The way wiccans see sex!?

[Samantha]

Hi! I'm back again! well I just haven't log in a while, but here I am bothering you all agian with a question, you'll see I was raise catholic and all my friends are, so the other day we were having a conversation about how in the catholic way you are not suppose to have sex until you get married or do sexual things with yourself, you know like masturbation or so.. and I said that in the wiccan path that is not a comandment I mean if you don't hurt anyone it's okay both thing, either to have sex with someone you really want to or give pleasure to yourself, but they got really really mad, and ask me if I know that for sure, since in the thirteen goals of a with doesn't say anything about that, so that's why I'm asking... Is it wrong if I have sex with my boyfriend, is it wrong for all humans to enjoy sex by themselves?
Well, I will apreciate all the answers and the points of view.
Thanks for everything!
Sam:rolleyes:

[rantnraven]

Hi, Sam.

Sex, in the Catholic path, is for the purpose of procreation - I think anyway. There is no pleasure within thus masturbation would not serve procreation.

In your path, however, sex is a very stong tool of magick - none stronger in my belief. There is something that focuses our energies while engaged. We tend to concentrate 99% if not 100% on the body during the process. It is the release of that energy that we direct to The Mother. Procreation is fine but, let's face it, even your friends enjoy sex, I'm sure - just may not want to admit it. Peer Preasure is a very strong thing.

RnR

[Myst]

There are 13 principles and 13 goals. I don't think putting "lots of sex" as a goal would be a good thing to relate to any religion :)

There's no reason to assume that these 13 goals describe every facet of the craft at all :)

[Dria El]

Originally posted by rantnraven
Hi, Sam.

Sex, in the Catholic path, is for the purpose of procreation - I think anyway. There is no pleasure within thus masturbation would not serve procreation.

In your path, however, sex is a very stong tool of magick - none stronger in my belief. There is something that focuses our energies while engaged. We tend to concentrate 99% if not 100% on the body during the process. It is the release of that energy that we direct to The Mother. Procreation is fine but, let's face it, even your friends enjoy sex, I'm sure - just may not want to admit it. Peer Preasure is a very strong thing.

RnR

I'd tend to agree with Rant but I'd like to add that I see it as a form of worship as well. Married or not, as long as you do it with the right person for the right reasons, it's a truly beautiful thing.

[bloodstone20]

Sex as sacred. I'll only have it with someone I love, and having been dating for awhile, and even then only sparingly. If you have sex every other day, it becomes .... less of a Joyful thing and more of a chore. Sex is how babies are made, how life is brought into this world, and how people expieriance something words can't describe. If you have sex every time you can, it will loose those values ....

[SilverRain]

I think that sex is a choice that every person needs to make for themselves. It's a personal thing and no one can tell you what to do or not to do. From what i've found in general (broad generalization here) pagans don't look down upon sex the way that The Church does. but it's ultimately your choice, no one is telling you that because you are pagan you have to or you shouldn't...

SilverRain

[Andromeda]

While Pagans don't look down on Sex before marriage like Christian religions...make sure its the right choice for you. Not someone else. And always have protection because even though you might think "it won't happen to me" It might.

Blessings :)
Andromeda
(aim andromeda172)

[clef0628]

My best friend is getting married this month, both he and his wife has sex before marrage (with each other and others before they met) and are both Christian. I know, a lot of Christian that had sex before marrage. It is quiet common these days . Now, here is the funny part, I don't believe in sex before some type of life long commitment, or marrage and I'm pagan. Most people would think it would be the other way around. Though, I do have not have a problem with people who have sex before marrage it just not me. By the way, me and my Mom have had an on going bet that I'll have sex before marrage. She betting I'll have sex before marrage, I'm betting I won't and so far I'm winning.

[MystyPines]

I think sexual compatability is an important aspect of marriage, as much as any other aspect of marriage. My 31 year old brother recently married a woman who was raised in a very strict Roman Catholic family and waited until marriage before having a sexual relationship with him. One year later, they were divorced, the problem being that she told my brother that she did not want to have sex and did not like sex at all. I think it is very important for couples to at least discuss the topic of sex before marriage.

[Lucidia]

sexuality is very much tied with energy.

Using sex as a tool to gain things, or using someone sexually without their knowledge/consent is a very negative thing.

