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Windigo
September 3rd, 2004, 08:48 PM
I just saw this posted at another, thought i'd share it with you:

OCTOBER 5:
Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet, I am as small as a seed of an apple, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I shall love flowers.


OCTOBER 19:
Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.

OCTOBER 23:
My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: "Mama".

OCTOBER 25:
My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire. It will stop, and then I shall die.

NOVEMBER 2:
I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before those little legs will raise me to my mother's arms, before these little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.

NOVEMBER 12:
Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.

NOVEMBER 20:
It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?

NOVEMBER 25:
My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Kathy. I am getting so big already.

DECEMBER 10:
My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has.

DECEMBER 13:
I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, mom?

DECEMBER 24:
I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the world a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly tup-tup tup-tup. You'll have a healthy little daughter, mom!

DECEMBER 28:
Today I was aborted



WDYT? Now isn't that sad? As someone who is -basically- against abortion, i think it is...but it sure does make you think about what they can feel, right?

BTW this is not posted to discuss pro/against abortion opinions, just to share this story i found.

I also don't think a child/foetus can think like that but i do think a child can feel pain from somewhere between the 3rd and 12th week (and later of course) because between that period the nerve system is *under construction* lol

Phoenix Blue
September 3rd, 2004, 09:02 PM
This isn't sad at all. It's a classic example of an "appeal to emotion" fallacy. Rather than debate abortion rationally, people want to make you feel sorry for something, thereby swinging you to their point of view. It's a pretty low tactic, if you ask me... smacks of emotional manipulation, especially since this "sad story" never actually happened.

Velvet
September 3rd, 2004, 09:03 PM
This isn't sad at all. It's a classic example of an "appeal to emotion" fallacy. Rather than debate abortion rationally, people want to make you feel sorry for something, thereby swinging you to their point of view. It's a pretty low tactic, if you ask me... smacks of emotional manipulation, especially since this "sad story" never actually happened.
Ditto. It's not sad, it's stupid.

Klucky
September 3rd, 2004, 09:08 PM
I have to agree with PB.

-Klucky

GreenAurora
September 3rd, 2004, 09:09 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. But, think about this story...

I'm a 24 year old mother of two. I have no job. I live in an apartment that I can barely pay the rent on because my husband is not good with the money. I am ready to leave my husband, and against my will he forces sex on me and I am pregnant, again. He then leaves me for another woman.

What happens then? Yes, adoption is an option, but some women can not bear the thought of giving away a baby, and abortion is the answer for them.

Just thought I would shed some light on the other side of the issue.

Bec_W
September 3rd, 2004, 09:20 PM
This isn't sad at all. It's a classic example of an "appeal to emotion" fallacy. Rather than debate abortion rationally, people want to make you feel sorry for something, thereby swinging you to their point of view. It's a pretty low tactic, if you ask me... smacks of emotional manipulation, especially since this "sad story" never actually happened.

What he said exactly.

Rowan MoonDragon
September 3rd, 2004, 09:22 PM
I have to agree with PB also. Appealing to emotion rather than stating facts. Pretty underhanded if you ask me.

Windigo
September 3rd, 2004, 09:30 PM
Alright alright, we'll let it go. :whatmewor

valis
September 3rd, 2004, 09:51 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. But, think about this story...

I'm a 24 year old mother of two. I have no job. I live in an apartment that I can barely pay the rent on because my husband is not good with the money. I am ready to leave my husband, and against my will he forces sex on me and I am pregnant, again. He then leaves me for another woman.

What happens then? Yes, adoption is an option, but some women can not bear the thought of giving away a baby, and abortion is the answer for them.

Just thought I would shed some light on the other side of the issue.

your husband disgusts me.

forcing sex on anyone, spouse included, is rape.

i wish you the best, and hope your situation becomes more positive.

cheers

WolfWonderess
September 3rd, 2004, 10:04 PM
What PB said.

As a work of prose, it's sad.

