Dream/Visions of the End of the World(Christian Apocalypse)

[silverphoenix]

Merry Meet,

For the past week I have been having dreams & visions of the Christian Apocalypse; here it is -

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I’m kneeling down; the ground itself is burned black, there are bodies lying around me; mangled, with blood surrounding them all. I look up at the sky, its’ black as pitch; the moon is blood red in colour, although there are no clouds in the sky; thunder and lightning streak across the sky. I can smell the blood as if I was there, the foul stench of blood and charred ground is overwhelming; I look down into my hand and see that I am holding a sword that has a golden blade, a silver handle, with a bronze pentagram emblazed on it. Inside the pentagram is an emerald, beset in the very middle of the Wiccan symbol; the handle has an inscription on it in Latin – it reads, “Gladius ov Divinus Luminarium”. I stand up and look around me; I glance over a partially burned calendar, the date on it reads 2010: the letter of the month I can read begins with a J.
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The visions and dream ends at this point; it may be my mind playing tricks on me but the visions & dreams are very real to me, what could this mean? I mean even though I am Wiccan; I still believe in the Christian prophecy of the end of the world, when the evil shall come to the world; killing nearly everyone until 'Gods Army comes down to save our souls'.
Can someone please help me determine these visions/dream?

Blessed Be

~Silver Phoenix~

[mucgwyrt]

A lot of cultures have an "apocalypse" theory; the norse have ragnarok etc etc, so it's very possible that the world will end at some point. The day before Bede died (I think) the Anglo-Saxons reported that the sun turned red and the skies bled.

What is it about this vision which makes you think it to be the apocalypse, rather than a war for example?

[Phi]

This is scary.

Have you had prophetic dreams in the past?
Or could this be a dream that seems prophetic, but is actually meant to tell you something about your own life/situation/relationships? Dreams are not always what they seem.
Ask yourself if this dream could apply to your own personal life worries or if it seems to be a warning you are supposed to heed, or to give to others.
Since 9/11 many are having dreams of destruction for we have become sensitized to the possibility of sudden disaster caused by terrorists.

Now, this is not to say that you could not be a true prophet via dreams. Just that if the date is 2010, you might have a little bit of time to figure this out for sure. Respect your dreams. Write them in a dream diary to keep track and to better understand them. Also to check any new information that changes slightly a recurring dream. Sometimes dreams follow dreams, meaning that sometimes you will have a dream that seems to give explanation of a previous dream.

[silverphoenix]

No, I have never had visions before this one; it could be war...but with a black sky and red moon? No technology at the moment can influence the concepts of day & night, nor the colour of the moon. I'm sorry; but I have a very bad feeling about these visions & dreams, it just started as a dream but then it turned into visions that I have nearly once a day. The dream has been going on for over a week; but the visions have only started yesterday, what does "Gladius ov Divinus Luminarium" mean; and why am I holding a sword made of pure gold, silver and bronze?

[mucgwyrt]

Of course they can; look how dark the sky gets when it fills with dust :smile:
As I said, there have been reports of a red moon/sun before, so it doesn't necessarily mean the end of our existance.

I have also had dreams of "the apocalypse" and have seen what comes after; I dont doubt what you see, I just wondered why you felt it was specifically the end of the world.

[Phi]

I'm no Latin scholar, but Gladius is the root for both gladiolus(a flower) and gladiator(a warrior). Divinus Luminarium sounds like "divine luminary" to me. Perhaps soon a Latin scholar will spot your post and tell you better.

If it is prophetic of a major war or disaster, and you are seeing a blood moon, that part of it is symbolic likely...google blood moon...Also Macha is right...The fact that you are alive in the midst of death holding a magical sword with words probably means that you are there only in spirit, or that your dream spirit is travelling to a (seeing a calendar) future place.

You might also try googling for mystical or magic meanings of the gold silver brass combo in the sword. (A little reminescent of the dreams of the statue seen by Joseph?)

Still, even though the dream seems to be of war, it could be a warning of great life changes for you...

You seem to sense an urgency about this dream...BTW where do you live...**Phi is leaving that area!**

[silverphoenix]

I've just ran the words of the inscription through an online Latin translator (unreliable but still, worth a try). "Gladius" is the Latin word for sword, "Divinus" means sacred, and "Luminarium" can either mean light or lamp. If I'm correct and my knowledge of Wiccan correspondances is good; gold is the metal of the God, it also represents power & strength does it not? Silver is the metal of the Goddess, it also represents stability & intelligence. So effectively; if you combine the two, wouldn't that create the power of the All? Because the All has two parts that make it up; the God & the Goddess.

