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Bec_W
June 20th, 2004, 12:30 AM
I wasn't sure if I should put this here but it didn't seem to fit anywhere else :)

Anyway... It seems that Laurie Cabot "Salem's Offical Witch" put a curse on police officers who were attempting to return her grandchild to his/her father.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/3435992/detail.html

Boogins
June 20th, 2004, 12:39 AM
I've met Laurie. If she wants to be, she can cut a pretty fearsome figure. But I don't believe she would actually curse anyone.

Aidron
June 20th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Seems to me that everyone is turning it into something it's not. If I read it correctly she simply informed the police of her belief in the threefold law and did not actually perform a curse.

scaerie faerie
June 20th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Well, I don't know the specifics of the case, but nothing Laurie Cabot did would surprise me. :geez:

IvyWitch
June 20th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Whether or not it's true that woman scares the begeebies out of me.

Erebus
June 20th, 2004, 09:00 AM
"The police, whose station was still upright Friday..."

Bwahahaha.



"I'm talking to them and they are, like, doing their business, and, you know, 'I got a warrant,' you know? I said, 'Stop, you are not paying attention. Look me in the eye,'"

No wonder we come across as total flakes. Dale Carnegie wouldn't sound like a valley girl to a reporter, and neither should the self-proclaimed "Dale Carnegie of Witches". This woman has lost 100% of any repsect points I may have originally provided to her because she comes across as a complete airhead. Wonderful chick to have representing witches to the media, huh?

samiaminsane
June 20th, 2004, 10:40 AM
umm... Bad choice of words for Cabot?
She didn't say 'I curse you', just 'you are cursed'.
But still, I don't walk around telling people they're cursed.

HorseCrow
June 20th, 2004, 10:54 AM
I haven't heard of her before, bit to me it seems like a storm in a glass of water.

scaerie faerie
June 20th, 2004, 12:22 PM
No wonder we come across as total flakes. Dale Carnegie wouldn't sound like a valley girl to a reporter, and neither should the self-proclaimed "Dale Carnegie of Witches". This woman has lost 100% of any repsect points I may have originally provided to her because she comes across as a complete airhead. Wonderful chick to have representing witches to the media, huh?

[Nods]

Convallaria
June 20th, 2004, 12:27 PM
have any of you seen practical magic? Shes a witch.. OBVIOUSLY shes out to hurt someone ...:rolleyes:

Phoenix Blue
June 20th, 2004, 12:30 PM
"Zis is cursed, zat is cursed!" Blah blah blah, Laurie. And the asinine levels of make-up don't make you intimidating, either.

Boogins
June 20th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Laurie likes being scary. I love Salem, but I wish her store would fall off the wharf. It's close enough...

Phoenix Blue
June 20th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Laurie likes being scary. I love Salem, but I wish her store would fall off the wharf. It's close enough...
Oh, she's scary, but not the way she thinks. ;)

Boogins
June 20th, 2004, 01:05 PM
You got that straight, PB! :)

WrathofCirce
June 20th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Oh, she's scary, but not the way she thinks. ;)

I've seen Laurie, and you are sooooo right.

Pesha
June 20th, 2004, 01:13 PM
I've seen Laurie, and you are sooooo right.

Yeppers. I have met her. She seemed a bit full of herself. Anyhoo.......curse or no curse, I tend not to beleive everything I read or hear.

BB
DS.

mara
June 20th, 2004, 02:07 PM
I've always enjoyed her books, and I do enjoy a good character but she has seemed to go off the deep end. I do understand though when your emotions are running high saying dumb things..in times of powerlessness we use what we we have. A muscular man might throw a punch..she threw a curse.If someone was trying to take my grandson away I might say or do something I shouldn't.I can almost guarantee it.

sincerebliss
June 20th, 2004, 02:22 PM
I think maybe she was just trying to psyche them out. I don't think she put a curse on them..I think she was saying that a curse would be put on them by the nature of karma since they were doing something wrong...;)

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 02:50 PM
I wasn't sure if I should put this here but it didn't seem to fit anywhere else :)

Anyway... It seems that Laurie Cabot "Salem's Offical Witch" put a curse on police officers who were attempting to return her grandchild to his/her father.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/3435992/detail.html
I saw that on a CNN video clip. Kinda made me cringe because people are gonna take that whole thing the WRONG way

banondraig
June 20th, 2004, 02:59 PM
have any of you seen practical magic? Shes a witch.. OBVIOUSLY shes out to hurt someone ...:rolleyes:

no, but i have seen real life, and i know people get very passionate about things involving children, and also that they behave in stupid ways about things they don't understand. i think both forces are at work here.

