuff like that (and I generally don’t do the whole sayings thing, more the revealing clothing 8O ) and I don't even notice it anymore.
The purple hair draws the same attention all on it's own. Except for this one time a guy in a Tool T-shirt stared honest to God open mouthed at my chest as I walked through the mall. And this was just a normal tank top. Something I wear all the time.
Guys are just guys. Normal guys don’t rape women. They do however stare at their boobs. And if you’re wearing a shirt that’s drawing attention to them, more so. A percent of the blame falls on everyone the amount varying from situation to situation.

[ArKane]

Do you want to drinks with that cake?

[Raihn]

How about everyone just wears a giant paper bag. Or barrel.

Or, you know what? Everyone should just drape a bed sheet over themselves, poke out eyeholes, and walk around never actually being able to tell the difference between who is male or female. Agreed? Agreed.

Yay, cake time!

[Chibi-Fallon]

But then what would be do for Halloween?

[Raihn]

...Well...on Halloween, everyone dresses up like giant cookies. And then we dance. All things solved.

[SilverPheonix]

I'm glad someone finally mentioned the A&F little kid thong thing... that's just disgusting. And the stuff written on people's butts? What's the point. My hubby and I are pregnant with our first and whenever we go out, more than once we see girls and go "promise me Vivi will never go out in public like that?" We were just brousing the girl's clothes section for stuff for his little 6 yr old girl, and found maybe one pair of shorts and a shirt that weren't teny tiny and without something vulgar written on them. This just proves my point that everyone needs to buy a sewing machine and make their own clothes!
BTW- Someone mentioned Howard Stern and the "Wardrobe Malfunction". I remember reading "Get Fuzzy" and they were all watchign the news and the malfunction was brought up again and how people were upset by it. And (I think it was) Bucky who mentioned people must be upset because of the violence, ripping her clothes off, and the owner said no, it was because of her nipple coming out, and bucky asks why that upset people and that his nipples show and no one cares, and the owner goes "yeah, why aren't people more upset at the violence?" Just my $.02 though!

[Klucky]

I don't know if this is completely off topic, but a cousin of mine had a child a while back. The first sentence she taught her was "I sexy". Everybody thought it was adorable as hell. I wanted to kill someone.

-Klucky

[Kalika]

Yikes!

I can see how it would be cute... but that is also kinda scary.

I have T-shirts and tank tops with writing on them... some suggestive, some not so much. But I'm also 22, so I actually know what it means. :)

I see a lot of little girls (by little I mean 11-14) that have shirts with some of the same saying on them... and I just want to go up and say "Do you know what your shirt means?"

I also have pants with writing on the butt, but I don't wear them in public, just at home. They're jammy pants....

[kewlhippiechick]

Share them so we can be scared together.

-Klucky
My hubby has a T-shirt that says 'Porn stars taste good'! I did not buy it for him. Just to set the record straight...

[ArKane]

22 is fine for obvious reasons..but 10, 11, 12 is not.


Or, you know what? Everyone should just drape a bed sheet over themselves, poke out eyeholes, and walk around never actually being able to tell the difference between who is male or female. Agreed? Agreed.

Would cut down on a lot of crime. If everyone dressed up as cokies then everyone would try and eat each other.

[Raihn]

Would cut down on a lot of crime. If everyone dressed up as cokies then everyone would try and eat each other.

...Can you imagine the pick up lines for the cookie costume idea? "Hey there...nice chips." :lol: Perhaps it would cause more problems than solutions. :hehehehe:

[Klucky]

My hubby has a T-shirt that says 'Porn stars taste good'! I did not buy it for him. Just to set the record straight...

Suuuuuuuuure.

-Klucky

[Kalika]

...Can you imagine the pick up lines for the cookie costume idea? "Hey there...nice chips." :lol: Perhaps it would cause more problems than solutions. :hehehehe:

:lol:

[Xentor]

Although I too disagree with the provocativeness of today's children's clothing, I think fashion is going to change soon enough.

Fashion is a matter of cycle. It continuously balances between over the top and pushing up daisies. We're somewhere near the top right now.

