Book of Lies Study Group : Chapter 2

[mol]

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THE CRY OF THE HAWK

Hoor hath a secret fourfold name: it is Do What
Thou Wilt.(3)
Four Words: Naught-One-Many-All.
Thou-Child!
Thy Name is holy.
Thy Kingdom is come.
Thy Will is done.
Here is the Bread.
Here is the Blood.
Bring us through Temptation!
Deliver us from Good and Evil!
That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom,
even now.
ABRAHADABRA.
These ten words are four, the Name of the One.

[mol]

Let me know if we are going too fast for discussions...a lot of us are still on Chapter 1. And that is fine...keep discussing.

[Semele]

Originally posted by mol
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{Kappa-Epsilon-Phi-Alpha-Eta Beta}

THE CRY OF THE HAWK

Hoor hath a secret fourfold name: it is Do What
Thou Wilt.(3)
Four Words: Naught-One-Many-All.
Thou-Child!
Thy Name is holy.
Thy Kingdom is come.
Thy Will is done.
Here is the Bread.
Here is the Blood.
Bring us through Temptation!
Deliver us from Good and Evil!
That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom,
even now.
ABRAHADABRA.
These ten words are four, the Name of the One.

Ok, I don't know who this Hoor character is, but I get the sense that here he is telling us that we are one with God. We are the child, yet OUR name is holy, OUR kingdom is come, and OUR will be done.

In saying deliver us through temptation, rather than from temptation, maybe he is saying that temptation is a necessary process. Lessons will be learned, and with delivering us from good and evil maybe we are to take nothing from either experience. Perhaps just to recognize they both exist...or do they? My crown, as God's crown is one and the same. We are God???

[Emy]

oki, here comes my thoughts on this chapter, and please excuse me if it makes no sense, I am really tired right now. :)

Oki first
this one is soooo easy to draw parallels to christianity don't you think?

Anyways, the secret name "do what thou wilt", of course it immediatly makes me think of the rede...

And hmmm I don't know this Hoor "thing", might be a god, or it might be a name for the people in general, we do what we want.

And I guess child could be the pupils, the students, our name is holy, our kingdom come etc.
Here is bread
Here is blood
Might be about what we (the students) need, in that case it is right here it seems...
Bring us through temptation might be something that we (the students) might ask for.. for someone to bring us through temptation.
Deliver us good and evil might also be something the students are asking for. Bring us good and evil, for we are ready, for our kingdom is to come.... we can handle it sort of. ... etc

The abrahadabra part... hmmm don't know about that one either, it might in some way refer to Hoor, Hoor had a secret name yes, and perhaps even more names than that... however it is interesting about abrahadabra, it is one of those words you can easily put into a square.

Well, just a thought :)

Blessings

[Revelation]

Just a quick note: Hoor is Horus :)

[Emy]

Originally posted by Revelation
Just a quick note: Hoor is Horus :)

Aha, oooh, I should have figured that one out, I blame the late hour here in sweden :)

Thank you


BB

[slvr_phoenix]

Well, I think this is going a tad fast for me, but that's probably just because I've been going to bed too late lately. Heh heh. :) I'll see what I can do with this one.

I have to say, this chapted didn't speak to me as quickly or solidlly as the others did. My first impression of it was that it was just a mockery of Christianity. However, I put that aside and read through it a few more times to try and get other feelings from it. I'll have to admit though, as someone who wasn't really seeing much of a sexual reference in Chapter 1, Chapter 2 is looking even less that way to me, so my interpretation will probably be quite boring. **LOL**


THE CRY OF THE HAWKTo me, hawks are known for excellent vision, and for flying far above our world. So my impression of this was that the following would be words of advice from an outsider who can see the 'big picture' that we can't see as readily because we're a part of the picture. And that this cry is meant to get our attention.

Hoor hath a secret fourfold name: it is Do What
Thou Wilt.(3) I'm guessing Hoor is the hawk? **really big shrug** Is this some name we're supposed to recognize from a specific context? Or is it something like the name of some spirit communicating to Crowley? Or maybe just Crowley's magickal name? Maybe it's me, but this line almost seems a jest. How is it a secret name if you're telling everyone? Heh heh. And Do-What-Thou-Wilt is an odd name if you ask me. :) It is however reasonably good advice, and maybe that's the point, that it's not supposed to be any secret at all.

