This isn't too shallow of a reason to cast a spell, is it?

[Avalonia]

Okay, I've been thinking for a long time (2 months or so) about casting a spell to help me make friends (whether it be making me more easier to talk to, or for me to be more friendly or something along those lines). I'm planning on completely writing it on my own, although it's not going to be anything fancy, I believe in keeping it simple and to the point. No flowery extra stuff.

However, I haven't quite narrowed it down exactly, or what I'm going to do anyway, because it's all up in the air, because I'm worried that I'm going to be casting a spell for a very shallow reason. I don't have many friends, the ones I do have are the greatest, but they've all got other friends, and I'm usually left on my own a lot. I've been feeling this lonliness for a while, and I've determined that it's because I need to be able to talk with more people, make more acquaintances, because I'm a year from graduation, and who knows if I'll be able to hang around the same people after I leave high school? I need to be able to broaden my group of friends, but I'm really shy, I get easily nervous, I HATE being in crowds (I don't know if it's social anxiety or a mild phobia, if that's possible), and I generally find it hard to talk to people. Nice mess I put myself in, eh?

I'm not expecting any really huge change or anything, I just want to change myself for the better, and make it easier for others to get to know me. That's not too shallow, is it?

[{Tigress}]

I believe that anything you want to do to make yourself a better person is valid and not the least bit shallow. Now, if you'd been asking whether or not you should do something to make other people like you (by changing THEM, not you), I'd probably pipe up and express my disapproval.

In my opinion, the magick should mainly be used to improve ourselves because the better we are, the more we can accomplish and the more honor we bring to our gods.

Good luck to you! :)

[thok_ragnarok]

do whatever pleases you, but be careful what you wish/pray/cast for

[Aidron]

I fail to see what is so shallow about this. Most often I feel people profess "Don't cast spells!" in Paganism as if they have left-over Christian ideals that it's wrong. Honestly people, get over it and use your magic for whatever you wish. :rolleyes:

Finding true, loyal friends is difficult, and why not use all your resources in life whether they be magic or not to help you achieve your desires and goals?

The fact that anyone would hestitate to perform this sort of magic makes me worry.

Just be sure to be very specific in wording, or if you make a list and burn it, whatever you do about the type of people you hope to attract. Don't expect perfection, so don't make too extravagant a list with qualities that no one can live up to, but be sure to include things such as "Supportive", "Accepting me for who I am", "Honest", "Loyal", "Sincere" and/or other things of that nature.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

not really.

if it will be a spell to help you better yourself as a person, and to promote overall self-growth, i don't really see anything wrong with it. :3

be sure to tell me how that goes, and if you need any assistance with the spell let me know!

brightest blessings

[Aidron]

not really.

if it will be a spell to help you better yourself as a person, and to promote overall self-growth, i don't really see anything wrong with it. :3



That would not even be a friendship spell anymore, that would be magic of the personal growth nature. :rolleyes:

[The High Queen of Faerie]

That would not even be a friendship spell anymore, that would be magic of the personal growth nature. :rolleyes:


why?

if she included that part of her goal would be to gain friends in the process, i don't see the problem...

[Aidron]

why?

if she included that part of her goal would be to gain friends in the process, i don't see the problem...


I didn't think you would.

First off you need to pick a goal and stick to it. Do not try to achieve too much with too few procedures when the goals are clearly seperate. One to draw friends to you, one for personal growth. If you disregard this you will either produce no results since you were not focused enough on each individual goal or your results will be half-assed, producing at best 50% of the desired result. That's just basic.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I didn't think you would.

First off you need to pick a goal and stick to it. Do not try to achieve too much with too few procedures when the goals are clearly seperate. One to draw friends to you, one for personal growth. If you disregard this you will either produce no results since you were not focused enough on each individual goal or your results will be half-assed, producing at best 50% of the desired result. That's just basic.

well, in the past i have done a spell similar to the one that she outlined. something to both better myself as a person and perhaps meet a few new friends along the way. the results i achieved were incredibly positive and not at all 'half assed'.

it is possible to combine two efforts into one spell and get 100% of the desired outcome.

[Aidron]

well, in the past i have done a spell similar to the one that she outlined. something to both better myself as a person and perhaps meet a few new friends along the way. the results i achieved were incredibly positive and not at all 'half assed'.

it is possible to combine two efforts into one spell and get 100% of the desired outcome.


It is possible, yes, all things are, but I would not advise it for most people simply because it's counter-productive, plain and simple. Your experiences, while positive, are not the average result, so it's in the practioner's best interest to not test the waters so to speak.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

It is possible, yes, all things are, but I would not advise it for most people simply because it's counter-productive, plain and simple. Your experiences, while positive, are not the average result, so it's in the practioner's best interest to not test the waters so to speak.

i suppose in the end what it really comes down to is how comfortable the practitioner in question is with doing spells for multiple reasons. if they're not able to "multitask" within spells and get an effective and efficient result, it's best not to do so. that i would agree with.

why not test the waters, though? it is that sort of magickal experimentation that shows us our boundaries. it is through experimentation such as that wherein people might learn if they are able to do a spell for two purposes, as i did, or if it's best for them personally to stick to one goal per spell.

