Give us back the henge!!

[Jaroson]

Just posting a link to a news article about the archdruid of Wales and Stonehenge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3830547.stm

[Convallaria]

I feel kindof dumb, but does he mean physically moving the structure to Wales?

[Garry Denke]

I feel kindof dumb, but does he mean physically moving the structure to Wales?
Only the Welsh rocks physically go back to Wales sunset_winds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3830547.stm

We visited the good Doctor Robyn Lewis who staked the official claim on behalf of all fellow druids, all bards and all the Welsh compatriots. The Archdruid of Wales made no claim to our artifacts:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040614/stonehenge.html

Discoveries sparked it. Glacial transport disproven. So much for the Judd, Kellaway, Hawkins, Williams-Thorpe, et al, glacial transport. Thomas, Atkinson, Greene, Scourse, et al, would be proud:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/?view=usa&sf=toc&ci=0197261744

Here is the good Doctor's requested list of Welsh rocks that need to go back to Wales. They are in the way of the excavation of our gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, and stone artifacts anyway. The Archdruid of Wales, the good Doctor Robyn Lewis, has offered to pay for their removal, as agreed, making this a low cost excavation:

http://groups.msn.com/ArkArchaeology/shoebox.msnw

1) Stonehenge Whitestones - The oldest limestone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Early Carboniferous (Mississippian) Period, Arundian Age, calcium carbonates. The Early Carboniferous (Mississippian) Period limestone sedimentary rocks comprise the first (1st) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 340 million years old. These stones are called High Tor (Birnbeck) Limestone Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

2) Stonehenge Bluestones - The volcanic rocks (oldest geologically) at Stonehenge are the Ordovician Period intrusive igneous diabases (dolerites), and extrusive igneous felsites (rhyolites) and tuffs (basic). The Ordovician Period igneous rocks comprise the second (2nd) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 470 million years old. These stones are called Ordovician Volcanic rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

3) Stonehenge Coshestons - The oldest sandstone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Silurian-Devonian Period micaceous sandstones. The Silurian-Devonian Period sandstone sedimentary rocks comprise the third (3rd) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 417 million years old. These stones are called Old Red Sandstone Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

4) Stonehenge Gritstones - The sandstone grit, conglomerate, limestone, shale, and coal sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian), Namurian Age, silicates, calcium carbonates, and carbons. The Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period sandstone grit, conglomerate, limestone, shale, and coal sedimentary rocks comprise the fourth (4th) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 320 million years old. These stones are called Millstone Grit Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

5) Stonehenge Coalstones - The bituminous coal sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period, Westphalian Age, carbons. The Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period bituminous coal sedimentary rocks comprise the fifth (5th) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 310 million years old. These stones are called Crosskeys Coal Measures rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

Here Here to the good Doctor, the Archdruid of Wales!

Garry Denke

ps. These rocks get to stay at Stonehenge sunset_winds:

1) Stonehenge White Chalk - The outcrop sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Cretaceous Period, Santonian Age, calcium carbonates. The Late Cretaceous Period outcrop sedimentary rocks comprise the first (1st) English construction material used by the Stonehenge builders of England. This material is approximately 85 million years old. These stones are called Seaford Chalk Formation rocks. They are English and belong in England.

2) Stonehenge Sarsens - The youngest sandstone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Oligocene-Miocene (Tertiary) Period silicates. The Oligocene- Miocene Period sandstone sedimentary rocks comprise the second (2nd) English construction material used by the Stonehenge builders of England. This material is approximately 24 million years old. These stones are called Reading Formation rocks. They are English and belong in England.