Convallaria
June 20th, 2004, 03:08 PM
no, but i have seen real life, and i know people get very passionate about things involving children, and also that they behave in stupid ways about things they don't understand. i think both forces are at work here.
Very good point

scaerie faerie
June 20th, 2004, 03:20 PM
"Zis is cursed, zat is cursed!" Blah blah blah, Laurie. And the asinine levels of make-up don't make you intimidating, either.

And the same goes for the Grandma Addams wardrobe! :D

Aidron
June 20th, 2004, 03:35 PM
I go around telling people they're cursed, and in fact that I curse them. It's really just an excuse to work people into an uproar and watch them go into cardiac arrest. So, if anyone out there has a problem with me 'representing' you this way, tough.

As for her make-up, I've seen plenty of Pagans in my life that look scary, and not in the intentional way. Before we start tearing apart her make-up, make sure you practice good hygiene and aren't wearing too much make-up, cologne, or perfume yourselves, cause 9 times out of 10, the Pagans I run into to are guilty of most of this and more.

Then again, I find it silly to worry about being 'represented' by someone who isn't you. If you're going to worry about that you might as well worry about everyone of your own racial heritage representing you poorly, or people in your neighborhood, or anyone else you have something in common with (which is everyone). Honestly, people worry too much. It's enough to give me a bloody headache.

charmedkisses1
June 20th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Honestly people like that tire me :doh2:

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 04:20 PM
I go around telling people they're cursed, and in fact that I curse them. It's really just an excuse to work people into an uproar and watch them go into cardiac arrest. So, if anyone out there has a problem with me 'representing' you this way, tough.

As for her make-up, I've seen plenty of Pagans in my life that look scary, and not in the intentional way. Before we start tearing apart her make-up, make sure you practice good hygiene and aren't wearing too much make-up, cologne, or perfume yourselves, cause 9 times out of 10, the Pagans I run into to are guilty of most of this and more.

Then again, I find it silly to worry about being 'represented' by someone who isn't you. If you're going to worry about that you might as well worry about everyone of your own racial heritage representing you poorly, or people in your neighborhood, or anyone else you have something in common with (which is everyone). Honestly, people worry too much. It's enough to give me a bloody headache.
Good point, but people who belong to a group dont like it when someone who is part of that group has exstensive contact with the media and isnt to thier personal liking. I personally think the woman is a little scary but she seems like a nice ol' lady.

Some people dress extreme to GET a shock out of people. I personally do it sometimes, I have this huge metal finger cover that goes over your pointer finger, it looks like a claw. Its really cool but it HURTS to wear so I rarely wear it but its funny to have people look at my hand, look away then do a double take. I dress very blah when compared to most people, if it wasnt for my red hair youd have nothing at all to distinguish me from others. But I DO have to admit, her eyeshadow was a tad much.

Aidron
June 20th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Good point, but people who belong to a group dont like it when someone who is part of that group has exstensive contact with the media and isnt to thier personal liking. I personally think the woman is a little scary but she seems like a nice ol' lady.

Unless you belong to her specific tradition I don't even see how this is relevant. Then again, I find it extremely superficial for people to get all worked up over how people percieve others who they feel 'represent' them. :rolleyes:


Some people dress extreme to GET a shock out of people. I personally do it sometimes, I have this huge metal finger cover that goes over your pointer finger, it looks like a claw. Its really cool but it HURTS to wear so I rarely wear it but its funny to have people look at my hand, look away then do a double take. I dress very blah when compared to most people, if it wasnt for my red hair youd have nothing at all to distinguish me from others. But I DO have to admit, her eyeshadow was a tad much.

