Anti-Witchcraft Website

[MystyPines]

Surfing the web, I came across the following website:

http://www.sounddoctrine.com/ptimes/

Tammy Ritche, the webmistress, bills her site as "Fundamental, Bible-believing, King James 1611 Bible only, Pre-Tribulation, Independent Baptist Christian" It doesn't matter whether you are gay, lesbian, Pagan, Satanist, feminist, Freemason, pro-choice, a supporter of the New World Order, or concerned about Mother Earth. This web site "is disgusted" by your "agenda." She appears link a wide variety of religions with Satanism: "I will continue to speak out against witchcraft, wicca, paganism, satanism and other assorted "fruitcake" "religions". I will not be silenced by the evil minions of Satan and if you practice any of the above rest assured you are a HELPER OF SATAN whether you admit it or not!!!" AOL apparently removed her site because its content violated their standards. She has since moved to the Sound Doctrine website which is sponsored by the Open Door Baptist Church. Their standards must be quite different from AOL's.

She originated a "Say NO to Witchcraft" campaign & pledge on 1999-MAR-24. She promises that it "will continue as long as the Lord Jesus Christ so leds [sic] this ministry to do so." We have not been able to find out what the wording of her pledge is; it does not appear to be on her web site. There is a copyrighted graphic associated with the campaign: she has taken a white ribbon, of the form used to oppose child pornography, and superimposed a phrase: "Say No to Witchcraft in America Campaign." We would show her graphic here, except she does not allow it to be displayed on sites which promote Neopaganism, Satanism or religious tolerance. She threatens legal action that might lead to a $200,000 fine if we show it. You can view it yourself by going to: http://www.sounddoctrine.com/ptimes/nowitch-ribbon.gif

She expressed alarm about the 1997-NOV "Blessed Be and Meet Me in D.C." gathering of Wiccans and other Neopagans in Washington DC. She commented: "These people work 365 days a year to destroy America and corrupt our youth for the devil and Halloween will be their 'all out' day in Washington DC. I want Christians to pray about this and pray that the rituals that will be done at this 'march' in front of the Jefferson Memorial will not adversely affect America. We have enough problems. We don't need witch curses too." [Wiccans don't corrupt youth; most covens will not allow underage persons to join their group. They don't recognize the devil, who is a Christian semi-deity, not a Neopagan one. The rituals performed in Washington were positive ones, for the good of all. And, of course, no curses were recited.]

Some random excerpts from her web site:

She refers to one of the Wiccan deities as "a whorish female 'goddess' (demon) who encourages them to do ANYTHING and everything their sin-sick minds can imagine."

"...make the month of October a whole month of awareness of the dangers and deathtraps of paganism and how it leads one (including your children) into eternal Hell."

"The [Wiccan] lord is not our [Christian] Lord, but the lord of darkness."

[Rævyn Cigány]

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH


I cannot believe the absolute.....grrrrr....I'm just too mad to say anything else!!! But thank you for posting this Mysty...just goes to show that there are always some Christians who give all the others a bad name (good thing we have such a wonderful guy as EP around here or I'd be storming the Vatican right now!!!)

BB

Rae )0(

[Myst]

There are countless websites of this style on the 'net. Some more amusing then others. Actually I think I've seen that one before. It's been around awhile, and there's nothing to do about it. Evidently the web master is not breaking the rules of his server and thus there's not much to be done.

Getting angry about these sites just harvests negative energy.:(

[Kaylara]

She's been away for a while... I just consider her a nut... She is a fundamentalist. So I will let her spout her oral diarreha, and ignore her as is my right... I honestly think that she has a much better chance of helping her cause if she was nice, but that's just me....

Kaylara

[Earth Walker]

I could say a lot about this, but alas, I would be found to be
"offensive"...so, no comment. :mad:


She who is NOT to be interrupted!
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:bad: toda bone

[Earth Walker]

Only one word to describe that site, and others like it:

CRAPOLA!


She who is NOT to be interrupted!
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:bad: toda bone

[bluecat]

Tammy has been around for quite a while. I have had run-ins with her (on the net) myself. She used to send me some pretty vile e-mail, in the name of her God of course.

You will not change her mind or her agenda, but it's good to know that there are people out there like that because then you can be better prepared when you are confronted by them.

The only thing I can say is to not respond to her because she will just twist anything you say and she will have your e-mail address, that is not a good thing.

She is not rational, IMHO, and cannot be reasoned with.

Just my 2 pennies.

Blue

[Mooncrow]

they'd have gotten the message he was sending, but all they (fanatical Christians) can do is "judge" .....

Didn't he say "Judge ye not...."?


BB

Mooncrow

[Semele]

ROFLMAO!!!

oh hee hee...sorry

I'm done now...no wait there comes another wave

LOL!!!
8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
:crazy:

Am I the only one that see the humor in this?? I mean who does she really think she is hurting with this drivel? The only one who will listen to her seriously are those of a like mind and in that case...sister you are preaching to the quior sp?....aaahhhh...I can't spell...help! that is an easy easy word to spell...what's going on??? Must have been all that laughing!!!

Someone please help me out with this spelling delimma!!!

Oh well...my point is...tis better to laugh than to allow this garbage to affect us on a mental level...because face it...no other way for it to harm us or "kick" us off our chosen paths!!!

just my nickels worth!

[Kaylara]

Choir.

Kaylara

[Semele]

Originally posted by Kaylara
Choir.

Kaylara

DOH!!!

*slaps head*

Ever have that happen to you where you can't spell a word you know you know???

I must be losing my mind. Guess thats the price I pay for trying to write a darned poem!!!

[Myst]

Originally posted by Semele


DOH!!!

*slaps head*

Ever have that happen to you where you can't spell a word you know you know???

I must be losing my mind. Guess thats the price I pay for trying to write a darned poem!!!

Here, have another drink 8O

[Semele]

Originally posted by WillowRaven


Here, have another drink 8O

Now theres an idea!!

Hey if you drink before noon does that make you a lush???

awe...never mind only ten more minutes to wait anyway!!!

[MystyPines]

Well, after I looked at the first website, at the bottom of it had a List Bot-join email list. So I did, I put in:

F**kyourself@biblethumper.com.

Sorry! I couldn't help it! 8O

[Myst]

Originally posted by Semele


Now theres an idea!!

Hey if you drink before noon does that make you a lush???

awe...never mind only ten more minutes to wait anyway!!!

That's ok, it's 1 here, so we'll say you're not a lush ;)

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by MystyPines
Well, after I looked at the first website, at the bottom of it had a List Bot-join email list. So I did, I put in:

F**kyourself@biblethumper.com.

