Salvia Dinorum Question

[SkySilver]

I just wanted to see if there is anyone here who has ever tried salvia dinorum (aka Aztec Gold). I posted a poll to get a general idea about it. One of my customers were asking about it. All I know about it so far (from what I've heard) is that when people smoke it, they get into a trance-like state. Although it can also be burned as an incense. Does anyone have any more input on the uses of this herb? Any comments and helpful input will be appreciated.

Blessed Be

[mara]

I've heard of this and would also be interested in hearing some input. I know the plants are pretty expensive and hard to get, and it's not easy to get the seeds to germinate. (By the way skysilver I've been getting a lot of compliments on my avatar..I really like it, thanks again.)

[SkySilver]

Hopefully I'll get some input on it. I try to stay well-informed on the products I sell.

I'm glad your avatar gets all that attention. I didn't expect that. That's cool though.

[mara]

I'm sorry, I didn't get it from your post. Are you selling it? Do you hve a website?

[SkySilver]

Yes, I do sell it on my website. The link to my website is in my signature.

[Calyx]

Friendly word of warning:
DEA considers this to be a plant worth tracking. It's confiscated if it comes into the U.S. I don't think it's illegal, but just be forewarned.... :)

[Pappa Rooster]

Salvia Divinorum

http://www.sagewisdom.org/

Also search Google...LOTS of info.

[SkySilver]

Thanks

[Seren_]

It's very easy to grow from cuttings, and can take a lot of neglect! It likes a lot of water, but grows best if you let it wilt a bit first. It's not exactly pretty, more like a weed. My husband bought a plant online and it did very well until it got infested with whitefly :( No amount of treatment got rid of it.

The effects of salvia divinorum are quite sharp and fast, similar to an LSD trip from what I've been told (never tried either myself), but lasting about five minutes. The oil is far more potent than smoking the leaves; those people I know who've tried smoking it say it was a real effort to get anything out of it.

[Akashic Brother]

Salvia is nothing like any other drug in it's effects. It is used in a weekly ritual as an initiation into Mazatec Shamanism, and initiates learn to grow a bond between Salvia, and learn to travel through her (ally). It is not a plant for just a fun trip as she will not tolerate it. She will show you the err of your ways (which is good), but with the proper intent she will show you much more. After mastering the use of salvia initiates would then master the morning glory, and then mushrooms. Many shamans would continue the use occasionally or not at all, as it wasn't anymore needed. I find most people neither really like nor really dislike the effects, and usually do not really care to try it again.

[Pandy Fackler]

The sage wisdom site is probably the best info you'll find all around.

Since it's not illegal (yet) and it's very easy to grow, you could actually cultivate it yourself. And, in fact, if you plan on smoking it/eating it/etc, it's probably better if you DO grow it yourself.

[SkySilver]

The sage wisdom site is probably the best info you'll find all around.

Since it's not illegal (yet) and it's very easy to grow, you could actually cultivate it yourself. And, in fact, if you plan on smoking it/eating it/etc, it's probably better if you DO grow it yourself.

I'm way ahead of you... got the best info on that site! Thanks for the help. :)

[cinatus]

Its Salvia Divinorum and it is the most powerful naturally occuring hallucinogen in existance.

[HemlockLemonade]

You can buy it at most head shops. I've smoked it a few times, and it's more like going into another dimension-a journey of sorts- briefly. The effects are almost immediate and usually lasts about 5 or so minutes for me. It has a horrible "taste" to it as well and sometimes I get a headache afterwards. Not really worth it for me.
It isn't anything like LSD, something I was very much into years ago.

[Necrosapien]

And it's going to be legal for a while. They're trying to make it illegal, comparing it to marijuana. Thing is...it's nothing like marijuana...save for the fact that you can smoke it. They way the legislature would work (if I understand it right) is that if you have a drug that's currently outlawed (ie. pot) and another drug is chemically comparable to it, you can put forth legislature to get it outlawed. But since Salvia Dinorum isn't anything close to pot (not even close to THC) they're having trouble. So for now...light up and enjoy while you can. Some people were caught with it with "intent to distribute" and got arrested. You can grow it as long as it's a "decorative" plant...usually outside.

But it's all good :D Haven't gotten around to trying it myself...but as of right now, it's a "legal" hallucinagen.

[Makas]

There are many places on the internet you can buy live plants. Using it both dry and fresh, I would say fresh chewed is much more powerful than dried smoked.

[coeur]

I have heard that Salvia is very intense, oftentimes creating hallucingenic or dissociative highs. One thing that people have always reported is the 'leaving of their bodies,' as well as complete disbelief in everything around them (very matrixy).