Four Words: Naught-One-Many-All.This gives me the impression that the following words apply to after the creation of the universe we're in. That Nothing became something, then became many, and now all things in the universe are a part of those energies, so in a way we're all part of the GODs, just as is every rock and tree and stream, etc., etc. That all things are related to the same source.

Thou-Child!I think this was meant to get our attention and not much else, except maybe to say that we're all GOD's children, or else we're about as far along as a child is in Hoor (or GOD's) eyes.

Thy Name is holy.
Thy Kingdom is come.
Thy Will is done. Three lines. I'm thinking that this is meant as a message to us from the hawk about how we relate to the Triad. That we are a part of the GODs, and as such we are like deities ourselves. That we have the power to do things with our desires, and that this world we are in is ours to enjoy.

Here is the Bread.
Here is the Blood. Two lines, perhaps a message from hawk about what the allies Chaos and Order have given us. They gave us food, they gave us life. They want us to exist. They want us to prosper. They want us to live.

Bring us through Temptation! One line. I think this is a message from the hawk's own heart. That we shouldn't be tempted by the absolute power of any one of the GODs, but instead spread forth existence how we want it to be, not how they want it to be.

Deliver us from Good and Evil!One line, but following the mathematics it's a line of value 0. I think this is the hawk delivering a message from Nothing for us. It wants delivery from both good AND evil. What else is there, but nothing? So this is Nothing's plea for us to adjust the balance of the Triad somehow so that it can return the universe into nothingness.

That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom,
even now.I think this is a message from Crowley (or the hawk) to the GODs, flaunting that because they're equally balanced against one another, that the power to shape the world isn't only in their hands, but in all of our hands, and since they're balanced against each other, negating each other's control, it's our power that controls the universe, even now.

ABRAHADABRA.Beats me on this one. I vaguely remember the cheesy party magicians saying something that sounds like Abra-Kadabra, which is incredibly similar to this phonetically. So maybe that had it's roots from this? Or maybe it's just some universal name for magick? **really big shrug** I don't know.

These ten words are four, the Name of the One.This line I think is trying to reference the "Naught-One-Many-All" bit from earlier, saying that together we all make the One. Whether the One is a reference to a god or the universe, I have no idea. Maybe the One simply means existence, that combined, the GODs, all of us, everything, we all together make up existence.

[Semele]

Originally posted by slvr_phoenix

I think this is a message from Crowley (or the hawk) to the GODs, flaunting that because they're equally balanced against one another, that the power to shape the world isn't only in their hands, but in all of our hands, and since they're balanced against each other, negating each other's control, it's our power that controls the universe, even now.


Hadn't thought of it that way before, but now that you mention it....kind of seems that way!

Gotta run...out on the town with thesitegod!!! Can't wait to read the rest later.

[Revelation]

Abracadabra means, roughly, "It will be so because my words make it so". I'm looking for an actual translation but I cant recall where I let it. But it carries with it the notion that the power of the spoken words coming from my mouth will bring this working into fruition.

(in other words, it carries with it the same notion as the phrase "Amen")

[Swanspirit]

I had already read the commentary on this one ...... so now I feel bad........ BUT ..... I did realise that Hoor Was Horus the HawkHeaded Egyptian God........and I have to admit that entire analogy to the "Lords Prayer has just turned me off.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ that last series of letters has been brought to you by my Kitty walking on the keyboard...... what can I SAY????????? LOL
Love and NEXT........????
Swannie

[Rævyn Cigány]

Originally posted by mol
Thy Name is holy.
Thy Kingdom is come.
Thy Will is done.
Here is the Bread.
Here is the Blood.
Bring us through Temptation!
Deliver us from Good and Evil!
That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom,
even now.


Gee, you think that the New Testament committed pergury (or the other way around)...?

This is almost identical to the Lord's Prayer

Here's the excerpt:

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, On Earth, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread....and lead us not into Temptation, but deliver us from Evil. For thine is the Kingdom the power and the Glory, Forever and ever, ...