And some people dress in an extraordinary manner cause it suits them, such as me for example. I'm perfectly content with people leaving me alone, not touching my jewelry, or asking me questions about my attire. I do it cause I enjoy it, and anyone else's thoughts on it, whether for shock or praise are trivial to me. Her make-up is heavy, but I've seen plenty of people who do that and simply don't understand proper make-up application, or who like the glamourous evening look even during the day, the make-up you typically wear at night due to lower visibility that will stand out more. I don't see anyone here looking their noses down at so-called goths and we have quite a few here, both are extreme most often in attire and tend to prefer darker colors. Personally, if she were younger and not a media personality I don't think anyone would give a crap.

P.S. Stop wearing it if it hurts, silly.

WrathofCirce
June 20th, 2004, 04:45 PM
I'm wondering if Salem isn't hurting for some tourism of late. Afterall, they could add the station to the tour.... house of seven gables, witch's museum, ... police cursed by Laurie Cabot, who is already one of the tourist attractions. The one thing that always strikes me about Salem is how commercial witchcraft is there.

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 05:39 PM
Unless you belong to her specific tradition I don't even see how this is relevant. Then again, I find it extremely superficial for people to get all worked up over how people percieve others who they feel 'represent' them. :rolleyes:



And some people dress in an extraordinary manner cause it suits them, such as me for example. I'm perfectly content with people leaving me alone, not touching my jewelry, or asking me questions about my attire. I do it cause I enjoy it, and anyone else's thoughts on it, whether for shock or praise are trivial to me. Her make-up is heavy, but I've seen plenty of people who do that and simply don't understand proper make-up application, or who like the glamourous evening look even during the day, the make-up you typically wear at night due to lower visibility that will stand out more. I don't see anyone here looking their noses down at so-called goths and we have quite a few here, both are extreme most often in attire and tend to prefer darker colors. Personally, if she were younger and not a media personality I don't think anyone would give a crap.

P.S. Stop wearing it if it hurts, silly.
But its too COOL not to wear! :D

I like to be wierd, but only with certain things, my room is certainly quite wierd, my folder has alot of wierd pictures on it and I have a thing for strange jewelry. Im not saying that everyone who dresses outlandishly is trying to cause shock, sorry if it came off that way. Around here ALOT of older people look down on just teenagers in general, not just punks or goths.

Bec_W
June 20th, 2004, 05:40 PM
Unless you belong to her specific tradition I don't even see how this is relevant. Then again, I find it extremely superficial for people to get all worked up over how people percieve others who they feel 'represent' them. :rolleyes:


That's not true. To the media and the public at large she *is* representing us. The "uninformed" public wont disern against her tradition and those of us who don't follow it. They see her as a witch, they see us as witches and they think one in the same. That's why people get their panties in a twist when people who aren't putting their best foot forward publicly state that they're witches or pagan or wiccan. It may be wrong, but public conciousness tars us with the same brush.

In fact I think Laurie herself talks about this very issue in "Power of the Witch". She says that a women in Salem attended one of her classes and then began running around dressed like a witch pretending to cast spells on people. (From memory) she talks about how worried she was that people would get the wrong idea about real witches from this women.

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 05:42 PM
That's not true. To the media and the public at large she *is* representing us. The "uninformed" public wont disern against her tradition and those of us who don't follow it. They see her as a witch, they see us as witches and they think one in the same. That's why people get their panties in a twist when people who aren't putting their best foot forward publicly state that they're witches or pagan or wiccan. It may be wrong, but public conciousness tars us with the same brush.

In fact I think Laurie herself talks about this very issue in "Power of the Witch". She says that a women in Salem attended one of her classes and then began running around dressed like a witch pretending to cast spells on people. (From memory) she talks about how worried she was that people would get the wrong idea about real witches from this women.
Very true. People have a "lumping complex", they lump things they dont understand or things that sound similar together. Pagan, Wiccan, Witch, people just assume theyre all one and the same.

Convallaria
June 20th, 2004, 05:54 PM
I rather like her... I don't know, the stream video made the copps look like asses for whining that she cursed them. If the world chooses to see her as my representative thats fine. Thats their ignorance. I am very different from her and thats all that matters unless they decided to burn the lot of us because of her. Until that happens (though I'm sure it wont) I wont be too worried about it.

