Wicca and the Occult

[TheSpiritWithin]

I have just returned to Wicca this week after years of being away.

Everytime I come back to Wicca and I start doing my prayers and rituals strange things start happening around me. I find it a little unnerving and cant help but feel a certain amount of fear. I am a white witch. I do not practice dark magic, I do not believe in evil, or spells to harm.

Last night a bottle of glue flew across my room. Before when I was in Wicca this stuff happened to me constantly. Stuff dissappearing and reapearing in different place, candles lighting on their own, books falling off of shelves. My place had a haunting in the past, but we had someone come in and send the spirit on his way. I live in an apartment and every tennant was having issues so we had to take action. So I know for a fact that this is not a haunting. The place I lived before when I was in Wicca was warehouse space that was newly converted so little chance of haunting.

If it is not haunting what is it? Why do these things happen to me? It scares me. I love Wicca and the beliefs it is based on, but I am afraid of my power, or the power, or whatever it is.

Julie
xo

[Desdemona]

Wow. The only thing that comes to mind, is that whenever you engage in your spirtual activities, you get a lot of attention from beings/entities/sprits who find you interesting. If it were me, I would do a couple things. First, I would get in touch with an experienced elder, someone to talk with you one on one and find out what is going on. They might be able to clean out your space for you much better than the last person who did. I know you don't believe this to be a haunting, but not all spiritual energy emanates from humans who have passed on.

I would also reevaluate my shielding and warding techniques if they aren't working like they are supposed to. I would meditate and try to establish a relationship with my deities, spirit guides and animal totems, and really form a strong bond with them so they can protect me. I would strengthen those relationships first, before I would attempt to do any rituals or raise any kind of energy. For some reason you are catnip to whatever is out there.

[Ben Trismegistus]

If it is not haunting what is it? Why do these things happen to me? It scares me. I love Wicca and the beliefs it is based on, but I am afraid of my power, or the power, or whatever it is.
If I had to guess, I'd say that it's a hidden part of your mind physically manifesting your fear of Wicca. I think you're sabotaging yourself.

[Fideal]

If I had to guess, I'd say that it's a hidden part of your mind physically manifesting your fear of Wicca. I think you're sabotaging yourself.

Sort of like a poltergeist? They're supposed to be the manifestions of out of control feelings or emotions, yes?

[Ben Trismegistus]

Sort of like a poltergeist? They're supposed to be the manifestions of out of control feelings or emotions, yes?
More like telekinesis.

[ObsidianShenKa]

I am a white witch. I do not practice dark magic, I do not believe in evil, or spells to harm.Julie,

I hate to sound like a bully here but you're contradicting yourself.

You claim to be a "white" witch, and you don't practice "dark" magic. I don't believe you're a racist, so I'm going to assume you're linking white=good and dark=evil.

But you say you do not believe in evil.

Then why would you insist on saying you're not evil?

The fact of the matter is, occult knowledge is ALL "dark", because it's all hidden from the visible world, or the "light". Regardless of whether you heal or hurt with it, magic is a tool concealed from the eye of the masses, and therefore is "dark".

Perhaps you should reassess your labels. Maybe that will unease your fear of your own power, because if I had to take a wild stab at it, you're afraid you'll use your magic for evil ends. But if you don't believe in evil, then you're right as rain, no?

Oh, and try not to make glue fly again. It tends to make messes that no amount of magic — only hard scrubbing in the mundane world — will clean up.

Cheers,
Obsidian

[BlackHoodedCrow]

You need good and bad light and dark. It is part of the world. How do you know one exsist without the other. It is natural not supernatural.
I never cast a cirlce. I feel no need to. In order to do magic you must embrace ALL of nature.

Decemver

[ObsidianShenKa]

...you misspelled your name :O

[BlackHoodedCrow]

...you misspelled your name :O

LOL See what happens when you don't wear you glasses!?

D-E-C-E-M-B-E-R

[ObsidianShenKa]

It's been a...loooong december....

[BlackHoodedCrow]

It's been a...loooong december....