[Shanti]

Its illegal in 2 states. I think its LA and MO. You can not possess it, sell it, buy it....period. Totally banned.
Other than that, there are no regulations on any strains of Salvia Divinorum in other states. ( local communities may have their own laws, always know your local laws as well as state and fed)


As for usage...some people love it, some dont, some nueteral and some dont get much affect. The plant seems to very a lot with people.
Smoking it, there is a technique and some master it easily, some not as easy. I have found many differant opinions all across the board.

The potency also varies depending on the strain, which there are many but some are hard to obtain.

Its not a plant that gives a viable seed. Its propagated by cuttings for the most part.

Some strains are more simple to grow, but some can be very difficult.

Salvia Divinorum is the same family as all the sages. But Divinorum is the only one with the ingrediant, salvinorin A. That is the chemical that causes the effect. Some sellers do rip people off and sell regular cooking sage instead of Divinorum and it can be hard, sometimes, to tell the differance. Ebay has had sellers rip people off. Buyers should only buy from a reputable source, preferably one you know.

The cost is rather high for any of the Salvia divinorum species.

All strains are warm weather plants, and prefer high humidity. In most of the U.S. it is best grow as a house plant ( dry air is a prob indoors, needs humidity through misting and gravel pan) and a terrium is quite suitable for it. Its very prone, all strains, to white flies and other plant pest. It likes shade and moisture, not wet. It doesnt tolerate cool temps for long.
Its native to particular regions with ideal conditions in Mexico and some has become endangered due to over harvest of the wild originals.

If you buy plants, and want to be sure of quality, make sure the history can be traced. Reputable people who are propagating the species can and do know the history back to the original it came from. Most Divinorum are clones from an original with history in tact. There are some being propagated by seed and thus not a clone from the original collections, but the knowledge of potency and vitality is not commonly available yet as this propagating of seed has not been done on a large nor long term scale, yet.
Natural mutations can also be traced back to an original clone.

[Sage WindMoon]

Its illegal in 2 states. I think its LA and MO. You can not possess it, sell it, buy it....period. Totally banned.
Other than that, there are no regulations on any strains of Salvia Divinorum in other states. ( local communities may have their own laws, always know your local laws as well as state and fed)

I live in MO, and last I heard it was illegal to sell to minors. At that time, my community was one of the only ones in the US to pass laws restricting its use. I'll have to check to see if this has changed as described above.

It doesn't matter to me personally, as I do not use substances such as this. From what I've read, the results can be very intense and dependent on dosage levels which may be difficult for a novice to adequately control. If you're thinking about trying this as a casual recreational high, you might want to reconsider. At the very least, it is recommended that you have someone with you to keep you from doing anything dangerous. Caveat Emptor.

Just my $0.02.

[Ptah]

Its Salvia Divinorum and it is the most powerful naturally occuring hallucinogen in existance.

Never tried it, eh?

[Shanti]

I live in MO, and last I heard it was illegal to sell to minors. At that time, my community was one of the only ones in the US to pass laws restricting its use. I'll have to check to see if this has changed as described above.

It doesn't matter to me personally, as I do not use substances such as this. From what I've read, the results can be very intense and dependent on dosage levels which may be difficult for a novice to adequately control. If you're thinking about trying this as a casual recreational high, you might want to reconsider. At the very least, it is recommended that you have someone with you to keep you from doing anything dangerous. Caveat Emptor.

Just my $0.02.

August 28, 2005 it was declared a controlled substance in MO. Bill 633 chapter 195.017.

Aug 8, 2005 (efective but signed June 28, 05) Louisiana did the same thing: Act No 159

No other states have seemed to make the same laws but many are trying.

[Psycmoe]

Its Salvia Divinorum and it is the most powerful naturally occuring hallucinogen in existance.

I gotta disagree. The mushrooms tell me to.

[Psycmoe]

August 28, 2005 it was declared a controlled substance in MO. Bill 633 chapter 195.017.

Aug 8, 2005 (efective but signed June 28, 05) Louisiana did the same thing: Act No 159

No other states have seemed to make the same laws but many are trying.

*screams* That's horrible! What possible reasons could they find to ban SALVIA?????? *throws a tantrum*

[Benvarry]

I think that would be "divinorum"? 'Divin--' being the key descriptor in the case of this plant :P

I haven't tried it, but I have to admit that I am interested after listening to a Podcast a week or so ago about it!