This isn't the entire prayer, but you can see where the similarities lie...

BB

Rae )0(

p.s. Incidentally, the story of Horus and the story of Jesus Christ are, I have been told, remarkably similar....

[Danustouch]

Personally...i have absolutely NO doubt, that Crowley knew EXACTLY what he was writing when he modified the christian.."Lords Prayer". To me, it all seems to mean, that he's speaking about not doing good because someone tells you too. nor staying away from evil, because someone tell you to..but to make your OWN judgement, on what is best for your life. Not on any preconceived notions of good and evil.

[Swanspirit]

At least to the extent of researching Horus ....
Thank you and NICE to see you in this thread .........
HUGS
Swannie

[Swanspirit]

What I found......
Horus
Egyptian sky god. Usually depicted as a falcon
or in human form with the head of a falcon.
The sun and the moon are said to be his eyes.
Son of Isis and the dead Osiris. He was born at
Khemmis in the Nile Delta, and Isis hid him in
the papyrus marshes to protect him against
Seth, his father's murderer. Horus later
avenged the death of his father against Seth.
Horus lost his left eye (the moon) in the contest
between the two. Horus was identified with
Lower Egypt and Seth with Upper Egypt in this
battle, which lasted eighty years. The gods
judged Horus to be the winner, and Seth was
either killed or castrated. The consequence of
Horus's victory was the union of Upper and
Lower Egypt. The Egyptian pharaoh was
believed to be an incarnation of Horus, and the
name of Horus formed part of his name. The
pharaoh was said to become Horus after death.
Seth restored the eye he had torn from Horus,
but Horus gave it instead to Osiris. The image
of the "eye of Horus", a human eye combined
with the cheek markings of a falcon, became a
powerful amulet among the Egyptians.Among
the various manifestations of Horus were:

Harpokrates (Heru-Pa-Khret,
Harpakhrad): "Horus the child". This
refers to his birth and secret rearing by
Isis. In this form he is often depicted as a
naked child seated on Isis's lap.

Haroeris (Har Wer): "Horus the elder". In
this form Horus battled against Seth.

Harakhte (Harakhti, Heraktes): "Horus of
the horizon". Horus at Heliopolis, linked
with Ra in the sun cult. In this form he is
associated with the rising sun.

Harendotes (Har-nedj-itef,
Har-End-Yotef): "Horus the saviour of his
father" A reference to the avenging of his
father's murder.

Harmachis (Heru-Em-Akhet, Harmakis):

"Horus in the horizon". Horus as symbol
of resurrection, linked with the setting
sun.

Harsiesis (Harsiese, Har-si-Ese,
Hor-Sa-Iset): "Horus, son of Isis".

Harsomtus (Har-mau): "Horus the uniter"
This is a reference to his role in uniting
Upper and Lower Egypt.

Hor Behdetite (Behedti): "Horus of
Behdet". Originally a local form of Horus
as Behdet in the Delta region. In this form
he was symbolized by the winged solar
disk.
So I see several themes there.....
The Child ....
The Reurrection and the Light
are all from "christ", but I also found where Crowley in his writing is not faithful to the historical Egyptology..... and creates some artificial relationships between some Egyptian Goddess and Gods that has no validity in the actual Egyptology ....Specifically NUIT Or NUT< which is one of favorite Egyptian Goddesses.... had a cat named Isis years ago..... but someone took her...... ah well I digress.
remembers Mol saying something about throwing out some of what Crowley says and goes hmmmmmmmm
:>
Love and light
Swannie
wish I knew the artist for this....

[mol]

Some great takes on this already. Of course the reference to hoor and the statement of ABRAHADABRA is very important.

Hoor, to Crowley, is the Hawk Headed Lord that took his place upon the Throne of Ra. Aiwass, a minister of Hoor-paar-kraat, delivered to Crowley the Book of the Law (We will be studying this one as well.) Crowley was deep into the Egyptian and Thelemic mysteries.

Also...look at ABRAHADABRA.

