Laurie Cabot?

[IvyWitch]

Ok, I would really like to hear everyone's opinion on her and why....a lot of the Pagans I know don't like her but for very vauge reasons and I have recently encountered someone who happens to think she's a sweet wonderful smart Pagan lady.

Personally I dont like her, but I never met her.

[Boogins]

I've met her. Maybe she was having a weird day, but she grabbed be by the head (twisting my neck while doing so) and glowered into my eyes to "read my aura".

I hit her.

So guess how I feel about her? :D

[IvyWitch]

I've met her. Maybe she was having a weird day, but she grabbed be by the head (twisting my neck while doing so) and glowered into my eyes to "read my aura".

I hit her.

So guess how I feel about her? :D

Holy crap! :hairraise

[Jenne]

OMG Boog! Dare I hope there were stitches?! I mean, that's just an awful thing to do to someone to "read" them! Ugh! :strike:

[PAGANFILES]

Ok, I would really like to hear everyone's opinion on her and why....a lot of the Pagans I know don't like her but for very vauge reasons and I have recently encountered someone who happens to think she's a sweet wonderful smart Pagan lady.

Personally I dont like her, but I never met her.

I went to Salem in 1985 and I stopped by the little shop that wore her name. I looked around and then stepped back out the door and started walking down the street. I heard the shop door open behind me. I turned around and saw the woman who's face was on the books. I touched nothing--she just wasn't there. She went back in and I continued to the ship museam.

Terry

[Mithrea]

well, I don't have any experience with her personally, but I have been to her shop twice. I *loved* her books and found them very helpful in the beginning. I like her because she balances out the "ooo we must be very normal" crowd of pagans that I don't really resonate with too much. I feel like magic needs drama and she's got plenty of it :p

[Boogins]

OMG Boog! Dare I hope there were stitches?! I mean, that's just an awful thing to do to someone to "read" them! Ugh! :strike:
No stitches! :lol: The woman is a complete dramatist. In fact, she performs so much I'm often left wondering how much of her is legit--and how much of that is stolen. :T

[IvyWitch]

No stitches! :lol: The woman is a complete dramatist. In fact, she performs so much I'm often left wondering how much of her is legit--and how much of that is stolen. :T

I heard something about her walking around Salem naked...does anyone know anything about this?

[Boogins]

Thank goodness I never saw THAT!!! :hairraise

[DarkDancer]

I've never met her so have no real opinion, I have read power of the witch, but can't recall any of it, I will have to reread it someday.

[Romani Vixen]

I havn't met her, been to her store, or read any of her books. So I reserve judgement.

[Flar's Freyja]

I love The Witch In Every Woman and The Power of the Witch has been on my wish list for a long time.

I have no problem with the drama and flash, because she brings a lot of money to her town that way. But it did turn me off to see her selling a tiny bottle of her supposedly magically charged oil for $25 in the Pyramid catalogue. That is taking advantage of the public and against my own spiritual ethics, but who's to say I wouldn't buy one for the fun of it if I had the extra money lying around?

I still recommend her book. The Witch In Every Woman is of great value to any woman, not just witches.

[ObsidianShenKa]

I'd be frightened to see her naked.

I'd probably vomit.

[mara]

I love her books, but she really seems to be disliked by many people. I am in the minority I'm sure, but once in awhile I enjoy seeing someone who looks like what you expect a witch to look like...not for everyone, but I think she's interesting.

[~Anamorata~]

I met her a couple of times while in Salem...and found her to be a very nice lady...never had any trouble with her...

[ObsidianShenKa]

...what you expect a witch to look like...

I expect a witch to look more like the girls from Practical Magic.

My archetypal witch doesn't look like Bozo the Clown.

http://www.monesi.com/sergio/movies/jan99/practmagic3.jpg

^^^ GOOD ^^^



http://www.costumeuniverse.com/prodspics/bozo_0903.jpg

^^^ BAD ^^^

[dreamingmystic]

well, I don't have any experience with her personally, but I have been to her shop twice. I *loved* her books and found them very helpful in the beginning. I like her because she balances out the "ooo we must be very normal" crowd of pagans that I don't really resonate with too much. I feel like magic needs drama and she's got plenty of it :p

That's just it. I have seen a couple of documentaries on her and find her a little too dramatic. She is a tourist attraction and I think she gives Pagans or Witches a bad name by purpetrating the idea that witchs dress in black all the time. There were no witches in Salem, just a hysterical group of people that killed something like 28 people on the say so of a couple of wild imaginative children. Probably due to ergot, a mold that grows on corn or wheat that produces hallucinations when eaten, coupled with suspicion surrounding a group of overly religious zealets.:hailmol: A drama queen at it's best!

[Tullip Troll]

Sometimes you have to go over the top to get people to notice. She causes people to be curious and then possibly read something and then possibly we will have one less ignorant person in the world.

To make balance it sometimes takes one huge rock to balance out the thousand pebbles.

MheraPai

[Morgandria]

I personally didn't like The Witch in Every Woman. I found her constant assertiion that magic is just a science odd, and the revisionist history in some of the early chapters really turned me off.

Having read that, I decided not to read any other books she'd written. I'm sure she's a nice lady, but she does make her living making herself a public spectacle. Sort of clashes with the idea that witches are normal people with normal everyday lives when she's made a career of being "witchy".

[Pol]

Having seen only pictures of her and read only little bits, all I can say is she seems a bit scary. Not at all what I would consider a witch to be.
She looks to be asigning herself to the expectations of those who fear she'd eat her children. I don't see that helping anything.

[Pol]

The more I read and see, the more I feel like I'm being sold something - if only herself.

[mothwench]

I've met her. Maybe she was having a weird day, but she grabbed be by the head (twisting my neck while doing so) and glowered into my eyes to "read my aura".

I hit her.

So guess how I feel about her? :D

:T oh, that made me laugh, especially the bit that says "i hit her.". :rollingla

anyway... my reason for thinking laurie cabot is an airhead is that she wrote in her book about the wheel of the year, that the solstice is a good time for honoring kris kringle, the germanic pagan god of yule... that's not the exact wording, but anyway...
it turns out the germanic pagan god is derived from christkindl, the baby jesus so many very christian families revere in germany to this very day.
for this i really don't know who should hate her more, christians for having their mythology perverted, or pagans for the tacky light she sheds on us.
:sick:

[SacredWithin]

I havn't met her, been to her store, or read any of her books. So I reserve judgement.

Same here.

[Strawberry Bounce]

Wow @ these encounters. I am interested in a couple of her books but I don't know much about her.

[Sylvan]

I've been to her store, and recently read one of her books.

The store.. Is.. How do I put this. There aren't many things in there you'd recognize as something you'd actually *need*. Sure, there's incense, there's some statues (expensive!), but there's also stereotypical pointy witch hats that have been *covered* with lace, silk flowers, and little fake birds. :rolleyes: There is her artwork in there, but it's not really what you'd want to find done by a "real true witch"... Abstract swishes of color...

The book, "Celebrate the Earth".. It was ok, I guess. But she made some sweeping comments that made it sound like every witch in the world does things her way. :rolleyes: I hate it when an author does that. Not saying "This is how we do it in my group"... And she listed spells for every occasion, without explaining *why* you would use this color candle, or that particular herb... *shrug*

Meh. I could take her or leave her.

[Mithrea]

:T oh, that made me laugh, especially the bit that says "i hit her.". :rollingla

anyway... my reason for thinking laurie cabot is an airhead is that she wrote in her book about the wheel of the year, that the solstice is a good time for honoring kris kringle, the germanic pagan god of yule... that's not the exact wording, but anyway...
it turns out the germanic pagan god is derived from christkindl, the baby jesus so many very christian families revere in germany to this very day.
for this i really don't know who should hate her more, christians for having their mythology perverted, or pagans for the tacky light she sheds on us.
:sick:

Err. . . I'm not so sure about the accuracy of this statement. Could you provide a source?

[Mithrea]

Sometimes you have to go over the top to get people to notice. She causes people to be curious and then possibly read something and then possibly we will have one less ignorant person in the world.

To make balance it sometimes takes one huge rock to balance out the thousand pebbles.

MheraPai

You have no idea how much I fervently believe in this statement, not just for this particular topic. Can I please steal that line for my sig?

[mothwench]

Err. . . I'm not so sure about the accuracy of this statement. Could you provide a source?


which statement? that laurie cabot wrote that in her book, or that this is in fact not a pagan deity? we thouroughly discussed in CoT: wheel of the year: yule.
:)

[CaitrionaMorgaine]

Being a Pagan who was shoved out of the closet by circumstance, I keep my spiritual practices very private. While I will admit that I would never be a LC type, with the robes and all that...to each their own. And she's not doing any more damage to the public perception of witches than Fiona Horne is.