The factor of the blood red moon and the dark sky (in Christian prophecy) is that the world has been invaded by a great evil; that will manifest in many forms. Surely you've all heard the Apocalypse tale; where the source of all evil will come to take over the world. Now put into the fact that 'if' my visions/dream come true in some retrospects; a sword possibly containing the power of the All in a world of darkness & death, what does this part mean?

I may be worrying over nothing; but everytime I have the vision or dream I break out of it, then I have a chill running slowly down my spine & my body feels as if its' ran a marathon.

[mucgwyrt]

:uhhuhuh: I agree with Phi; this sounds like a very symbolic dream rather than a literal vision.
I'm not too good with the interpretation thing, but perhaps it's speaking of a personal apocalypse, and is showing you what you need to do in order to overcome it; the sword could represent two sides of you uniting :whatgives and your centred-self, which is powerful enough to overcome whatever this obstacle is.

[mucgwyrt]

I may be worrying over nothing; but everytime I have the vision or dream I break out of it, then I have a chill running slowly down my spine & my body feels as if its' ran a marathon.

Totally normal to be scared of a scarey vision; its just like waking up in a cold sweat after dreaming that ogres are chasing you and want to spoon out your kidneys :lol:

[silverphoenix]

It may be so...but why visions during the day?

[mucgwyrt]

Dont know. I get them every now and again, mostly of past lives though.
It could just be something really important to you, only you know really :smile:

[Phi]

Could be your urgency is only of your fascination with the phenomenon of a strange and compelling dream that also has moved into your waking world.

You are doing fine. Google "bronze and emerald" too. Discover what other things the pentagram might symbolize, as it was a sacred symbol before Wicca came to be.

Remember that the Chrisitan apocalypse is translated as the end of the world, and could be the end of a cycle of this world...for the Bible also says the world will never end...
Do not frighten yourself, many have dreams and visions. A calm mind will better help you to see if there is a meaning here, or if you have been eating too many jalapenos lately...:tongueout

[mucgwyrt]

:rotfl:

[silverphoenix]

Well I see the pentagram as a symbol of protection, as well as all the elements combining as one. The characteristics for emerald are intelligence & intuition...this is all too much (Lol). What do all these things have in common though - gold blade, silver handle, bronze pentagram with an emerald inside it, the inscription "Sword of Sacred Light", and a blood red moon?

[Phi]

Okay, SP, we're only kiddin' I see you're new here, :foopsies:and might not know that humor thing happens to us here at MW even when we are really taking something seriously.

Don't be offended... we came on your thread to help...but humor can relieve a lot of worry...and there is no wisdom without wit.

Oh I was typing while you were, so I see you took the humor well...good!:lol:

[mucgwyrt]

It's possible though, that luminari referrs to the moon, as it figures so largely in your dream...?

[Phi]

Well, it looks, doesn't it...that within your dream...you are seen to be holding in your hand the Sword of Divine Illumination? (Fits with Macha's comment too...for me the most Divine Illumination is the moon.)

Why don't you see this as a storyline that you should add to...
I'll start: The scene is set by your dream/vision.
A beautiful intuitive young woman is seen holding the Sword of Divine Illumination upon a horrible death/disaster field...

SP?? Macha??....

[mucgwyrt]

Oo err...

The sky rains the blood of her ancestors both past and future, but she is the light in a dark place - she will weather this storm and emerge as a heroine.

[Phi]

No takers on the story way? :collapse: EDIT: Dang Macha...you're slow:hrmm: ...this coulda been so much fun!!!

Okay.
Keep in mind that only the dreamer can really comprehend a dream. So I could be off base. Only you will know what is true.

But here are four options that I see:

1. You seem young. Perhaps you are just coming into your abilities to forsee, and the dream is telling you that you have the abilities, if you develop and have humility in doing so, could make you a powerful fore-seer. (You have in your hand the Sword of Divine Illumination, with the blade of God, the handle of the Goddess, and the protection of the Pentacle. The emerald tells of divinely inspired intuition, intelligence that may be placed in the very palm of your hand. That you see distantly may enable you to become a prophet. That you are in a death scene that it will not always seem a gift, but rather will often be a curse.)

2. You are actually forseeing a disaster, an apocalypse.

3. Both

4. You are so interested in the idea of foresight that you can't help dreaming of being powerful in it.:goodgrief It's really not so fun...