When applied to reality, it's unrealistic.

alesay
September 3rd, 2004, 11:13 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. But, think about this story...

I'm a 24 year old mother of two. I have no job. I live in an apartment that I can barely pay the rent on because my husband is not good with the money. I am ready to leave my husband, and against my will he forces sex on me and I am pregnant, again. He then leaves me for another woman.

What happens then? Yes, adoption is an option, but some women can not bear the thought of giving away a baby, and abortion is the answer for them.

Just thought I would shed some light on the other side of the issue.



I too agree with PB to an extent. This is a tactic to shame people into pity. Yes, to some it hits home, and to some, it hits it out of the ball park... But... like Aurora has mentioned, it depends on the situation, the person. It always comes down to the persons choice... Thus, Pro choice and what not.... Who's to say what they'd do if they were in the situation.... NO one can unless they are.... Just my two cents..... But i do think the story is lame

Asthmorte
September 3rd, 2004, 11:22 PM
thats a horrible story...:(

GreenAurora
September 4th, 2004, 09:25 AM
your husband disgusts me.

forcing sex on anyone, spouse included, is rape.

i wish you the best, and hope your situation becomes more positive.

cheers

Oh no, THAT terrible thing did not happen to me. I was simply using 1st person point of view to make a point, as the original poster did. I hate to be crude, but if my ex-husband would have tried to force sex on me, he would have ended up needing medical attention.

BUT-- I have definately heard of things like that (sadly enough) and there is always two sides to every coin.

Fideal
September 4th, 2004, 10:33 AM
(I tried to censor any F words...if I missed any, just tell me and I'll fix it)

Dear Dad,

Hey, that sounds kind of weird. Dad. You probably didn't think you'd be hearing that anytime soon...Well, no one really ever does. Although I suppose it's not actually relevant, because you aborted me. You know. Before I was born and all. Even paid to have it done, and felt relief, relief of all things when I was gone. Rejection feels bad enough when you're alive, you know. But anyway, Dad, yes, you aborted me, and for that, I have only one thing to say.

Thank you!

Holy shit, you have no idea how f'd-up I would have been. For real. But just to let you know, since I'm here in places that Schroedinger could only dream about, let me give you a brief rundown of the life I would have had, if you'd made the boneheaded mistake of keeping me.

I probably don't need to tell you that, while I was gestating, your girlfriend took a morning-after pill and dropped tabs, and did so with a false sense of security because the zoomtards at health services told her she wasn't pregnant. Yeah. And c'mon Dad, anyone who hits the sauce as much as you do shouldn't be fathering anyone, let alone me. But hell, you weren't trying to have me, so no worries. Anyway, my life. You can probably imagine that your sex life would have been ruined by her being pregnant, and you're right. Although you two love each other, it would be battered to pieces by her being pregnant, and you'd start to resent each other, you resenting her for getting pregnant, and she, you, for making her so. This would have gone on, but you'd have resolved to stay together. Finding out I was a boy, you'd have named me before I was born, and incidentally a good-sized fight would have broken out over the last name. Eventually settling on hers (probably knowing what was going to happen), you named me Stephen after your dad, and then I was born, at which point your resentment of each other turned into a quiet sort of unspoken mutual distaste. It's really hard to care about someone when you half-blame them for ruining your life.