Unless of course Marlborough wants the Sarsens back, Save and Except; the Heelstone of Hampshire County:

In 22 separate excavations, for which the detailed records are published, a total of "over 11,500 stone fragments were recorded" at Stonehenge (PROCEEDINGS AT THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92, SCIENCE AND STONEHENGE, Cunliffe & Renfrew, 1997, pages 258-9), representing all of its different lithologies. Approximately 4,000 sarsen chips, including "a total of 3,760 sarsen fragments", and "sarsen sand from the area", excavated by Lieutenant-Colonel William Hawley (REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923, W. Hawley, 1925, pages 21-50), from a single location within ten (10) meters of the Heelstone, in the Avenue between the Heelstone and the Slaughter Stone, "do strongly suggest that a stone was either dressed or broken up in the vicinity" (STONEHENGE, Cleal, Walker, Montague, 1995, page 290), in front of the Heelstone carvings. In 1975, Arizona State University (ASU) GLG 324 Petrology-Petrography class analised the Cainozoic Reading Formation sarsen samples provided by Professor Richard Atkinson from the London Basin, the Hampshire Basin, and from each of the sarsens at Stonehenge. The ASU 1975 GLG 324 Petrology-Petrography class determined through optical mineralogy and geochemical analysis that the source area of the Palaeogene-Oligocene age heavy mineralogy Heelstone was from the Hampshire Basin located to the south of Stonehenge, and all of the rest of the Neogene-Miocene age lighter mineralogy sarsens at Stonehenge were from the London Basin to the north of Stonehenge. It was from this first detailed analysis by ASU in 1975, and the subsequent works of H. Howard 1982; A petrological study of the rock specimens from excavations at Stonehenge, 1979-1980, in M.W. Pitts, 1982, 104-24, where the Heelstone carvings fragment chips from its sculpture were determined. In short, the piles of sarsen chips and sarsen sand at the sarsen Heelstone, "do strongly suggest that a stone was either dressed or broken up in the vicinity" (STONEHENGE, Cleal, Walker, Montague, 1995, page 290), in front of the Heelstone Lion head, Calf head, Man face (clockwise), and Eagle wings (centering) carvings:

http://www.freewebs.com/garrydenke

Bibliography:

REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923
William Hawley
Antiq. J., 5
1925
21-50
Hele Stone, sarsen chips,
and sarsen sand

STONEHENGE
R.J.C. Atkinson
PENGUIN BOOKS
in association with Hamish Hamilton
1956
ISBN 0140136460
INDEX 221
Carvings, prehistoric,
43-7, 91-3, 139-40, 178-9, 208-9
Heel Stone,
29-30,68-9, 70, 76, 105, 173, 203

STONEHENGE in its landscape; Twentieth-century excavations
Rosamund M J Cleal, K E Walker, and R Montague with major contributions by Michael J Allen, Alex Bayliss, C Bronk Ramsey, Linda Coleman, Julie Gardiner, P A Harding, Rupert Housley, Andrew J Lawson, Gerry McCormac, Jacqueline I McKinley, Andrew Payne, Robert G Scaife, Dale Serjeantson, and Geoff Wainwright
ENGLISH HERITAGE
1995
ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT 10
ISBN 1850746052
INDEX 603, 608
carvings, prehistoric
30-3, Plate 7.2
Heelstone (Stone 96),
25, 26, 166, 269, 270, 271, 272

PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92
Science and Stonehenge
Edited by
BARRY CUNLIFFE & COLIN RENFREW
Published for THE BRITISH ACADEMY
by OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS
1997
ISBN 0197261744
INDEX 351, 355
carvings, prehistoric
5, 29, 35, 150, 338
Heelstone (Stone 96)
15, 16, 28, 155

HENGEWORLD
Mike Pitts
C
CENTURY . LONDON
2000
ISBN 0712679545
INDEX 402, 403
Stonehenge
carvings
8, 26, 265-6, 296-7, 27, 266
Heelstone
8, 96, 135, 139, 145-50, 154, 229, 266, 275, 7, 138, 146, 230

[Rockprincess]

This is, to me, assinine.

[Tsuchimaru]

This is, to me, assinine.

Agreed....

[Myrddyn Emrys]

I think the new Arch Druid of Wales is a fruitloop!!