Yasmine Galenorn
June 20th, 2004, 06:01 PM
Very true. People have a "lumping complex", they lump things they dont understand or things that sound similar together. Pagan, Wiccan, Witch, people just assume theyre all one and the same.

Yeah, people do that but it shouldn't stop people from being who they are. I tend to dress appropriately for the situation, but that's my desire. However, I am covered with Very visible tattoos...they're for me and my spiritual path, and what people think of them is of no consequence--actually, they tend to be either an ice breaker (you'd be surprised how many straight looking elderly people like them) or they tend to make people shy away from me (which is fine, if they aren't open to alternative looks--whether it be an Muslim in a turban or me with tattoos or an older woman who wants to wear Spandex--then they probably wouldn't want to know me anyway).

Now, I expect to get looked at because of my tattoos, I can't expect people to pretend not to see them, so if I get my nose out of joint when people ask about them, that's MY problem, not theirs. Just as someone who dresses Goth can expect to be looked at as young and rebellious, or a suit can expect to be looked at as a straight and possibly narrow person.

You see, every look has a category that stereotyping has given it...and it's up to our attitudes to break that stereotype. We can do this by getting to know others for who they are, not for what their looks says...and that requires a little more than a superficial glance-and-sort attitude. It requires really listening to what the person is saying, and then deciding if we want to know them.

I happen to love Laurie Cabot's book Power of the Witch...I would never dress like her because it's not my nature/personality...I prefer more of the 'glamor' type makeup and clothes that are pretty and a combo of gypsy/professional. But that's me...I'm not about to tell her she shouldn't dress the way she likes to.

Yasmine :colorful:

Phoenix Blue
June 20th, 2004, 06:02 PM
That's not true. To the media and the public at large she *is* representing us. The "uninformed" public wont disern against her tradition and those of us who don't follow it. They see her as a witch, they see us as witches and they think one in the same. That's why people get their panties in a twist when people who aren't putting their best foot forward publicly state that they're witches or pagan or wiccan. It may be wrong, but public conciousness tars us with the same brush.
It occurs to me that, if enough Wiccans and Pagans contacted the media and informed them that, "No, in fact, Laurie Cabot does not represent all Wiccans and Pagans," maybe people wouldn't be left with that impression after all. :)

Bec_W
June 20th, 2004, 06:34 PM
But wouldn't that mean we'd have to organise pagans? :lol:

It's not a bad idea though, maybe this is a whole other thread, but how would you do that? Ask people to write in off their own bat? Start a petition? Collect responses via email and forward them to TV station enmass?

LadyTrinity
June 20th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Lets see if anything turns up in the papers about the cobs curse at work. :hmmmmm:

Erebus
June 20th, 2004, 06:58 PM
It occurs to me that, if enough Wiccans and Pagans contacted the media and informed them that, "No, in fact, Laurie Cabot does not represent all Wiccans and Pagans," maybe people wouldn't be left with that impression after all.

Yeah, THAT sells papers/gets ratings....

Aidron
June 20th, 2004, 07:07 PM
That's not true. To the media and the public at large she *is* representing us. The "uninformed" public wont disern against her tradition and those of us who don't follow it. They see her as a witch, they see us as witches and they think one in the same. That's why people get their panties in a twist when people who aren't putting their best foot forward publicly state that they're witches or pagan or wiccan. It may be wrong, but public conciousness tars us with the same brush.

In fact I think Laurie herself talks about this very issue in "Power of the Witch". She says that a women in Salem attended one of her classes and then began running around dressed like a witch pretending to cast spells on people. (From memory) she talks about how worried she was that people would get the wrong idea about real witches from this women.


The uninformed public can kiss my broomstick. Why people run around wasting energy on trying to inform people when most often they clearly do not and most often when it should not even matter eludes me. There are times when it is prudent to present the facts, but if people wish to proceed through life forming uninformed generalizations in their head with no basis of wisdom or proper insight to back them up, they're happy to waste all the energy they wish in doing so. I on the other hand am not going to give one thought to people who happen to have known another Witch, Pagan, Wiccan, or anyone involved in the occult and then begin to assume things about me. The opinion of the 'uninformed' public is irrelevant since most of them prefer to remain as such.