[MoonDust]

Call me a prude....but I make it a point to never allow my 11yo daughter to wear shorts or pants with words written on her butt. Quite frankly, I don't want people staring at her rear trying to read it.....it just seems kinda sick to me.
if you're a prude then so am I. that stuff just wouldn't fly with me. No matter the type of clothing out there, my sister(12 yrs) has very specific rules as to what she can and can not wear. And thankfully she agrees with them. So far she hasn't seemed intersted in the bear your belly tees and her butt is to remained covered. there's no way I'm ok with the expose 1/2 your cheek when you take a step.

[Kalika]

if you're a prude then so am I. that stuff just wouldn't fly with me. No matter the type of clothing out there, my sister(12 yrs) has very specific rules as to what she can and can not wear. And thankfully she agrees with them. So far she hasn't seemed intersted in the bear your belly tees and her butt is to remained covered. there's no way I'm ok with the expose 1/2 your cheek when you take a step.

I agree that your cheeks (and I don't mean the ones you have on your face!!) shouldn't be hanging out, at ANY point. Sit down, stand up, walk, etc. I don't want to see that... ick.

But... I wear midriff-bearing shirts, where appropriate. Such as, to clubs, during the summer time, etc. Not to work, not to school, not to anything or any place that it would be inappropriate to the dress code. Some people can pull it off. I happen to think I'm one of them, 'cause I have a nice tummy. :lol: But I agree, that its something that is up to the discretion of the person or the parent, depending on the age. 12 year old girls don't need to be dressing provacatively. I think 16 is young enough. And even that's up for debate. Not everyone is mature enough to dress the part, and that's exactly what it is. I'd have the same opinion if someone went full out goth, but couldn't handle people ogling or making cracks about it. If you can't handle the backlash, don't do it.

And Xentor's right. Look at the "fashion" trends over the past 10 or even 5 years. It changes dramatically over even such a short period of time. As with the trends that have come before, I'm sure this is just that... a trend. It'll go, in time. And something new will come along, which may be better, and may be worse. :)

Best thing to do, in my opinion, is dress how you're comfortable. And don't try to be something you aren't. :) If people like todays fashions, and are comfortable wearing them, and it looks good - why not? Within reason. There are things for young girls that AREN'T provacative, and are fashionable just the same. You just have to look a little closer, a little harder, and you'll find it. Schools have dress codes, as do other activities and places that allow teens and pre-teens in. If they don't follow the code, they don't get to go. If they have to learn the hard way - they'll still learn, or they'll miss out on a lot of fun.

And this thread is WAY off topic now.

How about this? I bought a shirt that says "Scorpio" today... and has a cute little saying on the back. :D :lol:

[Xeen]

[Shameless 17yr old old fashioned prude] But...

I'm Snooty, Cuz I've Got Nice Booty.
Sex Sells! And I'm A Best Seller.
If You Think I'm Cute, Wait Until I'm Naked.
Backseat Rider
Playful In Bed
My boyfriend is out of town

I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!

I didn't read beyond this post (I'm lazy! GImme a break!), but I agree with this. Whenever I see some stupid girl get oogled because of something she's wearing, and then she gets all pissed at the oogler, I have to laugh. If you don't want to be oogled, DON'T WEAR CLOTHES THAT WILL GET YOU OOGLED!

It's common sense to me, but maybe not to some other people out there.

90% of the time I wear baggy clothes. Mostly because it's comfortable, also because I don't want to attract any sort of attention at all.

It's like... some women today are so... stupid and confused. They want to wear this dinky little t shirt, go bounce around in it, so they look cute, hot sexy, etc, but then they get upset if they get oogled in some manner.

Jeez, get a life.

Anyway, I really hate the clothes that says all that stuff. The only one I really liked was the shirt that says, across the chest "I'm up here" with an arrow pointing to the girl's head.