He's changing the only rule to the Eisteddfod, the using of the Welsh language. THAT was why it was created, to foster the Cymric language!

He wants to use FAKE stones for the Gorsedd assembly? Sure, let me get my plastic harp, my compressed foam staff and throw on my polyester ceremonial robe and I'll meet you there...

[Rockprincess]

He wants to use FAKE stones for the Gorsedd assembly? Sure, let me get my plastic harp, my compressed foam staff and throw on my polyester ceremonial robe and I'll meet you there...
:rollingla: :rotfl: :rollingla

How did this man get named Arch Druid of Wales? Is it an official designation?

[turtlerain46]

I think the new Arch Druid of Wales is a fruitloop!!

He's changing the only rule to the Eisteddfod, the using of the Welsh language. THAT was why it was created, to foster the Cymric language!

He wants to use FAKE stones for the Gorsedd assembly? Sure, let me get my plastic harp, my compressed foam staff and throw on my polyester ceremonial robe and I'll meet you there...
:lol: :yayah: and I'll make sure to bring lots of alchohol to sell so everyone can be nice and drunk while doing such a "sacred" thing. I think this guy should be run out on a pole. Perhaps he has alzheimers. I wonder just how hard the person who first read this letter laughed. I mean, your at work and recieve a letter demanding that stonehenge be moved back to wales??? :ahhhh: :falloffch

[Myrddyn Emrys]

:rollingla: :rotfl: :rollingla

How did this man get named Arch Druid of Wales? Is it an official designation?
Possibly found his Sacred Ultra High Grand Poobah Secret Decoder Ring in a box of Trix...(silly rabbit! ):durrrr:

[HorseCrow]

This guy can not be serious!

Did any of you see the doc. on Discovery the other day, where scientist/historians claim to be able to prove that the henge has nothing to do with summer solstice and the sun, but in fact winter solstice and the moon? It was very interresting.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

It's amazing at times how long it takes these people to catch up with things. One of the inner sets of stones nunbers 19 stones, the number of years it takes the moon to return to the exact same position in the sky.

[Leander]

Hmmm...I wonder if our pompously titled arch-friend knows just how much it will cost to move 50 tonne sarsens almost 200 miles to Wales. And he offered to PAY FOR IT!? Wierd guy. Anyway, it would completely mess up the henge, and perhaps he has forgotten to note that the henge might, just might have been put in Salisbury for a reason. Or of course did they mean to put it in Wales but take a wrong turn?

[WinterTree]

He wants to WHAT???? MOVE STONEHENGE???? :jawdrop: Good Gods, I can't beleive it!!

[Myrddyn Emrys]

He wants to WHAT???? MOVE STONEHENGE???? :jawdrop: Good Gods, I can't beleive it!!
Believe it, the man's a fruitloop!

[WinterTree]

I think I am going to explode now.....Does the man REALIZE that he is picking apart a very sacred monument that ancient peoples probably labored over for ages trying to put those stones in that exact spot....... :ahhhhhhh:

[Tobias]

And what part of Wales exactly does this guy want to move them to? The exact same place they were quarried out of, I hope?

Heaven forbid they stick them in the wrong part of Wales, and some day when our political boundaries change and they have to be moved again...

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Let's just face it, the Arch Druid of Wales has the thought processes of a dust-bunny!

No,retract that. My apologies to all the dust-bunnies residing under beds everywhere, I didn't mean to insult you...

[Dave the Druid]

I don't know, if you step back and read it for what it's worth this whole thing is quite funny ;)

Perhaps he's just having us on. That said I think he gets his title of 'Arch Druid" at an annual Eisteddfod. Title is honorary.

[Ladyvi]

how to respond to all this.. there are several sides that are itching to just say a few words.

on a more esoteric note. stone henge itself i dont think would allow that to happen. and if it did those that did would find themselves not in a good place. strong sites such as that has a way of biting back.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Good point, Vi.