OH Counting Crows!
Anyhoo
I have run into a few "pagans" who claim supernatural occurrences happening after they "got into" the craft. I'm not saying that is what the original poster is saying!
However, There is a tendency to sensationalize magic when really it is often mundane in it's working and not as noticeable. :-)

December

[mara]

When I first left christianity and started pursuing my interest in witchcraft and the occult I had a lot of fear..conscious and unconscious. I had the worst dreams for such a long time that I put it all on hold for a year because I couldn't handle it... I was literally afraid to go to sleep at night. I then made a descision that I would go ahead and not let fear ruin the path that was so obviously right for me..the nightmares and fear stopped as my resolve strengthened and things have been going along fine now for a few years. I think that you'll have to figure out if the occurences are a result of your fear, or if you're attracting these types of things because you have a gift..I also think that there are things out there that feed off fear..and sort of mess with those of us who are prone to it. I think they go away when you become stronger and more sure of yourself. Just an opinion.

[Romani Vixen]

I agree with what everyone has said, particular Desdemona and Ben.

Light and dark are very rigid terms. Far more rigid than magic. There is neither. Magic .. energy *is*. Remember perspective, what you see as one thing, another might see as another thing.

Work on your shielding. Get to the basics a little more (read: make sure your foundation is stable). Don't fear yourself!!!!

PM me if you need to talk...

:)

[TheSpiritWithin]

Thank-you everyone for all your kind help. It makes quite a bit of sense.

I guess I should not have said that I don't believe in evil, but rather that I don't believe in using spells to fulfill evil thoughts.

I also think there might be something to the telekinesis. My boyfriend said once when I was angry with him talking over the phone a c.d. went flying off his coffee table, could it really be that strong?

Last night after writing my post, 4 light bulbs in my apartment blew out, (There are about 8 in total so that is half). Is fear causing this? probably. The thing is this time I knew stuff would most likely start happening again, and I was ready for it. Maybe sub-consciously I am not. I am going to read more about shielding, as recommended, I think that might be a good idea. Although I don't want to be too shielded in case this is not telekinesis but the entities are actually trying to help and all this activity is their way of saying hello, we are here and we are listening.

BTW - My first spell came to fruition today! That was exciting.

Julie
xoxo

[TheSpiritWithin]

I took some advice and tried to do a cleansing of my living space today. As I was going through I came across one distinct cold spot, it is August so there is not mistaking this for a breeze. I tried to stand in it and meditate on what it might be, but I just took it as a sign that my cleansing was working. I went back later to the same area and it seemed to be back to normal. I always first try to rationalize everything with physics.

Does anyone know what this might signify?

Julie
xo

(sorry for being so needy)

[fay]

don't worry about sounding needy. everyone is here to help, learn from other people's knowledge and pass on what they can to people they think that they can help.
your case sounds interesting but i have no idea what it could be. sorry, i'm not very helpful.
blessed be

[Desdemona]

I took some advice and tried to do a cleansing of my living space today. As I was going through I came across one distinct cold spot, it is August so there is not mistaking this for a breeze. I tried to stand in it and meditate on what it might be, but I just took it as a sign that my cleansing was working. I went back later to the same area and it seemed to be back to normal. I always first try to rationalize everything with physics.

Does anyone know what this might signify?

Julie
xo

(sorry for being so needy)
It could be some stagnant energy, negative energy, someone pissed off hanging around, who knows! Regardless, continue with cleansing, and look into developing some good wards, and ward your house tight.

If you have telekenetic power, and it is triggered by situations that make you anxious, then more than ever you need to make peace with Wicca in your brain, heart, and then get those two organs together on the same page. Building a relationship with a patron diety can be VERY helpful with this. If you are having residual fear from one of the Abrahamic religions that you will burn in hell for this, I recommend two books :http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738702226/qid=1091745065/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-8483605-6482246
and http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400045940/qid=1091745095/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8483605-6482246?v=glance&s=books. Both of these books helped me get over any baggage I had from previous indoctrination. These can help you make peace with your faith. As for controlling telekentic energy in general, that is beyond my scope, advice-wise. :(

[Theres]

More like telekinesis.
all those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand!

(Ben, your av is really starting to scare me! :woah: )

[TheSpiritWithin]

I have run into a few "pagans" who claim supernatural occurrences happening after they "got into" the craft. I'm not saying that is what the original poster is saying!
However, There is a tendency to sensationalize magic when really it is often mundane in it's working and not as noticeable. :-)

December

I don't feel as I am looking for anything extreme. I know it is just a way of life, I have always looked for omens and signs regardless of my faith. I just think this is all interesting some kind of energy force has been stirred up around me and I am fascinated and apprehensive at the same time.