I have read her books Power of the Witch and The Witch in Every Woman. I enjoyed The Witch in Every Woman more than the other. Perhaps my faith is somewhat blind, but I don't think magick is soley scientific. I think it works based on faith as well. Besides, I liked the fact that she aknowledged Rhiannon in her WiEW book. That's the reason I bought it, since I don't find too much material specific to Her unless I write it myself. *grin*

Sylvan, I was a bit put off by the magickally charged oil as well. In fact, I ranted at my boyfriend about it for a good ten minutes. But I just like to be heard, and he gets the brunt of it...along with my best friend Jay and Obsidian, since we seem to be talking a lot lately.

I don't know about in person, but I don't run to buy her every book. If I come across a used copy in good shape I might consider picking it up.

Avalon's Blessings, ~Rhiannon

[Aine of the Fae]

I must say that I really don't much about her, however, a book of hers was my first introduction to witchcraft. Extremely Dianic and onesided as it was...

[The High Queen of Faerie]

i've heard of her, no idea who she is, though. never read her books.

hurrah for google:

i can't say i'm fond of her eye makeup. it makes her look like frank from the rocky horror picture show, but if she finds it flattering, to each their own.

Laurie Cabot, known as the “Official Witch of

Salem,”

uhm...? official witch of salem? i was not aware that every city had its own 'official witch'. i suppose that makes her special or something? ._. </sarcasm>

Her frequent television and radio

appearances, including Unsolved Mysteries, Oprah, and National Public Radio,

have helped educate the public about the goodness of Witchcraft, our planet's

oldest Nature religion.

my personal beliefs are that -wicca- is a religion and that witchcraft is more of a practice that one can adapt to one's own spiritual beliefs. so, to me, witchcraft has never been a religion oO; i don't know if anyone agrees with me on that one, but yeah. .____.

[Mithrea]

Extremely Dianic

Ummm . . . howso?

[IvyWitch]

Well, Laurie Cabot named herslef the Official Witch of Salem, just like Fiona Horne touts herself as the "Worlds Favorite Witch".

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Well, Laurie Cabot named herslef the Official Witch of Salem, just like Fiona Horne touts herself as the "Worlds Favorite Witch".

well.

lol, that is pretty.... interesting, if i do say meself. i'd disagree with the practice of labelling oneself as such.

[IvyWitch]

well, I think it would be funny to watch the smackdown between Fiona and Silver Ravenwolf over who actually deserves the title since they both use it.

Though personally I think Fiona would probably be beaten beyond recognition within the first minute or two.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

well, I think it would be funny to watch the smackdown between Fiona and Silver Ravenwolf over who actually deserves the title since they both use it.

Though personally I think Fiona would probably be beaten beyond recognition within the first minute or two.


hahaaa, that would be amusing. :D

off topic, but... do you like ravenwolf/horne? :0

[IvyWitch]

hahaaa, that would be amusing. :D

off topic, but... do you like ravenwolf/horne? :0


I don't much care for SRW, but compared to Fiona she's not worth getting upset over. I've had some personal run ins with Fiona and let me tell you she is NOT a nice person to be around. Anything to make a buck, and willing to dump friends over small differences in opinion.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I don't much care for SRW, but compared to Fiona she's not worth getting upset over. I've had some personal run ins with Fiona and let me tell you she is NOT a nice person to be around. Anything to make a buck, and willing to dump friends over small differences in opinion.


._. wow. that's not very flattering.

thanks for sharing :D

[Bec_W]

Well, Laurie Cabot named herslef the Official Witch of Salem, just like Fiona Horne touts herself as the "Worlds Favorite Witch".

*laughs* I guess Fiona hasn't spoken to many witches from her own neck of the woods then :lol:

I read Power of the Witch a number of years ago, I really enjoyed the book. I did find her take on history very interesting and would love to see the research she based her matriachal society on.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

*laughs* I guess Fiona hasn't spoken to many witches from her own neck of the woods then :lol:

I read Power of the Witch a number of years ago, I really enjoyed the book. I did find her take on history very interesting and would love to see the research she based her matriachal society on.
:bouncysmi hehe :p

[IvyWitch]

*laughs* I guess Fiona hasn't spoken to many witches from her own neck of the woods then :lol:

I read Power of the Witch a number of years ago, I really enjoyed the book. I did find her take on history very interesting and would love to see the research she based her matriachal society on.

There was apparently an author who wrote all about matriarchy which people like Starhawk and SRW used in thier books. I can't remember who she was, but I have no doubt that Cabot got it from the same woman.

[Bec_W]

Margaret Murray?? Maybe. That sounds about right.

[IvyWitch]

Margaret Murray?? Maybe. That sounds about right.

Ooooohhh yeah. Damn how did I not remember that? :foopsies:

[Bec_W]

:lol: I had to google "Margaret pagan history"

[ObsidianShenKa]

Google is a beautiful thing.

The word was coined by a guy, no less.

Take that, feminazis.

lol

[fay]

umm not to sound stupid...ok yes to sound stupid, who is laurie cabot? ive never heard of her. :bigredblu
blessed be

[ObsidianShenKa]

umm not to sound stupid...ok yes to sound stupid, who is laurie cabot? ive never heard of her. :bigredblu
blessed be

Ignorance, my dear, is bliss. Trust me.

Suffice it to say my little kitty is aiming at her.

[fay]

lol
:nyah:

[ObsidianShenKa]

Do a Google search on her. You'll see what I mean.

[StephanieAine]

Hmmm. So, you can name yourself the "official witch of Salem" (assuming you live in Salem, or at least *like* Salem) - but Laurie Cabot already took the title (go, Laurie!). Or you can name yourself "the world's favorite witch" - but Fiona Horne already took *that* title (woohoo, good on ya, Fiona!)

What I want to know is this: who is the "official witch of Mystic Wicks"? And who is "the world's favorite Mystic Wicks witch"?

And incidentally, just to let you all know - *I* am the world's Favorite and Most Stunningly Beautiful Celtic Christian.

Go ahead, you can applaud and bow to me now. <fluffs hair>

[StephanieAine]

Another thought to add:

I'm also the Official Celtic Christian of Mystic Wicks, and the Official Celtic Christian of East Podunk, Indiana.

I've never been to East Podunk (in fact, I've never been to Indiana), but gosh, they need an Official Celtic Christian, and dammit, I'm stepping up to the plate! Don't you worry, East Podunkians... now all is well for your charming little hamlet!

[ObsidianShenKa]

NO. EAST PODUNK IS MINE!!!!!1111!11!1111one

[StephanieAine]

Sorry, Obsidian; I called it first. Of course, if I ever decide to step down from the throne, maybe you'll be next in line.

Wait a second. You're not a Celtic Christian!
What a sneaky trick THAT was!

If you want to be the official pagan something-or-other, then I believe the spot is still available...

[ObsidianShenKa]

I may not be a Celtic Recon, but I've been to Podunk, Michigan.

So I have one-up on ya :P

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Hmmm. So, you can name yourself the "official witch of Salem" (assuming you live in Salem, or at least *like* Salem) - but Laurie Cabot already took the title (go, Laurie!). Or you can name yourself "the world's favorite witch" - but Fiona Horne already took *that* title (woohoo, good on ya, Fiona!)

What I want to know is this: who is the "official witch of Mystic Wicks"? And who is "the world's favorite Mystic Wicks witch"?

And incidentally, just to let you all know - *I* am the world's Favorite and Most Stunningly Beautiful Celtic Christian.

Go ahead, you can applaud and bow to me now. <fluffs hair>



l.m.a.o. xD genius. :loveduv:

well... oO; i am the world's favourite least favourite eclectic wiccan! :D ... i think!

[StephanieAine]

>>>I may not be a Celtic Recon, but I've been to Podunk, Michigan.

So I have one-up on ya :P<<<<



But I'm not a Celtic reconstructionist. I'm a Celtic Christian. The OFFICIAL Celtic Christian of both Mystic Wicks *and* East Podunk, Indiana. <bow>

[Tullip Troll]

You have no idea how much I fervently believe in this statement, not just for this particular topic. Can I please steal that line for my sig?

Steal Away !

MheraPai

It's not stealing if it's shared

[ObsidianShenKa]

I stand corrected.

[Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill]

>>>I may not be a Celtic Recon, but I've been to Podunk, Michigan.

So I have one-up on ya :P<<<<



But I'm not a Celtic reconstructionist. I'm a Celtic Christian. The OFFICIAL Celtic Christian of both Mystic Wicks *and* East Podunk, Indiana. <bow>

Well then, seeing as the Official Celtic Recon position is open, I may just have to claim it. :boing:

[CaitrionaMorgaine]

Actually, did a little research and according to http://www.thecatthecrowandthecrown.com/officialwitch.html :

In the mid nineteen seventies, Governor Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts , bestowed upon Laurie Cabot the states Patriots Award. This historical award is issued by the Governor to honor citizens of the state for public service which leads to the betterment , enrichment and welfare of the state of Massachusetts. The Patriots Award is given to Cub Scout leaders, civil servants and others who are dedicated in a significant way to improving the lives of their fellow citizens and their community.