[Semele]

That salvia is stuff is from the devil. No lie!:spaceman:

[Sev]

I've never heard of it being called "Aztec Gold," I don't know where the heck that name came from. Usually it's referred to as Salvia, Salvia Divinorum, Diviner's Sage, or Divine Mint.

It is a very potent hallucinogen. Smoked, the durations last only a short while -- maybe 15 minutes, less in the actual peak. Chewed, it lasts quite a lot longer.

If you're going to smoke it, I'd recommend getting a 5x fortified product, because the plain leaf has very little Salvinorin in it -- you have to smoke a -lot- to get the most potent effects.

I'd recommend www.erowid.org for more information, and http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/ as a source for quality leaf.

Many people -hate- Salvia, and most of those who don't hate it have a great deal of respect for it. Most salvia trips are -not- comfortable -- you don't get the 'white light' of bliss like you do with tryptamine hallucinogens. (LSD, psilocybin, etc.) It's a darker -- not 'evil', just ... darker -- thing. It's really -nothing- like an LSD trip, as others here mentioned.

For those who want to try it, I'd recommend a good pinch of 5x extract in a water bong with warm water. Hit it, hit it hard, and try to do the whole thing in one large breath, whilst holding the flame to it. When the ashes glow white, you're done. Use it in a dimly-lit, quiet room -- and if it's your first time, have a sitter. Some people will get up and do stuff they have no recollection of -- you want to do it in a safe place. And don't worry if you melt into the couch. ;)

Many people get no or minimal effects the first few times they try it.

Common effects from salvia include a warm, sweaty feeling, the feeling that gravity is 'off' -- down won't be down, that is -- and potent tactile hallucinations.

And on a more mystic note -- approach Lady Salvia with respect, or she'll stomp you into the ground.

[Sev]

You can buy it at most head shops.

Most of the head-shop stuff is -crap- quality and -waaaaaay- overpriced.

[Skylah]

Smoked, the durations last only a short while -- maybe 15 minutes, less in the actual peak. Chewed, it lasts quite a lot longer.

What about making a tea of it? Do you think it'd have milder or stronger effects?

[CloeOtter]

I help out at a store that sales Herbal Smokes. The salvia we sale is all natural and from what costumers have told me the kind she sales that is not chemically enhanced gives the best experience you can have. The extracts have to be high burned and bongs and or high burn in a pipe for the best experience that way. rolling in a wrape does not burn high enough to be affective...I do not know about teas or chewing...sorry

[princeether]

Salvia Divinorum is a Cultigen...Its Ancestry is Unknown.
Its the only plant that contains Salvinorin A and I have one sat on my windowsill, and I have never known myself to be so connected to one of my plants. I see her in my dreams, and I saw her in one particular dream, she was huge and covered in browning, gnarled leaves, so I know she will stay with me for a long while.
I think Salvia comes from somewhere else.

[Tullip Troll]

My experience would say, not a party drug. It's quite crazy and fast acting and completely consumming.

If your doing it for dream quest great but I think it would be better to do it the way they used to with stuffing your cheeks (I am simplifying). Smoking it gives you about a 5 to 10 minute journey, doing i the traditional way gives you a whole lot longer. You need the longer journey just to get your bearings. Done safely it is quite an experience.

It's pretty intense stuff and I would not do it near people you did not trust and a place where you falet safe because of how consuming it can be.

[electricpeppers]

My experience would say, not a party drug. It's quite crazy and fast acting and completely consumming.

If your doing it for dream quest great but I think it would be better to do it the way they used to with stuffing your cheeks (I am simplifying). Smoking it gives you about a 5 to 10 minute journey, doing i the traditional way gives you a whole lot longer. You need the longer journey just to get your bearings. Done safely it is quite an experience.

It's pretty intense stuff and I would not do it near people you did not trust and a place where you falet safe because of how consuming it can be.

Very interesting.

[Devashra]

Hi

i have Eaten Salvia Divinorum, because i have a Problem smoking and the Effects are just grand, its are really Motherly effect the first time i took it i had the feeling like beeing in the Arms of the Goddess.

I also have felt alot of Power and Wisdom in this Plant, i wouldnt try it just for fun and its really poerfull but if youre prepared and connect with the Plant then its a wunderfull experience.

Bye Lhiya

[Mesektet]

Used it both solitary and in ritual with groups. After smoking it in multiple devices, I finally agreed with Terrence McKenna's recommendations that the gravity bong would be the best method to get the most of the smoke. Its a wonderful experience, reccomend it to everyone with breath in their lung.

Watch for getting pulled to the floor. Like DMT.