[Desdemona]

all those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand!If you don't believe in telekinesis, then... don't comment, lol. I have never witnessed such a phenomenon myself, but who am I to deny someone else's experience? I wasn't there, were you? If you are just going to point and snicker, be rude and mean, then you sure picked the best forum for that. The "New Pagans" forum is a good place to shoot people down. Nice job. Way to go. :thumbsup: :rolleyes:

[charmedkisses1]

Yes I agree, I don't think spells should be used to entertain or bring out evil or bad events, to me that only propogates the theory all witches are bad.

[ObsidianShenKa]

If you don't believe in telekinesis, then... don't comment, lol. I have never witnessed such a phenomenon myself, but who am I to deny someone else's experience? I wasn't there, were you? If you are just going to point and snicker, be rude and mean, then you sure picked the best forum for that. The "New Pagans" forum is a good place to shoot people down. Nice job. Way to go. :thumbsup: :rolleyes:
*takes the chip off your shoulder, dips it in ranch, and eats it*

Relax. Trying to beat up the bully by his own methods (condescending and patronizing language, for one) isn't going to do any good. If you really want him silenced, either petition a moderator to gag him (although I doubt that would happen under this circumstance) or knock his karma points down. Hel, knock my karma points down for suggesting you might be wrong! Or am I just being a bully trying to shoot you down?

I thought his comment was rather funny. It was more facetious than anything, including condescending.

I repeat: RELAX. :colorful:

Cheers,
Obsidian

[TheSpiritWithin]

all those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand!



I never took this as condescending, I thought it was funny actually. There is always room for a little humor in life. Being a witch I put up with "all" the remarks. I would take more offense from an outsider actually. I know what is true. You really can't deny reality. I think that it is so awesome I have been shown this little insight that there really is more grey than black and white in this world.

love,
Julie
xoxo

[Theres]

If you don't believe in telekinesis, then... don't comment, lol. I have never witnessed such a phenomenon myself, but who am I to deny someone else's experience? I wasn't there, were you? If you are just going to point and snicker, be rude and mean, then you sure picked the best forum for that. The "New Pagans" forum is a good place to shoot people down. Nice job. Way to go. :thumbsup: :rolleyes:
wow, lighten up!
i heard that line some time ago, and thought it too funny to not respond here. if you're oversensitive about your pet theories, perhaps you shouldn't post on public forums! :rolleyes:

[Desdemona]

wow, lighten up!
i heard that line some time ago, and thought it too funny to not respond here. if you're oversensitive about your pet theories, perhaps you shouldn't post on public forums! :rolleyes:Awww, heck, I'm sorry. I was having a bad day, looking back over the thread I see I over reacted.

Now that I think about it, it is funny. :bigredblu :hehehehe:

[SacredWithin]

Last night a bottle of glue flew across my room. Before when I was in Wicca this stuff happened to me constantly. Stuff dissappearing and reapearing in different place, candles lighting on their own, books falling off of shelves.


I recently read in a book recently that this can happen to people who have special spiritual powers (forgot what it's called) and it can happen during times such as when they happen to you (prayer,). In your case, this happens during prayer, but in general, it's whenever there is a concentration on spiritual energy. It can frighten the person who is doing it unwillingly.

*shrugs*

First thing that came to my mind.

It scares me. I love Wicca and the beliefs it is based on, but I am afraid of my power, or the power, or whatever it is.

Julie
xo

Oh look, your answer. :) Perhaps it is your power.

[Ron]

:fofftopic:
way to bump a thread :P lol ;)

[SweetIsTheTruth]

If I had to guess, I'd say that it's a hidden part of your mind physically manifesting your fear of Wicca. I think you're sabotaging yourself.I agree with this. Embrace your dark side. Don't act as if it doesn't exist. That which we label "good" and "evil" spring from the same source. If we deny the dark side, it masters us. If we accept the dark side of ourselves, we master it so that it serves us. Now, I will happily admit that I know nothing, so feel free to put me on ignore.

[kaosxmage]

I never took this as condescending, I thought it was funny actually. There is always room for a little humor in life. Being a witch I put up with "all" the remarks. I would take more offense from an outsider actually. I know what is true. You really can't deny reality. I think that it is so awesome I have been shown this little insight that there really is more grey than black and white in this world.

love,
Julie
xoxo

Tis just a thought, but I saw this post and your white witch post. Let's think about electricity. It's quite powerful and employed for all manner of different uses, from powering your home all the way to cooking Uncle Chucky for killing 13 young boys for kicks. Is the electricity good? evil? Simply a power to be used by anyone who can harness it? I think you see where this is going. Now apply the same logic to life and magick, you'll be fine.

Much love,
--Kaos