Seers

[Mab]

I'm looking for a little info on seers. I have no idea if it's a separate path, or what. I have heard the term and always just assumed it meant someone who has visions or detailed premonitions or such. But recently I had a friend tell me he doesn't think I'm a witch, he thinks I'm a seer, and I'm really not sure what he meant.

Can someone enlighten me....or at least point me in the right direction to do some research on my own?

Thanks!

[Aine of the Fae]

Ok, I don't really think there is a difference between witches and seers. A seer can walk any path, they've just developed their talents in a different way.

[Mab]

Thanks, Aine. That's my opinion on it, too, but I wasn't sure if I was way off or what. My friend is a bit....um....odd....very nice, but kind of different, and though we walk a similar path (he's an eclectic Christian), we disagree on a lot. I didn't feel that being a seer was mutually exclusive of being Christian or a witch.

Any other thoughts? :reading:

[Shanti]

To me a seer is one that gets visions of the future. I am one and it happens outside of dreams and its not always pleasant and you cant always change it or do anything about it. As for how....it just happens for me, always has.

[RedPhoenix]

My question is that if a seer is one that has visions of the future, then what do you call someone who has those who have passed on talking to her? I have always considered her a seer also.

[Mab]

interesting, Shanti.....

I don't get "visions" per se, but I can tell when something's going down....especially at night. I can tell when something's happening to someone close to me--and it's always something BAD! I rarely get feelings that something good is going to happen, but I have really rough nights when I have strange dreams & wake up a lot thinking about a specific person when something's happening. Lately, though, I've begun having "visions" of a sort......I woke up in the middle of the night one night.....very.....like between being awake & asleep, that state where you're sorta conscious & your eyes open when you turn over in bed but you're not really awake.....and I saw a skull. The next morning, my ex called me to say his grandfather was in the hospital dying.

But other than that, the only actual visions I have had are the one mirror excercise in NH's class, and I DID see something there......

but....my friend seemed to think that I'm not really a "witch", but RATHER a seer, like I can't be both.....

very interesting....I hope we get some more discussion here.....

[Mab]

My question is that if a seer is one that has visions of the future, then what do you call someone who has those who have passed on talking to her? I have always considered her a seer also.

good question. I've had my BF/SO's relatives who have passed beyond the veil come to visit me. I don't see them, but I feel their presence & know beyond a shadow of a doubt who they are. So, what do you call somebody who has these things happen?

[Shanti]

Talking to some one who is passed, I thought was a medium. If I understood you right and my perspectives are not everones of course.

[Mab]

Talking to some one who is passed, I thought was a medium. If I understood you right and my perspectives are not everones of course.

yes, I've heard that, too, but usually in connection with somebody who channels or actually speaks with the dead, so that answers part of it. Would you still call somebody like me, who doesn't get messages or speak to the dead but just senses their presence a medium? Or am I just an untrained medium who hasn't got it together yet?

[RedPhoenix]

Talking to some one who is passed, I thought was a medium. If I understood you right and my perspectives are not everones of course.

Good point. I think that is what I have heard others in the past call it. I do know that she does call herself a witch though. I guess this is just a way that she has connected with her path.

[Ladyvi]

a seer is one that can see the past present and future and more importantly have the reasons.

one can be a seer among any path. one can be a seer and have no path. one can be a seer and that is its path.

[Shanti]

a seer is one that can see the past present and future and more importantly have the reasons.

one can be a seer among any path. one can be a seer and have no path. one can be a seer and that is its path.
Your opinion ladyvi. Not everyone's.

Some dont see past. Some dont know the reasons to all they see. Its variable as are we.

[9-2-2]

A seer has the ability to bend time in such a fashion as to be able to gain understanding of possible events from the past and future, and how these will intermingle depending on what you do. Some seers can also see "sideways", i.e. see a long line of possibilities and their chances of occuring. Even further, the more exceptional ones will be able to determine what needs to happen to make certain events come to pass.

Whether or not the seer decides to look into the past or so on, is the person's own decision. If you're able to bend time one way, it's only a matter of tweaking to bend it another way. My mentors claim that I have a strong natural talent as a seer, and they also claim they suck... but, because they're so much more experienced, I tend to have this bad habit of asking THEM what will happen as opposed to using my own skills. :)

Now visions are a little different. These nice little trinkets HAPPEN to you - seers look at events rather have knowledge of one shoved down their throats - and when they do, it's the Universe knocking you on the noggin', saying "Hey, pay attention to this!" One such example is a vision I had of my roomies leaving with a bang - and their lives becoming horrible. That may happen tonight, as I scry the circumstances.