Sorry! I couldn't help it! 8O


bwahahahahabwaaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaha....gasping for air:eek:
8O 8O 8O


She who is NOT to be interruted!
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:bad: toda bone
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Meaner than a junkyard Cat:meanface:

[Danustouch]

All I can say is GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....

And boy...won't SHE be surprised when she reaches the other side. I can just see her face, when she comes not before the Wrathful, jealous God that she imagines...but a Tribune...

Jesus, Mohammud, B'haullah (sp), The Goddess, The God, Etc, etc


I can just see them just looking on her, with sadness and pity in their eyes...shaking their heads in unison...and saying...

"How sad..you missed the WHOLE point"....

Anyway..that's MY fantasy of what will happen!

[MystyPines]

So this Tammy Ritchie is known for her anti-everything? I never heard of her before. Apparently, she is an AOL person. Sorry, I never got to bump into her in the "Ask a Witch" room when I used to be subscribed to AOL.

[marevard]

The worst thing about this is that not only people of ' the same mind' will follow her on the bandwagon, but also children who might be around (or in contact with) this woman.
I have already been asked my opinion by kids who surf the net, on rather or not I agree with something. The kids I know are naturally curious about religions. And to call attention to themselves, will jump on the bandwagon and condemn others. Acceptance of ones peers and mentors is a powerful thing.
Brainwashing kids with that kind of 'fundalmentalist' thing is ... well is it better left unsaid.
Well, that's my rant

[Mairwen]

I say, let people like this pray for "our souls" all they want. Each one of us needs all the positive energy we can get in our lives, right? :p

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by bluecat
Tammy has been around for quite a while. I have had run-ins with her (on the net) myself. She used to send me some pretty vile e-mail, in the name of her God of course.

You will not change her mind or her agenda, but it's good to know that there are people out there like that because then you can be better prepared when you are confronted by them.

The only thing I can say is to not respond to her because she will just twist anything you say and she will have your e-mail address, that is not a good thing.

She is not rational, IMHO, and cannot be reasoned with.

Just my 2 pennies.

Blue

I seem to remember a pagan getting into a very heated discussion with this chick a few years ago... Could it be you blue?

Kaylara

[Earth Walker]

I found some links for the family to check out. Good Stuff!

www.witchcrawler.com

www.witchnation.com

www.paganvoice.org

www.eclecticjourneys.com


She who is NOT to be interrupted!
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:bad: toda bone
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Meaner than a junkyard Cat :meanface:

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by MystyPines
Surfing the web, I came across the following website:

http://www.sounddoctrine.com/ptimes/

Tammy Ritche, the webmistress, bills her site as "Fundamental, Bible-believing, King James 1611 Bible only, Pre-Tribulation, Independent Baptist Christian" It doesn't matter whether you are gay, lesbian, Pagan, Satanist, feminist, Freemason, pro-choice, a supporter of the New World Order, or concerned about Mother Earth.

What??? What does she have against the NWO???!!! I take offense! I will see to it that this woman will be the first up against the wall when the shadow government rises up to emmanetize the eschaton. You don't $#@%% with the Illuminati!!!

[Lilu]

LOL Oh dear, the good ol' Perilous Times... gosh this sites been around forever hasn't it? I remember a friend of mine going up against these people about 4 years ago, and when I supported him in the guestbook they went and banned our IPs for a week. LOL

"THIS SITE SEEKS TO WARN YOU OF YOUR
DATE WITH ETERNITY AND YOUR LOST CONDITION.
If you do not wish to face facts or you do not
like the realization of truth then ENTER HERE AT YOUR
OWN RISK! "

LMAO Too much!!! Oh I have a lost condition... anyone seen my condition??? I think it's lost...

*going to printed "lost condition" signs and stick them up around the neighbourhood* ... this just will not do.

:crazy: Lilu

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Kaylara


I seem to remember a pagan getting into a very heated discussion with this chick a few years ago... Could it be you blue?

Kaylara

It could have been me or a few dozen others ... ;) :eek: :rolleyes:

I know that Ashlynn and I both did when this woman came into our chat room. Woo-Hoo ... what a hot night that was! :eek: :eek:

[Lilu]

Originally posted by MystyPines
Well, after I looked at the first website, at the bottom of it had a List Bot-join email list. So I did, I put in:

F**kyourself@biblethumper.com.

Sorry! I couldn't help it! 8O

Gee Mysty, I guess you really peed them off... I got this when I clicked on joining...

"ListBot Service Discontinued
The ListBot service has been discontinued as of August 6th. Please click here for more information. "

You evil little witch you... 8O

:) Lilu

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Lilu
LOL Oh dear, the good ol' Perilous Times... gosh this sites been around forever hasn't it? I remember a friend of mine going up against these people about 4 years ago, and when I supported him in the guestbook they went and banned our IPs for a week. LOL

"THIS SITE SEEKS TO WARN YOU OF YOUR
DATE WITH ETERNITY AND YOUR LOST CONDITION.
If you do not wish to face facts or you do not
like the realization of truth then ENTER HERE AT YOUR
OWN RISK! "

LMAO Too much!!! Oh I have a lost condition... anyone seen my condition??? I think it's lost...

*going to printed "lost condition" signs and stick them up around the neighbourhood* ... this just will not do.

:crazy: Lilu

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
--Kenny Rogers/First Edition

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Mystique


I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
--Kenny Rogers/First Edition

And found my mind in a brown paper bag, within.
--Kenny Rogers/First Edition

[Dellit Tandannon]

holy sh*t!!!!!!!
that's creepy!

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by MystyPines
Well, after I looked at the first website, at the bottom of it had a List Bot-join email list. So I did, I put in:

F**kyourself@biblethumper.com.

Sorry! I couldn't help it! 8O

8O 8O Hehe, they deserve it really. I mean, isn't prejudice a "sin"?? "Love thy neighbor like thyself"....isn't that a commandment?

I thought about sending a nasty e-mail, but like bluecat said, it really wouldn't be worth it because then she'd have my address...Oh well i guess there's nothing to do except live and let live. She's missing out, I think! Some day she'll figure it out...even if it's not in this lifetime...

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Lilu


Gee Mysty, I guess you really peed them off... I got this when I clicked on joining...

