London car bomb

[ladyrowan]

News has just come in that a large car bomb has gone off in Ealing Broadway, London. People have been hurt, but no news yet of any fatalities.
It is thought that it was the IRA, and that there was a warning beforehand, but nothing has been confirmed yet.
I think it is so terribly sad that this is still happening, wasted lives, and why? Because of religion.
Why can't everyone accept that we all have different beliefs, different opinions, and just get on with their own lives.
Even here, on Mystick Wicks, I've seen arguments about differences - I refuse to become involved in any of them because it is all so pointless.
There are many of us fighting to save Mother Earth, while there are other people trying to destroy one another - can't they see what is really important?
Why can't we all just live in peace? At times like this i despair for our survival.

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[Rævyn Cigány]

*sigh* I hear ya...

"Why can't we all just get along????????????????"

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Rae )0(

[reanna]

*shakes head in disbelief


terrible.... absolutely terrible...

[Socharis]

Its all over the news. Luckily it was a large bomb and nobody was harmed. It could have been a helluva lot worse.

[Mooncrow]

I've never understood terrorism in the name of peace.......but blowing up cars just keeps the auto companies in business


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Mooncrow

My thoughts and prayers go out to those damaged or harmed in this catastrophe, having roots in Eire, I've never comprehended the reasoning to the "troubles"

[Niamh]

I heard about that at work...

There were no fatalities, and the police think it was the work of a group called "The Real IRA" not the IRA itself that we all know and love
(yes, that was full of sarcasm...)

When you've got a group called the IRA and an off-shoot para-military group calling themselves the Real IRA, it gets confusing. The IRA agreed to a cease fire a few years ago and has been involved in peace talks. The Real IRA basically picked up where the other guys left off. Nice, huh?

The whole thing makes me insane. The father of one of my friends was killed in some cross fire in Belfast not long after he was born.

The whole situation can get me incredibly angry. Why can't people just sit down like adults and straigten things out?! I know, I know. We don't live in a perfect world...

[Rævyn Cigány]

Originally posted by Socharis
Its all over the news. Luckily it was a large bomb and nobody was harmed. It could have been a helluva lot worse.

Thank the Goddess for that!!!

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Rae )0(

[slvr_phoenix]

Death and pain are always sad. Luckily no one was killed.

But there's another side to things too. If humanity had long ago learned to put aside it's 'isms and love one another, today the world would be so overpopulated that we'd all be dying from starvation and disease.

Either way, death is unavoidable. After all, we all have to die sometime. Which is worse, to die quickly from a gunshot (such as the case of Niamh's friend's father) or in a car accident (in the case of my father), or to die old and alone, neglected and left in some old-folks home where they treat you more like an animal than a person and you have to suffer the humiliation of losing a hold of your mind and your bowels, if not much worse because your family couldn't be bothered with looking after you themselves after all you've done for them? Sometimes I think the terrorists are doing the world a much bigger favor than anyone, including themselves, realise.

[ladyrowan]

Originally posted by slvr_phoenix
Death and pain are always sad. Luckily no one was killed.

But there's another side to things too. If humanity had long ago learned to put aside it's 'isms and love one another, today the world would be so overpopulated that we'd all be dying from starvation and disease.

Either way, death is unavoidable. After all, we all have to die sometime. Which is worse, to die quickly from a gunshot (such as the case of Niamh's friend's father) or in a car accident (in the case of my father), or to die old and alone, neglected and left in some old-folks home where they treat you more like an animal than a person and you have to suffer the humiliation of losing a hold of your mind and your bowels, if not much worse because your family couldn't be bothered with looking after you themselves after all you've done for them? Sometimes I think the terrorists are doing the world a much bigger favor than anyone, including themselves, realise.


I really can't believe what I've just read.

I started this thread because I was deeply upset at yet another bombing, as are thousands of compassionate people.
And you turn it into a discussion into "which is the worse way to die?"
And then you say terrorists are doing us a favour?? I can only hope that this remark was some feeble attempt at a joke.
These thugs target places where they know they will get the largest number of people, including children. This particular bomb was outside 2 busy pubs and timed to go off just after closing time.
In their attacks, many are killed, but a greater number are maimed for life. Still "doing us a favour"?
Next you'll be telling us Hitler had the right idea.

If you really want to enlighten us on the merits of terrorism, might i suggest that you start a new thread for the subject so that we can ignore it, instead of getting so completely, and offensively, off topic?

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[slvr_phoenix]

It wasn't a joke.

It was on topic.

There was nothing offensive about it.

And I never said that I appreciated what terrorists do or that I believe them to be in the right.

I simply said that as painful as violence and death are, they are also intrinsically a part of life. Were we to somehow magickally abolish all terrorism across the whole world, there would still be violence, death, and suffering. The instrument to cause them would simply change.

Yes, the car bombing was sick. Thankfully this time no one was hurt. I already said as much. What more is there to say on the subject? According to ladyrowan, nothing. So I'll just say it again.

It's sick sick sick sick sick. It's sad sad sad sad sad. And thank the Goddess that no one was killed. It's sick sick sick sick sick. It's sad sad sad sad sad. And thank the Goddess that no one was killed. It's sick sick sick sick sick. It's sad sad sad sad sad. And thank the Goddess that no one was killed. It's sick sick sick sick sick. It's sad sad sad sad sad. And thank the Goddess that no one was killed. It's sick sick sick sick sick. It's sad sad sad sad sad. And thank the Goddess that no one was killed.