Sex itself can be a very wonderful bonding experience between two people that care about each other deeply.

I personally think that it can also serve purpose in ritual and whatnot, but i'm not wiccan and i can't speak for any sort of wiccan type choices involving this.

But on a spiritual level...

and on a religious level...

Many religions made sex out to be a bad thing, because back in those days, if a girl got pregnant (they didn't have anywhere NEAR the birth control options back then...), and she wasn't married, they guy wasn't "legally" bound to marry her and pay child support like now. The girl was stuck with a child, no father, and no one was gonna marry some unwed mother in those days.

Now the girl was considered a burden to her family. there would no marriage deal, no money from the other family, and well it was just not good back in that particular type of society.

So eventually.. it became QUITE the "sin" to have sex before marriage. It could lead to all sorts of problems... being that things worked so differently back then.

So if sex wasn't considered pleasurable anyway, people wouldn't be so interested in it? right?

well no.. so then they ended up threatening people, saying they'd be stoned if they were not a virgin on their wedding night (funny, only the women really got caught on that one...).

Any open minded person will admit that sex should be a pleasurable experience. It releases tention, and it brings those two people as close on a physical level as you can really get. It can also be a spiritual experience too, and help a couple to bond on even higher levels.

However, all the negativity that is involved with what I consider "casual" sex and the ever so famous "one night stand" make sex less sacred in the eyes of most people.

What each person chooses to do with their life is their choice. If they choose to follow a code or book or even some unwritten promise or law in order to be happy, then so be it.

But science speaks the truth. Sex is more than just for procreative means. But that doesn't mean it's "right" to sleep with everyone you possible can.

Being wreckless about sexuality can be very harmful to your body, your mind and if you believe you have one, your soul. You are not only giving the most intimate parts of your body into the 'care' of another person whom you probably dont' even know, but you are risking your health as well.

Just because something is pleasurable, doesn't mean it's bad, but you can overdo things. Being over obsessed with sex can be just as bad as using a dangerous substance like heroin or cocaine. Both of those drugs originally had medicinal uses, but people abused them, and the negativity produced by the abuse comes in the form of physical and emotional addiction, that can even kill.

For some people, the "high" of having sex pushes them to being promiscuous. they won't use condoms because "it doesn't feel right" but meanwhile they are risking their life and wellbeing, in a world full of things like HIV/AIDS, herpes and hepatitis.

To me, marriage is a promise to stay with someone forever. Sex, is an intimate way of showing someone how much you love them, and how strongly you feel for them.

To me... I might feel strongly about someone, but not want to spend the rest of my life with them. This doesn't mean I wouldn't want to share an intimate and meaninful moment with them.

In my life i have had many experiences, bad and good, happy and sad, and both painful and pleasurable, in regards to sex and love. Personally, I am happy that I had those experiences before i got married, because they gave me a much deeper understanding of emotion and allowed me to learn to communicate with my husband better, since I'd already made so many mistakes, and realized what I had done wrong in the past.

I do think, though, that if you choose to have sex before marriage, keep in mind that accidents happen, and you might end up with a child in the meantime, and then not want to be with that person. The child might still be a blessing, but it is a lot of work being a parent, espeically if you are still young.

It is a choice we must each make at some point, and then live with the consequences, good or bad, that come after that choice.

Sorry about ranting... but it just popped out of my head.

[Rævyn Cigány]

I agree with everything everyone has said....but if you're young (like I was when I had my first time, out of wedlock), PLEASE use protection, and know going into this (excuse the pun) knowing that this is what is right for you. Don't let outside pressures push you into sex before you're ready.

I personally am glad that I didn't wait till my marriage because of the searing pain the first time sometimes incurs (this is not true for all women, mind you). Plus I loved my boyfriend (he is now my husband of over six years :)) and that was how I showed my love for him when nothing else could.

Okay, I'm babbling again, I apologize...

BB

Rae )0(

[ladyrowan]

Originally posted by bloodstone20
Sex as sacred. I'll only have it with someone I love, and having been dating for awhile, and even then only sparingly. If you have sex every other day, it becomes .... less of a Joyful thing and more of a chore. ............ If you have sex every time you can, it will loose those values ....

