Egyptian/ egyptian wicca

[Redshire]

I was curious if any Kemetic Wiccans out there use the Wheel of the Year? If so, how do you incorporate the Names into that system?


em hotep!
:floating:

[argento_occhi]

i mainly follow the ancient egyptian form of calendar. i call myself kemetic pagan, besides, but i started out wiccan. the wheel of the year 1) didn't resonate with me and 2) didn't fit, because the calendar and the myths are closely tied, so it's almost essential. They're intertwined, the Gods, the myths and the seasons. I've come to appreciate how the calendars, Gods and myths associated with them are so intertwined and are full of so much symbolism. I dunno. i tried to use the wheel, but honestly, in my opinion, they aren't compatible. If someone thinks otherwise, that's cool, but it didn't work for me.

[ObsidianShenKa]

I am a Kemetic pagan of sorts. I am a devoté of Ptah foremost (creator god in Memphis). I also honour the Eye, as well as Set, Ma'at (can't have one without the other) and everybody's favourite Anpu.

I tend to not be very fond of Ra, Aset and Wesir. I could go on, but I shan't out of respect for those who actually like the primary gods of Kemet.

Aten, however, we can just point and laugh at :D

I refuse to become KO, however, because as I stated in another thread, I will never honour a white woman in Illinois as the Nisut. Ever. Can't happen. Won't happen. Despite the fact I dispute her claim TO that title, I refuse to be part of a cult.

Other than that, kemet.org is quite resourceful and every Kemetic I've ever come across has been a friend and not a foe ^__^ Go us.

AUS,
Obsidian Shen Ka

[Redshire]

i mainly follow the ancient egyptian form of calendar. i call myself kemetic pagan, besides, but i started out wiccan. the wheel of the year 1) didn't resonate with me and 2) didn't fit, because the calendar and the myths are closely tied, so it's almost essential. They're intertwined, the Gods, the myths and the seasons. I've come to appreciate how the calendars, Gods and myths associated with them are so intertwined and are full of so much symbolism. I dunno. i tried to use the wheel, but honestly, in my opinion, they aren't compatible. If someone thinks otherwise, that's cool, but it didn't work for me.

Sounds reasonable. I'm now wondering if someone might explain the seasonal correspondences with the Names? The Wheel of the Year makes sense to me (being a farm girl in Oregon), and I kinda have an idea how Nut, Geb, Heru, Set, Isis, and Osiris might fit into it. But I am very interested in the traditional Kemetic practices.

Would you be so kind as to share? Or point me in the direction of a good resource? :)


em hotep!

[Khuinaset]

NeferSesemet suggested Feasts of Light(Normandi Ellis), and I've heard good things about Circle of Isis(Ellen Cannon Reed), but I dunno if it deals with the Wheel of the Year within it. I've ordered both of them and should be getting them from my friend's house tomorrow, I might not get them both read 'til next Friday or so, but you can have my thoughts on them then if you like. :)

[Ahautenites]

A caveat for you.... Feasts of Light doesn't actually follow the Wheel of the Year. You would have to look through the book to see which feasts and festival celebrations and inner reflections would best fit a Wiccan calendar.

Many Tamerans and Egyptian Wiccans will associate Samhain with Wesir / Ausar / Osiris. Not sure Who I'd pick for Winter Solstice.... maybe Aset / Isis? Or even better, Bast. Imbolc might be Yinepu / Anubis in His "Opener of the Way" role, in order to give you an open door to what is coming in as the year cycles on, and to clear a path through any leftover clutter. Ostara would be a good time to pay attention to Knum, Tem, Ptah, and or Geb, because the first two are creator gods (and spring is about creation), and Geb is the earth itself. (I believe Earth Day is actually the best time for His celebration, though. ;) ) Beltane I would associate with Het-hert / Hathor and Her lover Heru /Horus. Litha (Summer Solstice) A great time to celebrate Khepera, Ra, Sekhmet and any other Names that are sun-related. Lughnassadh and Mabon are a little tougher to think about. They're both lesser harvest festivals, so I think that giving a nod to Wesir then would be good, too. But remember that there are lots of things to be harvested. Dreams, goals, and even souls get harvested. So, Wepwawet and Yinepu might be good to honor then, too.

My best suggestion would be to find a good dictionary of Egyptian gods and goddesses (either in book form or else online) and see which ones *you* feel best correlate to which holidays.

[Khuinaset]

A caveat for you.... Feasts of Light doesn't actually follow the Wheel of the Year. You would have to look through the book to see which feasts and festival celebrations and inner reflections would best fit a Wiccan calendar.

er...yeah...I knew that...I swear I really did :p I'm just really tired right now and remembered you suggested it, and that it had something to do with celebrations, or something. Like I said I'm really out of it right now, so, listen to Ses, she's smart and knows her stuff and all that :uhhuhuh:

(am I allowed to call you Ses? :eyebrow: :D )

[Ahautenites]

**laughs** Nah. I just know how to baffle people with my B.S. if I can't dazzle them with my brilliance.

And yes. Everyone is allowed to call me Ses. Typing three letters is a lot easier than typing 12.

[Cyclona]

I know that the Netjeru is far more complicated than this, but I am curious of wich one or more (?) is the moon? Djehuty?

[Khuinaset]

I think Djehuty is the one most commonly associated with the moon(if I'm remembering right, due to the curve in the ibis beak resembling a waning moon when it looks like a sickle sorta). I read something somewhere about Bast being associated with the moon, but I *think* that was later on when she grew to be associated with Artemis and thus the moon. anyone can feel free to correct me though :)

[Cyclona]

I think Djehuty is the one most commonly associated with the moon(if I'm remembering right, due to the curve in the ibis beak resembling a waning moon when it looks like a sickle sorta). I read something somewhere about Bast being associated with the moon, but I *think* that was later on when she grew to be associated with Artemis and thus the moon. anyone can feel free to correct me though :)
Very cool. Thanks :)

[argento_occhi]

i've actually read in a few books that Djehuty managed to have both lunar and solar aspects (though how i don't know). He's primarily lunar though, which is why he's so often portrayed with a crescent moon on his head. There was also some association with dawn because of the baboons chattering loudly at dawn and they became associated. He's very cool, with a wicked subtle sense of humour. Sorry, i just can't stop talking about how much i like him.

bright blessings,
argent

[Ahautenites]

A'ha and Khonsu are also associated with the moon. However, that being said, Egyptian deities don't have the same kind of associations with celestial bodies that Wiccan deities do. Even Heru (Horus), Who is considered mainly a sun-related deity, is associated with the moon by the simple fact that the sun and the moon are His eyes. Set could be associated with the (chaotic) darkness of the new moon and full moon, because He's the one Who plucked the moon-eye right out of Heru's head and affixed it in the heavens so He could see something He was looking at.

[argento_occhi]

the Egyptian deities aren't as easily defined like the graeco-roman ones are. They're much more overlapping and complex. That's what ive found anyway. Even Aset seems to have been Goddess of just about everything really at some point in time, being the amalgamation of all the other goddesses -- i think the romans saw her that way. i think A'ha/Ah was considered the moon, or at least was the one seen AS the moon, but others had lunar/solar aspects too. That's what i've read anyway.

[Cyclona]

A'ha and Khonsu are also associated with the moon. However, that being said, Egyptian deities don't have the same kind of associations with celestial bodies that Wiccan deities do. Even Heru (Horus), Who is considered mainly a sun-related deity, is associated with the moon by the simple fact that the sun and the moon are His eyes. Set could be associated with the (chaotic) darkness of the new moon and full moon, because He's the one Who plucked the moon-eye right out of Heru's head and affixed it in the heavens so He could see something He was looking at.
*nods* The complexity is one of the many things I adore about being Kemetic.

[Morgandria]

Aopparently, Het-Heru and I share a birthday - the 29th of August. If that's so..it amuses me...there's not much difference between the name Hathor, and my given name, Heather.
:p

-M.

[Redshire]

Thanks for the info, Ses! (yes, that is much easier to type...) I'll definately do some research into all that...

Right now I find that I am strongly drawn to Nut and Geb (through the grace of Yinepu), so I'll probably keep the Wheel of the Year setup and honor their union and Geb's cycles, along with whichever Names seem to fit the given holiday.

Thanks again!

Sapphiresphinx, please do share your thoughts on those books, once you read them. You can email me about that. :)


em hotep!

[Khuinaset]

I did email you as well, Redshire, with more info, but I thought I'd post this here for anyone else who would be interested.

I did get the book and read it, and I think it's *fantastic*. It's really interesting to read descriptions of Them from someone who has worked with them, as opposed to an archaeologist's view. There's a good 23-24 gods/goddesses covered it pretty good detail(spanning anywhere from two pages to ten) depending on her experience with Them, and then another twenty pages that has a listing of other Netjer and a two or three sentence description. All of them have their name in hieroglyphics(although it suffered a little bit, some of the lines look jagged, but it was easy enough for me to recognize the glyphs), as well. She covered most of the more common Netjer, I think, in detail, the only ones that I recognized that weren't covered in the larger section were Sobek, Amen, and Heket. There's just lots and lots of useful stuff- a section on songs that they used, recipes, a few guided meditations(I really liked the Asar one and I think I'm going to have to try it out) and ways that her coven found successful in contacting a deity, and then at the end an Egyptian calender based off of a papyrus, with the equivilant dates and months in our calenders. The only problems I found were in the hieroglyphs section where a few concepts seemed to be a little oversimplified, but I guess that could be expected. All in all pretty useful and definitely worth buying IMO. :)

[argento_occhi]

if i may ask, which book are you referring to?

[Khuinaset]

Oh, sorry, Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed.

[argento_occhi]

thanks, now i can go out and hunt for it. sounds like a great book.

[Khuinaset]

I had trouble finding it anywhere around here, but overstock.com has it for some ten dollars, I think, which is the cheapest I've found it anywhere on the net. :)

Also, something I thought of, were any deities associated with juniper? all I've been able to find from google is incense recipes and sites telling of mummies being found clutching juniper berries. didn't find anything at pantheon.org either.

[argento_occhi]

juniper berries... how intriguing. must say i've never hear of that one before.

[Ahautenites]

I doubt very much that any Egyptian deities will be associated with juniper berries for much the same reason I'd not associate them with maize or raccoons or koala bears. ;)

[Khuinaset]

:confused: I'd found on a few sites that juniper was in ancient Egypt, were they wrong? or am I getting something mixed up?

Egypt didn't have many trees, their wood was often of low quality and could only be cut into short planks. Acacia, carob, juniper and some other local wood were used, cedar and pine was imported from the Lebanon and some hardwoods like ebony from eastern Africa.

http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/timelines/topics/wood.htm

Juniper has been used for medicinal purposes as far back as 1550BC. A papyrus from ancient Egypt was discovered which showed Juniper berries as an ingredient for a medicine to treat tape worms. It is perhaps because of their medicinal qualities that they were initially incorporated into cooking.

from here (http://www.recipes4us.co.uk/Specials%20and%20Holidays/Juniper%20Berries%20Origin%20Uses%20Recipes.htm)

(although I don't know how accurate that is)

I found various things speaking of the medicinal uses, or it being used in cosmetics, too...If I was wrong, sorry. :bigredblu

[Ahautenites]

It's probably right. I thought juniper was an American shrub. (But I'm right about the koalas, maize and racoons. :p )

[Khuinaset]

Haha, so did I, before I did a few searches out of curiousity to see what turned up...In all honesty I was preparing for you to say I was wrong somehow and to feel very very stupid... :lol:

(although I'm with you on the koalas, maize, and raccoons :p )

[ObsidianShenKa]

Praise be to Heru-Sa-Koala!