Me? I was all sorts of wack. For one thing I was born retarded, and pretty appalling to look at, and both problems only got worse as time went on. Keeping me alive put you in the poorhouse pretty much, and you wound up living at your parents' house with a baby. Sure, you loved me, but you stopped caring about my mom, and you two eventually broke up. As she could not possibly support a child, that went to you. Your life was wrecked, your career never happened, we lived with your parents until you were thirty, and school was hell for me, absolute hell. After my mom, you were single for the rest of your life because no one wanted to date the parent of a retarded, deformed kid. Speaking of, school was pretty much hell in every way. I was picked on constantly, had no friends, and even the teachers hated me. Although I was far too ****ing stupid to catch all of the barbs thrown my way, I got enough of it, and though you were a really good father, I mean come on. It's not like I really understood anything you told me. Mom saw me a lot, and tried to be a parent, but you two couldn't stand each other because of all the bullshit that flew years ago. You missed her forever, and she missed you. Eventually it was off to high school for me, where the fact that we were one of the poorest families in town was certainly fodder for discussion, and quite a few beatings against which my palsied hands could offer no real defense. Unable to take a hint, I asked a lot of really pretty girls to the prom, and was met, mostly, with "I'd rather die, you freak." I went to prom anyway, and sat alone, once or twice being pelted with food. You moved out at thirty, but I never could, because social security or none I was too much of a basket case to make the requisite loot, and I never moved out. The rest you can probably guess yourself.

So, here I am in potentia, and very, very happy to stay that way. Pro-lifers say that a baby, if it knew, would want to be born, but I can say in all honesty that if I knew in the womb what I know at the moment, if asked I'd say "**** that, I'll chill in the realm of permanent possibility, hanging out with Metallica's credibility."

So thank you, Dad. And Mom too. You cut the plant off at the seed, rather than let it grow sick and miserable and wishing it had never been born. Er, metaphorically. I never even became a person, mostly just a blood clot, but you were as close to a parent as anyone can be, and I was as close to your child as you've had so far, and in those terms, by letting me go rather than consigning me to a life of unrelenting hell on earth, I'd have to say that you and D. were the best parents anyone could ask for. Anyway, I'm out like your sex drive for a week after the abortion. Laters. -S

alesay
September 4th, 2004, 10:41 AM
*icky face* that one sucked too LOL

Koehnae
September 4th, 2004, 11:00 AM
Something tells me this is one of those topics where its going to be bad to have an opinion on...

Fideal
September 4th, 2004, 11:03 AM
*icky face* that one sucked too LOL

Just providing an alternate view point :D

Old Witch
September 4th, 2004, 11:17 AM
Pure emotionalism....Life and reality are different from that....

valis
September 4th, 2004, 02:00 PM
Oh no, THAT terrible thing did not happen to me. I was simply using 1st person point of view to make a point, as the original poster did. I hate to be crude, but if my ex-husband would have tried to force sex on me, he would have ended up needing medical attention.

BUT-- I have definately heard of things like that (sadly enough) and there is always two sides to every coin.


you got me good :woah:

"I hate to be crude, but if my ex-husband would have tried to force sex on me, he would have ended up needing medical attention."

that's more like it

cheers,

HorseCrow
September 4th, 2004, 03:45 PM
No, not sad- just a Danielle-Steel-softfocus attempt to force guilt and anguish upon women who have respect for themselves, their bodies and the future of an unwanted child.
Besides that, there are complete errors in the timeline, I'm not even going to get into that.

aluokaloo
September 4th, 2004, 03:59 PM
It was a little bothersome, but its a shame tactic, and thats bothersome also. If you don't ever want to abort, then don't if you feel by some need that you need to abort, say that child will put a strain on already strained financial resources, came from rape of incense or the mother's health is at risk, or the child would live a horrible life because of some awful disease or maybe an abusive spouse or such, or just too young! Then fine, the choice lies with every person, so does the reason to abort or to not abort.

Moon Daughter
September 4th, 2004, 04:40 PM
both of those 'stories' are just horrible.
there was only story of this type, written in a embryo's voice, which was mre or less ok-- simply b/c of the way it was written. it actually communicated the emotion rather that throwing them at the reader.

these 2 are bad though.

FestiveLeaf
September 4th, 2004, 09:15 PM
This isn't sad at all. It's a classic example of an "appeal to emotion" fallacy. Rather than debate abortion rationally, people want to make you feel sorry for something, thereby swinging you to their point of view. It's a pretty low tactic, if you ask me... smacks of emotional manipulation, especially since this "sad story" never actually happened.

I agree with PB on many levels...