I think you might come to change your mind about that last sentence when you meet the right person 8O

BB

[Angel]

To me, sex should be approached with love, respect and responsibility. it's all good to have sex, but i personally consider it avery sacred act, one you should share with one you truly love. it's not just for married couples and it is a hell of alot of fun. but what if you get pregenant to soem guy you don't even know? Wouldn't loving the guy make and having him love you make it easier? So have sex if you want. it's good for you. But I know I'm saving myself for love.

[Dolphin's Eye]

In general sex in Paganism is viewed diffrently then in domestic religions, in Wicca it is something sacred and beautiful, the Goddess and God created us by uniting together, by having sex we follow their way, we use the power they gave us, we create life ourselves.

The energy used in doing Magick is the very same energy being raised during sex, even the principle is the same: raising Life energy up until you reach the peak and then releasing it for it's purpose.

Also in Wicca the human body is sacred, we are children of the Gods, we are beautiful, and the body contains power. Pleasing your body's desires is pleasing your soul, it is connecting the two. Unlike dmoestic religions that seperate the soul from the body in Wicca they are inseperable. If you please yourself, even alone by masturbating, you are also honoring your body, and the Gods.
You learn to feel the life's energies, you get to know yourself, you learn to love yourself.

[IOLO]

Great answer, D/E!!! You have learned well and much. EXCELLENT!!!

IOLO

[Swanspirit]

And that pagans generally tend to view sex in a different light than Christians .
I am the type of person that holds sex very sacred, and am not even comfortable with casual sex......sigh........
I spent too many years deeply in love with someone and NEVER HAVING SEX with that person but ONLY making love.....(even the quickies LOL)..... that I knew when we started "having sex" the relationship was crumbling.
I think that the sexual energy can influence chakra energy ..... create a vortex of it own .......even channel information from one party to the other........ or perhaps I can say this another way...... by bringing both parties into the energy vortex created by the sacred energy , information..... music ..... visualisations etc and energy that is available to one is available to both ......., and even if a human "creation" doesnt result, that a "mystical child" can be created as a result of the sacred sexual union. They are sometimes called Siddhis or powers .... and held to be extremely sacred by the yogis who recieve them , as gifts of the godesses and gods of creation :>.
So yes I would say pagans/wiccans view sex differently
Love and Light
:heartthro :heartthro
Swannie

[Semele]

My question to you would be, what does it have to do with religion? Yes, sex magik is awesome and can come in very handy.:eek: ;) , however, the decision as to whether or not it is the right time/person/place...whatever, is best answered by you. You have a strong sense of right and wrong and if you just listen to that voice you will make the best choice possible. Sex is an area in which you should pay careful attention to your inner voice, because unlike some other mistakes you make in life, this one can leave a lasting scar and change your life for good. So, religion aside, just listen to your heart.

[Illuminatus]

Sex is fun!

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Sex is fun!


YES :D

I'm so horny, even the crack of dawn isn't safe! ;) :p 8O 8O 8O

[Swanspirit]

that I know personally and including myself ..... is not something that is evil in and of itself. BUT that doesnt mean because it feels good DO IT..... it means what ever YOU do YOU take responsibilty for...... if you have sex with someone ..... you dont get to blame them afterward ........
Like anything else that requires responsibilty, it requires thought ..... and consideration of consequences.
The problem with that with sex is that it is one of the strongest drives that humans possess, and very difficult to deal with in the BEST of circumstances , and who is always in the best of circumstances?
Love and HUGS
Swannie

[Myst]

As far as I'm concered sex has less to do with Wicca then sunflowers have to do with ears. Your beliefs on sex are yours, and need not have anything to do with your religion.

[Tigerwallah]

I agree that sex has little to do with your spiritual path. I often ponder why some religions believe it does. Frankly, I believe that you have to decide for yourself no matter what religion you are.

I am very free sexually. I'm open to all things and have fun with my sexuality. I feel very secure in my personal sexuality. I think it is when you have doubts, when things don't feel right to you, that you have a problem.

[Swanspirit]

ooooooooooooooo
naturally KINKY?????????:cool: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
LOL sounds good to me Ilove getting intimate with nature LOL must be a pagan thing
hehehehe
FEATHER HUGS
Swannie

[Kaylara]

Well, to me sex is a wonderful expression of the passion that you feel for the particular person. I agree with the bits that the others here have said about energy. But I have to say that sex before marriage is my opinion is not a bad thing. If you love that person, or if you know them and want to be intimate with them, then go right ahead. Practice responsible procreation, and do what you like for contraceptives. Then again, I am very liberal when it comes to things like sex. I don't think that any religion has the right to control one of the most intimate acts one can do.