This sort of tasteless attacks and audacity to presume to tell someone or judge someone on the basis that you feel they represent you poorly is ridiculous. They do not represent you. You represent you, and whining about how another lives their life is not only a waste of energy, but just plain silly. If she wishes to dress in a pseudo-gothic nature with a ton of make-up on, good for her so long as she's happy. With all due respect to everyone in this community, I would like to see one of you or anyone else outside of this community try and tell me I could not wear or say something whether I was in the public eye or not for fear that I may misrepresent you, cause anyone did I'd let them know right quick where they can stick that sort of thinking.

Bec_W
June 20th, 2004, 07:18 PM
This sort of tasteless attacks and audacity to presume to tell someone or judge someone on the basis that you feel they represent you poorly is ridiculous. They do not represent you. You represent you, and whining about how another lives their life is not only a waste of energy, but just plain silly. If she wishes to dress in a pseudo-gothic nature with a ton of make-up on, good for her so long as she's happy. With all due respect to everyone in this community, I would like to see one of you or anyone else outside of this community try and tell me I could not wear or say something whether I was in the public eye or not for fear that I may misrepresent you, cause anyone did I'd let them know right quick where they can stick that sort of thinking.

*sigh* Did I ever attack her on her appearance? I could give a fly..... about what she chooses to wear or how she does her make up and hair. Did I ever attack her period?

soilsigh aingeal
June 20th, 2004, 07:23 PM
:goodgrief

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 07:31 PM
The uninformed public can kiss my broomstick. Why people run around wasting energy on trying to inform people when most often they clearly do not and most often when it should not even matter eludes me. There are times when it is prudent to present the facts, but if people wish to proceed through life forming uninformed generalizations in their head with no basis of wisdom or proper insight to back them up, they're happy to waste all the energy they wish in doing so. I on the other hand am not going to give one thought to people who happen to have known another Witch, Pagan, Wiccan, or anyone involved in the occult and then begin to assume things about me. The opinion of the 'uninformed' public is irrelevant since most of them prefer to remain as such.

This sort of tasteless attacks and audacity to presume to tell someone or judge someone on the basis that you feel they represent you poorly is ridiculous. They do not represent you. You represent you, and whining about how another lives their life is not only a waste of energy, but just plain silly. If she wishes to dress in a pseudo-gothic nature with a ton of make-up on, good for her so long as she's happy. With all due respect to everyone in this community, I would like to see one of you or anyone else outside of this community try and tell me I could not wear or say something whether I was in the public eye or not for fear that I may misrepresent you, cause anyone did I'd let them know right quick where they can stick that sort of thinking.
Your very fortunate to be the kind of person who can have a "dont care" atitude about how people think of you. But misconceptions can be a big problem for some people, they can be passed over for jobs/promotions, physically/verbally harassed, ostrasized from social life, treated like a person of lower status and much more. Its better sometimes, SOMETIMES, to expend a little extra effort to enlighten some of the morons to make life a little easier

soilsigh aingeal
June 20th, 2004, 07:36 PM
Your very fortunate to be the kind of person who can have a "dont care" atitude about how people think of you. But misconceptions can be a big problem for some people, they can be passed over for jobs/promotions, physically/verbally harassed, ostrasized from social life, treated like a person of lower status and much more. Its better sometimes, SOMETIMES, to expend a little extra effort to enlighten some of the morons to make life a little easier
I agree with this but many people are still so ignorant that they just won't hear others out on topics that are this foreign to them. They're still going to think what they want after you've exhausted yourself trying to make them understand... My point is, if people will sit and listen and take everything in and not let it out the other ear, go for it, than it's worth it, but I believe that most of society is still not ready for this.
**Edit: My point is that you can ramble all you want but somewhere you're still going to have the harrasment, violence, etc. So the only thing we can do is not care.

Antoninus
June 20th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Well some people wouldnt understand that grass is green even if you put thier head on the ground and smashed it with a hammer. But there ARE those people who are just mis-informed, not true morons, but they ARE on thier way. They just need a little nudge so they dont skid off the road into the Ditch of Dumba**es

Vanessa TPD
June 20th, 2004, 08:15 PM
On a lighter note, L00K AT TEH GLASSES.