[charmedkisses1]

I don't see a problem with it, but sometimes people try to use magic for something that they should change about themselves through hard work and mental self examination first.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I don't see a problem with it, but sometimes people try to use magic for something that they should change about themselves through hard work and mental self examination first.

i agree with that completely. magick should not be something that is tossed around lightly, or an instant answer to every single little problem. however, it is appropriate for some issues - for instance, if someone has been battling with self-esteem issues throughout the duration of their lives, or if they are trying to overcome shyness. while it is possible to seek help through therapy, this does not often work, and so i don't see the harm in doing a spell as a bit of a 'last resort' if you have already tried a great deal to help yourself :)

[Erebus]

There's no such thing as a "shallow" reason to cast a spell. If I could use magic to turn the pages in my book for me, I would.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

There's no such thing as a "shallow" reason to cast a spell. If I could use magic to turn the pages in my book for me, I would.

... how about a spell to inflict pain on someone?

[Aidron]

suppose in the end what it really comes down to is how comfortable the practitioner in question is with doing spells for multiple reasons. if they're not able to "multitask" within spells and get an effective and efficient result, it's best not to do so. that i would agree with.


Actually, no, it comes down to how wise the individual practioner is. If you want to disperse your focus your magic will simply not be as effective as if you focused on one goal. It's as simple as that.



why not test the waters, though? it is that sort of magickal experimentation that shows us our boundaries. it is through experimentation such as that wherein people might learn if they are able to do a spell for two purposes, as i did, or if it's best for them personally to stick to one goal per spell.

Magical experimentation is one thing, frivolousness and attempting to do too much at one time while expecting good results is another.



... how about a spell to inflict pain on someone?

Precisely how is that shallow? Shallow is defined as having a lack of thought, knowledge and feeling. If you perform magic to harm someone I'm sure you've put some amount of thought into it and didn't just wind up at your altar unaware of what you're doing. Likeiwise you probably have some degree of knowledge, and feeling? If it comes to the point where you want to hurt someone I imagine you have strong feelings.

Shallow it is not. Unethical? That's subjective.

[Erebus]

... how about a spell to inflict pain on someone?

Foshizzle. Have done them in the past and will continue to do them in the future. What's your point?

(And before you say it, mathematically-based corruptions of eastern life-path concepts fail to impress me)

[suorkaterina]

I have a simmilar problem. And I have thought about doing a soul mate spell. Not a love soul mate but friends. I beleive there are people out there i have yet to meet that have been there for me for lifetimes! Since we are already friends why shouldn't I summon them back to me?

Friends of old
True as gold
Faithful as the sea
Quickly traverse the constant tides
To be here as always by my side
I summon my soul mates back to me

Hmm...I just thought of that off the cuff but I think I'm gonna write that down.

Then again there is always the possibility you NEED to be alone. I struggle with that all the time. If there is a reason for everything why should I make a spell to change it?

Just my 2 cents =)

[Lucifers_Insanity]

Now, this won't force anyone to be your friend, rather help you to find a friend.

Cast this spell on a Sunday, the day of friendship. Choose a candle of your favorite color, and anoint it with your favorite scent (e.g. oil, cologne, perfume, flower essence). Light the candle and encircle it with your favorite symbols and images (e.g. pics of yourself, esp. ones with a warm smile or taken in a favorite place of your's). Cup your hands about six inches in front of the candle. Send your energy to the flame of that candle as if you were feeding it your light.

Say:

By the hermetic law of similarity,
This candle now represents my personality

Take a yellow candle (yellow because it is akin to the sun and representative of Sunday), and hold it in your hands.

Say:

By the hermetic law of similarity,
This candle now represents a friend's personality

Take your candle and light the yellow candle.

Say:

I darw to me a friend loyal and true,
Whom I will trust through and through.
Our bond will grow strong and tight.
By both our wills, let this spell work tonight.

Taken from The Teen Spell Book: Magick for Young Witches by Jamie Wood

[Ivy Artemisia]

Whichever way you look for friends, you probably want to make sure you are acting in accord with your goal and go out and LOOK for some friends. They won't come to you if you just stay home all the time. Create a vessel. :)

[Lady Jade]

Why not just ask for the Gods/dess to draw to you friends that will aid your path? that is not selfish, nor will Karma bite you on the arse for it. Inviting goodness into your life is not a crime for Goddess sake! Have a life and ask what you will of them so long as it benefits your path!!!

[AlAskendir]

Okay, I've been thinking for a long time (2 months or so) about casting a spell to help me make friends (whether it be making me more easier to talk to, or for me to be more friendly or something along those lines). I'm planning on completely writing it on my own, although it's not going to be anything fancy, I believe in keeping it simple and to the point. No flowery extra stuff.

However, I haven't quite narrowed it down exactly, or what I'm going to do anyway, because it's all up in the air, because I'm worried that I'm going to be casting a spell for a very shallow reason. I don't have many friends, the ones I do have are the greatest, but they've all got other friends, and I'm usually left on my own a lot. I've been feeling this lonliness for a while, and I've determined that it's because I need to be able to talk with more people, make more acquaintances, because I'm a year from graduation, and who knows if I'll be able to hang around the same people after I leave high school? I need to be able to broaden my group of friends, but I'm really shy, I get easily nervous, I HATE being in crowds (I don't know if it's social anxiety or a mild phobia, if that's possible), and I generally find it hard to talk to people. Nice mess I put myself in, eh?

I'm not expecting any really huge change or anything, I just want to change myself for the better, and make it easier for others to get to know me. That's not too shallow, is it?

Changing yourself for the better is never shallow. Go for it! But how are you planning to 'earth it'? How are you planning to give the spell an opportunity to work? Path of least resistance, y'know? You kinda need a repeatable spell, so that you can cast it, join the Toastmasters or something, find out if it worked and if not, cast it again and test it again.

[Rain Gnosis]

Just wondered if you recent posters have noticed this was posted way back in June. Hopefully the original person can let us know how things worked out?