[MoonDust]

Yup. I agree. The belly showing thing is age and attitude dependant. I’m 23 and would love to be able to show my belly one in a while. But I know I shouldn’t because of my body type. My sister is 19 and is gorgeous. She’s got a killer bod. She looks beautiful in belly tees. Not slutty at all. I think it has a lot to do with her attitude, the way she carries herself and the fact that she’s not combining a belly tee with a micro mini. It’s always a belly tee and jeans.
The baby in the family is 12. She’s not going to be wearing on for a while. She needs to be able to understand her body, what types of reactions she’s going to get when wearing certain clothing, and what to do when she gets those reactions before she’s okayed for baby tees & belly tops.
Thankfully she’s getting in to the punk thing so all I have to worry about is blue hair and mesh sweaters over tank tops. I can handle that.

[Laurelei]

I have to agree that having provocative writing across your chest/behind is wrong, but there is a difference between dressing for yourself and dressing for other people.

I'm (almost) 14. I won't go out like a total slut, but I do like to make myself look nice. By nice, I mean I've got quite a good figure and it's something to be proud of in an age where many people are overweight. I like wearing tight tees and such. If I get oogled, I really don't care as long as people keep their hands to themselves (and they do).

I think most of it is down to the way these kids act. I'm known as an extremely confident and laid-back person, and I think people pick up on that and realise I'm not an easy ride. These people who go round dressed like hookers, however, behave like they're desperate and lacking in self-confidence, and are more likely to get hit on.

Just my 2 Easter egg peices :).

[Kalika]

Yup. I agree. The belly showing thing is age and attitude dependant. I’m 23 and would love to be able to show my belly one in a while. But I know I shouldn’t because of my body type. My sister is 19 and is gorgeous. She’s got a killer bod. She looks beautiful in belly tees. Not slutty at all. I think it has a lot to do with her attitude, the way she carries herself and the fact that she’s not combining a belly tee with a micro mini. It’s always a belly tee and jeans.
The baby in the family is 12. She’s not going to be wearing on for a while. She needs to be able to understand her body, what types of reactions she’s going to get when wearing certain clothing, and what to do when she gets those reactions before she’s okayed for baby tees & belly tops.
Thankfully she’s getting in to the punk thing so all I have to worry about is blue hair and mesh sweaters over tank tops. I can handle that.
:lol: NOW I'm picturing a 12 year old girl with a blue mohawk, chainmail-type shirt over a black tee... combat boots... oh gee. :D

Laurelei, I agree, that it has alot to do with how you act. :) But I guarantee, a woman who radiates confidence is going to attract attention no matter WHAT she's wearing. ;)

[ArKane]

bear your belly tees and her butt is to remained covered. there's no way I'm ok with the expose 1/2 your cheek when you take a step.

Not to mention the skirts, that have to be pulled down with every step.


NOW I'm picturing a 12 year old girl with a blue mohawk, chainmail-type shirt over a black tee... combat boots... oh gee

Oh gee...does she have to be 12? Make her 6 -7 years older will you? Your turning me on :lol: and it isn't a good feeling to be turned on be a 12 year old. -shudder - :sick:

[MoonDust]

what it that my baby sis you're thinking about! *protective big sister mode turned on*

[ArKane]

*whimper*

Dont slap me. Sigh. Guess I'll have to wait a few more years then?

[MoonDust]

that would be best yes. :D

[CryssieWillow]

Today's fashion is truly lauhgable here in Holland. I don't exactly know what it is like in the US, but I think it won't be much different. Ridicilous pointed boots for starters. Well, you don't wanna know, i think.. I get acused often by such girls, of having too much imagination and looking like a complete idiot. (I wear stylisch dresses and skirts, Combining Gothic with historial, fantasy and celtic looks)
Well, but I think those girls should be allowed to dress in their clownlike manner just like I am allowed to dress to my own likings. People should leave each other alone....

[MoonDust]

right. If you're an adult.
If you're a minor however it is the parents responcibility to make sure that certain major areas are covered so there aren't any nasty pervs staring at young 10 years olds and getting nasty thoughts.

If you're an onlder teen obviously the parent doesn't have the same amount of control as they did before, but it's still their respocibility to teach their children about respect for their bodies and how to handle themselves in certain situation that might arise if they're walking down the street in a mini and some nasty old man starts bothering them. And to let them know that it probably will happen if they chose to wear that mini.