The recipient of the Patriots Award has the privilege of grazing cows on the Boston Common, and wearing a tri-cornered hat. The proclamation is signed by the Governor and the Treasurer of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and it reads: "I proclaim Laurie Cabot the Official Witch of Salem for her work with children with special needs."

Just thought you might like to know. I am the Queen of Internet Research. Just ask Obsy. Also, I was in a Mad Mad House chat with Fiona when someone asked about the "world's favorite witch" thing and she said it was something the webmater of her site thought would be funny and they just kept it up there.

As for me, I don't care one way or the other. I'm the only Pagan in my town willing to talk on camera about issues, so my community jokes that I'm our official witch. Sometimes I'd rather not be, but that is the path laid before me and I will walk it to the best of my ability.

Avalon's Blessings, ~Rhiannon

[Tullip Troll]

It would seem that every witch who makes a name for his or her self is picked on....what have you done lately that's out loud about your faith ?

So many of us want the right and freedom to practise what we believe...to be excepted, yet fellow pagans seem to be the biggest critics.

Laurie Cabot helps get the word out...and I am sorry but I have met a few too many wiccans who are quite into the dramatic...doesn't mean I don't think they really believe


MheraPai..unlimited

[Pol]

I don't mind dramatics - it just seems like she's bringing a lot of glory to herself, and somewhat cashing in on her success. Also, some of the stuff she does is a bit odd (like wearing black and the freaky eye makeup), and actually reinforce the idea that people have about witches - they're scary looking and crazy acting.
She says one thing - they say 'but look at her, she's probably lying!'

[ObsidianShenKa]

Laurie Cabot helps get the word out...Of course she does.

It's the word she gets out that irks me.

The word about her, and common logic dictate as follows:

Laurie Cabot = Official Witch
Witch = Wicca
Laurie Cabot = Joke

Laurie Cabot = Witch = Wicca = JOKE

See my point?

She needs to hitch a plane to Turkmenistan and hide in the hills forever.

[Pol]

I agree. Such publicity lumps everyone who uses the word 'witch' into the public category of Laurie Cabot.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Of course she does.

It's the word she gets out that irks me.

The word about her, and common logic dictate as follows:

Laurie Cabot = Official Witch
Witch = Wicca
Laurie Cabot = Joke

Laurie Cabot = Witch = Wicca = JOKE

See my point?

She needs to hitch a plane to Turkmenistan and hide in the hills forever.


lol!

i have to say i'd agree with that... it does seem that she communicates a message about the community that would best be left... uncommunicated. or something. :|

[Tullip Troll]

I agree. Such publicity lumps everyone who uses the word 'witch' into the public category of Laurie Cabot.


Perhaps more people should get out then so there won't be so much lumping...she's not exactly what I would practise but at least she's out there...and again as stated elsewhere there's nothing wrong with making money doing and showing what you love.

I hate being lumped into the wiccan way...I hate that people perceive all christians as closeminded. I hate that many people think pagans are goth...etc.

MheraPai...unlimited

I can't help it I stick up for everyone who puts themself out there for what they believe even the jehovah witnesses.

[Pol]

Well, if you hate being lumped into wiccan, why do you like her so?
She's spreading the mindset that she speaks for witches, that witches are going to be like laurie cabot. After all, she's the official witch of salem.

[Tullip Troll]

Well, if you hate being lumped into wiccan, why do you like her so?
She's spreading the mindset that she speaks for witches, that witches are going to be like laurie cabot. After all, she's the official witch of salem.

She was given that label...no I don't hate her...I don't hate wiccan's I just don't like being lumped into them....She represents a large population of witches, therefore she does speak for witches...perhaps not all of them...maybe not me, but she has a lot of support and she really does help get us out there...like I said I can't complain she's out there doing what she believes, taking insults...yet she keeps going...I admire that a lot...and I have yet to meet anyone I would agree with 100 %...she has my support and admiration just like anyone else who steps out of their comfort zone.

MheraPai...

it's so easy to see whats wrong...try looking for whats right

[Pol]

Actually, she asked for it. She went to court to try to get it officially but they would not give it to her. I think she just started using it herself anyway or something like that. Or they finally let her have it. It's a self-proclaimation.

[CaitrionaMorgaine]

No one speaks for me except me. Period.

I'm more than happy to tell anyone that I don't speak for the greater community. I can give them my truth, not anyone else's.

As for being puiblic about things...I'm very selective and specific about things when I talk to the media. I expect them to refer to me as Pagan, not as a Witch because that's my preference. I have a list of topics that I will and will not discuss, and the conversations go very well generally. I also usually ask to see the piece before they air it so that I can smooth out any problems or misconceptions they might put in there.

What can I say? Being the only one willing to speak, I want to make sure it's done right.

Avalon's Blessings, ~Rhia

[CaitrionaMorgaine]

It would seem that every witch who makes a name for his or her self is picked on....what have you done lately that's out loud about your faith ?

Other than the fact that I run the only public group in my town and am asked to speak on behalf of the military and civillian persons in my area in that respect on a daily basis? *wink*

The last time I was on camera about my spirituality was around Ostara, when the local news media interviewed several religious leaders in my area about our celebrations.

Avalon's Blessings, ~Rhiannon

[savannahrose44]

I've never met her, but I have read some of her books and I wasn't impressed. Yes, I did read more than one...I believe in giving an author a fair trial before I form an opinion of them. I don't care for her methods nor her attitude. :shhhh:

[Tullip Troll]

Other than the fact that I run the only public group in my town and am asked to speak on behalf of the military and civillian persons in my area in that respect on a daily basis? *wink*

The last time I was on camera about my spirituality was around Ostara, when the local news media interviewed several religious leaders in my area about our celebrations.

Avalon's Blessings, ~Rhiannon


Good for you...I wish more were like you...I truly do admire people who step out. I am also jealous of your community there is not much here...but then I just moved here...so give me a little time...soon everyone will be hiding thier teenagers from me...lol..JK

MheraPai

She is a tourist attraction as part of the magic of Salem...it's what tourists come for...She does her job well...and if she can pique a little interest it won't hurt.

As far as the way she looks...well we all have our looks...it could be worse she could look like she's ready to go golfing.

[Bec_W]

I don't necessarily think it's a matter of being picked on so much as, if you put your opinion out there in the public arena you're going to find people who are vocal about disagreeing. Likewise, if you become a very public figure, particularly if you choose to be a very controversal spokes person (like Laurie Cabot and Fiona Horne) your going to find people who don't like your way of doing things.

I do think there's a bit of a culture of "accept us without knowing much about us". Pagans (as a general group) seem to want acceptance from the public without putting too much of who we are out there.

[ObsidianShenKa]

You're right, Bec.

But eventually, something's got to give.

[Bec_W]

*nods* I agree. I don't think you can expect people to blindly believe our word without allowing them access to more indepth information. Yes, pagan pride days are wonderful, but if people who are interested on a purely intellectual basis find that they can't talk to people about anything more then the basic ground work it looks like we've got something to hide. Although, a big part of the problem could be that people either don't know what they're talking about, or aren't confident enough to speak openly.

At least with the internet all the information (more or less) published is available to anyone.

[arienh]

She has Vampire Slayer incense for sale on her website :foh:

[Boogins]

She has it in her store, too.

[Romani Vixen]

The more I read and see, the more I feel like I'm being sold something - if only herself.
I looked at her web site. That was the feeling that I got. I try not to judge though....

[mothwench]

Sometimes you have to go over the top to get people to notice. She causes people to be curious and then possibly read something and then possibly we will have one less ignorant person in the world.
MheraPai

:hehehehe: sorry to get into this conversation again, but i just couldn't resist.
umm, to me, that means one more ignorant person in the world. i'm sorry, but some of the stuff she writes is just simply not true. fabrications.
if you believe in lies, then to me, that's ignorance.

[Tullip Troll]

:hehehehe: sorry to get into this conversation again, but i just couldn't resist.
umm, to me, that means one more ignorant person in the world. i'm sorry, but some of the stuff she writes is just simply not true. fabrications.
if you believe in lies, then to me, that's ignorance.

Well considering how most of us started...I would say lies work too...I am not or did I ever say she was perfect..only that I admire her for stepping out and that she does do a lot of good. However yes...there is some definate negatives about her as well. I guess I just feel perhaps instead of trashing everything about her you see the good side as well.

There is so much trashing here about fellow pagans who are trying to make their way, a little more support would be nice.

I do keep in mind she makes her living by combining her faith with the fact that she is a tourist attraction.

Many of us on the path had very crazy starts...Disney...Charmed...The Craft...perhaps it was a bad start but it caught our eye as something to investigate because there was a ring of truth or calling about it.

MheraPai...unlimited

[mothwench]

Well considering how most of us started...I would say lies work too...I am not or did I ever say she was perfect..only that I admire her for stepping out and that she does do a lot of good. However yes...there is some definate negatives about her as well. I guess I just feel perhaps instead of trashing everything about her you see the good side as well.