[Faeawyn]

Ok....I'm not getting involved in the story :lol:...but you did make me curious enough to drag out my dream books :)

Blood moon indicates war and strife...could also be internal strife.

To dream of death around you could be a warning of an ending or sorrow. The dead bodies around you could also represent the death of your dreams.

I think the sword represents your strength....perhaps the strength you gain from your Wiccan beliefs.

Maybe the dream means that you're having to let some old beliefs die and it's causing an internal struggle within you....but your new beliefs give you the strength to keep moving forward??????? :D

I took a shot :lol:

[Phi]

Great shot Faeawyn:shot: :tongueout

[mucgwyrt]

No takers on the story way? :collapse: EDIT: Dang Macha...you're slow:hrmm: ...this coulda been so much fun!!!


I'm not slow! :smash:

[Faeawyn]

:smoochypo

[mucgwyrt]

Hmph *pout*

[Phi]

Hmph *pout*:caffeine: :rollingla

[mucgwyrt]

:tongueout

[Phi]

:rubhead: :hehehehe:

:rotfl:

[silverphoenix]

But here are four options that I see:

1. You seem young. Perhaps you are just coming into your abilities to forsee, and the dream is telling you that you have the abilities, if you develop and have humility in doing so, could make you a powerful fore-seer. (You have in your hand the Sword of Divine Illumination, with the blade of God, the handle of the Goddess, and the protection of the Pentacle. The emerald tells of divinely inspired intuition, intelligence that may be placed in the very palm of your hand. That you see distantly may enable you to become a prophet. That you are in a death scene that it will not always seem a gift, but rather will often be a curse.)

2. You are actually forseeing a disaster, an apocalypse.

3. Both

4. You are so interested in the idea of foresight that you can't help dreaming of being powerful in it.:goodgrief It's really not so fun...

Being 17...yes I am 'young' as you so correctly pointed out, Lol. Thanks for the humour; if Phi is correct with prediction 3 in his opinions on my dreams/visions, then we are going to need a lot of humour in the years to come :hehehehe:

[Ladyvi]

i do have to ask a few questions about that sword. and offer a suggestion.

was the sword blooded.. this is important.

also i may suggest that you maybe a guardian. how do i know you ashttp://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/3567/k.. glad you asked that.

i am a guardian. here is a link that will explain what a guardian is. well it ended up there. so much for computer skills. if you have any questions silverphoenix.. i am open to them.

[silverphoenix]

what is a guardian, e-mail me if you can - leewood1987@hotmail.com

[Faeawyn]

I don't mean this in a disrespectful manner at all....it's just the first thing that came to mind to help me understand what guardians do....
but it's kinda like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.....extra strength, extra endurance, fight the bad guy kinda thing??

[Ladyvi]

nooo ... not in the slightest . though martial arts is a part of guardians.. and its recommended to be involved in something of that art. it isnt necessary. i do most of my work astrally and on other planes. or slightly out of phase of this reality. i have done work in the prime material. a guardian is something thats appointed like in wiccan traditions. the guardian is more of who you are than what you are. every guardian i know ( not many) . have a sword. both physical and ethereal or astral.

i put the link in my last post.. umm .. not very good at doing that.

[Pol]

Well, I'm no wiseman or anything, but I am a Christian and do know a bit about the stories told in the Bible.

There are a couple, actually, often confused with one another. There's the story of Jerusalem and the dying and the invaders from the north et cetera, and there's the stories in revelations.
The works of Josephus tell us that some of that has taken place (as was prophesied, things that would soon come to pass for those people to whom the guy was talking. I forget who it was, though). The blood ran up to the horses bridles, people killed their children, et cetera. It was basically hell on earth.

As for the Apocalypse in revelations, it's really more a modern creation than it is biblical. The story in revelations is told to be symbolic at the begining of the book, and there's a lot of speculation on how literal or symbolic it is. I don't see much room for it being literal, and even then a lot of it is not fully understood.
However, by the time that destruction comes, there'll be two kinds of people according to that book: The Good, and the Dead. It reckons that the Children of God will be gone by the time the destruction comes, and that anyone else on earth will be dead.

I'm not sure how firm your belief in the Christian apocalypse story is, but unless you consider yourself a Christian then you won't really fit into the story told there in accordance with what it says in the Bible.
I think it to be literal, there is no hell in my mind, and I believe that all will someday make it to the peaceful heaven of afterlife (after a series of rebirths where we learn our lesson finally).

Anyway, this all doesn't neccesarily relate, it's just - if you believe the Christian apocalypse, your dream doesn't fit much into it. So I would go for the area of it being more symbolic of something.