[Pesha]

I remember the clothes we had in the 60's. I was a teen then. It was ridiculous now that I look back on it. All the tie dye and flowers and the patterns with marijuana on it in so many forms. Oh lawdy I looked at an old pic of myself then and well.........sheesh!! All I understand about today is that bling bling is jewlery. Oh I am soooooooooooo old!

BB
DS.

[LadyTrinity]

Oh yeah! For sure. You can go into the teen /pre teen section at Wal-Mart and find more sexy clothes for them than you can for us gals over 18! It's insane. However its due to image. Girls feel the need to compare them selves with artists like Britney, Hilary duff and etc.. they wear them kinda clothes its only natural for the young ones to want to also. We never had clothes like that.. at the time they were just coming out with low rise jeans! That was sexy at that point lol. Now shirts come with like missing sleeves lol. :goodgrief:
Its a wrong message for the media to give to the young ones. But its the young ones who dont realize that those artists are old enough to wear those kinda clothes.. not at 10 11 years.

[Klucky]

This is somewhat off topic, but you know what really cracks me up? Those pants that look like you sat in bleach, are all wrinkled, have already ripped holes, etc. I mean, those styles are worth a pretty penny, yet you could make them yourself in a second. Yet, they buy them just for the Ambercrombie tag...

About a year ago, when I was a freshmen and my brother was a senior, we were walking down the hall together and a guy stopped us. He pointed to my brother's homemade pants and said, "Wow! Are those the new (insert name here) pants?! Those are, like, so expensive!" My brother just smiled at him and said, "I made these myself." :lol: What's even funnier is neither of us knew that they were the hip new style. My brother had just randomly decided to sew on patches one night to cover up some holes.

-Klucky

[Immrama]

Girls clothing is disgusting today. Some of the thigns they wear and think are cute I would expect to see on someone that walked the streets. It's didstracting, disrespectful to themselves and their bodies, and paints a not so flattering image of their morals, beliefs and behaviors. It boggles my mind that they can wear clothings with inappropriate phrases and with their you knows hanging out their shirt and their fannys hanging out their pants. What boggles my mind more is that the schools are allowing this even though it is CLEARLY against the school dress code. Frankly, I am in support of bringing unifirms back to public school. Extreme? Yes. but then again there is a perfectly good dress code that no one seems to want to bother enforcing. So what other alternatives are there? I would rather wear a unoform *flashback to catholic school girl days* then be forced to look at some girls boobs or panties while I am sitting in class

[ArKane]

Over here every single school has uniforms. I spent 12 years of my life in uniform and no one every bitched. It saves so much on everything. Money, time getting dressed and there is no fear factor that someone is going to laugh at your clothes because they are wearing exactly the same thing.


It boggles my mind that they can wear clothings with inappropriate phrases and with their you knows hanging out their shirt and their fannys hanging out their pants.

Err...crotchless jeans? There making those now?

[MoonDust]

nope but you've got those nice low-rise jeans that give you that pretty pretty butt cleavage. :wtf:

[morrigen]

Err...crotchless jeans? There making those now?

I think in America, when they say fanny, they mean butt, whhereas here iin Aus, we mean...er...the front bit.....:D

[arienh]

:strike: I know that this part of the thead has been let lie but as it stirred up some powerful emotions in me I feel I have to add my 2 cents. I found it quite shocking and disappointing that people on this community would say the equivalent of 'she shouldn't wonder why she was raped, look at what she was wearing.' Nobody deserves to be raped. Whatever an individiual may be wearing at the time of such a violent crime has no significance whatsoever.

[ArKane]

I think in America, when they say fanny, they mean butt, whhereas here iin Aus, we mean...er...the front bit.....

Thanks. The Nanny theme song suddenly makes so much more sense now.

[argento_occhi]

the only slogan shirt i have says 'you're just jealous cos the little voices are talking to me'. almost forgot the other one that says 'i have mutliple personalities... and WE do not like you'.

im not crazy. really. ;)

bright blessings,
argent

[ArKane]

*snort* I should get me one of them.