There is so much trashing here about fellow pagans who are trying to make their way, a little more support would be nice.

I do keep in mind she makes her living by combining her faith with the fact that she is a tourist attraction.

Many of us on the path had very crazy starts...Disney...Charmed...The Craft...perhaps it was a bad start but it caught our eye as something to investigate because there was a ring of truth or calling about it.

MheraPai...unlimited

alright, i see what you mean about the getting into things bit. it was no different for me, everyone starts out more or less covered in fluff. it's unavoidable. but this is why? it's cause of people like her. you know, i would be so much further along in my path if i didn't have to sift through tons and tons of bs to get to the very few truths there are out there.
this is why i can't help but take pleasure in exposing frauds like her.
:)

[Tullip Troll]

alright, i see what you mean about the getting into things bit. it was no different for me, everyone starts out more or less covered in fluff. it's unavoidable. but this is why? it's cause of people like her. you know, i would be so much further along in my path if i didn't have to sift through tons and tons of bs to get to the very few truths there are out there.
this is why i can't help but take pleasure in exposing frauds like her.
:)


I agree but it seems to be part of the journey...we don't exactly have a guide book..at least one that isn't off.
I wish more people would come out and step up...I think we need to get out there and be availbale and instead of waiting for the world we just do it.

MheraPai

RhiannonSolana seems to have found a way...perhaps we could see how sshe started

[savannahrose44]

:hehehehe: sorry to get into this conversation again, but i just couldn't resist.
umm, to me, that means one more ignorant person in the world. i'm sorry, but some of the stuff she writes is just simply not true. fabrications.
if you believe in lies, then to me, that's ignorance.

:yourock:

[savannahrose44]

Well considering how most of us started...I would say lies work too...I am not or did I ever say she was perfect..only that I admire her for stepping out and that she does do a lot of good. However yes...there is some definate negatives about her as well. I guess I just feel perhaps instead of trashing everything about her you see the good side as well.

There is so much trashing here about fellow Peoples who are trying to make their way, a little more support would be nice.

I do keep in mind she makes her living by combining her faith with the fact that she is a tourist attraction.

Many of us on the path had very crazy starts...Disney...Charmed...The Craft...perhaps it was a bad start but it caught our eye as something to investigate because there was a ring of truth or calling about it.

MheraPai...unlimited
I support pagans who don't push lies on an unsuspecting public. I have no problem with people who are trying to make their way, but they should have the responsibility to do so in a grown up fashion and not play up on all the fantasies of modern media. Just my opinion no trashing intended. :)

[fay]

argh! i just googled 'laurie cabot' to try and find out what you guys were talking about and my initial reaction was "wow! thats scary!"
i went on her website and theres this scary picture of her, and me just about to go to bed and all! :wah:
blessed be

[fay]

ok no. i had a quick look around her site and it gave me the creeps.
blessed be

[mara]

The first time I ever saw Laurie Cabot was on A show on A&E called city Confidential..she was attributed with finding the body of a woman who was killed.. It's been a very long time since I first read The power of the Witch and The Witch in every Woman, but while I am sure there are things that Iwould now disagree with, I never found her books to be fluffy ..they are intelligent and inspiring. A lot more so than many books that have been recommended to me. I like her views about magic and science- todays magic is tomorrow's science. Long ago the bark from a tree was chewed to relieve pain..it seemed like magic- now we understand scientifically why it relieves pain. I personally think a great many pagans might be scary looking to the average person..many of us have tatoos, black,blue,purple, green hair, piercings etc..pentacles are scary to some people..Why are you picking on the way she looks? I have noticed that the more visible or succesful the person is the more they're ridiculed and practically shunned by other pagans.

[Green_wytche]

I know I came in alittle late, but I am from Boston MA and have had met her and her daughter also some of the witches in her coven. If you would like any additional info check out the League of Cabot Witches. http://www.leagueofcabotwitches.com/main.html
"The Cat, the Crow and the Crown in Laurie's shoppe in Salem and is a fun place to visit. Every Samhain for many years I went there to celebrate the sabbat. But commercial as it was, i believe she sold out some.
I like to think of witches as more down to earth loving poeple, not flamboyant woman with too much makeup on and bad hair, that dress in full garb every day. To me thats just fake. But that's just my own oppinion ;) LOL

As far as Authors, My personal favs are Anne Moura and Scott Cunningham :)

[The High Queen of Faerie]

The first time I ever saw Laurie Cabot was on A show on A&E called city Confidential..she was attributed with finding the body of a woman who was killed.. It's been a very long time since I first read The power of the Witch and The Witch in every Woman, but while I am sure there are things that Iwould now disagree with, I never found her books to be fluffy ..they are intelligent and inspiring. A lot more so than many books that have been recommended to me. I like her views about magic and science- todays magic is tomorrow's science. Long ago the bark from a tree was chewed to relieve pain..it seemed like magic- now we understand scientifically why it relieves pain. I personally think a great many pagans might be scary looking to the average person..many of us have tatoos, black,blue,purple, green hair, piercings etc..pentacles are scary to some people..Why are you picking on the way she looks? I have noticed that the more visible or succesful the person is the more they're ridiculed and practically shunned by other pagans.


i saw that!

and i agree.... magick will be scientifically explained one day, especially since it has to do with energy.

[Tullip Troll]

She practises and promotes what she believe's.

Her make-up and look scares you...well then so will 25% of the pagans here. Some people are dramatic and it has nothing to do with what they believe. Perhaps 5% may cause you to pee your pants.

I can't recall her ever saying she was the one true way of witchcraft...if she did I missed it.

Again I think she has done a lot of good...

MheraPai

[ObsidianShenKa]

My instincts tell me, and everything I see seems to support this notion, that she practices and promotes what sells.

Hey, she succeeded in what she wanted - she built an entourage of subscribers both to her teachings and to her merchandise. Still, she looks like a person whom, in the dead of night when she sleeps alone, weeps uncontrollably, and whom, in front of a throng of acolytes who worship her every step, tries to conceal the choke of misery which comes from being adored from afar instead of loved up close.

[Khuinaset]

I haven't read any of her books, or heard much about her beyond the 'walking around in all black' bit, so I reserve judgement, but here's (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/3435992/detail.html) an...interesting story.

[ObsidianShenKa]

lol, that story's been linked about four times in this thread alone. :rotfl:

[mothwench]

Her make-up and look scares you...well then so will 25% of the pagans here. Some people are dramatic and it has nothing to do with what they believe. Perhaps 5% may cause you to pee your pants.


actually, i'm the last person to make fun of anyone's looks. really, it's more what she writes and what she portrays as witchcraft that annoys me.
now, concerning her looks... well she's an elderly woman. no-one her age is going to be winning any beauty contests. i saw a picture of her once when she was working as a dancer in the 60's. very pretty as a matter of fact. but nonetheless... the woman is full of :gagged: .

[savannahrose44]

My instincts tell me, and everything I see seems to support this notion, that she practices and promotes what sells.

Hey, she succeeded in what she wanted - she built an entourage of subscribers both to her teachings and to her merchandise. Still, she looks like a person whom, in the dead of night when she sleeps alone, weeps uncontrollably, and whom, in front of a throng of acolytes who worship her every step, tries to conceal the choke of misery which comes from being adored from afar instead of loved up close.
Wow! That's a really good description! :lol:

[mara]

oh brother.

[Khuinaset]

lol, that story's been linked about four times in this thread alone. :rotfl:

it has? oops! I've read most of the topic and didn't see it anywhere...I feel very silly now :p

[~Macha~]

I don't know the woman- but she looks like the type of person who is more interested in flash and drama... but I think she kinda looks like David Bowie... you decidehttp://lauriecabot.com/images/laurie_1.jpg http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/wallpaper/images/640/david_bowie.jpg

[savannahrose44]

:rollingla You so hit it on the head!

[AterCorax]

Wow, reading this thread made my head hurt.

You don't like her because she doesn't fit your idea/view of a 'witch'? Excuse me, but since when do witches have to look like you think they do (or how you think they should look)? That's toatlly ignorant of you.

Her makeup scares you? Then don't look. Just because she likes to look like that doesn't mean she's 'fake.' Who are you to decide who's fake or not? Everyone who's not a carbon copy of you is fake? Everyone who's different is fake?

Still, she looks like a person whom, in the dead of night when she sleeps alone, weeps uncontrollably, and whom, in front of a throng of acolytes who worship her every step, tries to conceal the choke of misery which comes from being adored from afar instead of loved up close.

I love your website, but with this statement, I'm quickly losing any respect I had for you. (Not that it matters to anyone.) Maybe you are just one of those "holier than thou I can judge everyone but no one can know the true me" people.

Ooops!! Now I'm a fluffy! :ballonsmi

-Ater

[AterCorax]

As for what I think about her...

I'm not really sure. I don't like to assume anything about people who I haven't met, and I really don't want to judge her based on her looks.