Perhaps the fact that you are still living, through the protection of your sword of witchy beliefs, it is a symbol that you conquer your belief in a christian's-are-saved apocalypse by the year 2010 and live happily ever after :)

[Dragonstarr]

here's my take on it....but like its already been said here, you are the best judge of your own dreams. i see it as having alot of symbolism, the different metals forming the sword, the emerald and pentagram, you being alive in the midst of death and destruction, perhaps it symbolises your victory over something you needed to conquer by means of your spiritual path, death is but a transition a change...perhaps all this death around you symbolises a major change in you life, one that is completley altering, the fact that the sword you are holding holds the pentagram which is a symbol for your religious beliefs could mean this is the means that you came through this hard time or transition or change. Just ky thoughts on it.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

[silverphoenix]

From what I've read; Guardians are the protectors of the innocent. Ironically; this sounds sort of like the fictional Charmed Ones job description...Lol. They guard & protect the innocent don't they? But if there is a supposed guild called the "Guardians", then how do they protect the real world from whats on the astral (the supposed great Evil)? Where on the astral plane; does this battle take place? Because I heard that a guild (or several of Mages) are battling on the astral plane to keep control; if the 'Evil' there breaks through and takes control; that is when the Evil will come to Earth. I (personally have not took control in my dreams to travel the astral world to discover this 'battle') but if what the Mages are doing is true; then it depends really on them to keep us safe both on in the Astral & the Physical. Sorry to go off topic, but this is off a person I know who is a Mage himself. The battle for control is already underway...

[mucgwyrt]

Hhhhmmm... personally I dont believe that evil exists, soooo... *dubious* it sounds like someone's gotten a bit over infatuated with buffy/charmed/etc to me...

[Ladyvi]

evil is a relative term. what i concider ' evil ' most dont ever see. its dangerous . its scary.

as far as a guild ? .. dont know? .. where in the astral. been through several planes on this or that for the gods or whoever sent up a beacon. certain times on this prime material . if you shift your 'sight' out of phase of this reality. you may see the other(s) that exist amongst this plane of existence that most say dont exist.

i dont believe in most folks concept of evil either. a lot of what some concider evil are sometimes necessary to maintain balance. im all about the balance. not good or evil with fairly high morals. when a person subjects their will on someone elses or tampers with the will of someone elses. your getting into the darker side of grey and eventuallyinto dark altogether.

as far as your dream . it seems to me . that sword was protecting you. you may have seen a lot of things that you didnt want to. but your divine light that was part of that sword was protecting you. never.. i repeat never. give up your light to the darkness. if you do then darkness will prevail against you.

[silverphoenix]

Apparently, according to some mages; the battle for entry into the physical world is all ready underway on the astral plane. They say that if the evil entities take control of the astral world, then they can access the 'portals' in that realm to enter ours; subsequently bringing about the Christian apocalypse...all in all I don't believe things until I see them, which is why I'm trying to achieve projection as soon as I can...so I can see if this battle is occuring. And if this battle is true; then I am training to become a mage upon the astral 'incase' of this event coming to pass...

[Phi]

Apparently, according to some mages; the battle for entry into the physical world is all ready underway on the astral plane. They say that if the evil entities take control of the astral world, then they can access the 'portals' in that realm to enter ours; subsequently bringing about the Christian apocalypse...all in all I don't believe things until I see them, which is why I'm trying to achieve projection as soon as I can...so I can see if this battle is occuring. And if this battle is true; then I am training to become a mage upon the astral 'incase' of this event coming to pass...
"And there was war in heaven..." Rev 12:7
:hmmmmm: Also three texts from Qumran, and one document from Nag Hammadi, apparently discussing different wars. In 14th century, mystics thought there was perhaps another war...
and so it goes...

[LadyTrinity]

it is probably going to be june or july hun cause i have had dreams were the sun gets covered in clouds like fog and then I hear bombs hit the ground and dont hear them fall from the sky, then big rocks in flames fall from the sky and people get crushed from them. The sun does a freaky scary dance. Its a hott summer morning and then the sky gets covered (eclipse)? And then the entire sky goes black and I wake up

[silverphoenix]

Now see...I'm not the only one having dreams. I astral projected last night; travelled round the astral world. Was about to land somewhere when I noticed something happening below me, there was humans (mages by the looks of it) fighting off zombies, vampires and demons. The mages were protecting five stone pillars arranged in a circle, what could this circle be?