Blessings,
Kaylara

[Dolphin's Eye]

I don't think that Wicca has nothing to do with sex.

I do agree that religions have no right to TELL you how to behave and relate to sex and yourself, but then, religion doesn't have the right to tell you how to see yourself, right? And yet it DOES, it defines your relationship with your devine, and in Wicca and many other religions, the devine and you RELATE, in Wicca you are a part of the devine, as much connection between you and the the devine as you get!

Wicca is more then my religion, it is a part of me, the way I see myself connect with everything, everything is devine so everything relates therefor to Wicca. Wicca is a way of life, it is not just about believing, it is about ACTING. Beliefe is not something to be thought of only when preforming a ritual, it is always in you, it is in the way you see yourself and your surroundings.

No I am NOT (not not not) saying religion has the right to FORCE upon you what you must or should think about Sex, but the way you DO see sex should be a part of your religion, should combine with your believes and the way you see yourself.

Blessed Be!

[Amethyst_rose]

I was also raised Catholic and turned to Wicca when I could no longer ignore all the unanswered questions in that religion. I have some interesting insights into your question from the same point of view as I am sure you have.

The first is the origin of Lillith, leaving some room for variations, she is thought to be the first wife of Adam from the garden of eden. Lillith was a strong, independent woman who loved sex and did not bow to Adam's power. This story is obviously and diliberately left out of current versions of the bible, making way for the subserviant role of Eve. To Lillith, sex was a beautiful and wonderful thing, whether to procreate or purely for pleasure.

I would love to share any more info about this topic with anyone if you e-mail me, I don't want to take up too much space here with boring biblical facts.

If it feels right, do it. And call Lillith to lead you to the right path for yourself if you desire.

[Shy Hawk]

Sex is spiritual, but not religious in my opinion.
....But it should always be considered something more than flesh and fun. Completely MY opinion.

[slvr_phoenix]

**shrug** I won't say much because a lot of good things have been said. I'd just like to say that sex, like many things in life, holds however much meaning you put into it. If you make it spiritual, than it is spiritual. If you make it an act of love, it is an act of love. If you make it just recreational, it is just recreational. If you use it just for magick, then it is just for magick.

It is exactly what you make it to be. It has no more or less meaning than what you believe it has. And that is something that you can change from moment to moment. What may be just an act of recreation with one person could be an expression of love with someone else, or even with the same person at another time.

So it can be used for exactly as much as you want it to be.

Just remember though, that we're all individuals and so what it means to you at any moment, it may mean something ranging from amazingly similar to entirely different to your partner. And if you care what it means to your partner or your partner cares what it means to you, then open communication is VERY important.

And, like all actions, there are always possible consequences. One should never do something if they're not willing/prepared to accept the possible outcome(s) of. While protection can help make those consequences less likely, nothing is 100% perfect.

[MistOfTheSea86]

What about Homosexual sex? Anything different?

[Dria El]

As long as it's consentual, I don't see any difference between that and heterosexual sex.

[Tigerwallah]

Same here. I don't think that who you are attracted to, or what gets you excited matters in the slightest, as long as you aren't harming any other creature. Sex is, to me, not a spiritual thing, but a natural human desire, like ice cream and chocolate.

"Sex is like Pizza. Even when it's not that good, it's still pretty good." From the movie Threesome.

[slvr_phoenix]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
What about Homosexual sex? Anything different?
He he he he. Well, obviously the actual acts performed would have to be somewhat different. At least I'd imagine so. As for the spirit behind the acts though, again it's whatever you put into it. If both partners believe that there is no difference, for them there is no difference. If one or both believe that there is a difference, then for them there is a difference. **shrug** Or something like that. (And different does not have to equal bad.)

[Amethyst_rose]

I see no difference between heterosexual or homosexual sex. The Goddess and the God love pleasure, they never specified who you are to have that pleasure with. They would never say you are wrong for doing something you enjoy and want to do. I think that if it what a person wants, no one can call them wrong. No matter who your partner or partners are, or how many you have.