[argento_occhi]

meh, i thought they suited my personality. my friend tab is the one with all the slogan shirts. if i get a chance to talk to herr tonight, i'll give you a list.

bright blessings,
argent

[MoonDust]

:strike: I know that this part of the thead has been let lie but as it stirred up some powerful emotions in me I feel I have to add my 2 cents. I found it quite shocking and disappointing that people on this community would say the equivalent of 'she shouldn't wonder why she was raped, look at what she was wearing.' Nobody deserves to be raped. Whatever an individiual may be wearing at the time of such a violent crime has no significance whatsoever.
Excuse me, where on this thread does it say anything even close to that?????
As someone who's been raped -not once, but countless times over the span of 3 years and some one who didn't even know what dressing provocatively was. I would never say something like that.
Look back at my posts. Look back over this thread. This is about young girls. Preteens & younger teens. Where it is the parents responsibility and money that decides what they wear. An adult is just that. An adult. They can decide whatever they'd like to wear AND an adult has the maturity/security/knowledge/whatever to know how to handle unwanted advances (note the word advances. since that is what we're talking about NOT rape. Rape has no excuse.)
Even older teenagers have this knowledge or will soon enough. so they can decided how they're going to dress.

What started this thread is:
1. the fact that there are shirts and pants with provocative slogans splashed across the chest and bottoms of young girls.
Klucky:
The other day, I had noticed so many girls in my high school wearing shirts and pants with words and phrases written on them. Okay, I've noticed this tons of times before, but there were a lot the other day. Here are the ones I remember.

"Free Milk!" (shirt)
"Bling Bling" (seat of pants)
"Champ" (seat of pants)
"Baby Phat" (seat of pants)
"Hot Cocoa Factory" (shirt)
Raven WindSong:
"Tug them and I'll smile" (shirt)
"All the boys stare at them" (shirt)
"Hot stuff" (pants)
"You know you want me" (shirt, though this sounds like something I'd probably wear )
"Hands off! Face on!" (shirt)

2. The question of buying such a thing for your young daughter (who’s going through some MAJOR body changes and is just trying to understand it all)
Faeawyn:
Call me a prude....but I make it a point to never allow my 11yo daughter to wear shorts or pants with words written on her butt. Quite frankly, I don't want people staring at her rear trying to read it.....it just seems kinda sick to me.


3. Worrying about these slogans being misinterpreted by some nasty old man trying to take advantage of a young girl.


This is what I’m seeing on this thread. If I’m mistaken then please point out the posts that support your statement.

[Klucky]

Yes, I have to agree. I don't see anything saying that people deserve to be raped. Maybe it was just misinterpreted?

-Klucky

[Nitefalle]

You are what you wear.

I guess that's all I have to contribute.

-Klucky

Oooh, I'm comfy yet stylish :D

~N~

[morrigen]

Thanks. The Nanny theme song suddenly makes so much more sense now.

*Nearly spits tea over keyboard"

That's doing daytime re-runs at the moment...I remember the song....:lol:

[banondraig]

I think in America, when they say fanny, they mean butt, whhereas here iin Aus, we mean...er...the front bit.....:D

yep, that's the american meaning of "fanny". i never heard about the varying connotations of that word. you learn something every day . . .

to get back on-topic, girls' clothes have been pretty bad, imo, for some years now. so it's time for the trend to reverse itself. unfortunately it shows no signs of doing so.

[Lamian]

and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!
__________________


I think this may be the statement meant in the above post. I don't think it was meant that its ok for the to be raped but you should not put temptation in the heratics path.

[WandererInGray]

Excuse me, where on this thread does it say anything even close to that?????

MoonDust....it was right there on the first page, Post #7.

Originally Posted by Twisted_Arcane
I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!

Seems pretty cut and dried to me. I've got no beef with the looked at part, but I'll say again, temptation whatever, rape is not about looks, it's about power and to try to say that what a girl is wearing seals her fate is BS.