[Ladyvi]

i have battle on a frequent basis in astral on various locations and not always on the same plane. im not particularly worried if they are deciding to make a united front on the astral. i will be on the front line if need be.

[silverphoenix]

What is that stone circle, a portal to our world perhaps?

[dragenfly]

I still believe in the Christian prophecy of the end of the world, when the evil shall come to the world; killing nearly everyone until 'Gods Army comes down to save our souls'.


Blessed Be

~Silver Phoenix~
I had the second part of that dream, about 7 years ago. I dreamt that I was watching a softball game at a park when I all began I looked up and saw them millions of them. They looked like dark clouds and as tehy drew closer I could see they were God's army. They had leather armor just like the out outfit on Xena (corny but that how it was in my dream) they had huge wings and their swords were glowing gold. Their dark brown leather attire and sandals are so fresh in my mind. People were screaming and running and going hesterical. I knew this was it, the end so went to the bathroom and stayed in there until the slaying was over when it was over I heard the bathroom door swing open and I woke up. A couple months later I had another dream I was in the dark it was pitch black nothing was visible not even my hand in front of me then I heard this voice my Mom, she was saying over and over "are you ready, are you ready for the truth" she must have said it 10x I begged for the truth then a voice said without words (that part was trippy) "she is ready". Then out of the darkness their was a light so white it was blue and it was blinding it came closer and closer and as it came closer I lost my breath a little more then it shot right through me and my chest felt like there was a million pounds resting on it I woke up gasping for air. The wierdest thing is we just bought a house 4 years ago and the park across the street is the same from my dream it really freaks me out.

[Sadb]

Merry Meet Fellow doomsday seer

First let me say this I DONT have pschic dreams .
But a few years ago all I could dream about was war and the END . Then it stopped , out of no where it stopped and never bothered me again . Then a few days befor 9/11 I started dreaming of bombs and casualties lying around me . Everytime I saw a bobm coming towards me or I a;ready new it was coming . Then one dream I was in a foreign city and there were building all around me that I did not recognize , there were papers and garbage blowing everywhere and people where sceaming all around me . My war hungry brother woke me up to pronounce "we're at war " . The date was september 11 2001 .

You're not alone lots of people have dreams of war and of the christian Apocalypse . The reason is easy man can't think that the world goes on after he dies but it does Nostradamus's Last prediction was that the world would end on the summer of 1998 , it was his one and only prediction that did not come true , wich is odd because all of his prediction followed a line of events and so far he was right about all but one .

You're dream can simply mean you dont want to be forgotten after you die so your mind just made everyone die befor you .

But then that doesn't explain the sword . once you invoke the god and goddess to aid you theyre inside you for ever . Maybe the sword is the gods telling you that you still have their light inside you to use when you have a problem . And J - 2010 will be a time when you will need it the most .

I hope this comforts you
Bless Be :hugz:

[Phi]

Merry Meet Fellow doomsday seer

First let me say this I DONT have pschic dreams .
But a few years ago all I could dream about was war and the END . Then it stopped , out of no where it stopped and never bothered me again . Then a few days befor 9/11 I started dreaming of bombs and casualties lying around me . Everytime I saw a bobm coming towards me or I a;ready new it was coming . Then one dream I was in a foreign city and there were building all around me that I did not recognize , there were papers and garbage blowing everywhere and people where sceaming all around me . My war hungry brother woke me up to pronounce "we're at war " . The date was september 11 2001 .

You're not alone lots of people have dreams of war and of the christian Apocalypse . The reason is easy man can't think that the world goes on after he dies but it does Nostradamus's Last prediction was that the world would end on the summer of 1998 , it was his one and only prediction that did not come true , wich is odd because all of his prediction followed a line of events and so far he was right about all but one .

You're dream can simply mean you dont want to be forgotten after you die so your mind just made everyone die befor you .

But then that doesn't explain the sword . once you invoke the god and goddess to aid you theyre inside you for ever . Maybe the sword is the gods telling you that you still have their light inside you to use when you have a problem . And J - 2010 will be a time when you will need it the most .

I hope this comforts you
Bless Be :hugz:Nostradamus has been misinterpreted ever since he wrote his centuries. He didn't predict the end of the world in 1998, or any time therafter, though some have interpreted him to have said it would end in Capricorn(which BTW is not summer at all) and that, they say means in 3 thousand something...
Don't throw out the original along with the mistranslations of it...
I once asked on MW if anyone was interested in ancient seers and their predictions, but the thread was pretty much ignored. People say Nostradamus has been debunked, but his writings are not debunked at all just the ridiculous translations that so abound!