"ListBot Service Discontinued
The ListBot service has been discontinued as of August 6th. Please click here for more information. "

You evil little witch you... 8O

:) Lilu

The ListBot Service discontinued as of August 6th......two days
before Mysty left her message.....yeah, right! :rolleyes:


She who is NOT to be interrupted!
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:bad: toda bone
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Meaner than a junkyard Cat :meanface:

[Silent Whisper]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i hate it:bad: its people like that who give up a bad name:mad: :G :meanface: :shot: i just hate it hate it hate it

[SpikesPet5150]

Oh wait wait wait wait wait....... ok.. listen to this..
"If America lived by the Ten Commandments
we would not have neo-pagans hugging trees and babbling
about 'Mother earth'. ~Pastor John Hagee~

Hmm.. in the bible.. I'm not sure where or exactly what it says.. but something about when Jesus comes back (ridin through the clouds and all that stuff) that even the rocks will cry with happiness. And, hello.. they believe their God made this earth... soooooo.... umm.. they support the destruction of Earth or what? I'm confused here. I think my condition is completely lost. LOL
The more I read this the more mad I get. I know I should just laugh it off.. but it's the ignorant people like this that make the world a scary place to live in. I mean, how can you worship a deity and not know it?? I do not worship Satan.. I don't believe in Satan. If I believed in Satan, I would be Christian, not Wiccan. As someone said earlier.. Satan is a Christian thing.. not a witchcraft thing. Ugh.. sometimes I reallllllllly wish people would just open their eyes. If they actually read the bible and understood the meaning of it, none of them would judge us, or hate us, or be misinformed about us. I think the bible is a wonderful story, like a fairy tale with a moral, about being kind to one another and not judging people and living in harmony. Thats just what I got out of it.
~Bree

[Sephiroth]

i like christian as much as the next but im wiccan, but i wish that wen she dies and i see her the goddess and everyother goddess and god will let melets say play with her head.(twist twist twist)

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Mooncrow
they'd have gotten the message he was sending, but all they (fanatical Christians) can do is "judge" .....

Didn't he say "Judge ye not...."?


BB

Mooncrow

Actually, what He said is a bit more complicated than that.

As far as this person goes, all I can do is pray for her.....

[Sephiroth]

If we accept these words as true, and surely we should, then it is clear that heaven will contain many who are not Christians, and hell will contain many who are! Clearly, throughout the Gospels, Jesus Christ sets forth the criteria for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and those criteria include love, kindness, forgiveness, and a refusal to judge others:

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2)

[EasternPriest]

Apparently she doesn't have much new to say..The site says last updated 9/27/2000

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
If we accept these words as true, and surely we should, then it is clear that heaven will contain many who are not Christians, and hell will contain many who are! Clearly, throughout the Gospels, Jesus Christ sets forth the criteria for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and those criteria include love, kindness, forgiveness, and a refusal to judge others:

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2)

It's probably true heaven and hell will have mixed company. And Jesus did not set forth a refusal to judge others as one of the criteria..if you look at all the Bible has to say about Judging, there are commandments to judge and not to, but that's a whole thread by itself........

Blessings....

[Danustouch]

EP...There are plenty of new and old testament quotes about judging. But the quotes from Jesus on the subject, are mainly 'Judge not lest ye be judged.".

Then there's also all of his verses about "LOVE"..and entering the kingdom with the heart of a child...

Children do not hate, unless they are taught to. So..imo..this woman is going against the precepts of her own faith.

[Sephiroth]

exactly danus now only if somebody could tell her that shes going agen the precepts of her own faith. maybe she will shut up.

[slvr_phoenix]

I beileve it was said ealier, but I'd like to agree with it and say it again:

To get angry over this is just to feed energy to her. The best way to fight it is simply with truth and love. For if we fight with anything more, than we start to become exactly what she claims we are.

Not that I wouldn't love to organize a ping party and knock that server off-line... But it wouldn't be the right thing to do.

Besides, every religion has fundamentalists like this, so it's not like it's anything new.

[Sequoia]

This environmentalist dogma is promoted and pushed on society as a whole but especially to children in public schools. Further, the entertainment medium is being used to its fullest potential as a tool to indoctrinate children with the idea of saving the earth. Worse yet, children are even being taught through television that the earth is our goddess and we are to worship and revere her. A common example of this hidden indoctrination is a "children's" cartoon called CAPTAIN PLANET. Just about every television market in America, large and small, carries this program at one time or another. In the prologue of the show children are shown an angry goddess looking down on her earth and casting five special rings of power down to five special young people. A demonstration of the powers of each follows ending with the rings being joined together. From this Captain Planet is formed "from the dust of the earth" to fly off around the earth stopping the earth's enemies from plundering and polluting mother earth.

ok. . . correct me if I"m wrong. . . she's scared of a cartoon?! Why doesn't she just go watch animated Noah's Ark or something? I'm surprised she hasn't got a rant on anime there, too. SHEESH what's wrong with teaching children to not pollute.

Oh. . . I bet she has a thing against power rangers, too, because of Zordon LMAO I bet she's running around telling about the evils of hotwheels and barbies (ok barbies, evil? could be debated ;) )

And I never noticed the pagan theme in Captain Planet!! Wow, I should thank her! I'll have to buy DVDs of it for my kids some day, I grew up with it!! ^_^

I bet she's one of those people who wants teachers leading Christian prayers in school.

I have a close friend who is Christian. She is the sweetest person I know, and I love her to death. But this person gives christians a bad name. If you're into your religion, that's wonderful! but try to stay true to what you claim you are. Christianity is supposed to be about love and acceptance and welcoming, isn't it? Don't God and Jesus want you to come to them willingly, and after choosing them IN YOU HEART? I may have that wrong, but I thought it was all about love. . .? With so many biases, how is that unconditional love? Or is christianity about selectively loving others?

any locals who want to clear that up for me? Is she a bad egg or are the nice ones rarities?

[Myst]

Ok I think it's been mentioned a few times in this thread that the woman is a wee bit off her rocker.

No she does not represent any Christians, just herself. So let's not turn this into a "are all Christians like this" or "Christians are so prejudiced" type thread, k? :)

[Earth Walker]

The nice ones are rarities.
Her views and rabid ranting are shared by the Majority of
mainstream society.:(


Patriarchy had a specific beginning in history.
It will also have an end.

[slvr_phoenix]

**ROFL**

Oh sheesh! If she goes that ballistic on Captain Planet, don't tell her about Anime. It might give her a heart attack!

Hmm ... then again, maybe that's not a bad idea after all...

Just kidding folks. :)

Err ... kind of anyway...

I'M SO TORN!

It's just not fair.