[Kitsune]

Oh, sorry, Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed.

Easily one of my favourite books on Tameran Wicca. I thought it was quite easy to find, they have it everywhere here in the UK. I'm a Tameran Ecclectic Wiccan, and I also study ancient Egypt for fun in my spare time. I'm actually writing a radio play at the moment that's based in the Middle Kingdom period of Egypt (then called Ta'Mera). The tradition I follow is basically from Middle Kingdom to New Kingdom, mixed in with some Celtic traditions (because I'm Scottish, I deeply identify with my historical roots). ^^ I follow the basic wheel of the year, and also celebrate the Festival of Bast, and the birthdays of Heru Ur, Aset (Isis), Asar (Osiris), Set, and Nebet Het (Nephthys). Just thought I'd pitch in. ^^;;

[Redshire]

Easily one of my favourite books on Tameran Wicca. I thought it was quite easy to find, they have it everywhere here in the UK. I'm a Tameran Ecclectic Wiccan, and I also study ancient Egypt for fun in my spare time. I'm actually writing a radio play at the moment that's based in the Middle Kingdom period of Egypt (then called Ta'Mera). The tradition I follow is basically from Middle Kingdom to New Kingdom, mixed in with some Celtic traditions (because I'm Scottish, I deeply identify with my historical roots). ^^ I follow the basic wheel of the year, and also celebrate the Festival of Bast, and the birthdays of Heru Ur, Aset (Isis), Asar (Osiris), Set, and Nebet Het (Nephthys). Just thought I'd pitch in. ^^;;

Ah! How do you manage to fit the Kemetic gods into the Wheel of the Year, if I might ask? I am trying to figure that one out myself and often end up with more confusion than resolution.


I've just aquired a new tarot deck, the Ibis Tarot, and must give it praises here. The illustrations are stunning, and the symbology is easy enough for me to read. Even the little booklet that comes with the cards is informative, both in their meanings, and general techniques for readings and whatnot... You guys/gals should check it out. :)


em hotep

[Kitsune]

I suppose the best way to fit them into the wheel of the year is to follow the life-cycle of Asar. He is brought back to life once a year (spring), and the Nile weeps with joy as he is reunited with Aset. Then he dies and becomes Lord of the Dead again, and the plantlife begins to die away again. He is my parallel to the Celtic tradition. ^^

[Redshire]

I suppose the best way to fit them into the wheel of the year is to follow the life-cycle of Asar. He is brought back to life once a year (spring), and the Nile weeps with joy as he is reunited with Aset. Then he dies and becomes Lord of the Dead again, and the plantlife begins to die away again. He is my parallel to the Celtic tradition. ^^


mmm, yes... I'm more connected to Nut and Geb, but I've found the more I learn about the Names, the less you can seperate them. :)

I suppose I should write things down ad sort them out a bit more before I ask questions.


em hotep!

[Kitsune]

I feel a deep connection to Aset and Nebet Het, who are deeply involved with Asar's death and rebirth. Many of the Netjer share similar qualities, and parallels, and it is often hard to seperate them from one another the more you learn. Its funny that way. ^^

[argento_occhi]

i've always felt that way about the egyptian gods, that they are so fundamentally complex that you can't 'separate' them out like the greek and roman gods are commonly separated. They aren't as simple as that. The Gods are who They are. That's the easiest way to sum them up.

bright blessings,
argent

[Redshire]

i've always felt that way about the egyptian gods, that they are so fundamentally complex that you can't 'separate' them out like the greek and roman gods are commonly separated. They aren't as simple as that. The Gods are who They are. That's the easiest way to sum them up.

That's one of the things I love about them! :D


em hotep

[Khuinaset]

Does anyone here have any extensive knowledge of or experience with Nefer-Tem? I had my Ra Ma'at cards out and took aside the deity cards, mixed them all up and drew a few, Nefer-Tem was the first one, and then today I was drawing a few more...in the middle of it, for no reason, I thought "hey, I'll lay down nine cards instead of seven, and take the ninth one", and it was Him again. I've done some googling and have got a pretty good idea of what His attributes were, but I don't understand why that would be showing up, because He seems a very...niche, I guess, deity that wouldn't translate into modern times very well. :eyez: The thought also crossed my mind that that card was representing another deity instead, because there's only 15-20ish deity cards, and the picture on the card looks nothing like the paintings I've seen of Nefer-Tem. I'll scan in it and edit this post and add it, if anyone recognizes it as looking similar to another deity help is greatly appreciated :)

edit: ok, card scan added- I suppose the thing on his head could be a lotus, kind of, without the pillars, except that it still doesn't look like one to me... :eyebrow:

[argento_occhi]

sapphiresphinx, this is what i got from pantheon.org about Nefer-Tem:


An ancient Egyptian god identified with the lotus, but he also personified some form of the morning sun. He is a son of Ptah and Sakhmet or Bastet. Nefertem is usually represented as a man with a cluster of lotus flowers upon his head, but sometimes he has the head of a lion. In the little faïence figures of him, which are so common, he stands upon the back of a lion. He represents the sun-god in the legend which made him burst forth from a lotus, for in the pyramid of Unas the king is said: "Rise like Nefer-Temu from the lotus (lily) to the nostrils of Ra" and to "come forth on the horizon every day."

This is from a book called Ancient Egypt by Lorna Oakes and Lucia Gahlin, pg 288-9:


Nefertem:
This deity was associated with the lotus blossom, and was represented in male human form with the blue lotus Nymphaea caerulea on his head. His headdress sometimes also incorporated two plumes and two necklace counterpoises.

The Creation Myth of Hermopolis Magna states that the sun rose from the primeval lotus flower, and Nefertem was closel linked with the sun god. The Pyramid Texts of the Old Kingdom refer to nefertem as 'the lotus bloosom which is before the nose of Re' (Utterance 266). His universal importance is expressed in his title 'Protector of the Two Lands' (khener tawy), referring to Upper and Lower Egypt.

nefertem was worshipped at Mephis as the son of god Ptah and the lioness-goddess Sekhmet, so he was sometimes depticted as lion-headed. He was als occasionally referred to as the som of cat-goddess Bastet or, to complicate matters further, as the son of the cobra-goddess Wadjet at Buto.

That's all i can manage at the moment. I've got the Ra-Ma'at cards too., and curiously, he's the first card in the deck. how intriguing.


That's one of the things I love about them! :D

yep, wouldn't have Them any other way. besides, why would you want to be god of just one thing? no fun there. I'd take all the things i like. Just like people comparing Djheuti and Hermes. Yeah, they share some things, but they are more different in my opinon than they are similar. Was Hermes ever considered a creator god? Not to my knowledge.It's too simplistic to think of the gods in terms of wind, war, earth, sky, etc. They ahve their own personalities, like humans but with a heck of a lot more power at their disposal. (excuse that last bit, stuck in fantasy land -- must get some sort of coherence between how i actually see the Gods and how i see them in my stories) oh, and while we're on the subject of stories, does anyone know if Anpu likes marshmallows? Marshmallows were the first thing that came into my head as i was writing. i'd ask Him myself, but i don't feel close to Him at all enough to ask him. it just occured to me to ask here, cos there seem to be a lot of Anpu people here. I'm close to Aset, Djehuti and Sobek-Re -- well, they say birds and reptiles are closely related, and yes, i do feel like a reptile. I've never felt any sort of pull to Him, so i thought i'd ask those who know him better.

bright blessings,
argent

[Khuinaset]

Nefertem:
This deity was associated with the lotus blossom, and was represented in male human form with the blue lotus Nymphaea caerulea on his head. His headdress sometimes also incorporated two plumes and two necklace counterpoises.

The Creation Myth of Hermopolis Magna states that the sun rose from the primeval lotus flower, and Nefertem was closel linked with the sun god. The Pyramid Texts of the Old Kingdom refer to nefertem as 'the lotus bloosom which is before the nose of Re' (Utterance 266). His universal importance is expressed in his title 'Protector of the Two Lands' (khener tawy), referring to Upper and Lower Egypt.

nefertem was worshipped at Mephis as the son of god Ptah and the lioness-goddess Sekhmet, so he was sometimes depticted as lion-headed. He was als occasionally referred to as the som of cat-goddess Bastet or, to complicate matters further, as the son of the cobra-goddess Wadjet at Buto.

wish I would have seen that post before I edited...I suppose that's what the headdress thing on the card could be. hum. On a few sites I did see him connected to either Ra or Bast(as above, instead of Sekhmet being his mother), which I've felt some kind of 'pull' towards both, and there aren't cards for them(as you know :p ) so I guess that could be it, or it could be just Him. thanks for the help though! :)

[argento_occhi]

i do what i can to help. Hope everything goes ok.

bright blessings,
argent

[Redshire]

I'm thinking about making a small zine that pertains to the modern/ancient practices of Egyptian religion/s. If there is enough interest it would be published quarterly, and available for free.

If anyone would like to contribute, from articles, practices, poetry, information, to art, please email me at fempred@yahoo.com.


em hotep

[Khuinaset]

Has anyone here worked with Nephthys? I was doing some more Ra Ma'at drawings today; and I did a good five or six spreads in a row...Aset and Nebet-Het were side-by-side every single time. I don't know what it means but I thought I'd ask :)

[Khuinaset]

And another thing - anybody have this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931446040/qid=1093640832/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-1453900-2471006?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book? It looks pretty interesting so I'm thinking of getting it...there aren't too many reviews though.

[~Anamorata~]

Been working lately with Anubis...I hadn't for a long while, but He called to me, and I answered... :hugz:

[WickedBttrfly]

And another thing - anybody have this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931446040/qid=1093640832/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-1453900-2471006?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book? It looks pretty interesting so I'm thinking of getting it...there aren't too many reviews though.

It DOES look interesting... I might have to get it one day.

[WickedBttrfly]

Has anyone here worked with Nephthys? I was doing some more Ra Ma'at drawings today; and I did a good five or six spreads in a row...Aset and Nebet-Het were side-by-side every single time. I don't know what it means but I thought I'd ask :)

I've been drawn to Bast, Nephthys and Horus lately.

[Khuinaset]

Well, I'm just having a heck of a time finding information on Her or Nefertem(although I suppose that would be expected, but I'm pretty sure he wants to get my attention, so I'm trying), and I always love hearing firsthand accounts too...anyways, any sites would be very helpful :) on Nefertem especially...I've found one site that had more than three sentences in his description :hrmm:

[WickedBttrfly]

It is hard to find info on Nephthys... let me see if I have any sites.

[DandelionDame]

Maybe Tefnut isn't all that obscure, but all I can seem to find is the basic "Goddess of Moisture" blurb. I've been researching lots of different aspects of Egypt in the past few months and feel a real (if abstract!) calling to the deities there, but finding much detail on Tefnut is actually kind of difficult. Since I've also been extremely drawn to water as of late, I'm thinking Tefnut might be a good one to connect to, but because I'm also a wicked research nerd, I've been trying to find some good, solid info in web or book form. Started a thread in the "Gods and Goddesses" area(http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=63683) but no bites. If you're all in research mode by chance, any leads of any kind would be wonderful. I'm just trying to meld these two general areas of interest and not sure what to do next.