I have read her Power of the Witch book and thought it was good. Better than a lot of popular crap I see being recommended.

-Ater

[MacMorrighan]

Ok, I would really like to hear everyone's opinion on her and why....a lot of the Pagans I know don't like her but for very vauge reasons and I have recently encountered someone who happens to think she's a sweet wonderful smart Pagan lady.

Personally I dont like her, but I never met her.

Hello, all:

New member, and will post an Intro. as soon as I get around to it.

I, for one, like Laurie, and don't give a flying rat's you-know-what about her private life. Too many people condemn her for such shallow reasons (such as her outward appearance, which is ewntirely juvenile!) or even her private life (as if there were really there, taking second and third party sources as gospel)-- she's only human, after all, the same as you. Well, the fact remains, that they weren't there, soi being too harsh on her serves no one. But, all that aside, I like her because of her teachings; specifically her book Power Of The WItch: A Witch's Guide to Her Craft". It came to me during a particular dark night of the soul (I believe this is what philosophers would call it), as the answer to a humble prayer aas I raised my voice to the Gods (particularly to The Morrighan, to whom I am dedicated as Her Priest) and her book practically fell in my lap! ;)

Unlike the VAST MAJORITY of so-called Pagan authors out there, she actualy teaches one how and why spells work which, being as analytical and left-brained as I am, I greatly needed in my life. She is, I can honestly say, one of the few teachers/authors who does, using modern physics (which I've also taken to researching and reading about, to find that she's quite accurate!).

And, for what it's worth, everyine whom I've heard, that knows her, says, "She's just like a mom". Also, during an interview, she was quite adiment in that she never once wanted to be placed on any pedistle (and she wished people wouldn't).

But, because of her meathod of teaching, and because of the way in which her book spoke to me, she remains one author whom I highly recommend to neophyte and "Elder" alike!

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[mara]

That is exactly how I feel MacMorrighan and Ater Corax. I don't understand the rabid aversion to her..some of the books that people recommend to me are so incredibly repetitive and boring I can barely get through some of them..Lori's books are different than most. I didn't really care for her book about the sabbats.. but Power of the Witch and The Witch in every Woman were great.

[mothwench]

:twitch: i feel an uncontrolable urge to quote myself.
actually, i'm the last person to make fun of anyone's looks. really, it's more what she writes and what she portrays as witchcraft that annoys me.
now, concerning her looks... well she's an elderly woman. no-one her age is going to be winning any beauty contests. i saw a picture of her once when she was working as a dancer in the 60's. very pretty as a matter of fact. but nonetheless... the woman is full of :gagged: .

[BlackHoodedCrow]

The way she dresses is the least of what I don't care for her.
1 she has no grasp of history. She still thinks there were Witches during the Salem witchcraft trials. 2 she still makes the statement that 9 million witches were burned during the Inquisition. That number is not even close. 3 Most of them were not witches either.
This is what she claims of her Cabot tradition:

"The Cabot Tradition and heritage go back to Celtic Tribes of Europe. * Merlin learned his skills from the Goddess, The Lady of the Lake. * The gathering of Cabot Witches in Salem draw upon the power and wisdom of the Lady of the Lake; as well as, taking pride in the power of the Sword, Excalibur, as a magickal tool rather then a weapon.* The history of the old religion is that it recognizes the interconnected rapture of all existence.* There is spirit in stone, leaf and all matter."

Yet, she is Wiccan

December

[savannahrose44]

The way she dresses is the least of what I don't care for her.
1 she has no grasp of history. She still thinks there were Witches during the Salem witchcraft trials. 2 she still makes the statement that 9 million witches were burned during the Inquisition. That number is not even close. 3 Most of them were not witches either.
This is what she claims of her Cabot tradition:

"The Cabot Tradition and heritage go back to Celtic Tribes of Europe. * Merlin learned his skills from the Goddess, The Lady of the Lake. * The gathering of Cabot Witches in Salem draw upon the power and wisdom of the Lady of the Lake; as well as, taking pride in the power of the Sword, Excalibur, as a magickal tool rather then a weapon.* The history of the old religion is that it recognizes the interconnected rapture of all existence.* There is spirit in stone, leaf and all matter."

December

Yeah I'd say that's a load of bull too! :D

[mara]

I am going to read her book again..specifically mothwench, what were her fabrications? I'm not trying to be a smart*** , I really want to know.

[mara]

[QUOTE=BlackHoodedCrow]The way she dresses is the least of what I don't care for her.
1 she has no grasp of history. She still thinks there were Witches during the Salem witchcraft trials.

Quote from Power of the witch: "" Surely there were Witches among their ancestors, but they themselves may not have been Witches in the sense that they were our co-religionists. Most were probably devout Christians.Nevertheless, i think we must claim them as witches. Certainly they died for our freedom.They refused to admit that they had commited any crime. We could aslo ask whetyher those who confessed were really witches or did they confess to save their own lives? Much is lost in the pages of history."
That doesn't sound like she's saying they were witches to me...

[BlackHoodedCrow]

Well, I heard from her moth from her over priced video "Discovery of Witches" she in fact stated that there were Witches during the witchcraft trial. She is still causing strife today with calling Witchcraft then and Witchcraft now the same thing.
It also shows on this video he going into a store taking a Witch decoration of the window and tearing it up. Then taking all the Hallowe'en napkins with Witches on it and flipping them over. She also went on to say she believe that the people who lived back then and are reincarnated and still living in Salem now. she says "Now we can tell them Haha Witches are alive and living in Salem!" as she points her fingers in the air as she sings it.


December

[mothwench]

I am going to read her book again..specifically mothwench, what were her fabrications? I'm not trying to be a smart*** , I really want to know.
http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=60223&page=3&pp=10
which one of her books have you got?

[mara]

I have Power of the Witch, The witch in every Woman, and Celebrate the Earth.

[fay]

Quote from Power of the witch: "" Surely there were Witches among their ancestors, but they themselves may not have been Witches in the sense that they were our co-religionists. Most were probably devout Christians.Nevertheless, i think we must claim them as witches. Certainly they died for our freedom.They refused to admit that they had commited any crime. We could aslo ask whetyher those who confessed were really witches or did they confess to save their own lives? Much is lost in the pages of history."
That doesn't sound like she's saying they were witches to me... (boldening is mine)

i don't think that she should 'claim' these people as witches. as she says herself, they were probably devout christians who would have been horrified at these accusations of witchcraft. i know she says "witches in the sense of co-religionists" but i still don't agree.
anyways, just my lil thoughts
blessed be

[savannahrose44]

(boldening is mine)

i don't think that she should 'claim' these people as witches. as she says herself, they were probably devout christians who would have been horrified at these accusations of witchcraft. i know she says "witches in the sense of co-religionists" but i still don't agree.
anyways, just my lil thoughts
blessed be

I agree. :toofless:

[MacMorrighan]

anyway... my reason for thinking laurie cabot is an airhead is that she wrote in her book about the wheel of the year, that the solstice is a good time for honoring kris kringle, the germanic pagan god of yule... that's not the exact wording, but anyway...
it turns out the germanic pagan god is derived from christkindl, the baby jesus so many very christian families revere in germany to this very day.
for this i really don't know who should hate her more, christians for having their mythology perverted, or pagans for the tacky light she sheds on us.
:sick:

Granted, and it's been a while since I've read "Celebrate the Earth", but...I honestly don't recall having ever read anything of the sort in that book.

Take care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[MacMorrighan]

The store.. Is.. How do I put this. There aren't many things in there you'd recognize as something you'd actually *need*. Sure, there's incense, there's some statues (expensive!), but there's also stereotypical pointy witch hats that have been *covered* with lace, silk flowers, and little fake birds. :rolleyes: There is her artwork in there, but it's not really what you'd want to find done by a "real true witch"... Abstract swishes of color...

Yeah, while I have no real reservations egarding her store-- her business is, well...her business ;) -- although, it's rather relatively well known that every Witch stoire in Salem is, well, a tourist trap (which I have no problem with, because, hey, everyone's got to make a living).

The book, "Celebrate the Earth".. It was ok, I guess. But she made some sweeping comments that made it sound like every witch in the world does things her way. :rolleyes: I hate it when an author does that. Not saying "This is how we do it in my group"... And she listed spells for every occasion, without explaining *why* you would use this color candle, or that particular herb... *shrug*

Yes, she does, and, personally...I don't mind it all that much; but then again, I know better. Thre'snothing *truley* inherantly wrong about it, imo. Hey, it's just a book. Take it or leave it (after all, it's how she sometimes celebrates the seasons).

[MacMorrighan]

I did find her take on history very interesting and would love to see the research she based her matriachal society on.

Well, while her history isn't always correct (her book *is* dated, after all, which is, of course, forgivible, imo) because it's based in the popular American feminist theories of its day. However, it must be remembered that, as a theory, it hasn't been disproven, either. Although, I've seen many scholars rather ignorantly tout that it's wrong simply because it can't be proven, thus making them, by proxy, correct (which is circular reasoning).