[MoonDust]

ah... did not see that. Thank you for pointing it out. However, I do think it was meant the way Lamian stated. The wording could have been thought over. I don't think rape is ever excusable. Nor do I think anyone here thinks it is.

[arienh]

The supporting post for my statement (post #7) was kindly pointed out by Wanderer In Gray.

The statement “and these girls wonder why they get raped” implies that girls who wear clothing as described in this thread should not wonder why they’re raped. This has the same meaning as saying girls who wear these clothes have done something to provoke it. I take issue with this statement.



I think this may be the statement meant in the above post. I don't think it was meant that its ok for the to be raped but you should not put temptation in the heratics path.


I don't think rape is ever excusable. Nor do I think anyone here thinks it is.

My post never said that anyone here claimed rape was ok. In my opinion, the statement in post #7 supported the misconception that rape victims should bear some responsibility for their attack. My post said that what a rape victim was wearing at the time of the assault has no bearing whatsoever, and no blame should be placed on them.

The issue was never whether or not people here condone rape, but the attitudes surrounding how much responsibility the victim bears. Whether or not they are in some way responsible for their rape because of what they chose to wear that day.

[Athena-Nadine]

and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!
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I think this may be the statement meant in the above post. I don't think it was meant that its ok for the to be raped but you should not put temptation in the heratics path.
*...sigh...* And I will say it again--clothing has absolutely nothing to do with being raped. This is a proven fact.

[CryssieWillow]

*agrees with Nallia*
Rapists often tend to pick the people who are the easyest victims.

About the printed shirts. They actually can be quite funny. I have one which says "Silicone free" There is no harm in that. Other nice one: "I used to be scizophrenic but we are ok now"

Girls in puberty often seek ways to express themselves in a manner to their liking. I believe the way in which they choose to express themselves has a lot to do with culture, and what the general part of the people see as acceptable. And at times they just pick the unacceptable. Whatever they feel like.
(If a girl here dresses to provocative, all here friends and all the guys think she is a whore. Maybe that's a good thing)

[MoonDust]

*...sigh...* And I will say it again--clothing has absolutely nothing to do with being raped. This is a proven fact.

The issue was never whether or not people here condone rape, but the attitudes surrounding how much responsibility the victim bears. Whether or not they are in some way responsible for their rape because of what they chose to wear that day.
As Nallia has pointed out clothing has nothing to do with rape. Rape has nothing to do with sexual urges and is more about control and violence.

The spirit of this thread is basically to express our fear/sorrow/worry/etc over the current trends with teen fashion. (That’s how I’ve been taking it)
Personally as soon as my baby sister started developing I started to worry about the possibilities of her running into some nasty perv. Maybe because of my history I don’t know. My sister even at a very young age was getting a great body. The first time I saw an older man look at my baby sis we were sitting in our car at a red light. I nearly jumped out of the car out of pure rage to think that some 30 something year old man was looking at my 10 year old baby sis.
My sister dresses modestly compared to other girls her age partly her decision and partly because she knows what the rules of dress are in our home for someone her age. Even with these rules we worry. I just don’t understand how other parents are ok with buying provocative clothing for their 12 year old daughters just because they asked for it.

I still believe that the post #7 was more about not wording it right than having the blame actually being placed on the victims or the victims clothing.

As I’ve stated before time and again. I agree that what you wear is n extension of your personality and we all are free to wear whatever we please. I have no problem with women dressing as sexy as they like as long as they are past a certain age where you know the decision was hers and she is old enough to make her own decisions as far as clothing goes.