[Sequoia]

oh look, s/he has a message board. I posted.

http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/b/18133/

give it a look-see

btw, sorry if I seemed to be doing the "are all christians jerks?" thing, I didn't mean to. Gomen ne

[slvr_phoenix]

Hmm.

And I wouldn't really group her with most Christians. They're mostly reasonably nice folks from my experience. Maybe a little ... closed minded ... about certain things, but for the most part they're all right.

Then again, a lot of 'Christians' aren't really technically Christians anyway, according to the bible. They haven't accepted Jesus Christ into their heart, they just go to church because that's what their family expects them to do, or something equally silly.

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
oh look, s/he has a message board. I posted.

http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/b/18133/

give it a look-see

btw, sorry if I seemed to be doing the "are all christians jerks?" thing, I didn't mean to. Gomen ne


I wouldn't dignify that with a response!:sick:


Patriarchy had a specific beginning in history.
It will also have an end. :smash:

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by slvr_phoenix
**ROFL**

Oh sheesh! If she goes that ballistic on Captain Planet, don't tell her about Anime. It might give her a heart attack!

hahhahahahaha i'd pay to see that. i love anime and manga MANGA rules

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Danustouch
EP...There are plenty of new and old testament quotes about judging. But the quotes from Jesus on the subject, are mainly 'Judge not lest ye be judged.".

Then there's also all of his verses about "LOVE"..and entering the kingdom with the heart of a child...

Children do not hate, unless they are taught to. So..imo..this woman is going against the precepts of her own faith.

Jesus spoke on both sides of the Judging subject. There are circumstances where you are commnaded to judge, and things where you are not to. It takes a full reading of all of the quotes to grasp the fullness of the message. Jesus himself was far more judgemental than most would like him t have been. But, like I said, that's a whole other thread. Maybe I'll put together a word study and post it, if people would like.

[Sequoia]

hahhahahahaha i'd pay to see that. i love anime and manga MANGA rules

LMAO me too. . . and make her sit and play any of the final fantasy games for about three days in a row. . . I'd start taking bets on when her head would explode :D

[SimplyStrange]

I posted there as well. Have a look see...

http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/b/18133/

She really does give a bad name to Christians. Me, I call my self an "Independent Christian" because I am somewhat Christian at heart, but I don't really believe in organized religion. Even so, she has offended me as a fellow Christian...but at the same time, I couldn't stop laughing! 8O To think that she can be outwitted by a fifteen year old is downright sad...

And as for this "Satan" that causes all bad things...*sheaks her head* Forget it... "Satan" does not make people gay or treehuggers...and from my point of view...God couldn't care less whether or not people are gay or like to care for Mother Earth.

~ iSS! ~

[EasternPriest]

I read the posts...and to be honest..in general it seems as though you got right down in the gutter with him/her.

Complaining about bashing by bashing solves nothing. It only fuels the flames.

Another thought.....yes, he/she is a bit rigid to say the least.....
but, If you claim that all paths are valid for the individual, then you have to accept that their path is valid for them as well....

Blessings.....

[Myst]

Originally posted by EasternPriest
I read the posts...and to be honest..in general it seems as though you got right down in the gutter with him/her.

Complaining about bashing by bashing solves nothing. It only fuels the flames.

Another thought.....yes, he/she is a bit rigid to say the least.....
but, If you claim that all paths are valid for the individual, then you have to accept that their path is valid for them as well....


Well said. And that goes for every one of you who did that.

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by EasternPriest
I read the posts...and to be honest..in general it seems as though you got right down in the gutter with him/her.

Complaining about bashing by bashing solves nothing. It only fuels the flames.

Another thought.....yes, he/she is a bit rigid to say the least.....
but, If you claim that all paths are valid for the individual, then you have to accept that their path is valid for them as well....

Blessings.....

Yep yep, I understand and I agree. But it sure did make me feel better! Teehee! 8O I know that everyone has their own paths and that if I can follow my own, then she can follow hers. But sometimes I feel like I have to stand up for what I believe in. I understand that she's somewhat content in her prejudiced little corner, but when she begins to slam other people for their religion that harshly, it makes me feel like I should say something back. Yeah, perhaps I am sinking to her level, but frankly, so what? I'm not going to give her the satisfaction of saying those harsh words without feeling what it's like.

So what if I'm childish...
We're all children at one point in time...

~ iSS! ~

[Myst]

Teaching why intolerance is bad by being intolerant of someone?

I don't think it's childish, but it doesn't make sense anyway.

[Sequoia]

*looks down* gomen nasai. . . I'm sorry. . .

[MistOfTheSea86]

There is no need for anyone to apologize... YOu were not bashing anything, you were simply stating your opinion and it was more of a scream because the person was just so arrogant and dumb-witted that they had no right to speak of anything of the occult. Then they go off and try to lecture you telling you you are wrong, and what you are saying is to just let them lecture us and tell us this. I am sorry but many of us do not have the privilege to be as strong and rightous as you do. To just sit there and let someone do this. BAH, I would never. It is just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He did not sit by and let someone tell him he was wrong! NO he said what needed to be said and made a difference, and that is all we are trying to do...

[Myst]

Oh I see, so you agree then that it's ok for the lady who creates this website to also share her opinions and that she's also not bashing... Last time I checked MLK didn't have people gang up to go insult a person on another forum by calling them a "poor pathetic soul", a "bi***", and the like. Maybe I need to review history though? People who attack someone personally on a web forum for sharing her own views are NOT comparable to a man who worked towards changing the world for his people.

Besides that, no one did say apologies were needed. I just said attacking someone for intolerance by being intolerant isn't logical IMHO

[MistOfTheSea86]

It is a much different Case, I have not seen one Pagan site that has Bashed Christianity. And if there are them, there are probably more about Christianity Vs. Paganism. I feel that everyone has the right to express. But they first need to know about what they are expressing. If they just go out blindly and yell and scream at something they do not understand, then what do u think will happen?

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
...It is just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He did not sit by and let someone tell him he was wrong! NO he said what needed to be said and made a difference, and that is all we are trying to do...

Great point, Mist. If no one ever stood up for anything, where would we be now?? I think to sit back and take a beating for no reason doesn't make any sense. Would any of you sit back and let someone crush your spirit? Hell, I wouldn't. It takes courage to say what you feel, so kudos to all of you who replied with me. You don't need to apologize. It was wrong of her, and even though it may be "bad" to talk back, like I said, so what? It doesn't matter. Hate spawns more hate, and that's what's wrong with that woman. She was so hateful she caused hate among the board. But you know what? If she's gonna' hate me because I love Mother Earth, let her! It's not going to get her anywhere, and even if I don't get anywhere by posting on her stupid site, it sure does make me feel a hell of a lot better.