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[MacMorrighan]

Margaret Murray?? Maybe. That sounds about right.

Personally, I think MM gets far too much flack amongst modern Pagans. Hey, I've seen scholars debunk her saying that she mentioned such-and-such as evidence for her theory, without mentioning its problematic nature as use in evidence, but...in fact, she did! Yet, it is her detractor who is quoted as "the word". Also, I believe most Wiccans ought to read her books, especially when researching Wiccan thealogy and theology, as they came to make the Wiccan religion what it was and is.

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[MacMorrighan]

Google is a beautiful thing.

All hail the Mighty Google!!! :ringaroun

[MacMorrighan]

She has Vampire Slayer incense for sale on her website :foh:

Now, I believe this may merely be poetic licensing, or a creative name, given to an incense for dealing with psychic vamprism. But, again, that's just me vying for an alternative theory.

[MacMorrighan]

alright, i see what you mean about the getting into things bit. it was no different for me, everyone starts out more or less covered in fluff. it's unavoidable. but this is why? it's cause of people like her. you know, i would be so much further along in my path if i didn't have to sift through tons and tons of bs to get to the very few truths there are out there.
this is why i can't help but take pleasure in exposing frauds like her.
:)

"Fluffy" is a VERY subjective term, I have come to realize. And, what you may refer to as such, isn't entirely what another will. For example, what I consider "fluffy" is one (teen *OR* adult) who comes to Wicca just for the spells (powertrips and Ego, etc. you know) and merely look at the Gods as another correspondence (as a prop or a tool). To me, Laurie's books are, to an extant, an antidote to this behaviour... I wish I had read it FAR earlier than what I had!

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[MacMorrighan]

I have read her Power of the Witch book and thought it was good. Better than a lot of popular crap I see being recommended.

Ditto! I will never forgive whomever it was, for ever actually recommending to me the fluffy-as-all-get-out book that they did (which cause more problems than I knew what to do with). However, to quote Herman Slater, and to add my own addendum:

"May the Gods preserve The Craft......from the likes of $ilver RavenWolf!!!" ;)

[MacMorrighan]

1 she has no grasp of history. She still thinks there were Witches during the Salem witchcraft trials.

I must disagree with your assesment, as I honestly do not recall her making such a bold statement. She knows Salem's history quite well.

2 she still makes the statement that 9 million witches were burned during the Inquisition. That number is not even close.

Big-hairy-deal. ;) This is merely the popular American theory proported at that time (her book was written in the 80s and published even later). Most of this info. comes from the likes of Starhawk, but no one is so rabbid in attacking her for misinformation (I certainly haven't seen it).

[QUOTE=BlackHoodedCrow]3 Most of them were not witches either.[quote]

Probably not, though they certainly preserved memories of pagan belief; to be somewhat poetic about it (concerning much of the evidence, even amongst scholars).

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

[BlackHoodedCrow]

I don't care about you opinion this is a fact I heard he say that she believes some of the men and women who were hung were witches! this is not an opinion. She misquotes history and you say it's no big deal. Yet!!! When the topic was on Nationnal Geographic who knows a hell of a lot more about history everyone jumed and hot pissy because the show made Witches look bad....Honey Laurie Cabot makes Witches look bad. OH and also on her video she stated and I quote The religion od Witches now is Wicca....ahhh don't think so. She did not speak as if Witch and Wicca were different.

December

[ObsidianShenKa]

WiccanWade,

You would be wise to make your excursion here at MysticWicks as brief as humanly possible.

Obsidian

PS: Semele, I shall talk to you about Wade as soon as I see you online next.

[ObsidianShenKa]

All hail the Mighty Google!!!
I highly doubt you've changed.

Be careful.

[ObsidianShenKa]

"Fluffy" is a VERY subjective term, I have come to realize. And, what you may refer to as such, isn't entirely what another will.
That's true of ANY word in the English lexicon.

For example, what I consider "fluffy" is one (teen *OR* adult) who comes to Wicca just for the spells (powertrips and Ego, etc. you know) and merely look at the Gods as another correspondence (as a prop or a tool). To me, Laurie's books are, to an extant, an antidote to this behaviour... I wish I had read it FAR earlier than what I had!
And pretty much everyone else's opinion of a fluffbunny was summed up perfectly by my good friend Cassie Noble:

http://wicca.timerift.net/fluffy.html

I don't know anyone other than you who'd disagree with "Wicca For the Rest of Us" on this topic.

Thank you, drive through.

Cheers,
Obsidian

[Tullip Troll]

She wrote some good stuff and some bad stuff...perhaps becasue she has bad info...like so many of us....She does promote wicca and attracts many people every year to delve deeper.

She embraces everything witch...even the crazy stuff, because all of it is part of wicca, sorry but even all the crap is part of wicca history.

She makes a living selling what she is passionate about...perhaps so much of the fluff out there is a way to seperate the bunnies from the rest.

I personally am not Wicca...however again I am stating...She is out of the broom closet she is trying to promote what she believes even if it's not what you believe. She isn't hiding in her broom closet typing on keyboard. She's out there doing and being her...I think she has and does more good then harm.

MheraPai...

Can people not just disagree with some of her statements rather then say she is full of sh*t...some of her work is without question wonderful.

[IvyWitch]

It goes beyond the fact that she sometimes has bad information and is a nutcase though. I thought a good amount of people made that clear in the rest of the thread....

[SS'sBaby]

:scream: Oh God, who dares to claim the name of Morrigu and jump into the flames of ignorance and insidiousness that are Laurie Cabot........awwwwwww MM I see.

Laurie Cabot is a Rebel without a clue and she is unattached to any cause other than petulance for its own sake.

She has always given pagans a bad name and will continue to do so. That and she is an attention whore .

[AterCorax]

:scream: Oh God, who dares to claim the name of Morrigue and jump into the flames of ignorance and insidiousness that are Laurie Cabot .

Oh god, get over yourself.

-Ater

[IvyWitch]

Big-hairy-deal. ;) This is merely the popular American theory proported at that time (her book was written in the 80s and published even later). Most of this info. comes from the likes of Starhawk, but no one is so rabbid in attacking her for misinformation (I certainly haven't seen it).

Actually, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm sorry but perpetuating misinformation is a big deal. And trust me, I am also a Starhawk despiser. But also like Cabot the source where they got thier information on "the burning times" was mistaken, but at the time was considered accurate. I am unaware of whether Cabot or Starhawk have updated thier information since thier source was discredited.

[SS'sBaby]

I am unaware of whether Cabot or Starhawk have updated thier information since thier source was discredited.

I do not know if they have or not either. *shrugs*

It's a shame how many young people are mislead on their spiritual path by the mis-information of those who should know better.

But you have a lot of young people who put themselves in harms way by not self-educating.

[Mab]

I love The Witch In Every Woman and The Power of the Witch has been on my wish list for a long time.

I have no problem with the drama and flash, because she brings a lot of money to her town that way. But it did turn me off to see her selling a tiny bottle of her supposedly magically charged oil for $25 in the Pyramid catalogue. That is taking advantage of the public and against my own spiritual ethics, but who's to say I wouldn't buy one for the fun of it if I had the extra money lying around?

I still recommend her book. The Witch In Every Woman is of great value to any woman, not just witches.
I totally agree

[ObsidianShenKa]

The rewards of doing your own homework far outweigh the nuisance it becomes.

Being led astray is not worth the convenience of letting someone else do your thinking for you.

[SS'sBaby]

Oh god, get over yourself.

Wow.....I feel so chastized. Why didn't you just throw rocks and run away?

JK

But seriously...don't you find it odd for one to admire Cabot and link themself to Morrigu?

But then....I could just be predjudiced about the person........*ponders*

[ObsidianShenKa]

Wow.....I feel so chastized. Why didn't you just throw rocks and run away?

*throws a potato*

*square dances*

[mara]

Laurie Cabot wrote "Power of the Witch" in the 1980's..wasn't it a common belief back then that 9 million were killed in the inquisition? I was informed very quickly when I first started out that there weren't anywhere near that number killed, so I for one am not an uninformed dope. I in no way idolize Laurie Cabot or anyone else for that matter..she has some ideas that ring true for me- especially regarding science and magic. She certainly isn't the demon you make her out to be..Its a rather dramatic statement you make that "young people are being put in Harms way" because of some outdated information. the fact that you say you don't know Laurie Cabot's position on the inquisition today and continue to berate her for it is puzzling to me.

[Mab]

Ok, before I get creamed for being a fluffy.....The Witch in Every Woman is the only Cabot book I've read, and I really really liked it.....b/c I found most of it to be totally common sense psychology & useful....sort of a soft start for me when I was still leary of reading anything with "witch" in the title. I think it's a good read for women in general.