[argento_occhi]

apart from the three i'm currently working with, the only other egyptian deitiy i've become fascinated with is Bennu/the Bennu bird. Can't find out much about Bennu, but i'm intrigued by this Egyptian form of phoenix. As far as i have been able to find, Bennu was a sacrificial bird offered to Ra at Heliopolis on the New Year, appearing as either a large grey herron or as a God, Bennu, presented as a man. Apart from that, nothing much else. Bennu fascinates me, just fascinates me. My own image of a phoenix/bennu bird is some strange amalgamation of a herron, eagle, ibis, lyre bird and archaeopterix. I've turned Bennu red and golden. oh well. I suppose its much easier to recognise a phoenix as a red/golden bird instead of as a grey herron.

bright blessings,
argent

[Redshire]

Been working lately with Anubis...I hadn't for a long while, but He called to me, and I answered... :hugz:

Welcome back! Yinepu is absolutely wonderfull! :floating:


em hotep

[WickedBttrfly]

ok here are some sites for Nephthys

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/nephthys.htm
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/nephthys.html
www.pantheon.org%2Farticles%2Fn%2Fnephthys.html

[aluokaloo]

The other night I went to go ask Set, who is my Star Guardian as well, (I'm new to this) what kinds of offerings I could make to Him, and what is sacred to Him. I can't really find any correspondances to that God, so I decided to ask Him myself. He gave me an answer, actually and I decided to go and find out why these things are significant to Him. Could I get some help from some of the veterans here? That would be really great.
Here's what I was given;
agate
blood (I'll use my own of course)
crystals
sand
jasper
cypress
staff
and the color red
I know the animals that are sacred to Him, and why red is associated with Him, but the rest I'm not sure about.
:chatty:

[Asthmorte]

she's my patron goddess, but I dont know too much about her. I know the legends behind her and all that, but what are some things that are sacred to her? anyone know of any good sites for Sekhmet?

[Ahautenites]

per-sekhmet.org would be a good place to start. ;)

[Ahautenites]

There's a whole thread dedicated to everything I've found out about Set / Setekh. You may wish to see if there's anything there that you find helpful.

[aluokaloo]

Thanks Nefer

[Ahautenites]

**smiles** No problem. You might also want to check out the Egyptian links in the Paths section of the Links page.

[aluokaloo]

Mmm I couldn't find much on what I wanted but thanks again Nefer

[aluokaloo]

scratch that I'm finding stuff! Finally!

[Khuinaset]

Okay, I found a few sites that have either good general info, or info on Nephthys/Set/Sekhmet(although Ses probably has Set covered). I haven't read *every* article on these sites but what I've looked at looks pretty good.

http://members.aol.com/egyptart/list.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3617/crossings.html (I haven't read too much of any of those articles, but they looked okay from a quick glance)
http://www.idolhands.com/egypt/neteru/ (I haven't looked at the rest of the site but what's in the gods section looks pretty accurate)
http://www.fruitofthenile.com/
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/

hope I helped some!

still interested in talking to anyone who's had experience with Nephthys, by the way. PM me or something :)

[Immrama]

I've felt a special bond with bast for a long time and have been amassing a body of literature and references about Her and Her worship.. of anyone has anything to add... I would be most appreciative. Thank you :)

[Khuinaset]

Okay, I've found a few more sites on Nefertem and one more on Nephthys(that seems pretty good):

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/wily/nebthet.html
http://www.per-heh.org/topics/neter/article/n/Nefertem.php
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/nefertem.html

[Asthmorte]

Okay, I found a few sites that have either good general info, or info on Nephthys/Set/Sekhmet(although Ses probably has Set covered). I haven't read *every* article on these sites but what I've looked at looks pretty good.

http://members.aol.com/egyptart/list.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3617/crossings.html (I haven't read too much of any of those articles, but they looked okay from a quick glance)
http://www.idolhands.com/egypt/neteru/ (I haven't looked at the rest of the site but what's in the gods section looks pretty accurate)
http://www.fruitofthenile.com/
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/

hope I helped some!

still interested in talking to anyone who's had experience with Nephthys, by the way. PM me or something :)


all wonderful sites! thanks:) :fpraise:

[Erincelt]

I've felt a special bond with bast for a long time and have been amassing a body of literature and references about Her and Her worship.. You may have already come across this then, but just in case, here ya go:
http://www.per-bast.org/

[mystic_firefae]

Hi,
Just a quick question, a person in My Step-fathers pagan Group/Church was recently attaked by a Egyptian God/ess that had six fingers and cut him three times with a blade as a warning.......any ideas who he could be dealing with??

Love & Light
Mystic Fae


Hi everybody!
I am practising the egyptian path combined with some christian (and other) ides since many years. So I found out that almost everyone has his own way of doing/ living it. I would really love some exchange of ideas, if anybody out there loves the egyptian path(s) as much as I do. For any questions feel free to ask me, too! Please share!!!
Many greetings, Liliana

[Ahautenites]

Last time I checked, none of the Egyptian deities are characterized by polydactyly (many-extra-fingeredness).

[auryn]

My guess is you're dealing with a spirit lying about or masking its identity.

Though, maybe you have more details? Like why they believe they were attacked, why they would've been attacked by an Egyptian goddess, or why they think it's an Egyptian goddess specifically?

[Nebra]

hey.... I thought I was the only Kemetic here........ Hello fellow believers

[Tarbh Nathroch]

hey.... I thought I was the only Kemetic here........ Hello fellow believers
Em hotep, there are actually quite a few of us here.
Hey your little caption says sculptor did you make the pictured items?

[TaysatWesir]

hey.... I thought I was the only Kemetic here........ Hello fellow believers

Hi Nebra good to see you here on MW :artist: _pounce_ Nebra makes the best statues.

[Nebra]

Em hotep, there are actually quite a few of us here.
Hey your little caption says sculptor did you make the pictured items?
Yes.... I did....... I sculpt all the pantheons now or try to butI started with the Netjer of Egypt.....MerytMaihes got the first one I ever did........ a Mahes :smile:

[Nebra]

Hi Nebra good to see you here on MW :artist: _pounce_ Nebra makes the best statues.
hey I didn't know you hung out here......... way cool :)

[argento_occhi]

welcome amongst the Kemetics, then. You're a fantastic sculptor. I wish i could be as god as that.

bright blesisngs,
argent

[Writer_Waif]

Not necessarily Wicca ...

I am just researching the Egyptian Deities due to some inherent 'flashbacks' that I have had over the years.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Khuinaset]

bumping, for no particular reason...

But, Pheonix, I hadn't seen your post 'til now. So, if you do still need help, I'm sure you can post here and we'll be happy to help you :)

edit: I did think of something, actually :lol: does anyone know of any online versions of the book of the dead/pyramid texts/any translated texts, really, that aren't Budge and are done by a more reputable translator?

[instinct]

aww maann... I got about half way through this thread, and then realised I was only halfway through *yaaawns* crikey. I'm so braindead after all that, hehehe

aaaanyway...

Em hotep!

I'm in the current House of Netjer beginner's class.

Just thought I'd say hi. How's everyone doing? :bouncysmi

[Morning Star]

Anyone in the Temple of Set? (It's far from Wicca - but being that Set was Egyptian, I figured I'd ask. ;) )

[Khuinaset]

aww maann... I got about half way through this thread, and then realised I was only halfway through *yaaawns* crikey. I'm so braindead after all that, hehehe

aaaanyway...

Em hotep!

I'm in the current House of Netjer beginner's class.

Just thought I'd say hi. How's everyone doing? :bouncysmi

It's massive isn't it? :p

Hey, are you ethalys (may have spelled that wrong) from the HoN boards? your avatar looks awfully familiar... :D

[instinct]

Hey, are you ethalys (may have spelled that wrong) from the HoN boards? your avatar looks awfully familiar... :D

what? who? _whistle_

not exactly a discreet avatar is it? :lookwhats hehe

yes i'm ethalys, well done on the spelling! do I know you?

[Ahautenites]

**grins** Welcome to MW. Khuinaset goes by a different name on the House's boards.

Morning Star ~ The Temple of Set views Set altogether differently than Egyptian Wiccans, Tamerans, Isians, and Kemetics view Him.

[Tarbh Nathroch]

Morning Star ~ The Temple of Set views Set altogether differently than Egyptian Wiccans, Tamerans, Isians, and Kemetics view Him.
In their own words:

The Temple of Set practices a completely non-Christianized, positive "high Satanism"

Which would be a completely different view from us Kemetic type folks. I had always thought they took that name because the Church of Satan had already used that name. I always thought more of the serpent demon of Christian myth than of our Set when I would hear or read about the Temple of Set.

Their website was an interesting read though. I had several assumptions that were wrong.

[Ahautenites]

**chuckles** Judging by his name, I think our dear Morning Star is well aware of what the Temple of Set is. ;)

[Morning Star]

**grins** Welcome to MW. Khuinaset goes by a different name on the House's boards.

Morning Star ~ The Temple of Set views Set altogether differently than Egyptian Wiccans, Tamerans, Isians, and Kemetics view Him.

Yes, this is true - but the Temple of Set's image of Set is not without its' historical foundations - it has merely removed Set's place in Egyptian Mythology and focused instead on Set's "legend", so to speak. Though, the Temple of Set is nothing more than Ego Worship, and like the Satanists - their use of set is archetypal only.

However, is there anyone who worships Set as a Patron god? if so, what does Set mean to you?

[Ahautenites]

That'd be me (and a couple others).... I haven't been divined yet through the House of Netjer, but I'm fairly certain He's Dad.

For reference, see my "published" works: http://www.livejournal.com/users/nefersesemet/21950.html

http://www.sdsmedia.com/showthread.php?t=50898&highlight=Setekh

http://www.sdsmedia.com/showpost.php?p=534614&postcount=3

http://www.livejournal.com/users/nefersesemet/21607.html#cutid1

http://www.livejournal.com/users/nefersesemet/20256.html#cutid1

[Ahautenites]

Rait (pronounced Rah-EET) is another member who posts occasionally. Her parents are Ra and Set. Must be fun to be her. **shudders, but laughs** ObsidianShenKa's parents are Ptah and Set (he even *looks* like Set and acts a bit like Him, too).

[Tarbh Nathroch]

I always like reading your stuff Nef.

I also have realized Set as having an interest in me. I find it hard to believe sometimes that I had overlooked Him for so long. As a child I would draw pictures of Anubis and ask him things. Especially when in school and the nun would say something that just sounded silly or ignorant. Since about 8th grade I have looked to Horus as an example to live my life by and have given Him a lot of my mind and time over the years.

Recently though I have come to see how much Set has been in my life. Through places like MW and the HON. These places and a few of the people there have sparked more study into Set. I have learned a lot about Him and myself surprisingly, to me anyway. I’ve had it suggested by folks of the Kemetic Orthodox faith at I sound and act like a Set kid. After reading Nef’s first link up there it’s just another point of view that makes me think so, but that’s not up to me, nor would an answer one way or the other change my life and His place in it.