And if she has a right to say what she feels, then I certainly have a right to say what I feel.

~ iSS! ~

[Raynewitch]

To live with so much hate will destroy her....I wish I didnt go to that site now :( An ignorant little person ruined my good mood....for a while anyway. The "Pagan Hate Mail" was surely made up??

Rayne

[Myst]

I have seen Pagan sites that bash Christianity - in fact I've even seen people post here and bash it. IS there a law that says there must be exactly __ (insert number here) Pagans bashing Christianity? This lady has probably had dozens or hundreds of Pagans try to explain to her what they think, in various degrees of politeness. Just like a hundred people telling you Paganism is evil and Christianity is the only true path will not change your mind, nor will you change hers. Do you think no one has spoken out against her before? Do you think your speaking out against her will change it now? Probably not. Just like you, she has her own opinions. What is gained by harvesting this hate but negativity - you can return her hate by hating her back in a public forum or you can work positively to your OWN improvement. MLK did not "hate" the people who opposed to them or attack them publicly - what he DID do was work positively to change himself and thus the environment for his people. If he had concentrated on hate or returning it to those who disagreed he never would've gotten anywhere.

The only thing we're doing by bringing her hate here is proving her point ("those darn Pagans, always evil, always bashing other religions", etc.)

As Pagans, we know like attracts like, and if you want all that negative energy and hate around you go ahead, just don't expect me to agree with it. :)

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
If they just go out blindly and yell and scream at something they do not understand, then what do u think will happen?

I totally agree. If I had gone out and made a site that totally bashed Christianity and got replies that were hateful in the same way, would you feel sorry for me? To sit and b*tch about people speaking their mind after I had done it so harshly is absurd...

~ iSS! ~

[MistOfTheSea86]

Was too dumwitted for me to be polite, sometimes to get your point across, Yelling is needed. A sad truth. But still a truth.

[Myst]

Originally posted by SimplyStrange
I totally agree. If I had gone out and made a site that totally bashed Christianity and got replies that were hateful in the same way, would you feel sorry for me? To sit and b*tch about people speaking their mind after I had done it so harshly is absurd...


If you created your own personal website and people you hadn't even invited ganged up and went over to bash you for it, I sure as heck would complain about it.

But hey if you want to harvest that negativity and breed hate for her go ahead!

[Raynewitch]

I think she needs a nice cup of tea and a lie down :), well that or a damn good shag :D Oops can I say that here? :D Innocent smile

Rayne

[SimplyStrange]

And yes I am aware that she has probably gotten MANY replies from Pagans before. I did not say she had. I know that she will not change her mind because I said something, but to let that anger you feel from listening to that bottle up is not good, either.

[MistOfTheSea86]

We are harvesting nothing, I did not even think of this site all day until I came here and expressed my opinion. I would not waste my time with this woman, I would just say what i felt and leave and hope she got a message into her head. If not then it would be her fault for people being angry at her because she has no right to say what she has said with out doing research. NO cut that she did research, but it was close-minded research

[Myst]

Originally posted by Raynewitch
I think she needs a nice cup of tea and a lie down :), well that or a damn good shag :D Oops can I say that here? :D Innocent smile

Rayne

LOL or maybe just a cuddly hug from someone who loves her.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Raynewitch
I think she needs a nice cup of tea and a lie down :), well that or a damn good shag :D Oops can I say that here? :D Innocent smile

Rayne


I think you may be right!!8O :D 8O

[Myst]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
We are harvesting nothing, I did not even think of this site all day until I came here and expressed my opinion. I would not waste my time with this woman, I would just say what i felt and leave and hope she got a message into her head. If not then it would be her fault for people being angry at her because she has no right to say what she has said with out doing research. NO cut that she did research, but it was close-minded research

Ok, so we get to judge how intelligent she is, whether she's a "bi***", and how good her research is, as well as pass judgment on her character - but darnit how dare she pass her own beliefs and opinions on our religion!

[SimplyStrange]

*sigh*

All this close-mindedness has not made me entirely angry. In fact, I have become SO much more thankful for my open mind. I take it as a blessing.

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Ok, so we get to judge how intelligent she is, whether she's a "bi***", and how good her research is, as well as pass judgment on her character - but darnit how dare she pass her own beliefs and opinions on our religion!

Alright, I must admit I agree with you there. I don't think it's right to judge her character, which is not what I'm trying to do at all, I don't know about Mist.

But like I have said many, MANY times, if she has the right to pass her own beliefs and opinions, then I sure as hell have the right to tell her my opinions!

[Myst]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
And so it spawned hat from us...

Well I hope you all have the wisdom and love to get over that hate, just as I hope she has the same some day.

Blessings to all of you on overcoming negativity.

[Myst]

Originally posted by SimplyStrange
Alright, I must admit I agree with you there. I don't think it's right to judge her character, which is not what I'm trying to do at all, I don't know about Mist.

Oh *silly me*, I thought calling the woman a "poor pathetic soul" WAS a character judgment!


(insert missed :) here)

[MistOfTheSea86]

Is that this woman needs to research before she speaks out her opinion so harshley. I may have made a mistake about judging her cause you are right I do not have the right to do that. I apologize. I find that woman to be Un-educated in that matter. If she had done more research my opinions would change... But it is sad... TO know that there are people out there who do bash things so. Pagan, Christians it is an ever-lasting cycle of hate. That I fear I may fall into if I am not careful and do not do my research. I do apologize what I said was out of impulse to being proven wrong, it sometimes get control of me.

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Oh *silly me*, I thought calling the woman a "poor pathetic soul" WAS a character judgment!

Oh I'm sorry if I've offended you by being angry at someone completely different than you. I'm terribly ashamed that I goofed up when trying to agree with you there. I am sorry that my opinions do not rate up there with yours...


Oh and by the by, if you don't like all this negativity...then why are you still here arguing about it??

[Sequoia]

ok hold on STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!

This is quickly escalating into an argument, and I do NOT want to see that happening here. Everyone has a right to their own point of view but this is starting to get rediculous. Let's all just stop before feelings are hurt and enemies are made, ok? MW is a very good-vibe place, and this is distoring stuffs.

at the very least, I know it's personally making ME uncomfortable.

There's probably others who feel that way too.

So let's just try to smoke the peace pipe or whatever, and get it over with. Seeing friends, or friendly aquantiences, argue, is not a happy thing for anyone. And Sarcasm hurts, doesn't it?