After a while, it gets repetitive, doesn't it? So tie me up and gag me for trying to make people think for themselves for a change of pace.

ladyrowan, instead of getting so hostile, why don't you try thinking for a change? Why don't you debate my points and try to prove me wrong instead of just insulting me? Why don't you answer a challenge with love and thoughtfullness instead of hostility?

And try living by your own words before you expect someone else to adhere to them. If you want an answer to, "Why can't we all just live in peace?", you've just answered your own question by becoming hostile towards me for merely stating a different opinion than yours.

[ladyrowan]

Originally posted by slvr_phoenix
Sometimes I think the terrorists are doing the world a much bigger favor than anyone, including themselves, realise.

"There was nothing offensive about it. "



You may not have deliberately meant offence, but I was offended by it, therefore it was offensive. You should realise that a remark like that will offend anyone who has been affected by the subject in question.

I do not need you or anyone else to make me think about this. I have had many years to think about it for myself and so have no wish to 'debate' this painful topic any further than i already have.

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[Semele]

slvr-phoenix,

While I completely see the point you were trying to make it did come out a little harsh to say the least. Perhaps in a different place and worded a little differntly it wouldn't have been recieved as offensive. Who knows? Yes death is necessary in all things in order for new growth, but to point it out during the mourning period seems a little haneous to me. Just my opinion.

However, your comments about Ladyrowan thinking for once was offensive in nature. Did you read that before you posted it? Perhaps you may want to...from her perspective.

[gunner]

i agree semele, there is no justification for terrorism, it is a form of "war" twisted against innocents, unarmed and defensless by people who have deceived themselves with "the end justifies the means" and continue to murder even when they have no "cause" left. as to the post it was offensive to lady rowan and others, i think who didn't choose to speak out.

as moderator, words do have points, too sharp ones sometimes that hurt our friends. stop and think before you hit the "send" button, "what will this do when it lands". there may be a better way to make your point.

[Semele]

After a couple of conversations with Slvr-phoenix via pm, we have made some headway here. We fussed at each other and explained our take on things and then we really listened to each other. While we still disagree slightly on the topic of whether or not his post was offensive, we have agreed on some other points.

For instance he told me that my posting my views can often be seen as "the law" even if I specify that I am not in mod mode. I do see his point and I wanted to stress now that my post was in no way a moderation...merely my opinion that it was offensive. Also slvr-phoenix had expressed to me that he didn't understand what I meant by mourning period since noone died. I explained to him that you don't have to have lost lives to mourne. He thought about it and then agreed with me.

So you see there are good things that come out of disagreements. We both learned something through this. That, I think is an awesome benefit to the community. Learning and growing with others. Sure we may bite each others heads off from time to time, but the love is there none the less.

[slvr_phoenix]

I've spent some time meditating on the matter and I do see where I was wrong about something. I wish to offer an apology to everyone. Normally I'd imagine such would be done by PM. However, in this case as I may very well have offended everyone, I hope you moderators are willing to overlook that and let me say it here instead where it can reach eveyone at once.

I shouldn't have been so sarcastic in my second post. It belittled everyone's feelings of sympathy, and that was something I just shouldn't have done. I was wrong to do it, and I appologize.

Further, if any of my other words were offensive, then I appologize for that as well. They were not said with any intent of being offensive. They were said to hopefully provoke thought and start a discussion.

I would like to point out one thing though. I believe my words have been taken considerably out of context and grossly mis-interpreted. I said, "SOMETIMES I THINK", which is offering an opinion, not stating a fact. And it isn't even a devoted opinion at that, but merely an occasional one.

I also didn't say that I condoned the act, nor that I appreciated it. I simply suggested that perhaps it does more good than anyone intended. That however does not mean that the act is therefor good itself. An evil act that does more of a favor than anyone realises is still an evil act. And as such I still detest it. I said absolutely nothing which justifies terrorism. Yet everyone seems to be taking it that way.

So if you all somehow still feel that my occasional oppinion that sometimes terrorism is less evil than it's practicioners intended it to be is offensive, then so be it. You're each entitled to your own opinions. But even then, maybe you should also consider that so am I.

So as much as I do apologize for any offense that my words have caused, I still don't retract my original opinions.

If that causes hardships between us, then so be it. I have offered my opinion, which I have every right to hold, which does not belittle anyone's beliefs nor personhood. Perhaps it was stated a little too soon as it offered little time for grief, and I do appologize for my later use of sarcasm. For that I was wrong. For that I am sorry. I however am not sorry for the opinion that I have nor for the ways anyone might mis-interpret my words.

I hope that there can be a mutual peace between us. I hold no ill-will for anyone here.

[Semele]

I am bumping this back to the top because I feel it is an awesome example of the community learning and growing together.

[Sequoia]

Semele - hai, an excellent example.

slvr_pheonix - Some of what you said did ring true, although at a bad time, and I'm glad that everything was resolved. Your opinion is greatly valued, as is everyone's. I'm glad it turned out ok. :)