I wonder about things, however. If you continue bending and twisting time, does the time distortion affect you magickally after a long period? That's what I'm wondering.

[Branwyn]

Well... the dictionary definition of seer is:

Main Entry: [1]seer
Pronunciation: 'sir, 'sE-&r
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : one that sees
2 a : one that predicts events or developments b : a person credited with extraordinary moral and spiritual insight
3 : one that practices divination especially by concentrating on a glass or crystal globe

In my experience, a seer can be of any path. There's nothing that precludes a person from being a witch and a seer.

Just my two cents added to the fray.

Branwyn

[punxzen]

i have spent some time talking with a seer, and my SO used to be very close friends with an older lady who was one. i think that a good way to explain, is to say that a seer sees. a person's perspective tends to color what they see, and i think that seers are open in such a way that their perspective can pick up on things that many others cannot. obviously this is a capability which will manifest differently in everyone.

the seers my SO and i have known told us about our past lives, and often helped us through confusing or trying times in our life. one of the most amazing things about them, in my opinion, was that they could seemingly experience the dreams i had, and then relate them back to me in a way that revealed things about myself that i would not have noticed or understood otherwise.

i think that you can do some very amazing things, aine and shanti and 9-2-2, if yall develop your talents and use them in creative ways unique to you. the ability to see is something i treasure greatly, and while i do not possess the ability to any great degree myself, i do have a lot of respect for those of you who can. actually, after writing this, i have come to realize that i am a seer in one respect, i see and understand and process correllations and synchronicities in a way that is basically instantaneous... something for me to ponder...

[Phi]

A seer has the ability to bend time in such a fashion as to be able to gain understanding of possible events from the past and future, and how these will intermingle depending on what you do. Some seers can also see "sideways", i.e. see a long line of possibilities and their chances of occuring. Even further, the more exceptional ones will be able to determine what needs to happen to make certain events come to pass.

Whether or not the seer decides to look into the past or so on, is the person's own decision. If you're able to bend time one way, it's only a matter of tweaking to bend it another way. My mentors claim that I have a strong natural talent as a seer, and they also claim they suck... but, because they're so much more experienced, I tend to have this bad habit of asking THEM what will happen as opposed to using my own skills. :)

Now visions are a little different. These nice little trinkets HAPPEN to you - seers look at events rather have knowledge of one shoved down their throats - and when they do, it's the Universe knocking you on the noggin', saying "Hey, pay attention to this!" One such example is a vision I had of my roomies leaving with a bang - and their lives becoming horrible. That may happen tonight, as I scry the circumstances.

I wonder about things, however. If you continue bending and twisting time, does the time distortion affect you magickally after a long period? That's what I'm wondering.First I should say that not all seers are deliberate scryers. For me past present future are usually visible just as the computer in front of you is visible as is whatever is more distant in the room, and if you turn what is behind you is also visible. My sight is like that, just depends on where I focus, you see. Meanwhile my peripheral vision is always at the ready to cause my focus to adjust to what may be more important than what I am focused upon now. So the "Knockin' on the noggin" thing is not applicable to me, or if it is, then my noggin is constantly knocked.:smile:

Insofar as scrying goes, it is a rather constant thing going on with me, instead of something I use tools to do deliberately. Like Shanti, it has always been a part of me since I was born.

I don't know if I have the "ability to bend time" exactly, rather that time is seen by me in a different way. I sometimes see time like a curved continuum when I see past or future. Yet it is not really a linear thing at all, just my perspective of it sometimes is. It's rather like the perspective of a road you drive upon...you see it as straight...but it is actually a tiny line upon the globe of earth, so no matter how flat and straight and long your perspective is, it is actually a tiny curve on a very big place.

Sometimes things come to me as if they were memories, sometimes symbols, sometimes with sound, sometimes like a movie being played on a big screen in my head, sometimes even in dreams.

As to what happens after a long period of seeing this way, the images just get clearer, or the ability to understand them does.

