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youngrose
May 16th, 2004, 12:43 AM
Here's a problem that radals me a little What is real (i don't mean im hulusenating) I mean if enough people preseve some thing dose that make it real are fairys real if some one tells you some thing that sounds weird do you believe them or are they crazy :whatgives :braindrai :confused:

Pesha
May 16th, 2004, 12:52 PM
What is real to me may not be real to someone else. Are the Fae real....to me they are. In my heart and in my mind I see my world as having fae, and dragons and all forms of magick. So what is real......what ever you in your heart of hearts want to be real is dear.

BB
DS.

Kaylara
May 16th, 2004, 01:22 PM
I believe in the Fae. But I don't believe that they are the sweet innocent beings that many people take them to be. I've encountered a few, and due to my skeptical nature, have to have things proven to me before I believe that they do actually exist. I would say, believe it if you think it's true. Don't just take people's words on things until you believe it yourself.

David
May 16th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Pffffft Real

Nothing can be "proven" real. EVERYTHING is a matter of perception... of course I CAN'T PROVE THAT...

And if you don't like me... remember you made me up!

.... .... OH BOGGINS .... I have an idea!

Emerald Oak
May 16th, 2004, 01:26 PM
Reality is anything you can experience.

And that means, yes, Big Brother is real. He is watching @.@

Shanti
May 16th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Its all individual perspective.

9-2-2
May 16th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Reality is more malleable than meets the eye. Do you believe in faeries? Okay, they're there. No? Then they aren't. It's all a matter of this situation: Faeries DO exist, they ARE a type of spirit, but if you don't believe, are you simply shutting off your awareness of them? It happens often, too often. Belief can hinder as much as it can build. If you got enough people to warp consensual reality by putting their belief (or unbelief) towards faeries, you can make them as real or unreal as possible...

Boogins
May 16th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Pffffft Real

Nothing can be "proven" real. EVERYTHING is a matter of perception... of course I CAN'T PROVE THAT...

And if you don't like me... remember you made me up!

.... .... OH BOGGINS .... I have an idea!

Hurry up and write it down! :D

Infinite Muse
May 16th, 2004, 11:46 PM
ok .. how does reality and schizophrenia compare to each other? someone who is schizo (like medically), perceives all this stuff, and they are told nooo noo ... thats not real, you must needs take medication to fix it .... :rollseyes
see .. i think there is a "consensus" on what reality is and the majority of people fall into that consensized zone where the perception of reality is all the same and considered ... well .. "normal" or "the norm" due to its popularity
so sure .. if enough people perceive seomthing, it makes its way into reality based consensus of really truly existing (eg .. the earth used to be flat because that was how it was perceived by the vast majority)
and those on the outside who did not perceive the consensus norm were considered outsiders; the same goes for those who perceive "more" than what "exists" in the consensus
oh man i feel so constrained by the language right now; there are not enough words to express what i mean to express
sorry for my ineptitude

asamananara
May 16th, 2004, 11:59 PM
We operate in what I call the interface of consensus. With 6 billion
unique human perspectives defining the world at this moment, where each
individual draws upon her exclusive experiences and perception of
local patterns, no one person's understanding of reality could
be determined as any more valid than that of another. However,
we exist within a society of exchange, where the manipulation
of symbols is stock and trade for the species. Therefore, the only
means of comparison between reality-sets is through language.
If you cannot meaningfully express an idea, it has no value outside
of your own headspace. Through the meaningful exchange of perspectives
society arrives at a sliding scale of consensus. How "crazy" a certain
understanding of reality is depends on how far from the proverbial center
of the scale it may fall. No ONE person is mad. He is only
mad when among his brothers.
When a person is confronted with an experience which seems out
of phase with the consensus, she will invariably understand it
in contemporary terms. Three people experiencing the same phenomenon
may define it in three, possibly contradictory, ways. One may
understand it in terms of having seen a fairy. Another may
appreciate the same experience as an alien encounter. Yet
another, as an angelic vision. Whatever their psycholinguistic
paradigm allows. As Robert Anton Wilson once quipped:
Reality is what you make it.