As I look back on my life I’ve noticed that several times I have reached a point where I was happy to sit back and just be comfortable in my life as it was. A good job, a good girl a nice car. I now see that I would stagnate in my comfort and the over all quality of my life would go down, even though I was happy. I would get life lazy if you will, start to let it pass by instead of live it. Each time that happened a HUGE catastrophic change would happen. Something that would kick me right out of my comfort and put me down on my hands and knees digging in the dirt of life again. It made me stronger and gave me something better each time. Now with my new understanding of Set I realize that each time something chaotic happens in my life I must have started to coast again and well from what I understand of Him so far just existing don’t cut it.

Set is the best worst part of my shitty cool life and all of it’s pleasantly painful fantastic horrible happenings.

[Khuinaset]

what? who? _whistle_

not exactly a discreet avatar is it? :lookwhats hehe

yes i'm ethalys, well done on the spelling! do I know you?

I'm sapphiresphinx on the HoN boards, the person who asked about Nebt-Het and Nit ;) ooh and welcome to the boards!

it's great to see this thread revived :D *wanders off to read all the links Ses posted*

[argento_occhi]

i was beginning to think it had been abandoned. Nice to see it being resurrected.

[AnkhesenAset]

however, is there anyone who worships Set as a Patron god? if so, what does Set mean to you?

i have 3 good friends that all have Set as a Parent and worship Him and are very fond of Him. They wouldn't have it any other way, and have told me so. I don't know how 2 of them feel about the Temple of Set, and this isn't being said to bash you, just stating feelings, but one of them is not fond at all of how Set is portrayed, just using the legend and doing ego worshipping, as you said. He actually finds that insulting and demeaning towards Set.

I think the most important thing is how Set feels about it, 'cause He's one tough cookie you do NOT want to piss off.

[instinct]

I'm sapphiresphinx on the HoN boards, the person who asked about Nebt-Het and Nit ;) ooh and welcome to the boards!

ahhhh. :bigblue:
I know you!

Thanks for the welcome

[Ahautenites]

Khuinaset ~ Well this is a twist. **chuckles** The one time I actually reply to your PMs in a timely manner, I can't SEND the responses to you. Clean out your inbox, chica! **grins**

[Khuinaset]

Khuinaset ~ Well this is a twist. **chuckles** The one time I actually reply to your PMs in a timely manner, I can't SEND the responses to you. Clean out your inbox, chica! **grins**

I just did...whoops! :foopsies:

[wedjbai]

Hotep

People were talking about Set, so I wanted to jump in and share my experiences.

For a long time I was under the impression that He was Evil. Unfortunately, He did go in and out of fashion in different dynasties. However, I now know that He is an essential force. Chaos is not the same as evil.

Nevertheless, He is still one of those Names that intimidates me! My first saq ("Saq" means "appearance". It's a full-possesion by one of the Names - one of the priests acts as the vessel) that I attended (online) was Saq-Set.

He was so BIG and powerful. He demanded His offerings up front (I don't work for free, you know!). But when I approached Him, and asked Him how I could learn about Him and lose my misunderstandings He was actually...nice? Brief, and to the point, but not mean.

From what I see, He's hardest on His own children, followed by His Beloveds.

He had us all hold our hands directly over a candle flame, and talked to us about power. As soon as He told us to remove our hands, I felt burning and pain. But not before. Weird.

I think He's the guy who gets the job done, no matter how unpleasant.

I'm still faintly intimidated by Him though...Him and Sekhmet. I don't think I'll ever lose that!

Though there are those who are intimidated by my Mother and fear Her, and I guess I can see why.

senebty, wedjbai

[Darakash]

Before i begin, I want to say that this same question is posted (by me) on Ta-Mery; sorry for the cross-post, but want as much input as possible:

*Sigh* I seem to be continually asking questions lately! Ok, where to begin....I have the four sons of Horus in the form of small Canopic jars on my altar; each is placed in his respective corner/direction.

Well, I had a sort of "incident" with Hapy (associated with North, Lungs were his organ, he is often portrayed as having the head of a Baboon (but often with horns that appear similar to a ram?) First, I was lighting some Frankinsence and Myrhh resin and I literally felt like he was screaming at me that he wanted to face outward. (I had him and the others facing the center of the altar.) So, I turned him around, then, though i tried for almost 20 minutes I couldn't get the self-igniting charcoal to stay lit...and as I was working on this I guess I must have been brushing up against him, because he ended up facing to the side more and was now (then) positioned so that he was looking directly at my husband's altar.....then, about a half-hour later, my hubby (who is very careful about such things) came through the room and somehow managed to knock Hapy on the floor....and he told me he was hearing OPEN THE MOUTH from him and he was a little startled and asked me what this meant!? He is not at all egyptian in his worship/practice and therefore is not very familiar with this concept and also, he got the strong feeling that this message was not necessarily for him, but somehing he was to communicate to ME....(we tend to find this in our relationship, that we are asked by our respective deities to pass on info or suggestions to the other, we tend to motivate each other more than we motivate ourselves at times!)

So, WTF???? Am I just taking a series of coincedences and blowing them out of proportion? If not, who's mouth do you suppose I am supposed to Open and does anyone know any associations with Hapy that might make sense that I may not be thinking about? I am just a little confused and curious! Also, is the general thought that the Sons of Horus are Gods themselves or more like demi-gods or something of that nature???

Blessings and Thanks, DK

[Khuinaset]

Before i begin, I want to say that this same question is posted (by me) on Ta-Mery; sorry for the cross-post, but want as much input as possible:

*Sigh* I seem to be continually asking questions lately! Ok, where to begin....I have the four sons of Horus in the form of small Canopic jars on my altar; each is placed in his respective corner/direction.

Well, I had a sort of "incident" with Hapy (associated with North, Lungs were his organ, he is often portrayed as having the head of a Baboon (but often with horns that appear similar to a ram?) First, I was lighting some Frankinsence and Myrhh resin and I literally felt like he was screaming at me that he wanted to face outward. (I had him and the others facing the center of the altar.) So, I turned him around, then, though i tried for almost 20 minutes I couldn't get the self-igniting charcoal to stay lit...and as I was working on this I guess I must have been brushing up against him, because he ended up facing to the side more and was now (then) positioned so that he was looking directly at my husband's altar.....then, about a half-hour later, my hubby (who is very careful about such things) came through the room and somehow managed to knock Hapy on the floor....and he told me he was hearing OPEN THE MOUTH from him and he was a little startled and asked me what this meant!? He is not at all egyptian in his worship/practice and therefore is not very familiar with this concept and also, he got the strong feeling that this message was not necessarily for him, but somehing he was to communicate to ME....(we tend to find this in our relationship, that we are asked by our respective deities to pass on info or suggestions to the other, we tend to motivate each other more than we motivate ourselves at times!)

So, WTF???? Am I just taking a series of coincedences and blowing them out of proportion? If not, who's mouth do you suppose I am supposed to Open and does anyone know any associations with Hapy that might make sense that I may not be thinking about? I am just a little confused and curious! Also, is the general thought that the Sons of Horus are Gods themselves or more like demi-gods or something of that nature???

Blessings and Thanks, DK

Hey that's pretty cool :) I can't help you out much, except that (in my experience of course) Netjer have got my attention more from a long string of coincidences than anything else, so you're not just going crazy :lol: I think "opening the mouth" was a ceremony preformed during mummification, but I can't remember what it symbolizes. Maybe somebody else will be able to help you out more, I'll do a bit of research later today and see what I find :)

[Darakash]

Hey that's pretty cool :) I think "opening the mouth" was a ceremony preformed during mummification, but I can't remember what it symbolizes. Maybe somebody else will be able to help you out more, I'll do a bit of research later today and see what I find :)

Oh, don't go to effort on researching this! I know what the opening of the mouth is....it is actualy a ceremony performed to bring the actual god/entity represented by a given statue (other representation) into that thing. As in, if I had a statue of a God/dess and performed the ritual...the actual deity would be present in that statue. Thanks though!

I was more wondering which entity he might refer to....when I asked whose mouth I should open.

DK

[Darakash]

Oh, and also, a new development or two since the original post....on the lung association with Hapy, well, i was speaking with my priest/mentor and he suggested that I check out the herb Lungwort...(kinda popped into his head) and I looked it up and it seems it is highly associated with my Patron-Tehuti/Thoth/Djeuty, so that might be a clue? But also, I am a smoker and recently moved into a new home in which the air quality seems a little less than perfect (the previous tenant was a chain-smoking fiend and i live in FL where the AC is running quite frequently, so there may be nicotene in the air system vents, etc.) and I have been having some chest congestion...so it is possible that this is literally about my lungs?

DK

[coyoger]

It might also be something as simple as the said deity wanting more attention. By saying "open the mouth" it might mean, open yourself up to what I'm trying to tell you. You might be too bogged down in ritual. Open yourself up through meditation and see what comes of it.

[Kheti]

Em Hotep Everyone!
I need help with altar setups and rituals if any one care to help out I would appreciate it.

[Kheti]

Could someone give a class on the Kemetic path that would be open to all people whether you are KO or simply just Kemetic Recon? It could give info on how to conduct rituals and about the holidays and different netjeru and maybe some lessons on the language.

[Cyclona]

Hotep!!

I am so happy to see this thread is still going!

:D

I was MIA for a while but I am back. Hope some of you remember me.

[Erincelt]

Could someone give a class on the Kemetic path that would be open to all people whether you are KO or simply just Kemetic Recon? You might already know this, but the KO class is open to anyone, even if you don't stay with the House afterward. Its a no-cost, no-obligation kinda thing. Otherwise, I probably never would've done it. ;)

[Kheti]

You might already know this, but the KO class is open to anyone, even if you don't stay with the House afterward. Its a no-cost, no-obligation kinda thing. Otherwise, I probably never would've done it. ;)
Ill check them out again,Thanks!

[Tarbh Nathroch]

Could someone give a class on the Kemetic path that would be open to all people whether you are KO or simply just Kemetic Recon? It could give info on how to conduct rituals and about the holidays and different netjeru and maybe some lessons on the language.
This was asked about and talked over on another Egyptian/Kemetic thread, or it might have been this one. It ended with none of us feeling qualified to do such a thing as an organized class. Which unfortunately leaves some of our younger friends in limbo since the House of Netjer and Per Ankh(Kemet Online) free class are 18and over I believe.

If you had any specific questions I’m sure one/some of us would jump in and help you out.

[Erincelt]

Which unfortunately leaves some of our younger friends in limbo since the House of Netjer and Per Ankh(Kemet Online) free class are 18and over I believe. Aye, there is that... I know I've seen some minors involved in the KO/HoN class before, but I think the ones I've seen were all kids of members, so that might make a difference.


If you had any specific questions I’m sure one/some of us would jump in and help you out. We're gluttons for this!

[Kheti]

Well I need an outline for rituals and tools that are used in Kemetic Recon paths not the wiccan ones.

[Erincelt]

Well I need an outline for rituals and tools that are used in Kemetic Recon paths not the wiccan ones. Well, for my own practice -- an admittedly KO one -- there is very little in the way of tools or formal ritual. I have the daily shrine ceremony, which naturally requires a maintained shrine, and otherwise I fill my days with spontaneous prayers and devotions. From time to time something will strike me and I'll make a small rite of it, but these are entirely my own invention, each one unique. So tools... well, shrine things. An image or images of the Name(s) you wish to honor "first", vessels for water and offerings, incense burners / charcoal holders... that sort of stuff.