[Myst]

Originally posted by SimplyStrange


Oh I'm sorry if I've offended you by being angry at someone completely different than you. I'm terribly ashamed that I goofed up when trying to agree with you there. I guess I can't do anything right, now can I?


Oh and by the by, if you don't like all this negativity...then why are you still here arguing about it??

Well it's too bad that you took all this personally instead of understanding that I was trying to explain to you the importance of not harboring hate and working towards positively improving yourself instead. Also too bad that you think I'm here to argue with you. *sigh*

Good luck to you again on overcoming negativity.

[Raynewitch]

Ummmm can everyone calm down please? :( We are letting this get too hurtful!!

Rayne

PS HUGS for all.

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Raynewitch
I think she needs a nice cup of tea and a lie down :), well that or a damn good shag :D Oops can I say that here? :D Innocent smile

Rayne

Do you mean she should chill out, take a valium, and get laid?:D


Patriarchy had a specific beginning in history.
It will also have an end. :smash:

[Myst]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
at the very least, I know it's personally making ME uncomfortable.


Oops, sorry to see you uncomfortable. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)

[Myst]

Originally posted by Mystique
Do you mean she should chill out, take a valium, and get laid?:D


LOL I think that was the point Mystique, but actually I think it would be better to take a valium, get laid, THEN chill out. Or maybe get laid, take a valium, then chill out. Oh I dunno, I haven't had to take valium :)

[SimplyStrange]

Thank you Puma! You're right, that was getting out of hand. The only reason I continued with this argument was because people did not seem to hear me when I said that everyone had their own rights to say what they want. I've already posted it there, and so what. I never plan to go back there, so my problems are over with. And if people don't like what I posted there, they don't have to look at it, just like I don't have to look at that site. I will now try to channel my energy into more positive things, and I suggest the others do the same...

Thank you Puma.

[Raynewitch]

Hehehehe well Mystique, maybe not the valium...but YES!!!!!

[MistOfTheSea86]

Melts away with the words of SS and Puma. I see the light!8O Okay I will keep myself in check!:D

[Sequoia]

*tenatively holds out a tray of lemonaide and some goldfish crackers for anyone who wants them*

smoking's unhealthy, come to think of it. . . peace lemonaide and fish-cracker snacks?

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Well it's too bad that you took all this personally instead of understanding that I was trying to explain to you the importance of not harboring hate and working towards positively improving yourself instead. Also too bad that you think I'm here to argue with you. *sigh*

Good luck to you again on overcoming negativity.

I'm sorry too Raven, if I made you think that I thought you were here to argue with me. I guess I misunderstood. That's the problem with the internet. You can never tell tone of voice, which is very important in conversations. I completely understood the importance of not harboring hate, and I am sorry that you feel like I am just trying to be hateful because I don't like what a stranger said. Sometimes I feel the need to stand up for what I believe in, because I have seen much prejudice in my life amongst people that I love, and it hurts me more to sit back and watch it be taken like that than to tell the people that it's not right. I know very well that she can say what she wants, Mist can say what he wants, and you can say what you want. But please, if you're going to try to explain to me why it's good not to spawn more hate, then I at least get to try and explain to you why I did what I did.

I'm sorry if I angered anyone, but that's just my 2 cents...

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
IS there Liqour in this Lemonade! I am startin to feel Funny AHUck!:D

8O Teehee! Mist, that wasn't lemonade, you grabbed the wrong glass! *drinks her lemonade* Aaahhh...Now I feel relaxed...

[Raynewitch]

Sorry but I have to cuddle all that apologised and watch the pole dance :D

*CUDDLES*

Rayne

"I like big butts and I can not lie,
You other brothers cant deny"

[Raynewitch]

Gotta pull up *something* cos you notice that butt was stuffed

Even the jeans shes wearin Im hooked and I cant stop starin

[Sequoia]

You must've grabbed my apple cider!!


!!!! :eek: you drank it all that fast?! no WONDER you're feeling funny!;) :D :D :D

*grabs mist offstage, throws a bad sailor fuku on him, and shoves him back onstage with "Otome no Inori" music playing and Lina inverse standing next to him*

:D :D :D unless you've seen the anime Slayers, there's no way in heck you're going to get that one.

[Raynewitch]

Hope I dont get remembered as the chick who knew *almost all* words to Baby Got Back

Rayne

PS Ohhhh my god Becky look at her butt it is SOOOO big

[MistOfTheSea86]

are you implying that I am a girL???:D

[Raynewitch]

Im the girl punkin.....well i was last time I checked :D oh wait do you mean the "oh mY God...." part? Wait no, um Im confused.

[Raynewitch]

So your girlfriend grows a Honda playin workout tapes by Fonda, but fonda dont got a motor in the backka her Honda....my anaconda dont want none unless you got buns hun!!!!

:D :D :D

I love that song

Rayne

Favourite line "Silicone parts are made for toys" SO TRUE!!!

[Raynewitch]

*Covers her eyes - but peeks through - hoping to get some tips...*

[Raynewitch]

ROFL you people are pretty funky....

[Myst]

Hi, maybe we should get the thread back on topic?

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Hi, maybe we should get the thread back on topic?

Last time we were on topic, we got into a rather large argument, remember? Just keepin' the peace...

[Raynewitch]

*Coughs* shuffles her feet and wonders in they realise she can see them*

[Raynewitch]

Has to go (not these two will notice...get a freakin room :D )but will be on later to see what senanigans you have come up with.

Rayne

[Sequoia]

I can't stop giggling LMAO 8O you guys are too much

[SimplyStrange]

I think I'll waltz over to the Fun Thread...I'm done with the topic of this thread. It made me too tense, and I'm just not in the mood for that again. Talk away, for all of those who want to talk about this "negativity" again...

Me, I'm done with it. I may peek back in here once or twice to see what's going on...but for now, I'm gonna' go be happy again.

[Semele]

MOD MODE:


Whoa....Did this thing go way off topic or what? While it was a nice comic relief and eased a little tension that was building, three pages is a bit much to overlook. Perhaps the original topic is over and there is nothing further to discuss, which would be fine by me. If that's the case then lets move on where we can have fun and stay on topic!

END MOD MODE:

FWIW, I would love to see this thread die. The fact that we let ourselves get into an emotional debate with our family over some ridiculous website from someone who means nothing to us bothers me a lot. It is like she has been successful in some small, petty way. Just as she is successful each time a Pagan replies to her on her page out of anger. The best response to her drivil, imo, is to ignore her.