Phoenix Blue
June 20th, 2004, 09:42 PM
But misconceptions can be a big problem for some people, they can be passed over for jobs/promotions, physically/verbally harassed, ostrasized from social life, treated like a person of lower status and much more.
Yes, they can. . . if you make your religion someone else's business to begin with. Keep your religion outside the workplace, and you'll have to put up with a lot less crap.

Boogins
June 20th, 2004, 10:00 PM
And it's vastly superior to walking about claiming jurisdiction over an entire city while looking like a walking stereotype, thereby causing your fellows in that city (a high population in Salem, with over 2800 people identifying themselves as witches) to look like perfect idiots...

SpiritWitch
June 21st, 2004, 12:39 AM
I've always enjoyed her books, and I do enjoy a good character but she has seemed to go off the deep end. I do understand though when your emotions are running high saying dumb things..in times of powerlessness we use what we we have. A muscular man might throw a punch..she threw a curse.If someone was trying to take my grandson away I might say or do something I shouldn't.I can almost guarantee it.


Ditto!

Wascally Wabbit
June 21st, 2004, 06:01 AM
I like the idea of a woman standing up to a police department and the legal apparatus to protect her grandchild. I don't why you're all so uptight about her clothing. It's not like we're a bunch of Republicans (well, except a few . . ) Do you know what some of you look like with your tattoos and piercings, etc.?

Why does a witch have to look one way or another?

banondraig
June 21st, 2004, 07:33 AM
Why does a witch have to look one way or another?[/INDENT]

we don't. we are all individual people, which is the point Raven Greywind has been making. people can either see us as who we are, or lump us into categories. people who don't like being lumped in with Laurie Cabot for being a witch, or George Bush for being american, or whatever, will have to either distance themselves from the disliked people, either actively by proclaiming themselves different, passively by means of the "broom closet", or simply dressing in a mainstream fashion and not discussing religion in the presence of "lumpers", or stop worrying about the whole thing.

as a woman in the military, i am always hearing stories about how some other female soldier got pregnant "to avoid deployment", or started crying under stress, or some such crap. i don't get annoyed with the people taken as representative of me. i think the greater stupidity belongs to the people who think i will fail just because i am a woman. the only thing one can really do is deal with these things on an individual level. then these people will be able to tell stories about me always doing well. :bigredgri

Aidron
June 21st, 2004, 07:35 AM
Yes, they can. . . if you make your religion someone else's business to begin with. Keep your religion outside the workplace, and you'll have to put up with a lot less crap.


This is one of the main problems. People assume that simply because I may wear a pentacle on the outside of my clothing (sorry, I don't buy into the 'closeness' factor and it look ridiculous to have a bulge under my clothing) that I want to talk about it. It's there, it's none of your business. In these cases I simply tell the person "I don't wish to talk about it, but thanks for the compliment". Ever notice how they'll compliment you only to set you up so they can attempt to tear apart your beliefs? :rolleyes:

Don't make it an issue and often (notice I said 'often') it won't be. Then again, I discuss it with very few people to begin with. People feel that if you open up to discuss this sort of thing with them that they have a right to tell you 'how it is'.

In the matter of jobs, again, I do not see how this is even an issue. When you go to apply for a job take off your jewelry or don't and simply accept the fact that some people may not be comfortable with you working there. If a conversation discussing it ever comes up, simply tell them you're not interested in bringing your private matters into the work place and would prefer to focus on your job. Most bosses will appreciate this attitude I've found.

Phoenix Blue
June 21st, 2004, 07:37 AM
Wabbit, do you think you can leave your insulting remarks about Republicans in the Political forum, please?

Kyra Kismet
June 21st, 2004, 07:39 AM
It all seems a little silly really! All it is, is people over reacting!