She's a little weird for me, with the black eyes & the frizzed out silver hair & the "oooo, I'm an older goth witch" vibe.....but I've never met her, and I'm sorry but I like SRW, too, and some of Starhawks's stuff....I just don't take ANYTHING I read at face value. I don't consider it "right" until I've read at least 6 other sources that corroborate the info I'm getting via other resources....not 6 that all quote the same base reference.

Ok, I'm done now. You can start throwing eggs at me if you choose.

and, oh yeah....child of The Morrigan here....so nya!

*prepares to be pelted*

[IvyWitch]

Laurie Cabot wrote "Power of the Witch" in the 1980's..wasn't it a common belief back then that 9 million were killed in the inquisition? I was informed very quickly when I first started out that there weren't anywhere near that number killed, so I for one am not an uninformed dope. I in no way idolize Laurie Cabot or anyone else for that matter..she has some ideas that ring true for me- especially regarding science and magic. She certainly isn't the demon you make her out to be..Its a rather dramatic statement you make that "young people are being put in Harms way" because of some outdated information. the fact that you say you don't know Laurie Cabot's position on the inquisition today and continue to berate her for it is puzzling to me.

Question, because I am confused. Who are you talking to?

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Actually, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm sorry but perpetuating misinformation is a big deal. And trust me, I am also a Starhawk despiser. But also like Cabot the source where they got thier information on "the burning times" was mistaken, but at the time was considered accurate. I am unaware of whether Cabot or Starhawk have updated thier information since thier source was discredited.

in which starhawk book(s) is her information crap?

sorry to bother, just asking for a warning, cos i haven't read her stuff and would like to know beforehand. :) thank you!

[ObsidianShenKa]

Anyone who'll listen.

[mara]

I do not know if they have or not either. *shrugs*

It's a shame how many young people are mislead on their spiritual path by the mis-information of those who should know better.

But you have a lot of young people who put themselves in harms way by not self-educating.
this is what I was referring to.

[SS'sBaby]

But you have a lot of young people who put themselves in harms way by not self-educating.

Its a rather dramatic statement you make that "young people are being put in Harms way" because of some outdated information. the fact that you say you don't know Laurie Cabot's position on the inquisition today and continue to berate her for it is puzzling to me.

That's not quite the correlation I meant to be percieved.

I'm saying that in general we have many young people who put themselves in harm's way by buying into mis-information.

Pagan and Christian and Aithiest and Satanist..etc. alike.

And no...I don't know her position on the Inquisiton today. AND I berate someone who would fill the heads of anyone with their own brand of misinformation while making a buck off of it.

Remember Oral ROberts? Good Example of one who did just that.

But one of the other reasons I berate Laurie Cabot is for her "cursing" the Salem Police when they came to arrest her daughter. I am guessing that the Old Ways don't include her or her children obeying the law by her "special code of reasoning"... :whatgives

[mara]

Is it Okay if she's human? she isn't perfect..I might(and likely would) say or do something stupid if I felt powerless to prevent someone from taking my grandson. I don't mean to become the champion for Laurie Cabot here, but as I've said I don't quite get the intense feelings she invokes in people. Maybe I don't know enough about her. I don't want to cause any hard feelings with anyone here so maybe I'll call a truce..maybe we should agree to disagree.

[IvyWitch]

in which starhawk book(s) is her information crap?

sorry to bother, just asking for a warning, cos i haven't read her stuff and would like to know beforehand. :) thank you!

I couldn't give you specifics as the last time I read the book was years ago, but basically she likes to talk about an ancient matriachal society and things like that that just are not true.

[SS'sBaby]

Agree to Disagree is fine by me Pet. :cool:

[ObsidianShenKa]

SSB involved in a happy ending? o_O

[lightdragon]

i dunno about that Obsy.

[ObsidianShenKa]

Hehe. Hello to you too o_O

[lightdragon]

I couldn't give you specifics as the last time I read the book was years ago, but basically she likes to talk about an ancient matriachal society and things like that that just are not true.
I recently read the Spiral dance. One thing i have to say is read the 20th Anniv. Ed. because in that one she admits to SOME of the mistakes she made in that book. Almost everything i agree in that book came from other sources which she stated doesn`t necesseray agree with.

I wouldn`t even waste time with the other books.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I recently read the Spiral dance. One thing i have to say is read the 20th Anniv. Ed. because in that one she admits to SOME of the mistakes she made in that book. Almost everything i agree in that book came from other sources which she stated doesn`t necesseray agree with.

I wouldn`t even waste time with the other books.


thanks. :D

[AterCorax]

But seriously...don't you find it odd for one to admire Cabot and link themself to Morrigu?

I just don't know that it matters if someone links themselves to Morrigu (a goddess?) or not. It's not like you hold the right to her and suddenly everybody who links themselves to her have to act like you do...

That was a mouthful!

-Ater

[ObsidianShenKa]

1. Morrigu = the Morrighan. You know, nasty triple goddess, but the fluffies love her...

2. Morrigu is a very specific deity, and her devotées are to act a certain way, and that way does not include the loudmouthed 60-year-old i-shop-at-hot-topic wannabe-goth glory-hounding hag.

3. SSB does not link herself to the Morrighan.

[lightdragon]

1. Morrigu = the Morrighan. You know, nasty triple goddess, but the fluffies love her...

2. Morrigu is a very specific deity, and her devotées are to act a certain way, and that way does not include the loudmouthed 60-year-old i-shop-at-hot-topic wannabe-goth glory-hounding hag.

3. SSB does not link herself to the Morrighan.
Care to give an example of #2 of what way you should act or are you gonna let those do not know who she is go in ignorance. :rolleyes: :thumbsup: :evilway:

just for the hell of it i`m gonna add these smiles because i feel like :stomp: :fprtyman2 :fpompoms :ghost: :sailing: :ringaroun :jamsessio :evilway: :needcoffe :crazyman: :broomride :yourock: :lookwhats :deviltail

[Morgandria]

Do a search here or on Google for The Morrigan. You'll find several threads about her here, and many good resources at Google.

[AterCorax]

I still stand by what I said: Who are you to decide how her followers should act/think/dress?

Excuse me Obsidian and SS'sBaby, but unless you're the Morrigan, I would keep my opinions to myself.

-Ater

[Khuinaset]

Excuse me Obsidian and SS'sBaby, but unless you're the Morrigan, I would keep my opinions to myself.

Sorry to butt in, but isn't that what this board is *for*? Sharing opinions? You might disagree with them, but you can't make them stop saying what they think...

[ObsidianShenKa]

Excuse me Obsidian and SS'sBaby, but unless you're the Morrigan, I would keep my opinions to myself.Make me.

[ObsidianShenKa]

See, AterCorax, I have a mind and opinions of my own. I don't need to excuse my opinions about Laurie Cabot or those who claim the Morrighan as their matron(s). I have no authority to enforce them, but I can think whatever the Hel I want to. Likewise, I don't expect you to excuse the rationale behind your opinion that I need to s.t.f.u. Doesn't mean you can do anything about it, though.

If you don't like what I have to say, DON'T READ IT. If you just can't stand the sight of me or my pretty little kitten, then put me on your ignore list and I will be out of your life forever.

Otherwise, learn to cope with my existence.

Cheers,
Obsidian

[blugirrl1]

Well i admit to having no knowledge of Laurie, so i took a look at some googled stuff on her. and while she seems very eccentric to each her own i say. as to her prices they seem about the same as tons of other websites out there. i have no urge to read her books, or shop her stores. obviously some people do.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Well i admit to having no knowledge of Laurie, so i took a look at some googled stuff on her. and while she seems very eccentric to each her own i say. as to her prices they seem about the same as tons of other websites out there. i have no urge to read her books, or shop her stores. obviously some people do.

agreed.

so someone's different from you (not you personally, i'm just saying 'you' as in general people...). tough. .____. deal with it. judging ms cabot by her personal appearence is superficial imo. so what if you don't like how she dresses? so. what. it doesn't mean you have any right to judge her intelligence based on how she dresses.

edit: i myself am not a fan of her. :p but that's got nothing to do with what kind of makeup she wears.

[lightdragon]

Do a search here or on Google for The Morrigan. You'll find several threads about her here, and many good resources at Google.
I know about doing something like that. I know Obsidian and what he's like. I`m joking with him. That's why i posted that.

I currently did do a YAHOO SEARCH on Laurie Cabot. Saw her site and i`m going :goodgrief . Her limited listing of gem lore is good i`ll give that. I don`t know why she got that flashy. i was thinking of posting a song Eugene O'Neill made of her though. I never got a chance to read her books so i cannot comment on them.

[ObsidianShenKa]

And you're a c-bag for doing so.

*smacks LD*

[lightdragon]

Oh whadda i do now???:wah2:

Can't i have a little fun :toofless:

[Morgandria]

I don't care much if Ms. Cabot decides to dress as she does; however, the reasoning behind it is somewhat suspect.