[Tarbh Nathroch]

Yeah, what Erincelt said. There is not mush to it supply and tool wise. I have two statues, a small pitcher type thing and a small bowl for water and a second bowl for other offerings, and a supply of natron (that I keep in the bathroom for showers, yes I just add that to my morning shower instead of a ritual bath) and that’s it for necessities. The shrine cloth, candles and incense and other such stuff are just to look nice and create a mood. Oh one other necessity for me, scented oils for when I got the statues and cleaned and dedicated them for shrine use.

[Kheti]

Thanks for the tips you two!.So in otherwords I really only need a water bowl(I have a small pottery bowl 2" in dia.,looks kind of like a pot and another one that matches that is a small pitcher)and a offertory plate.I have the bowl above could I use this for the offerings or do I need a plate?And statuettes for the netjeru.
Em Hotep!

[instinct]

Anyone can take the KO beginner's course.
If you are under 18, however, you'll need parental consent.

Just don't want to cause any family conflict :)

PS. Em hotep Cyclona. I recognise you from a certain KO message board ;)

[~Anamorata~]

I'm Nefertari...Egyptian girl from Ohio...yes, you read that right, I am Egyptian...belong to The Temple of Osiris, who is one of my Patrons, Anubis, is the other.... :wave:

[Kheti]

I'm Nefertari...Egyptian girl from Ohio...yes, you read that right, I am Egyptian...belong to The Temple of Osiris, who is one of my Patrons, Anubis, is the other.... :wave:
Em Hotep,Thats cool a real Egyptian :thumbsup:

[Redshire]

I know some of you here use the Kemetic calender of holidays, but does anyone use the traditional Wiccan Wheel of the Year? I ask this because the Kemetic calender is connected closely to the Nile and its flooding, while the Wheel of the Year is more accurate of what is going on seasonally in my geographic location.

I have been studying the Names and their cycles/aspects for over a year now, and think that the way I am slowly incorporating them into the Wheel of the Year works. Does anyone one else do this?

Of course, all I claim to know now is subject to change as I continue to learn! :reading:

So for Yule, it would be the birth of Horus... emerging to push back isfet (Set) and to restore ma'at.


thoughts?


em hotep :floating:

[Erincelt]

I do personally follow both the Kemetic calendar and the Wiccan Wheel of the Year, but I specifically follow the Lycian Wheel, which is very much based on Archetypes, so it shouldn't be too difficult to try to incorporate the Netjeru into it. That said, I haven't as yet attempted it myself. More info on the Lycian Wheel could be found here:
http://www.lycianwicca.org/lycianwicca/WheeloftheYear/wheelof.htm

As a side note, I wouldn't use Set to represent isfet quite so quickly as I would Apep. My understanding of Set is that He isn't against Ma'at at all, in fact He fights to protect Ma'at, but that He is lord of the inevitable, that element of chance and chaos in the universe that keeps it dynamic and keeps all the individual wills in check. Apep, on the other hand, is definitely evil.

Just one man's take. :)

[Ahautenites]

:D It's the correct take. All the Names uphold ma'at, because without ma'at, They, too, would cease to exist.

[Erincelt]

Upon further thought... At least in terms of the Lycian Wheel, it might work to refer to Heru-sa-Aset and Set for the roles of the two Kings. Due to the fact that neither King is considered in the Lycian Myth to be evil. In fact... it might even slightly parallel the original myths regarding battles between those two great gods. Something to ponder.

[Ahautenites]

**grins** Know Who I thought my Patron was before those wacky Egyptian gods showed up?

The Holly King.


And Who takes such an active interest in my life now?

Set.

I think They thought of it, even if I didn't. :D

[Kheti]

I know some of you here use the Kemetic calender of holidays, but does anyone use the traditional Wiccan Wheel of the Year? I ask this because the Kemetic calender is connected closely to the Nile and its flooding, while the Wheel of the Year is more accurate of what is going on seasonally in my geographic location.

I have been studying the Names and their cycles/aspects for over a year now, and think that the way I am slowly incorporating them into the Wheel of the Year works. Does anyone one else do this?

Of course, all I claim to know now is subject to change as I continue to learn! :reading:

So for Yule, it would be the birth of Horus... emerging to push back isfet (Set) and to restore ma'at.


thoughts?


em hotep :floating:
Em Hotep!
I just keep the secular calendar,e.i.I keep Xmas,Thanksgiving,Halloween,4th of July and recognise other days as well with family.I guess Heru-sa-Aset and Set could be used during the winter solstice rites though or even Imn-Ra(Amun Re) as the Sun god.

Senebty!
Kheti

[TornadoAli]

OOh I just discovered this thread, and I've been on MW for what, a few years now? LOL

I've always been drawn to the Egyptian dieties even since I was a kid. I've been collecting things with likenesses(eseses?) of Aset since before I remember, and then as I grew older Bast came into my life as well. I've worked with other dieties from other pantheons before, but nobody feels as right to me as they do. For a while there when I was younger I was getting pretty good at reading hieroglyphics and I really want to pick that up again. I wouldn't really consider myself Kemetic, but more just Egyptian Pagan. Or even Eclectic Egyptian Pagan, since I've got a twist of Irish in the mix!

Anyways, this thread has been fantastic! It's great to see what other people think. :-)

[instinct]

Welcome aboard TornadoAli! :D
Looking forward to hearing some more of what you think. ;)

[Ahautenites]

Thundercats, Hooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

**Grins** Thought that would get your attention. I figured I'd give this thread a bump because all the people I want to talk to are subscribed to this thread.

So.... Intro To Modern-Day Egyptian-Pagan and Kemetic Beliefs. As much as I don't think any of us are qualified to teach such a class all by our onesies, I think that all together, we have a pretty good chance of creating a fairly decent class.

**grins** Not that I expect us to spoonfeed anyone. Hell no. I'm waaaaay too lazy to do that. What I want is for us all to create questions (ones we hopefully already know the answers to so we can correct any wayward student responses) that we think all beginners should know about whatever topics within the overall Egyptian Wiccan/Tameran/Kemetic umbrella that we are interested in. Then I want them to take a week to find the answers to certain questions for themselves and post their answers to the thread that corresponds with each question. This way, they'll all see each other's answers and will learn the whole answer, instead of just the little bit that they learned by themselves.

Perhaps there should be a different thread for questions students have, and after one or another of us finds out the answers, we can include that question as part of their next homework assignment.

We'd make them do the majority of the work for us, and they'd learn more (by their own search and from their classmates) as a result. As Scrooge McDuck of the cartoon Ducktales always said: Work smarter, not harder.

So...

Who wants to help me teach it? :)

[Khuinaset]

We'd make them do the majority of the work for us, and they'd learn more (by their own search and from their classmates) as a result. As Scrooge McDuck of the cartoon Ducktales always said: Work smarter, not harder.

LMAO. One of my supervisors thinks I'm lazy because I have that attitude. I'm not lazy, I just find creative ways to do things that require less energy ;)


So...

Who wants to help me teach it? :)

I'll be happy to help try, though I'm not sure if I'm qualified. I'll also need to reread the description(I have a splitting headache right now, on the computer out of boredom...but I think I get the idea) and make sure I can do that with whatever time I have, but I can try if I fit the qualifications :D

[Ahautenites]

**smiles** You, m'dear, are definitely qualified to help teach. Just think of everything you've been learning, and think of every question you've ever thought of to get you where you are now in your studies. Write them all in a list, and add anything else you think would be good for newbies to know about, and write them up pretty much the same way I broke up the questions I'm planning on asking people (this is so people don't feel overwhelmed with the volume of questions each week.. three or four questions at the max, should be more than enough for students to ponder each week). I think I asked all the hardest questions, anyway. :) Hell, I'm still iffy on what the differences are between Kemetics and Tamerans, and I've called myself both at different times in my studies.

Questions don't need to have answers, either, as long as they get people thinking and asking their own questions. The main thing is to give people a little guidance in what they should learn about first, rather than looking at the awesome lump of sheer knowledge that is ancient Egypt and not knowing where to even begin.

[Khuinaset]

**smiles** You, m'dear, are definitely qualified to help teach. Just think of everything you've been learning, and think of every question you've ever thought of to get you where you are now in your studies. Write them all in a list, and add anything else you think would be good for newbies to know about, and write them up pretty much the same way I broke up the questions I'm planning on asking people (this is so people don't feel overwhelmed with the volume of questions each week.. three or four questions at the max, should be more than enough for students to ponder each week). I think I asked all the hardest questions, anyway. :) Hell, I'm still iffy on what the differences are between Kemetics and Tamerans, and I've called myself both at different times in my studies.

Okay, I'll do that. Seems you covered the vast majority though...I can do some hieroglyph questions if nothing else, and come up with some place-specific theologies(Memphite, if nothing else, from doing all my Nefertem research...).


Questions don't need to have answers, either, as long as they get people thinking and asking their own questions. The main thing is to give people a little guidance in what they should learn about first, rather than looking at the awesome lump of sheer knowledge that is ancient Egypt and not knowing where to even begin.

*grins* Okay, I'll try. When do you want the questions in by?

[Ahautenites]

Depends on how many other people respond to this thread. I'd say a couple weeks, maybe?

[instinct]

oo..oo.. pick me! pick me! :lol:
well. i can try

such a huge topic. especially when we're looking at egyptian beliefs from so many different perspectives..

gah

[Khuinaset]

Depends on how many other people respond to this thread. I'd say a couple weeks, maybe?

Ooo. I can do that then. My current job ends August 5th, and after that I'll have about a two week (BLISSFUL) free period where I can research and do questions to my heart's content. Is that too late?

[Ishtara]

This is a brilliant idea! :thumbsup:

I am unfortunately not qualified to teach anything about spiritual matters, as I am way too new to my path. But if I can help in any way with the organization, or contribute some research on history/egyptology, let me know. I would definitely love to help :)

[argento_occhi]

Well, I'm not sure exactly what I could do, but I'd be willing to give it a go. I could help with info on Kom Ombo and the Faiyum, seeing as I did all that research for Per Sebek. I'll have to go to the library and find a few books -- the State Library, though. There's more there. And hang around the museum bookshop so I can find something interesting there (there's so much, and I'll hate choosing). I'm working tomorrow, but I could do that either Wednesday or Thursday. (Eh, ignore that, I was just talking to myself)

Let me know how this thing's going. I think it'd be useful to have soemthing like this available.

Argent

[Ahautenites]

**grins** Gemyt, of course you're in this. Jackal families always stick together. (It's what makes distinguishes them from other wild canines.) :)

Good day to you all, my dear victim-, er, fellow teachers.

If I go first, you could all feasibly have betwen four and eight weeks to finish figuring out your own questions. I just figured this first couple weeks we would hang out and wait to see who else might answer this thread.

Plus, we'll need to approach mol or whoever in order to say we want to teach a class.

It might be nice if, as part of the time we spend discussing Names of Netjer, we each took a week to teach about the god or gods that are closest to us, from our own perspective. Argent, since you're so close to Sobek, you definitely ought to teach about Him. Gemyt, you should talk about Dad, since He's your Parent. If Waen is around, I'm sure he'd love a go at adding his two cents. I can chip in if I have anything valuable to add, and I can prattle away about Father [Set] until everyone around me is bored to tears, and teach a bit about Aunt Seshat, because She's not as well-known. ;) Kuinaset, you may want to consider teaching us what you've learned about Nebt-het or Aset (or both), since They seems to speak to you frequently. Then again, everyone: don't let me be too pushy. If you're not comfortable divulging facts about something, or if you'd rather talk about something else, then definitely do that instead.