Xentor
June 21st, 2004, 07:42 AM
It's not like we're a bunch of Republicans (well, except a few . . )

Some of us are Republicans.

mara
June 21st, 2004, 11:50 AM
I think that she has said that she dresses like that in part so that people will ask questions about witches, and then uses the opportunity to educate people. Maybe maybe she doesn't portray the image that many witches want, but really what has she done wrong here other than be human? I do not mean this about anyone here, but It just seems like whenever someone is financially successful or becomes famous the stone throwing begins. How many of us desire or have done spells for financial gain ? Its alright for someone to succeed a little, but just not too much. She gave us the Witches League for Public awareness and as far as I am concerned has written some very good books.. She isn't all bad. I admittedly don't know a lot about her, but Silver Ravenwolf is another person who is constantly torn down ..I just don't see where she has done anything that horrible for people to dislike her as much as they do.All in all I am much more embarrassed by the behavior of militant types who are constantly looking for a confrontation..just my opinion.

luna rising
June 21st, 2004, 12:58 PM
On a lighter note, L00K AT TEH GLASSES.

Yikes. She looks a bit like Dame Edna. With a little Dee Snider thrown in for good measure. Oh well, more power to her.

Never heard of her before, but she does come off sounding a bit silly in the story. I watched the clip and it was a little better, but still :spinnysmi

redlady
June 21st, 2004, 05:02 PM
Just a few remarks-Laurie is only the "official" witch of Salem because that dumb-ass Mike Dukakis said she was. The buffoon with the big helmet sticking out of the tank when he ran for president,remember?? 'Nuff said on that count.
I am a Salem witch and she certainly does NOT represent me! Not because of her makeup or attire. There are things she's said and done that have caused many here in Salem to lose any respect we ever had for her, which in many ways is very sad and unfortunate. :nuhuh: I could go into it, but it's akin to airing one's dirty linen in public.
The Salem police where only doing their job, enforcing a court order. What's next? Cursing EMT's responding to a car accident she may have caused or sticking pins in a librarian doll if Laurie gets a fine for returning a book late? Nice move. The present city administration is already on a crusade to run witches out of town and this is precisely the kind of crap the rest of us DON'T need-an old wack job running off at the mouth. I don't doubt for a second that she "cursed" them, and now she runs behind the "three-fold law" to cover her butt and say she never did? She's a hypocritical disgrace. If you cursed someone because you TRULY felt your family was threatened,then admit it! That's what a REAL Salem WITCH would do!!

mara
June 21st, 2004, 05:17 PM
[ If you cursed someone because you TRULY felt your family was threatened,then admit it! That's what a REAL Salem WITCH would do!![/QUOTE]
True.. that is a good point.

TheTempestuous1
June 21st, 2004, 10:09 PM
She seems like a wacko to me... and come on... the glasses?? I tend to not like famous "witches" in general just because they always seem to be overblown. But oh well...

TheTempestuous1
June 21st, 2004, 10:11 PM
Some of us are Republicans.

But thank god most of us aren't ;) :halohead: :nyah: :lol: te hee :::runs away:::

StephanieAine
June 22nd, 2004, 05:02 AM
I'm confused about the article. I wish they would have given a lengthier quote from Cabot, and would have explained the scenario a little bit better, because even Cabot's *explanation* of events makes no sense.

If you read the article, basically it's just a quickie: this is what the police department are saying Cabot did, and why (a hex, allegedly because of the custody dispute). This is Cabot's explanation of what happened from her perspective ("you are cursed" as opposed to cursing them).

If she *did* make a statement basically saying that, in her viewpoint, they are cursed - so to speak - *why* would she say that? It doesn't make sense. They're coming in to her house to arrest her daughter, and so she looks them in the eye and tells them that she notices, down deep in their eyes, there are indicators of cursedness in there or something?

I don't see what would make her even *think* to make such a comment. Let's say that she did for some reason notice such a thing about them - would THAT be the moment to bring it up? I would think she wouldn't want to say that to the officers who are arresting her daughter. It would seem more logical to think that maybe she *did* say "I curse you" or in some veiled way indicate that she was "doing" something to them. In context with the situation, it just makes more sense.

But, then again, it also seems unwise for "the official witch of Salem" to make such a statement indicating her displeasure and the fact that she would be, hypothetically, putting the big "zap" on them. Just as it would be a bit risky to offend the officers with the "gee, you look kind of cursed, officer" - it would be very risky to tell them you're going to put some sort of curse on them, too.

I'd love to know a more detailed version of the events to get a better idea of how things went down.

TheTempestuous1
June 22nd, 2004, 06:53 AM
good point stephanie