BUT

If we’re talking about a 15-year-old girl or younger, the mom/dad/both are responsible for what she’s wearing. It is our jobs as parents to:
1. Have an open relationship
2. Make sure our daughters (and sons) are comfortable with themselves. Yes I know there will be a time where no matter how hard we try they will have body image issues, but it is our job to be the positive voice in all this.
3. Though we can love our bodies and be comfortable in them. It is not ok for a young girl of 9, 10, 11, 14 whatever to be flashing their butt cheeks in teeny shorts or their budding breasts in micro tops
4. Let them know that it’s ok to be your age and there’s no need to grow up so quickly. A ten year old should act 10 not be trying so hard to look & act 15
5. Explain that yes there is provocative clothing out there but that that clothing should be worn after a certain age.
6. Let them know that what they wear is a reflection of themselves. If they want to rebel, fine. If they want to shave ½ their head and dye the other ½ neon green all the while wearing clown clothing, fine. They are projecting a certain message to the public and if they’re ok with the message they’re projecting then go ahead. As long as they’re not naked or close enough to it.
7. NOT buy them clothing that is exposing certain parts or that is so tight it’s impossible to breathe in it. If you see it in their closet throw it out. Let them cry and throw a fit. Toss it. Keep tossing it out no matter how many times she gets a replacement.
8. There are nasty pervs out there and they need to take care. Yes I know that nothing the child wears will make a difference. But they still need to be aware and have an idea how they’re going to handle such a situation.


This thread is making me seriously reconsider having daughters.

[Raihn]

...I'm still suggesting the "drape a bed sheet over the children in public" idea...

[soilsigh aingeal]

I agree w/the bedsheet idea!!!!

[Klucky]

Hell, I'll put a bedsheet on myself!

-Klucky

[Raihn]

I'm telling ya. The clothing market won't know what hit 'em with the bed sheet craze.

[Kalika]

I'm telling ya. The clothing market won't know what hit 'em with the bed sheet craze.


Save us a lot of money too. :p

Picturing a chicken running around in a bed sheet made me laugh.... :D

[Lamian]

"I don't think it was meant that its ok for the to be raped but you should not put temptation in the heratics path." Quote Me
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Rape and abuse has nothing to do with dress, ok victorian children were abused. I do however belive children wearing provocative and tight clothing intices pervs.

"The issue was never whether or not people here condone rape, but the attitudes surrounding how much responsibility the victim bears. Whether or not they are in some way responsible for their rape because of what they chose to wear that day." Quote arienh

They are in no way responsible I know this but its the fantasys that are prevoked in the heads of pervs that worries me. We have to protect children and allow them to be children not mini adults. some guy getting kicks out of watching them could decide to snach her or snach a more easy target, I know it happens when what their wearing is normal but isn't it possible that there is an incressed risk.

"My sister even at a very young age was getting a great body. The first time I saw an older man look at my baby sis we were sitting in our car at a red light. I nearly jumped out of the car out of pure rage to think that some 30 something year old man was looking at my 10 year old baby sis.
......................... I just don’t understand how other parents are ok with buying provocative clothing for their 12 year old daughters just because they asked for it." quote Moondust.

I don't understand it either I was working and a girt of 10 or so was in she was wearing red shorts ok so far...they were a bit tight...not too bad ....they had SEXY written on the bum. WTF were her parents thinking.

My pals daughter is 13 growing fast and she has clothers more suited to an older girl but her mum only lets her were them in a safe environment ie partys with mum, school discos where she is droped off and picked up and in the house, I think this alows the girl to experiment and gain confidence but with set boundrys.

[lunawolfespryte]