[argento_occhi]

That sounds reasonable, Ses. You should always talk about what you know. I suppose I could cover Djehuty as well unless someone else knows Him better or wants to discuss Him. I've just started the current beginner's class, so I'll probably find questions as I go along. Let's see if we can't get something meaningful going, hey?

Argent/Rex

[Khuinaset]

It might be nice if, as part of the time we spend discussing Names of Netjer, we each took a week to teach about the god or gods that are closest to us, from our own perspective. Argent, since you're so close to Sobek, you definitely ought to teach about Him. Gemyt, you should talk about Dad, since He's your Parent. If Waen is around, I'm sure he'd love a go at adding his two cents. I can chip in if I have anything valuable to add, and I can prattle away about Father [Set] until everyone around me is bored to tears, and teach a bit about Aunt Seshat, because She's not as well-known. ;) Kuinaset, you may want to consider teaching us what you've learned about Nebt-het or Aset (or both), since They seems to speak to you frequently. Then again, everyone: don't let me be too pushy. If you're not comfortable divulging facts about something, or if you'd rather talk about something else, then definitely do that instead.

Sounds like a good idea to me. I can also cover Nefertem, of course, but I doubt that'd be a big spot of curiousity :lol: Maybe we should have a general spot for questions/information on the more obscure deities?

[Ahautenites]

Here's what I'm thinking for the breakdown of sections (each of which will probably take weeks):

Part 1 -- Introduction
Part 2 -- The Gods
Part 3 -- Ma'at & Isfet
Part 4 -- The Religion
Part 5 -- The Myths & Legends
Part 6 -- Culture, Writing, Art, Architecture, Medicine, Food, Daily Life
Part 7 -- Concepts of Time and The Holidays
Part 8 -- Practices Today
Part 9 -- Student Questions & Conclusion

And kudos to anyone who realizes I deliberately left of History. I'm not particularly good at history. So if anyone else is, feel free to add a section on it. And please feel free to suggest any other sections, too. :)

[argento_occhi]

Might be a good idea Khuinaset. Obscure deities should be known about and not ignored. OK, that sounded weird. (or is that just me?)

Argent/Rex

Edit: That sounds good Ses. I don't wanna tackle History either. but, if someone's willing, go ahead. I won't stop ya.

[~Anamorata~]

Hmmm...refresher course for moi...grandmother would approve :uhhuhuh:

[Ptah]

Anetch hrk NeferSesemet, Khuinaset. Ba bak benu. I have been reading this thread with interest. Let me introduce myself, my name is Ptah (as is my patron). I have been on the Egyptian path for nearly 15 years now. I taught myself to read the medu neter so that I might better understand what is being said in the extant texts and not have to worry about other's translations. I started my studies (4 years) in an Isian coven in the lineage of Pattalee Kohentop (Phoenix Roundtree). I quit coven work .. well, because it was a coven and was rife with coven politics. In addition, there were many dieties that were blanched or completely ignored. Ignorance on many subjects were written and passed down as if they were gospel and then passed on again. I felt like I was eating a sandwich with the meat removed. So, I began my own quest for the truth buried in the known texts. I guess you could call me (if you really need a label) a reconstructionist.

Though I would not be willing to teach in forum like this, (I have my own students to deal with in real life), I am willing to offer you my knowledge, expertise and experience (offline, of course, not in front of students) if you want it. I hope you understand the scope of what you are teaching. It is such a broad subject with so many nuances it can be very difficult to get a grip on. Good luck in your teaching venture here, it is what I would consider college level subject matter.

Em pet heri, Em pet kheri. Nuk khu, ymi khu er neheh en tchetta. Ymi yniu Sia!

[i_am_serenity16]

Here's what I'm thinking for the breakdown of sections (each of which will probably take weeks):

Part 1 -- Introduction
Part 2 -- The Gods
Part 3 -- Ma'at & Isfet
Part 4 -- The Religion
Part 5 -- The Myths & Legends
Part 6 -- Culture, Writing, Art, Architecture, Medicine, Food, Daily Life
Part 7 -- Concepts of Time and The Holidays
Part 8 -- Practices Today
Part 9 -- Student Questions & Conclusion

And kudos to anyone who realizes I deliberately left of History. I'm not particularly good at history. So if anyone else is, feel free to add a section on it. And please feel free to suggest any other sections, too. :)
Oh I like that... I started a thread about a class like this in the CoT but that never happened. If this does get started as a class I'd LOVE to take it!!!! This sounds awesome, I hope this works out!
Em Hotep

[~Anamorata~]

Oh I like that... I started a thread about a class like this in the CoT but that never happened. If this does get started as a class I'd LOVE to take it!!!! This sounds awesome, I hope this works out!
Em Hotep

i saw that, said I'd join...then nothing happened...as I said somewhere here, it would be like a refresher course for me. :)

[argento_occhi]

I htink it'll be a while off yet. We're just starting to discuss the possibilities of us beuing able to teach it. We'll keep ya posted.

Argent/Rex

[Tarbh Nathroch]

I may participate.

[Ahautenites]

Crap. I forgot. I still owe you a PM. I'm sorry. **hugs** My PM inbox tends to get overrun.

[Tarbh Nathroch]

No worries.

[Loopaleigh]

Hi....I've been following your thread and have found it very interesting.....and I have a question that is semi related.

I notice a few people have DARA in their user name somewhere. What does this mean in egyptian/ kemetic?

I googled it and all I got was: wisdom, compassion, angel of rain and rivers....but in Hebrew.

Anyway....I'm asking because I have a friend named Dara and she would find it cool to know her name has some egyptian meaning!

Good luck on the class!

[OrionNeb87]

Hello! I just recently (after tons of research and meditation) have choosen to take the Egyptian path. Now I have to decide if Kemet, Kemetic Orthodoxy, Tameran, Egyptian Wicca, or Isian is right for me. lol I just wanted to let you all know that this thread has been a MAJOR help for me. :abanana:

[Khuinaset]

Hi....I've been following your thread and have found it very interesting.....and I have a question that is semi related.

I notice a few people have DARA in their user name somewhere. What does this mean in egyptian/ kemetic?

I googled it and all I got was: wisdom, compassion, angel of rain and rivers....but in Hebrew.

Anyway....I'm asking because I have a friend named Dara and she would find it cool to know her name has some egyptian meaning!

Good luck on the class!

I...don't think it means anything in AE. Not that I know of, anyways, but I might just be way off ;)


Here's what I'm thinking for the breakdown of sections (each of which will probably take weeks):

Part 1 -- Introduction
Part 2 -- The Gods
Part 3 -- Ma'at & Isfet
Part 4 -- The Religion
Part 5 -- The Myths & Legends
Part 6 -- Culture, Writing, Art, Architecture, Medicine, Food, Daily Life
Part 7 -- Concepts of Time and The Holidays
Part 8 -- Practices Today
Part 9 -- Student Questions & Conclusion

And kudos to anyone who realizes I deliberately left of History. I'm not particularly good at history. So if anyone else is, feel free to add a section on it. And please feel free to suggest any other sections, too.

That sounds great to me :D I have no problem with leaving out history, either, as covering all of Egyptian history would probably take as much time as the rest of the entire course put together...plus I'm not as well informed as I'd like to be.

[Loopaleigh]

I...don't think it means anything in AE. Not that I know of, anyways, but I might just be way off ;)

Oh....how disappointing :(

'Cause there's Darastar, Darakash, Gywndara......co-in-ci-dence? maybe.... hmmmmmm

[Redshire]

I'd like to take such a class. :)

[Ahautenites]

Oh....how disappointing :(

'Cause there's Darastar, Darakash, Gywndara......co-in-ci-dence? maybe.... hmmmmmm

I don't think it means anything in Kemetic, either. But I could be wrong. A lot of people feel called to other things before they take up these studies. You might try asking them individually what their names mean. That would solve the mystery rather nicely. :)

[coyoger]

I have read the lables and tags of the faith, but I wouldn't call myself any of them. I'm a follower of Anubis (and his kin) But I am also a Druid. I don't follow the old traditions set in the past, nor the modern versions. I just do what feels right to me. So I wouldn't call myself Kemetic because I don't follow the holidays/all the practices. I wouldn't call myself Tameran, really cuz I only follow one guy, faithfully. So I'm at a lost. At any rate it is nice to see others out there like myself.

[Ahautenites]

And yet I would call you a Tameran Pagan, if I had to narrow it down to just one label.... ;)

[akewa]

Hello all,

I have just read ALL the posts. I am not a member of HON or KO or even kemet. I do honor the Goddeses Bast, Het Heru. Not sure how I can describe myself these day for I started out Dianic Wiccan but have since been involved with druid path and celtic paths. Always still working with the Egyptian Goddesses and a few other Goddesses but not the Gods.

Years ago when I was discovering my egyptian connections I went into a Tameran temple which has since broken up. At that time Rev. Tamara of HON had a totally different bio up and it did not include this kingly ka thing. Even back in 2002 she never mentioned that so this is news to me. I know her from the Tameran group and had talked to her a couple of times online back then in 1996. She had already started HON then. The elders in my group were with her in HON but broke off because they did not like the way she was going back then. I see things have changed a bit and she has mellowed out. That is another story though and I am not dishing what she has done latly.

I am now a member of ADF which is not home to me at all for I can not follow the celitc patheon at all. What is interesting is that ADF is older than HON but HON is better organized from what I can see. Membership is about the same but HON is out stripping ADF because it hold its people.

I am not sure why I am relating all of this but it seems it needs to be. One thing I did notice on the HON site that you members might want to check out. Rev. Tamara does not give lessons outside of HON. Her reason is that is would devalue HON itself which I can understand because if the lessons are given everywhere something will be lost in time and miss information given. Since HON gives Free lessons to any that ask I see no need to do them else where. I mean why would one go to anything but the source for the right information. Food for thought there.

With all this said I have been in the pagan community for 20+ years now and I have seen many changes. Back when I was looking into the Tameran path I was able to get hold of the book about the Tameran path by Reed. It answered all the questions I have seen here about how to combine Egyptian and Wicca. I understand that Reed has put out some new books but from what I have heard not as good as the first on how to combine the two. Just a heads up for those interested it would be a book to look for it is call Tameran Wicca.

Well this is all for now. Those members of HON will be seeing me on the HON board I shall be taking the class just because I can and it will settle something for me. Not sure what we happen from the time will tell.

BTW can someone tell me when Bast festival and or birthday is? I think I remember seeing it way July 31. I would like to be sure its real important.

Thanks

[Ptah]

BTW can someone tell me when Bast festival and or birthday is? I think I remember seeing it way July 31. I would like to be sure its real important.

Thanks

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/calendar1.html (http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/calendar1.html)


According to this calendar, the next one is on Aug 27th. Sothis rises this year on July 17, adjust that calendar for the correct date. (add four days to all the dates on that calendar this year)Sunrise Sunday is the rising of Sothis. This is Isis as the morning star, Bast is a goddess of the east.. It was also considered the birthday of Ra, sunday would be a very good time to honor her (as Sekhmet/Bast/Ra)... at sunrise.

[Ishtara]

The Kemetic year is almost over and the Epagomenal days are upon us...

What are everyone's plans? Do you change the way you do ritual during these five very special days? How are you going to celebrate Wep Ronpet?