[MistOfTheSea86]

I have seen slayers that show rox! "Crimson beyond Twilight..." I just finsihed watching the first season with rezo and stuff.:D But anyways back OT

[MistOfTheSea86]

There are no 3 pages of Nothing.:)

[Semele]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
There are no 3 pages of Nothing.:)

MOD MODE:

Mist...please go to the rules and view rule #5:

"Questions regarding moderation shall not be asked in the thread as this would be an off-topic post."

[SimplyStrange]

Talking on topic now, I think this thread should be deleted in the whole. I mean, all it did was cause horrible frustration among the family here, and frankly, I feel awful for it now. I feel bad for making a fool of myself, I feel bad for making it seem like I was trying to make a fool of others, and I feel bad that I felt like I was being made a fool of. I do take responsibility for fighting back when I felt I was being fought with, and I take responsibility for helping change the subject. I assure you at the time I meant no harm, and I severely apologize for those of you who felt it was wrong of me. Let us all take this as a lesson to learn and perhaps we can put it behind us and start threads we can all enjoy.

Blessings,

~ iSS! ~

[MistOfTheSea86]

SImplyStrange!:D

[Semele]

Originally posted by SimplyStrange
Talking on topic now, I think this thread should be deleted in the whole. I mean, all it did was cause horrible frustration among the family here, and frankly, I feel awful for it now. I feel bad for making a fool of myself, I feel bad for making it seem like I was trying to make a fool of others, and I feel bad that I felt like I was being made a fool of. I do take responsibility for fighting back when I felt I was being fought with, and I take responsibility for helping change the subject. I assure you at the time I meant no harm, and I severely apologize for those of you who felt it was wrong of me. Let us all take this as a lesson to learn and perhaps we can put it behind us and start threads we can all enjoy.

Blessings,

~ iSS! ~

No Way Jose!!! Your post above, in relation to the whole thread is priceless. This is a perfect example of how we are learning and growing as a community. We had hurt feelings and emotions flying around and yet we found middle ground and came out of it in one piece, still friends with our fellow members. It is a great example to current and future members in my opinion. A similar groundbreaking experience happend in the thread London Car Bombing...I wouldn't remove them for anything in the world, as I see them as very positive, therapeutic threads!!! There is something wonderful happening here. We are beginning to really understand how our comments affect others...and we are learning how to disagree without anger! Do you realise how many members we have...the fact that it isn't a constant battlefield is awesome!!!

[GrayKnyght]

Greetings everyone. This is my first post.

On topic now...
The overall problem with this Anti-Witchcraft site and its' creator is ignorance and intolerance. Are we wrong if we are intolerant as well?
There can be a fine line between being intolerant of another's beliefs and being intolerant of an injustice. This site promotes violence and persecution upon those not associated with the Christian belief system. The worship of anything other than the Christian god and Jesus Christ goes against this person's belief, so she fights it. If she thinks this is her job, so be it, but this battle is fought in entirely the wrong way....with lies.
Basically, the only constructive way to fight back is with the truth. The site's creator is most likely far beyond being brought to the truth. Her beliefs will not even let her consider it. Her actions cause the very thing Pagans have been fighting for quite some time. Fear. Fear to be open with their beliefs without consequences.
So, the best everyone can do is try some constructive criticism towards a person who causes an injustice, and, if that does not work, fight it in a different way....by promoting an understanding to those who are willing to listen.
~GrayKnyght

[Earth Walker]

Merry Meet & a Warm Welcome Grayknyght. :sunny:

Mystique and Ariel


Patriarchy had a specific beginning in history.
It will also have an end. :smash:

[EasternPriest]

Greetings and blessings GrayKnyght!

[saravasti821]

In times like this, I can only quote Alice in "Dilbert" by saying this:

"Must...control...fist...of...death!"


-Ariadne ShadowFire

[quixote]

I have been sitting here debating whether to post.One of my mother's friends is like that. but Ive heard her story of how she came to be this way. she has psychic gifts and if not for her upbringing she would have made a great witch. My point is, these people deserve our pity more than our anger.
just my two cents worth
BB, quixote

[Myst]

Originally posted by quixote
My point is, these people deserve our pity more than our anger.


Or guidance (if they would only listen) or blessings that they might once see the truth, I think. Maybe pity that they've not been able to get exposed to the truth like we have.

[Tigerwallah]

I think she needs some serious medication. It can't be healthy to hate that many people.

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Or guidance (if they would only listen) or blessings that they might once see the truth, I think. Maybe pity that they've not been able to get exposed to the truth like we have.

Exposed to which "truth"? If all paths are valid, then all paths are "true" for the people who follow them.

I don't agree with her tactics.....but..........

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


Exposed to which "truth"? If all paths are valid, then all paths are "true" for the people who follow them.

I don't agree with her tactics.....but..........

I agree with this. This is why I don't believe in organized religion. To me, all paths are valid, therefore she may be on the right one, or you may be on the right one. I think it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just so long as you have faith...

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by SimplyStrange


I think it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just so long as you have faith...

Your hearts are in the right place...:D

[Myst]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


Exposed to which "truth"? If all paths are valid, then all paths are "true" for the people who follow them.

I don't agree with her tactics.....but..........

Ok evidently I worded that wrong. I mean truth as in truth of accepting others' paths or at least letting others live their own life, not accepting our path is right and hers is wrong :) :) :)

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Ok evidently I worded that wrong. I mean truth as in truth of accepting others' paths or at least letting others live their own life, not accepting our path is right and hers is wrong :) :) :)

Ooooh, gotcha'. ;) I agree with you there. To me, there really is no "right" or "wrong" path...because I believe in the end it won't matter. You are right about her accepting the fact that others have their own beliefs.

*Sigh* I'm through with the site...it's not doing anything for me...all it did was spark anger, and that's not good. :eek: Perhaps this woman will never learn to live with others, which is fine with me, just so long as she doesn't hurt anyone in the process...

[Amethyst]

Well what can one say.
I had a good look through the site and found it all very ammusing, especially that Hitler was a pagan.
I laughed my ass off at that one.
I also sent them an email just to let them know that I had a great laugh and that their site was a great joke. I wonder if I will make it to their pagan hate mail section, oh I hope so.
Bright Blessings everyone
Amethyst

[MistOfTheSea86]

It was funny

[MasterMoon]

I think that site is hilarious....she should be a comedian.
I wrote her an email....thanking her for the comic relief

[GoddessofWisdom]

Ok. As sick and twisted as her words may be. She has every right to say them. Just like you and I can sit here and call her an uneducated, backwards fundie. But *!t(hing about it isn't going to get her to not see life that way and it surely isn't going to get the site taken down. Like Myst said earlier..........she's not breaking any rules.