... this is a good topic. i sometimes wonder, because i know they're out there, what good men think. like dads who are so in love with their wives, and are good to their kids, take his daughter out for ice cream, or showing his son how to shave... my dad let me "teach" him how to tie my shoes, and how to braid my hair. he's a very loving, honest good person, not concerned with a lot of the hype and consumerism society seems to be afflicted with these days. i wonder what he thinks, seeing all these little girls running around wearing clothes that can EASILY lead the eye(and imagination) to more private, sacred areas. he probably grasps at his heart and is thankful that his own daughters are already grown, not exposed any more to the need to fit in at school ( "o, pleeese, everybody's wearing it!") or to compete with more popular, wealthier colleagues. it's a distraction: young girls today don't know who is a good role model and who is just in the spotlight, and neither do young boys. my goddaughter and her cousin are both 7, and while my li'l addy could care less about "princess" and "angel" tee's- she'd rather play on the swingset or ride her mini-harley bike, her cousin wonders if herself is sexy. SHE'S SEVEN! the amount and kinds of media everywhere are full of sex and sexuality, little kids are exposed to it in the grocery line, at busstops, in public, anywhere all the time. it IS the parents' responsibility to instill good ethics in their children, and then after an age, it IS the childs' duty to remember and carry out those things taught out of love and experience from their parents. i have a few sexy shirts and outfits, and i look younger than i am...but i know my age, and i've earned the right(?) to wear certain things, i know how to carry myself and i know how to ward off unwanted attention from pervs and swarthy men. little girls don't yet, if at all, and they are unaware (or maybe they are, and use their innocence as an excuse) of the attention they pull toward themselves, ESPECIALLY if they are wearing provocative clothing... tho' type/print/cut/style of clothing doesn't always matter. baggy, tight... a power-hungry man (or woman, but unfortunately men have the "must conqure, must have that flower" drive more than women, or at least it is more evident in the male species) does not care about clothes, just about the "goods". it is sad, yes, that at younger and younger ages, kids are feeling like they have to grow up, and be mature, and wear clothes that are not appropriate... makes me sooo scared to have babies, and i want a girl for some reason. but there ARE kids out there who present themselves as humans and not objects, and it's refreshing.
i must confess, i have a shirt that says" giddy up" , but i wear it when i'm with my boyfriend, he loves it. and my other shirt that clearly makes a point says "cute but psycho" because i AM cute, but i can get psycho on an ass if i need to! :bigredblu

[Khaelo]

Burkas for all? :T In a way, it would be nice -- we wouldn't have to worry about being judged by others for whatever in the mere act of walking through the door. The banking industry might object, though. :rolleyes:

On topic, writing-on-the-butt is quite popular for the college crowd right now. A lot of universities sell pants and shorts (!) with their names printed across the backside. It's an odd way to show school pride, if you ask me.

More on topic, funny pants-saying spotted today, printed across the back as usual:
"Can't Touch This!"

[Raihn]

Just to through this in there, some females (and by this, I mean young women past the age of 16 who are not just simply mimicking a media trend) seem to say that clothing such as pants with cute words across the bum or on the shirt are a symbol of self confidence. *Shrugs* It's a choice.

Anywho, I've just come out with the long awaited Bedsheet Fashion magazine. Be sure to look for it on your local magazine stands. Raihn's Bed Fabric Summer Collection. It'll be hot this season. (Ooo, bad pun.)

[Tina]

[Shameless 17yr old old fashioned prude] But...

I'm Snooty, Cuz I've Got Nice Booty.
Sex Sells! And I'm A Best Seller.
If You Think I'm Cute, Wait Until I'm Naked.
Backseat Rider
Playful In Bed
My boyfriend is out of town

I hate these types of crap. Seriously a 12/13 year old wearing jeans that say "Sweethearrt" across the arse is wrong and these girls wonder why they get raped/looked at!

No matter what you choose to wear it does not mean that you should be worried about getting raped because of what you wear! I am 21 & I own some clothing that say things on them!

I have shirts that say:
Boys are great, every girl should own one!
I do whatever the voices in my head tell me too!
Princess,
Good Girls are bad Girls(that never get caught)!
Want my number dail 1 800 you wish!
Good Girl With Bad Intentions!
I'm not like most girls,
Foxy,
& I have pants that say:
Trouble &
Play girl!

Some other funny shirts I've seen are:
(in really small print) stop staring at my tits!
(in really small print) If your close enough to read this you now have sars!
Go TO Hell!
I'm not pejudice I hate everyone!
If found drunk return to(with a spot to fill in your address)!
(mens shirt) Breathlizer test blow here(arrow pointing down)!
You've been bad go to my room!

& there are more if I think of them I'll post them!

[ArKane]

Yes but 21 is ok. We're talking about 11 -12 year old kids that own them.

[DarkDancer]

Easy solution, everyone move where it is warm and....outlaw clothes. No fashion issues, no complaints about hip huggers, or people who can't find the right size. The only real problem would be people would start writing things on themselves, oh wait, they already do! It's called tattoos...;)