This is what Crowley deemed...the word of the Aeon...the Aeon of Horus. This ABRAHADABRA == 418 and is the word AND reward of Ra-Hoor-Khuit.

[slvr_phoenix]

Thanks Revelation and Swanspirit for the Horus tips. :) It makes sense. I don't know why I didn't put two and two together myself. **shrug** Except that I was tired, and am not much into Egypt mythology myself. Heh heh. So thanks. :)

In doing some quick research on Horus, I found the following quote: "In this very ancient form, Horus is also a creator god, the falcon who flew up at the beginning of time. " (taken from http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/horus.html) So I think that puts everything into a pretty good perspective if you ask me. :)

The hawk is Hoor, and he was probably one of the first creations to be there to witness existence, and thus (by my interpretation) may have even seen the creation of the Triad itself, having been created by Chaos before Nothing fully became a GOD and before Order even really existed. So he was witness to almost the whole thing.

Which also explains why Hoor would say, "Bring us through Temptation!" If he were created from Chaos only, or even from combined energies of Chaos and Nothing, then he isn't a balance of the three GODs like most of creation is, and is probably therefore strongly pressed to siding with Chaos and/or Nothing, even though he understands now how to side with them is to possibly destroy our existence. He knows he can't bring people or himself through the temptation that HE is feeling because of his imbalanced energies. So HE wants US to bring HIM, and others like him, through HIS temptation.

And thanks Revelation for the heads up on abracadabra. It seems to fit everything else pretty well. :) If you find more info, please let us know. :)

And Danustouch, I agree that he probably knew exactly what he was doing to parody "The Lord's Prayer". It strikes me that so far all that we've read speaks more of a deranged genius than the babbling of an insane man. Heh heh. Like he strove deeply for meaning in each and every word, trying to put as much meaning into as few words as possible, in a way that you have to look at it from several perspectives just to decipher the true meaning. It's kind of freaky. I wonder just how long it took him to write the book. I'd have never given him that kind of credit... until now. Heh heh. Maybe though future chapters will force me to take that back. ;)

[Swanspirit]

This just in......

Abracadabra was a corrupted word of power; Abracadabra is the French translation of the Greek word Abrasadabra, from which the word ABRAXAS comes. Abrasadabra can be traced to Alexandria Egypt and the second century
of the common era; it was a word of power used by the Gnosis.
Etymologically, Abrahadabra is the child of Abrasadabra, which also makes it my child.
Artists and Musicians FREQUENTLY refer to their creations as their "babies", so for Crowley to refer to his "word" as "my child"
follows quite naturally there as does .....
The oldest known users of this word( abrasadabra) were members of the ancient Alexandrian Gnostic sect of the Basilidians in the second and third centuries AD. They probably based their mystical word "abrasadabra" on the name of their deity, Abraxas.
Another possible origin involves the three Hebrew words Ab (the father), Ben (the son) and Acadsch (the holy spirit).
Gotta LOVE Etymology ....
ooooh more ......on Abraxas
Jung positively loved this God he was the god of creation and destruction, the YAY and NAY god, and he was evidently a pre god - god who encompassed all of the energies of the other gods and was the very fabric of the universe.

"Abraxas: name given by the followers of Basilides to the Logos or the Universal Architect. The two
snakes included in this sacred Gnostic symbol are allegories of Sulphur (the Fire) and Mercury (the
metallic soul of the sacred sperm). The letters I-A-O form the fundamental Mantram used in Tantric
Sexual Union between spouses. "
This is the god that gave the WORD to the Creator to speak , I can see why he appealed to JUNG and I think i have just added to my pantheon as well :>
and would I leave you without a PIC?
warning tho this pic seems very derivative of more ancient FEMALE divine emanations.
Love and light'
Swannie

[bananabrain]

"abracadabra" is aramaic. alef-bet-resh-alef-kaf-dalet-bet-resh-alef. it literally means 'i will create as i speak'. this is nothing to do with 'amen', which is an acrostic of alef-mem-nun, short for 'EL MeLeKh Ne'EMAN', meaning 'El, faithful king'.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Revelation]

When the word AMEN is used in ceremonial circles, it doens't mean that, though. In ceremonial circles it means "as I say it, it shall be done".