Ignore it. Don't read it. Maybe one day she'll realize that not everyone likes mean old school marm act.

[Fire_Crotch132074]

http://www.sounddoctrine.com/baphomet.htm



ok if the link worked read about Yoda from StarWars, I'll leave it at that just read it. ::wipes away tear::

[Earthcup]

the Mother Nature article...

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Joyless, music and debate loving sinner wants to know where she can find a perverted bible! :lol:

*wipes tears from eyes and cracks up again*

[Earthcup]

It's not all bad! I got this cool link there. I've ordered some highly recommended books by Manly P. Hall, didn't know about this site before though....

http://www.prs.org/

*looking on the sunny side of life*

[Old Witch]

:lol: The Yoda thing is too warped for words.........:eek:

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Amethyst
Well what can one say.
I had a good look through the site and found it all very ammusing, especially that Hitler was a pagan.
I laughed my ass off at that one.


Ummm... Hitler was into pagan religions and occult practices. He chose the Norse path. (surprise, surprise)

Not saying that I agree with their point of view on any of this.

My point is to show that we cannot dismiss everything that they say just because we disagree with their point of view.

Kaylara

[Earthcup]

Yes but his view of the Norse beliefs was seriously warped. Most Asatuar would kick his ass if he were spouting that stuff today. Neo Nazi's should not mess with Astruar.... :D

[Kaylara]

True enough... But to anyone who is not really up on what us pagans and heathens are calling each little "tradition", they lump us together just like many of us do to the christians. Hence, while it was a warped kind of pagan, it can still be considered a pagan religion or practice because it falls outside of the judeo-christian-muslim context that most of the world sees it from...

Kaylara

[Chibi-Fallon]

"Religion is a solace to many and it is conceivable that some religion, somewhere, is Ultimate Truth. But being religious is a often a form of conceit. The faith in which I was brought up assured me that I was better than other people; I was "saved" and they were "damned"- we were in a state of grace and the rest were "heathens". ...”
“That entitled them to look down on outsiders. Our hymns were loaded with arrogance- self-congratulation on how cozy we were with the Almighty and what a high opinion he had of us, what hell everybody else would catch some Judgement Day.”
Jubal, “Stranger in a Strange Land” by Robert A. Heinlein

Don't ask, it just felt appropriate. 8O

[Earthcup]

True but Pagans such as he are in the minority thank the Gods!

I love the name Jubal because it reminds me of moonshine...

*watched a lot of Mayberry growing up*

[Valnorran]

Well, I got a good laugh out of her demented site until I came to her opinion of the Goddess. That pissed me off. Then I came here and read what others had to say and was vastly cheered up :)

[Azure]

Well, to balance it out, Hitler also wanted to be a priest at one point, and studied both Catholic and Protestant Christianity obsessively. He was as crazed for biblical relics as Raiders of the Lost Ark suggested, and had his own cadre of archaeologists hired to "prove" that the real tribes of Israel were actually the Aryan folks in Germany.

To over simplify his beliefs as Norse Pagan is incredibly misleading. Ditto calling him a Catholic, for that matter. He was a megalomaniac who used whatever religious doctrine he could to manipulate the people around him.

[Chibi-Fallon]

"conservative christian values are these- humility, mercy, compassion, love, honesty, etc. nowhere in the bible does christ encourage his followers to be intolerant, greedy, bigots, nowhere in the bible does christ encourage his followers to lie, slander, steal, or be divisive along economic or cultural lines. preserving the ‘american way’ of greed, cruelty, environmental destruction, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. would seem to have nothing to do with christ. christ is wonderful, loving, compassionate, and honest. today’s right wing evangelical christians seem to be insecure, hate-filled creatures and although I should probably pity them, right now I’m angry."
Moby, "Everything is Wrong" Essay 2

The CD was sitting on the kitchen counter (my dad really likes Moby) and I thought it was an interesting quote. I’m just having fun with these today. :D But I think he’s right, and he put it a lot better then I could have.
That is how it’s written. With all the punctuation, and capitalizations (or lack therefore ;) ) he put in there. I’m not being stupid/lazy.

[Earthcup]

Moby's cool even if he is an odd one.....

I still wanna know what a perverted bible is! One where they cut out all the boring stuff and expand on the stories of Jacob, Lot, David, Susanna, Ruth, etc. ?

Holy Bible, XXX, rated unsuitable for children under 13.... :lol:

*pulls mind out of the gutter*

[BloodCrow]

I too agree that the best way to deal with these biggots is just t laugh at them.Though i also believe that we have the right to get angry at them. If we werent meant to get angry i dont think it would be a part of our being. i would also like to point out that Hitler was much more crazy then they are and because no one did anything about him we got *the holocaust*. Just saying that we should still keep our guard up.

[Dragon_Lady_of_Air]

I am still looking for a place on this site that tells me its just a parody. I am hoping I find one before I get to disgusted. I know I am kinda late on posting. Sorry

[Dragon_Lady_of_Air]

Looked still can't find it. I just wish people would stop saying the devil made me do or the devil made them do it. When will we all realize they are our mistakes and we should take the blame.

[IvyWitch]

Thread necromancy is an evil thing :p Seriously, the last post in this thread was almost 3 years ago.

Her site is dead now. No, it's NOT a parody, yes she is serious, but now she keeps to her own little forum and doesn't go out and bother anyone, and no I will not tell you where it is.

[Dragon_Lady_of_Air]

lol it was till on the front page. oh well. I'm having a stupid moment.

[BabblingImp]

When you think about it she is really 'inforcing' what she is trying to distroy! the way to get young people to do what you don't want them to is doing exactly what she's doing! Lol! oh well she'll grow old and die just like the rest of us. _wiz_

[Valkie]

alas... there isn't much to say that hasn't already been said or that she said herself except this:

THIS was the Christian church that I knew and that I followed at one point in time. Someone mentioned brainwashing kids... yup. I was 11 when I joined. That was why it took me years to accept who I truely was and even longer to get over the anger that I held for Christianity.

[xarimae]

We should start a "Say YES to Witchcraft Campaign Across America." We could set up a shop on Cafe Press and everyone could get a t-shirt! I can't stand ignorant, ill-educated, and simply rude individuals like her. What kind of a god would look at her and say "yes, you're better than them, simply because you're christian - and they're not." If such a god exists, then I'll gladly go to "hell."