This will be my first New Year as a kemetic and I am quite excited! I am still looking for ideas to make it really special :)

[argento_occhi]

Honestly, I haven't given it much thought. I'm not even sure how to celebrate it. I suppose I'll have to do something, won't I? *thinks* I don't believe I've celebrated Wen Ronpet before, so it'll be the first time I'll celebrate it if I manage to get something organised. If I'm not too busy mind.

Argent

[Khuinaset]

It was also considered the birthday of Ra, sunday would be a very good time to honor her (as Sekhmet/Bast/Ra)... at sunrise.

Errr...Sekhmet/Bast/Ra? Can you explain?

I can't really help with the festivals, akewa. I can take a look at Feasts of Light for you, as that has a lot of the festivals listed, I'll do that later today and get back :) And have fun in the beginner's class...I'm getting divined tonight! :D

[argento_occhi]

Fingers crossed for the divination! Hope everything goes well. I better not say any more or I'll go all squeaky. Excuse that. I'm tired right now.

Argent

[Ishtara]

Congratulations in advance on your divination, Khuinaset! You must be so excited! :)

Here is the new year celebration I am planning so far: I would like to get up before sunrise on the day of Wep Ronpet and put all my statues and papyri out on the balcony to expose them to the rays of the morning sun, in the spirit of the Dendera festival.
Later in the morning, I will clean my apartment, focusing on getting rid of the clutter from last year and starting the new year with a clean slate by completing all the small home improvements projects left unfinished so far, like hanging frames or rearranging furniture.
Then I will decorate with lots of flowers and greenery, getting the place ready for company. And on Saturday evening, I will have a party with my friends where Egyptian food will be served.

I cannot wait! :bouncybob

[~Anamorata~]

The Kemetic year is almost over and the Epagomenal days are upon us...

What are everyone's plans? Do you change the way you do ritual during these five very special days? How are you going to celebrate Wep Ronpet?

This will be my first New Year as a kemetic and I am quite excited! I am still looking for ideas to make it really special :)

Going to Temple... _handclapp

[OrionNeb87]

Hello again!

I'm still reading this wonderful thread (only on page 20). I have some questions. I said before in my other post that I am very new to Kemet. I just recently felt called to it. Does anyone have any suggestions for some good reading material? I have tons of websites related to ancient Egypt in my favorites and I'll be checking out some books on ancient egypt at the library but I would also like some suggestions on Kemet related books. I have no idea where to start and can use all the help I can get. I have been meditating a lot trying to get in touch with the Netjer. I hope to feel a connection with one soon. But I know I have to be patient and wait for when they are ready to contact me. I am particularily interested in Djehuti because I read in the earlier posts that he is connected to science and I am very scientificly oriented. Also I have felt the presence of Isis recently. So who knows what can happen. :) I have been looking into that beginner class and am thinking of joining the newest one. Anyway, I guess I will continue reading this thread and everything else I can get my hands on about Egypt.

[akewa]

Errr...Sekhmet/Bast/Ra? Can you explain?

I can't really help with the festivals, akewa. I can take a look at Feasts of Light for you, as that has a lot of the festivals listed, I'll do that later today and get back :) And have fun in the beginner's class...I'm getting divined tonight! :D

Thank You Khuninaset and I hope your divining went well for you. I remeber a few years ago that I saw that Basts either birthday or fesitval was July 31. From what I have been reading it seems the calander changes every year more the the normal one does and festivals to do not keep the same dates. Makes things a bit confusing to say the least.

For those with HON how long would you say daily rite takes for you? This is just a curiosity thing with me for comparison.

Thanks again.

[Khuinaset]

Thank You Khuninaset and I hope your divining went well for you. I remeber a few years ago that I saw that Basts either birthday or fesitval was July 31. From what I have been reading it seems the calander changes every year more the the normal one does and festivals to do not keep the same dates. Makes things a bit confusing to say the least.

For those with HON how long would you say daily rite takes for you? This is just a curiosity thing with me for comparison.

Thanks again.

Thank you! I was divined sat Aset meryt Set, Wesir, her Nefertem. :) Wesir was a BIG surprise, but I'd actually had a dream a few weeks ago where I'd been divined sat Aset meryt Set with a few other beloveds, and I thought Nefertem was involved. I was surprised that he was my first beloved, though, exactly as in the dream. Anyways, thinking about it, Wesir and Nefertem are needed to balance out Aset and Set, LOL. Apparently I'm the first Aset chid with a Set beloved.

Senut takes about...30-40 minutes for me, depending on how long I spend doing personal time. And I checked in Feasts of Light(which is a book by Normandi Ellis, in case you're wondering, and come to think of it I'm not sure how she gave them dates, since the Egyptian calender moved and etc.), according to that the next Bast festival isn't until December 7th or thereabouts, and then there's another in April. That might very well be wrong though :)

OrionNeb, feel free to ask any questions, I'm sure there has to be SOMEONE here who can help you ;)

[argento_occhi]

Congrats on the RPD results! Nekhtet!

Argent

[Ishtara]

Congratulations Khuinaset! Thank you for posting the results of your divination! :)

akewa, I usually spend between 20 and 30 minutes doing ritual. However, I am not with the HoN so my version of Senut is probably not as elaborate as the Kemetic Orthodox one. But it is what feels comfortable and natural to me and so far the Names of Netjer I honour seem happy with it :)

[akewa]

Thank You both for the information on the calander and the time of rites.

Here is another question that I can not seem to the answer to. I have the book of Hathor Rising. I am reading it again for the fun of it. What are the thoughts about this book? Is it a good souce as information or stories go? Or does it have alot of misinformation in it?

Reason I ask I have only seen one place that lists it as a referance book. No one has it in their recomened book list. This makes me think it might not be that good on its information. The one place that did list it was the HetHert site but only as a referance.

Thanks again

[Ptah]

Errr...Sekhmet/Bast/Ra? Can you explain?

I'm sorry I missed this question, my apologies.

I suggested this time because it is the time of year when Isis (Sopdet/Sothis) coincides with the rising sun and Bast is a solar goddess of the east.

In Memphis, Bast was closely associated with Sekhmet (when she takes the form of HetHert, as the terrible power of the sun, Ra), hence Sekhmet/Bast/Ra. Her association with Sekhmet, also associates her with Isis. Isis (Aset) is the consort of Osiris (Wesrs/Asrs), who is one of the Memphite triune of Ptah/Seker/Asrs, and Sekhmet was considered the consort of Ptah.

Those are the associations I make. There were never any temples (at least none have been found to date) or known festivals for this Triune goddess. Which tends to make me believe, her worship took place in the temple of one of the Triune Goddesses or possibly at Denderah, in the temple of Hathor (HetHert) because of her association with Hathor. In all likelyhood, the goddess name, in this form, was a secret name for one or more of the aforemention goddesses, or for magickal use.

[OrionNeb87]

OrionNeb, feel free to ask any questions, I'm sure there has to be SOMEONE here who can help you ;)

Oh man I guess my major problem here is that I don't know where to begin. Should I start with the history? the religion? I'm going to Borders tomorrow since I need a new reading book but I was thinking of looking for a book that might help me get started or a book about all the gods/goddesses. I'm also submitting my application for the next HON class. Is anyone here planing on applying to that one? The other night as I was falling asleep I kept hearing strange names being shouted in my head. I tried really hard to remember them but come the next morning they were gone. :(

And on a side note on Mon, Tue, and Wed I'll be at the University of New Hampshire. My laptop for some reason doesn't recognize their internet connection so it'll be hard for to get online those days.

[Ishtara]

Oh man I guess my major problem here is that I don't know where to begin. Should I start with the history? the religion?

If you are attracted to reconstructionism (and it looks like you are since you applied for the HoN beginner's class), I would say start with history. A good general knowledge of the history of Ancient Egypt will not only give you bases on which to build as you delve further in spiritual matters, it will also help you separate the chafe from the grain in your readings and research. Historically inaccurate statements can be a sort of red flag and tell you to take the rest of the book or website with a grain of salt.
Religion was part and parcel of life in Kemet, so you will learn about religion while researching history anyway.


I'm also submitting my application for the next HON class. Is anyone here planing on applying to that one?
Yes, I am seriously considering it :)

[OrionNeb87]

Thank you Ishtara! I'll keep that all in mind when I go to Borders today. :D

[akewa]

I'm also submitting my application for the next HON class. Is anyone here planing on applying to that one?
.


Orion I also sent in my application for the next class. It will not be untill Sept. That is a long time but worth the wait. Ofcourse not sure what state i will be in since hubby put in for transfer around that time. That will not be a problem though. Welcome to the forum. :clapping:

[instinct]

.....yes... YESSS.... fresh meat...

:muwaha:

[argento_occhi]

....yes... YESSS.... fresh meat...

Goes very well with the nice pointy knife thing in your av too!

Argent

[OrionNeb87]

Orion I also sent in my application for the next class. It will not be untill Sept. That is a long time but worth the wait. Ofcourse not sure what state i will be in since hubby put in for transfer around that time. That will not be a problem though. Welcome to the forum. :clapping:

I'm very excited! I hope I get accepted. I start college in the fall so I hope that I will be able to set aside time for the classes. Its important to me so I'm sure I can find the time. :boing:


.....yes... YESSS.... fresh meat...
:woah: :lol:

[Ishtara]

.....yes... YESSS.... fresh meat...

:muwaha:

:imout:

Erm... er... well, I guess I will wait a little more before I send my application :yikess:

:lol:

[Khuinaset]

Ooh, you guys'll love it. It's so interesting and great food for thought, and the people are so nice. :)

errr...I mean...fresh meat! :T

Maybe we should revive the HoN thread...how many KOers do we have here now? Fourish?

[akewa]

Ooh, you guys'll love it. It's so interesting and great food for thought, and the people are so nice. :)

errr...I mean...fresh meat! :T

Maybe we should revive the HoN thread...how many KOers do we have here now? Fourish?


I almost thought of posting on that thread but since everyone was here I thought it best to post here.

Fresh meat indeed. :farmerjoe Warning has claws and they are legal. GrrrReeoow :hehehe:

[akewa]

OK I have a question/topic.
For those of us that have come from Other pagan paths. How do you handle the change from Earth Mother/Goddes to Earth Father/God?
Years ago when I came into my first path and then started finding out about the Egyptian Goddesses I studied the kemet religon a bit. One thing at the time I could not get over was Geb. I have since seen many different views so it is now easier to understand.
Ok Nut being the Mother of the gods is not hard to understand. To me I would think with the Nile flooding the eygptians would see the earth as female for the flooding would be like the birth waters being released. Now I know that Geb is not a major God figure. He was mostly looked over and his main association with NUT made him important. It almost seems to me that AE was not that agriculture attuned. They were more focused on the sky and the nile than the land.

[Redshire]

OK I have a question/topic.
For those of us that have come from Other pagan paths. How do you handle the change from Earth Mother/Goddes to Earth Father/God?
Years ago when I came into my first path and then started finding out about the Egyptian Goddesses I studied the kemet religon a bit. One thing at the time I could not get over was Geb. I have since seen many different views so it is now easier to understand.
Ok Nut being the Mother of the gods is not hard to understand. To me I would think with the Nile flooding the eygptians would see the earth as female for the flooding would be like the birth waters being released. Now I know that Geb is not a major God figure. He was mostly looked over and his main association with NUT made him important. It almost seems to me that AE was not that agriculture attuned. They were more focused on the sky and the nile than the land.