Sometimes, in some cases, it can be difficult to tell whether what I see is past/future distant or past/future immediate. These cases are usually here on MW when I cannot see the person with whom I am speaking sitting before me. I have a tendency to use my perceptions of both kinds of seeing at once, which gives a clearer sight. Since I have no need to "prove" whether my ability to help in any particular instance comes from here or from there, I don't really put much effort into separating out my perceptions. The object being to help someone not to prove anything.



(Telling the present is not really possible, since the present is gone instantaneously into past,so by the time one tries to discuss present it is really past, isn't it? Being in the present with nature is how I relax and how I meditate and worship.)

Insofar as whether a seer must be a witch, (notice I didn't say Wiccan) that would depend solely on the definition of "witch." If the term is used to mean one who casts spells, then a seer and a witch can be seen as different things entirely. Although many witches are seers, not all seers are witches. Not all seers cast spells, use chants, or tools to seer.

Many seers are also able to see spirits and see what they want or who they are even if they avoid being a channel for them.

Channellers and mediums are similar in respect that they may allow spirits to enter them or use them as a tool for communication with others. Some seers are also willing to do this, though a clear-seeing one will probably avoid it. Seers "see" whie most mediums "sense" and that can include smelling, intuitive feelings, or other senses besides the sight. While I have strong intuitions and other senses, my sight is strongest, thus I am seer. I suppose if my sense of smell were the strongest you could call me a "smeller.":crylaugh:

Seers may see into other planes of time and space and not only past and future of this one.

I think that everyone has a bit of the seer in them. As to whether it can be developed or not, I suppose it can, since my inborn abillities got stronger with age and most of all with acceptance of them, I guess the ability of others can get stronger too.

So if one were to ask me how to develop it I would say the first thing would be to accept the truth of it, and the second would be to continue it as a normal part of that person's life.
Once we get past the "ooooo's and aahhhh's" from the feeling promulgated by our culture that it is weird or scary or impossible, and accept it as a normal thing for us who seer, it becomes clearer.

I don't see seer as a path, so much as a gift/curse. It is what you are rather than what you choose to be or follow.Those who want to develop this must realize that seeing well means seeing the bad as well as the good, and seeing things sometimes you wish you didn't and sometimes that no one believes and sometimes that people don't want to hear. A lot that you see cannot really be told, and much should not really be told. Sometimes I am able to see more than one future, or alternates. If time is seen as linear, then one might say it branches...
If one chooses to use the seer ability to help others then they have chosen a helping path, but the seering is not really a choice. At least not for me.


As for me I am unlikely after all this time to be coerced into being used. So I freely state that I seer.

I would be cautious about "guides" for not all spirits who seek to "guide" have the best of motives, and some can actually be dangerous to you, and seek only to "guide" (rather "coerce") your own free will , your spirit and your abilities. Some may just be seeking entrance to use your body for their own purposes. So be very wary.
Any guidance I have from any spirit is more the form of polite conversation than wanting to be my "leader." My guidance must have as a part in it, my own free will. I do get guidance from reading the words left to us by great teachers of the past, though, whose spirits are willing to help enlighten us upon the meanings of their writings when we seek to comprehend.
I hope this has helped you some.

[OldSoulsBody]

As for my opinion on the whole "seer" issue. A "Seer" is someone who is perceptive to those thing that are not occurring on a physical plane. I have known people who might literally 'see' (in the sense that they may see a spirit in his or her human form or they may see an apparition such as a white mist or fog) their subject. I have also known those who don't typically see as much as they hear voices or sense ideas. There are also those who "feel" (I, personally, get a very distinct sense of temperature in such instances) beings.

Either way, having the ability to sense beings or possibilities is a completely different animal from ones religious path. There are many Christians (think Joan of Arc) who have the gift. Your religious path is typically who or what you choose to recognize as the divine presence. Being able to be in tune with relatives or thought patterns or occurrences of any time other than the present is a gift, pure and simple. Often, it seems that the religious preference of the individual is usually not factored in when the gift is granted.

[Grey]

A seer IME is someone who is gifted with visions of history, past present or future. The extent of these visions depending on the persons receptiveness, empathy, spiritual strength, and the source of the insight.

[Mab]

Sometimes things come to me as if they were memories, sometimes symbols, sometimes with sound, sometimes like a movie being played on a big screen in my head, sometimes even in dreams.


That's how it is for me. And then, there are times that I think I must be a medium b/c I sense things more than see them. And, oddly enough, when I TRY to see, to scry--especially using tools (with the exception of the weirdness that took place in a class I'm taking)--I never see anything at all!