Dextra
May 17th, 2004, 12:02 AM
ok .. how does reality and schizophrenia compare to each other? someone who is schizo (like medically), perceives all this stuff, and they are told nooo noo ... thats not real, you must needs take medication to fix it .... :rollseyes
see .. i think there is a "consensus" on what reality is and the majority of people fall into that consensized zone where the perception of reality is all the same and considered ... well .. "normal" or "the norm" due to its popularity
so sure .. if enough people perceive seomthing, it makes its way into reality based consensus of really truly existing (eg .. the earth used to be flat because that was how it was perceived by the vast majority)
and those on the outside who did not perceive the consensus norm were considered outsiders; the same goes for those who perceive "more" than what "exists" in the consensus

Ok, first of all, my brother is schizophrenic. I don't know if you intended that to be funny, or what, but I found it offensive. And there is a huge difference in what reality is or isn't and if someone is schizophrenic. Whether or not certain mythological stories, creatures, gods and goddesses, or other such things are real is a matter of perception of reality.

My brother showed up at my house two years ago telling me that he wrote Eminem's last album, got paid $48,000, had it stolen by someone he hasn't seen in 15 years, people snuck in his apartment and were talking to him in his sleep, and were telling him to kill himself because there was a big conspiracy with everyone he knew to kill him. THAT is schizophrenia. And it's a scary thing. Nothing to joke about. Choose your words a little more wisely in the future.


oh man i feel so constrained by the language right now; there are not enough words to express what i mean to express
sorry for my ineptitude

I'm in total agreement with you there. :grrrrr:

Old Witch
May 17th, 2004, 12:10 AM
I don't believe reality is the same for anyone........Meaning my reality is not your reality.....and I'm sure if I try to explain how that works I will get a BIG headache.........

Infinite Muse
May 17th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Ok, first of all, my brother is schizophrenic. I don't know if you intended that to be funny, or what, but I found it offensive.
it was not meant to be funny or offensive; i have dealt with one side of schizophrenia, so i know. anyways, apologies.

Boogins
May 17th, 2004, 12:53 AM
ok .. how does reality and schizophrenia compare to each other? someone who is schizo (like medically), perceives all this stuff, and they are told nooo noo ... thats not real, you must needs take medication to fix it .... :rollseyes
see .. i think there is a "consensus" on what reality is and the majority of people fall into that consensized zone where the perception of reality is all the same and considered ... well .. "normal" or "the norm" due to its popularity
so sure .. if enough people perceive seomthing, it makes its way into reality based consensus of really truly existing (eg .. the earth used to be flat because that was how it was perceived by the vast majority)
and those on the outside who did not perceive the consensus norm were considered outsiders; the same goes for those who perceive "more" than what "exists" in the consensus
oh man i feel so constrained by the language right now; there are not enough words to express what i mean to express
sorry for my ineptitude

As a severe manic-depressive, I am with Dextra here. I think you've been overly influenced by Ken Kesey. It's time to throw the VHS copy of "One Flew OVer The Cuckoo's Nest" out for good.

Nighthawk
May 17th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Well, I was going to post there, but have decided not to, since I know I will offend someone. I will say, it is subjective.

Romani Vixen
May 17th, 2004, 06:50 PM
It's all a matter of perception. And really there is no way to really prove it. Because that would be based on communication, which is also based on perception.

What is insanity?

Then again, what is sanity?

Romani Vixen
May 17th, 2004, 06:54 PM
I don't believe reality is the same for anyone........Meaning my reality is not your reality.....and I'm sure if I try to explain how that works I will get a BIG headache.........
That's what I mean!!! lol

charmedkisses1
May 17th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Well, If I think life is a dream, it doesn't mean life IS a dream, you know? It all depends.