Well, I didn't come from another path really, it just took me a while to settle with this one (Kemetic Wiccan). I had no problem seeing the Earth as masculine, especially after an Environmental Science class.

Think about the nature of the earth element, and the general masculine force. For me, earth is stability and strength, it is the foundation upon which we all live, and die. If you take into consideration that the portion of Earth where life takes place is a combination of both earth and sky, that may help you.

Geb is one of the Names I work with, so I hope that helped?


em hotep!

[Ptah]

OK I have a question/topic.
For those of us that have come from Other pagan paths. How do you handle the change from Earth Mother/Goddes to Earth Father/God?
Years ago when I came into my first path and then started finding out about the Egyptian Goddesses I studied the kemet religon a bit. One thing at the time I could not get over was Geb. I have since seen many different views so it is now easier to understand.
Ok Nut being the Mother of the gods is not hard to understand. To me I would think with the Nile flooding the eygptians would see the earth as female for the flooding would be like the birth waters being released. Now I know that Geb is not a major God figure. He was mostly looked over and his main association with NUT made him important. It almost seems to me that AE was not that agriculture attuned. They were more focused on the sky and the nile than the land.

OK lets wrap our brains around this...

There are two potentials needed for creation, Assertive and Receptive. We can, for these purposes, consider assertive male and receptive female. At all times, the assertive must be smaller than the receptive sheath. The receptive must be large enough to accept the assertive force, or it will be destroyed. If you consider that relationship of Nut (the Unvierse/Milky Way) and Geb (the Earth) you can see how this relationship plays out. The Earth is much smaller than the universe.

However, there are Egyptian earth goddesses, too. Tatanent, in relationship to Osiris (god of the underworld) manifests foliage and greenery. In this case, Osiris is the (smaller) seed planted in the (greater) earth. Therefore the earth becomes female, Tatanent (or Isis, in some schools of thought).

[OrionNeb87]

Ok its question time.
These are probably dumb questions but they've been bugging me.

Say you have a piece of jewelery or a poem you want to dedicate... are you only supposed to dedicate it to one diety or can you dedicate it to more than one? And my other question was how would you go about the dedication or is that something more personal?

Thanks :D

[Khuinaset]

Ok its question time.
These are probably dumb questions but they've been bugging me.

Say you have a piece of jewelery or a poem you want to dedicate... are you only supposed to dedicate it to one diety or can you dedicate it to more than one? And my other question was how would you go about the dedication or is that something more personal?

Thanks :D

It depends on the diety. For some dieties(Aset comes to mind..she does NOT like sharing), it probably would not be a good idea. For other ones, I don't think they'd mind. Nefertem and Wesir probably wouldn't mind sharing an offering. Ask them and see! :)

The dedication depends on you. You can put it on the altar and say "here, it's your's" or do something nice and elaborate ;)

[OrionNeb87]

Ok I'm glad you mentioned that about Aset. :D

[Khuinaset]

Ok I'm glad you mentioned that about Aset. :D

Yes, it's something you'll learn fast if someone doesn't warn you beforehand ;)

[Ptah]

Ok its question time.
These are probably dumb questions but they've been bugging me.

Say you have a piece of jewelery or a poem you want to dedicate... are you only supposed to dedicate it to one diety or can you dedicate it to more than one?

You can most assuredly dedicate it to the Paut Neteru. Many poems were written to the Paut. Poems, by their very nature, are works of Th-th (or NeferTem). But, I am not sure what you mean by dedicating a piece of jewelry. The Egyptians , of course, gave offerings to their gods. As such, the piece would be forfeit. Are you wanting to consecrate it for use in ritual to diety(s)?


And my other question was how would you go about the dedication or is that something more personal?

Actually, this goes to my question. To dedicate it would mean constructing a temple or altar and doing so. The act is enough. If you are wanting to embue the divine power of diety(s), construct a temple (a sacred space acceptable to diety) and invoke a blessing from said diety(s) for the item. If you wish to consecrate the item you can do so in many ways. Which I would be happy to cover with you, if you wish. That is why I ask the prior questions, I am a little confused as to what you wish to do.

[OrionNeb87]

I'm sorry I wasn't sure of the right words to use. Yes I was talking about consecrating it for use in ritual. I would definitely like to learn more Ptah. :)

[Ptah]

I'm sorry I wasn't sure of the right words to use. Yes I was talking about consecrating it for use in ritual. I would definitely like to learn more Ptah. :)

I am supposing you will be doing this in a sacred space.(like a circle).

Here is what I do:

I cast circle, in the quadrants I have a candle, a bowl of salt, cup of water and a stick of incense. You would set up the circle with the the diety you feel is the most representative of you and the piece you wish to consecrate on a central atar. In my case, it would be Ptah and Sekhmet. Whoever you choose is up to you. I then bring each of the elemental representation to the central altar take the piece and say something like,"I bless and consecrate this (whatever) with the element of (element)for purpose of (state your purpose). I would then take the elemental representation (say water) and sprinkle or dab water on the item. Pass the item through the flame, sprinkle salt or sand on it, and pass it through the smoke of the incense. Say a version of the above with each element. Then you would ask the diety's blessing on it. After that, put your energy into it saying much the same thing as above, only say spirit. It is then consecrated for use in ritual or any magickal working.

I must warn you, you will not like anyone else touching it. Anyone elses touch will feel foul to you and make you cringe. You will know if someone touches it even if you are not wearing it. So store it in a safe place when not being used in ritual. As a consecrated item, it would be what you wear every time you step into circle or do a magickal working. It will become part of your vestment.

[akewa]

Hello all,

Does anyone here know about the time line of religion. What I am looking for is there a religion before AE that AE might have gotten some of their gods and dogma from? I was reading something and someone posted that Sumeria was older and there was another older than that. Thing is there is no history whats so ever on them and I do not know where they were located. All the religions of today come after AE and are from AE in some way. Except maybe the eastern religions. It is just something I am curious about.

akewa

[OrionNeb87]

Hello all,

Does anyone here know about the time line of religion. What I am looking for is there a religion before AE that AE might have gotten some of their gods and dogma from? I was reading something and someone posted that Sumeria was older and there was another older than that. Thing is there is no history whats so ever on them and I do not know where they were located. All the religions of today come after AE and are from AE in some way. Except maybe the eastern religions. It is just something I am curious about.

akewa

Thats an interesting question. :D At the library I had saw a book called something like Egypt Before the Pharohs or maybe it was Prehistoric Egypt. I wish I could remember... it might hold the answer or something close. *shrugs*

[Magus Phoenix]

I, too, am a follower of Set. I've compiled some good info on His Majesty on my website:
http://magusphoenix.tripod.com/id2.html

[Romani Vixen]

OK I have a question/topic.
For those of us that have come from Other pagan paths. How do you handle the change from Earth Mother/Goddes to Earth Father/God?
Years ago when I came into my first path and then started finding out about the Egyptian Goddesses I studied the kemet religon a bit. One thing at the time I could not get over was Geb. I have since seen many different views so it is now easier to understand.
Ok Nut being the Mother of the gods is not hard to understand. To me I would think with the Nile flooding the eygptians would see the earth as female for the flooding would be like the birth waters being released. Now I know that Geb is not a major God figure. He was mostly looked over and his main association with NUT made him important. It almost seems to me that AE was not that agriculture attuned. They were more focused on the sky and the nile than the land.

Em hotep!

I find it important to remember that the Netjeru (and all Gods imho) aren't male or female. These are things that our feble little brains use. The Divine simply *is*.

You might try a meditation on the Earth as a Divine representation. What is the earth to you? What function does it serve? ***Why do you 'worship' the Earth?*** This last one I feel is very important to determne what form of the Divine representation you use. You could also just try talking to Geb a little bit. Tell him about your delima. :)

Senebty!

Sara/Romani/HedgeWych

[Agaliha]

Hello all,

Does anyone here know about the time line of religion. What I am looking for is there a religion before AE that AE might have gotten some of their gods and dogma from? I was reading something and someone posted that Sumeria was older and there was another older than that. Thing is there is no history whats so ever on them and I do not know where they were located. All the religions of today come after AE and are from AE in some way. Except maybe the eastern religions. It is just something I am curious about.
akewa

Humm...
Mesopotamia is older than Egypt, I know that for sure. Sumeria is part of Mesopotamia. There is plently of history on the Mesopotamian religion and Gods ;).

Here is something I got from a timeline on Ancient History:


(there's more before these)
18,000 B.C.
Cro-Magnons replaced by later cultures.
15,000 B.C.
Migrations across Bering Straits into the Americas.
10,000 B.C.
Semi-permanent agricultural settlements in Old World.
10,000–4,000 B.C.
Development of settlements into cities and development of skills such as the wheel, pottery, and improved methods of cultivation in Mesopotamia and elsewhere.
5500–3000 B.C.
Predynastic Egyptian cultures develop (5500–3100 B.C.); begin using agriculture (c. 5000 B.C.). Earliest known civilization arises in Sumer (4500–4000 B.C.). Earliest recorded date in Egyptian calendar (4241 B.C.). First year of Jewish calendar (3760 B.C.). First phonetic writing appears (c. 3500 B.C.). Sumerians develop a city-state civilization (c. 3000 B.C.). Copper used by Egyptians and Sumerians. Western Europe is neolithic, without metals or written records.
3000–2000 B.C.
Pharaonic rule begins in Egypt. King Khufu (Cheops), 4th dynasty (2700–2675 B.C.), completes construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza (c. 2680 B.C.). The Great Sphinx of Giza (c. 2540 B.C.) is built by King Khafre. Earliest Egyptian mummies. Papyrus. Phoenician settlements on coast of what is now Syria and Lebanon. Semitic tribes settle in Assyria. Sargon, first Akkadian king, builds Mesopotamian empire. The Gilgamesh epic (c. 3000 B.C.). Abraham leaves Ur (c. 2000 B.C.). Systematic astronomy in Egypt, Babylon, India, China.
3000–1500 B.C.
The most ancient civilization on the Indian subcontinent, the sophisticated and extensive Indus Valley civilization, flourishes in what is today Pakistan. In Britain, Stonehenge erected according to some unknown astronomical rationale. Its three main phases of construction are thought to span c. 3000–1500 B.C.
For the rest: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001198.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001198.html)


I don't know if that was what you were talking about...
A lot of the great civilizations started on their own, and by rivers.
Mesopotamia first on the Tigris and Euphrates
Egypt on the Nile
Indus on the Indus river
China on the Yellow river

And they all developted their own religion and beliefs. Once the populations flourished there was mass migration and exchange of these ideas.
Where Mesopotamia got their religion, we don't know.
As far as I know (I took ancient history 2 quarters ago) there weren't travel between Egypt and Mesopotamia early on in Egypt's making. Egypt didn't get their religion from them or anyone else. India developed on their own, with the Vedas being the worlds oldest scriptures. China was on their own as well.
So no, not all the religions today come from Egypt or after! Manny of these civilizations were developing independently on their own with no clue as to what the land called Egpyt was.
The only ones that one could say "came" from Egypt are Judiasm, Christianity and Islam-- if you believe the Jews took the idea of Aten to their own tradition and created their Faith based on Egyptian ideas they learned while in exile... From Judiasm came Christianity and from that Islam...oh and you could even say Baha'i. But not all religions...