From http://www.controverscial.com/Laurie%20Cabot.htm:

"Laurie with a friend and her two daughters moved to the northern end of Boston. It was here that Laurie made a vow that she would live the rest of her life 'totally as a Witch', that she would wear nothing but traditional Witch clothing (long black robes), wear her Pentacle pendent displayed and emulate the Goddess by using black ‘eye-makeup’, according she says to an ancient tradition."

Sounds less like an "ancient Witch tradition" and more like a mid-life crisis dressed up for attention-getting. But that's just my opinion.

[Bec_W]

To be honest I don't care how she dresses, it's not for me, nor for most people, but it's none of my business. One thing that interests me is that she dresses in "traditional witch" garb, yet if a Salam shop owner dares to display a traditional halloween witch (you know, green skin warts etc) in his/her window she's up in arms about it.

Like I said I have no problems with her dressing like a "traditional witch" why not reclaim that part of our identity too? I simply don't like hypocracy.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I don't care much if Ms. Cabot decides to dress as she does; however, the reasoning behind it is somewhat suspect.

From http://www.controverscial.com/Laurie%20Cabot.htm:

"Laurie with a friend and her two daughters moved to the northern end of Boston. It was here that Laurie made a vow that she would live the rest of her life 'totally as a Witch', that she would wear nothing but traditional Witch clothing (long black robes), wear her Pentacle pendent displayed and emulate the Goddess by using black ‘eye-makeup’, according she says to an ancient tradition."

Sounds less like an "ancient Witch tradition" and more like a mid-life crisis dressed up for attention-getting. But that's just my opinion.

lol! that's interesting. while her reasons for dressing the way she does are apparently superficial...

there is still a slight chance she's somewhat intelligent. :)

[AterCorax]

Sorry to butt in, but isn't that what this board is *for*? Sharing opinions? You might disagree with them, but you can't make them stop saying what they think...

Yes, but it gets annoying when people state their opinions as facts. Plus, who the hell is anyone to speak for the gods? (Especially since neither of them follow the goddess in question.) Gods don't need some 'know-it-all's to speak for them.

-Ater

[AterCorax]

See, AterCorax, I have a mind and opinions of my own. I don't need to excuse my opinions about Laurie Cabot or those who claim the Morrighan as their matron(s).

Fine, just don't speak for the gods. Present you opinions as your own.

but I can think whatever the Hel I want to.

Hel? The word is 'hell' as far as I know. Yes, yes, I know about the goddess Hel. It just sounds fluffy to replace 'Hel' with 'hell.' :) (Aren't you like the anti-fluff?)

If you don't like what I have to say, DON'T READ IT.

Excuse me? You posted on a public forum. You stated your own personal opinions as truth and went as far as to speak for a goddess you (I assume) aren't even a follower of. If I disagree with you, I'll speak up.

I know that it would be easier for you if only the ones who agree with you speak up, but there are people who disagree and I for one will not keep my mouth shut because of it.

Otherwise, learn to cope with my existence.

The qestion is whether you can cope with people like me who actually speak their mind and don't hesitate to disagree with you.

-Ater

[Mab]

I couldn't give you specifics as the last time I read the book was years ago, but basically she likes to talk about an ancient matriachal society and things like that that just are not true.
In what society are you saying this is not true? I was a history major in college, and in my research for various papers...heck, even in hs in World History class...I learned that several ancient civilizations began as matriarchial societies. Where are you getting that this is "just ...not true"?

[IvyWitch]

In what society are you saying this is not true? I was a history major in college, and in my research for various papers...heck, even in hs in World History class...I learned that several ancient civilizations began as matriarchial societies. Where are you getting that this is "just ...not true"?

There was a theory perpetuated years ago that ALL civilizations began as matriarchal and they all worshipped a mother goddess. Yes, there are some, but not all.
And for the record, I'm not very convinced that it is a historical fact that there were more than a few if any matriarchal civilizations.

Oh, yes and I remembered who it was that authors like Starhawk were quoting who's theories were later debunked: Barbara G. Walker.

[Mab]

1. Morrigu = the Morrighan. You know, nasty triple goddess, but the fluffies love her...

2. Morrigu is a very specific deity, and her devotées are to act a certain way, and that way does not include the loudmouthed 60-year-old i-shop-at-hot-topic wannabe-goth glory-hounding hag.

3. SSB does not link herself to the Morrighan.
Actually, The Morrigan is a warrior goddess who many find to be an empowering female role model. She is not directly involved in battle, but rather in helping those she favors with strategy & warnings. She is also a very sensual & sexual goddess (from what research I've done), very much refusing to take the "victim" role, as many women (and some goddesses) have done. She is rather like the Cleopatra of the Celtic pantheon. The Morrigan (or Morrigu) is also used as a title for the collective Morrigan, Badb, and Macha. Now...saying that the "fluffies" just love her begs the question: Are you suggesting that all devotees of The Morrigan are fluffies?

And, really...isn't is a bit presumptious to state that all children of Morrigan are expected to act a certain way? Who decides what that code of conduct is? I don't follow any rules or code save those I know deep down are correct...things that I recognize as "yes...I just know it's right"..as almost some memory.....and I beleive that each encounter with any god/goddess is very personal...so, who is to say "If you follow X Gode/Goddess, you must behave this way & follow all these rules?" unless one is in a coven...I don't see how that can be.

Not defending Cabot as right, just her right (and mine) to be different & an individual whether you like her or not.

[Mab]

There was a theory perpetuated years ago that ALL civilizations began as matriarchal and they all worshipped a mother goddess.
Ok, I'll agree with you on that. One should not claim that ALL began that way. Some did. Been a while since I've done a study of any depth in this area, but this looks like the perfect opportunity to refresh.

[IvyWitch]

And, really...isn't is a bit presumptious to state that all children of Morrigan are expected to act a certain way? Who decides what that code of conduct is? I don't follow any rules or code save those I know deep down are correct...things that I recognize as "yes...I just know it's right"..as almost some memory.....and I beleive that each encounter with any god/goddess is very personal...so, who is to say "If you follow X Gode/Goddess, you must behave this way & follow all these rules?" unless one is in a coven...I don't see how that can be.

While I understand what you're saying, I agree with Obsidian. I for one would be a little wary of someone who worshipped Hades as thier patron and were cutesy fluffy pagans who loved fairies and unicorns. *shrug* Maybe I'm just being elitist, but I would have to say that a person like that needs to do just a little more studying.

[Mab]

While I understand what you're saying, I agree with Obsidian. I for one would be a little wary of someone who worshipped Hades as thier patron and were cutesy fluffy pagans who loved fairies and unicorns. *shrug* Maybe I'm just being elitist, but I would have to say that a person like that needs to do just a little more studying.Oh, I'm not for a second denying that she's WAY off on some of her stuff. I've only read the one book, but I have seen interviews with her, and I find a good bit of her claim on what is "traditional" or "ancient" or "as the Goddess herself did" to be totally suspect. I have to agree that stating "If you align yourself with a certain deity, you must act a certain way" to be very elitest & very much right up there with Christians pulling the "You cannot be a Christian if you drink/smoke/listen to rock music/dance/swear/have sex/ect.....b/c TRUE followers of Christ don't do that." My opinion...that's really very snotty bs allowing some to say "I'm better than you." (not directed at anyone in particular here, just at the attitude)

[MoonIsis]

I never met her but a friend of mine did have an audio tape that she made about how to use your minds eye for meditation. We listened to the tape and did what it said and I did feel as if a warm glow was around me. It felt like you were in a dream. Sadly, his cat jumped up on the tape and knocked over a glass of water and it ruined the entire experience. :(

[Tullip Troll]

Not everything she does is wrong...you can always use your own disernment(spell check please) to decide what is right or wrong...take what yo need and leave the rest behind.

I still can't get over how many people here who claim they are upset about the lack of acceptance, yet have little tolerance themsleves.

MheraPai...unlimited

[HorseCrow]

I have never heard of her, so I did a google- and what's up with her hair??! From looking at her she strikes me as a little too Disney.

[MoonIsis]

That's the perfect comparison....LOL. I used to highly respect her, but since I have been on this forum and others have brought her up, I have started to agree with others that she is kinda over rated. Her material that has been published I have no problems with. I thought the audio tape I listened to was wonderful. Her image however, with the hair, always wearing black, the makeup, and wearing "traditional wiccan garb" all the time is a little extreme for today's standards. I agree with others who have stated this.

[savannahrose44]

Oh, I'm not for a second denying that she's WAY off on some of her stuff. I've only read the one book, but I have seen interviews with her, and I find a good bit of her claim on what is "traditional" or "ancient" or "as the Goddess herself did" to be totally suspect. I have to agree that stating "If you align yourself with a certain deity, you must act a certain way" to be very elitest & very much right up there with Christians pulling the "You cannot be a Christian if you drink/smoke/listen to rock music/dance/swear/have sex/ect.....b/c TRUE followers of Christ don't do that." My opinion...that's really very snotty bs allowing some to say "I'm better than you." (not directed at anyone in particular here, just at the attitude)

I must agree with you.....:D