[mol]

Originally posted by mol
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{Kappa-Epsilon-Phi-Alpha-Eta Beta}

THE CRY OF THE HAWK

Hoor hath a secret fourfold name: it is Do What
Thou Wilt.(3)
Four Words: Naught-One-Many-All.
Thou-Child!
Thy Name is holy.
Thy Kingdom is come.
Thy Will is done.
Here is the Bread.
Here is the Blood.
Bring us through Temptation!
Deliver us from Good and Evil!
That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom,
even now.
ABRAHADABRA.
These ten words are four, the Name of the One.

Here I go...

Ten words: Child, Name, Kingdom, Will, Bread, Blood, Temptation, Evil, Good, and Crown.

CNKWBBTEGC == 540 which attributes to the Sphinx or Inspiration.

But it gets the most important when he speaks the word of the Aeon.

A is 11 with the Value of 6
B is 12 with the Value of 12
R is 28 with the Value of 108
A is 11 with the Value of 6
H is 18 with the Value of 48
A is 11 with the Value of 6
D is 14 with the Value of 24
A is 11 with the Value of 6
B is 12 with the Value of 12
R is 28 with the Value of 108
A is 11 with the Value of 6

Its funny that I always come up with 342 which is the number of the Magician but Crowley came up with 418. Ive always struggled to try and account for the missing 76. Anyway...here is what the formula presents.

AB == 18 or Ba (Baal?); RA == 114 or Egg, Ra (Imagine that?); HAD == 78 or Age, Had (Another one); AB == 18 or Ba; RA == 114 or Egg, Ra;

So...

We have an Egg then we Age then we become the Egg again.

[Revelation]

Where are you getting these numbers from?

[Lilu]

You aren't a member of the AncientEgypt list on eGroups are you mol? Gee that number thing sounds familiar... :)

Lilu (who is terrible with numbers but enjoying the conversation none-the-less)

[mol]

Originally posted by Revelation
Where are you getting these numbers from?

From my brain.

[loopy]

This probably has nothing to do with anything, but this page (http://www.geocities.com/lasttrumpet_2000/greek.html) lists the numerical values of the Greek mumbo jumbos.

[Revelation]

Originally posted by mol


From my brain.

Can you be more specific? Do these numerical value have a basis in something that can be shared with the rest of us? And hwat does it mean to say A is 11 with a value of 6? If A is 11 why isn't its value 11? I could see how A (aleph) is give the number 11 on the TOL, as it is the 11th path, but then where does the 6 come from?

I'm just trying to figure out what you're working with.

[mol]

Originally posted by Revelation


Can you be more specific? Do these numerical value have a basis in something that can be shared with the rest of us? And hwat does it mean to say A is 11 with a value of 6? If A is 11 why isn't its value 11? I could see how A (aleph) is give the number 11 on the TOL, as it is the 11th path, but then where does the 6 come from?

I'm just trying to figure out what you're working with.

Sorry about that...what I meant was it comes from a numerical system that rests inside my head. Based on my Binary Path. I do use it in conjunction with some numbers Crowley produced from his own interpretations of his own work.

I include these numbers as reference only. I try to put them into words on every post so that people can 'kind of' see how I get those interpretations. If they are really going to confuse anyone...then I will just leave them out and try to give my interpretations in the written word.

Sorry about that everyone...

[slvr_phoenix]

Hey mol, I don't think you should be sorry about it or have to hide that part of your interpretation from us because we don't understand. We're all here to offer our interpretations. :)

I say offer yours in it's fullest and let GOD sort it out. ;)

If we get confused by yours we have merely to stop contemplating it and concentrate on something else. :)

[Semele]

Originally posted by slvr_phoenix
Hey mol, I don't think you should be sorry about it or have to hide that part of your interpretation from us because we don't understand. We're all here to offer our interpretations. :)

I say offer yours in it's fullest and let GOD sort it out. ;)

If we get confused by yours we have merely to stop contemplating it and concentrate on something else. :)

The story of my life!!!

Seriously, while it may not make sense to me...it does to you and God and maybe someone else will benefit from it as well.