Something You Can't Do in California...

[CloakofStars9]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=8&u=/nm/20040913/od_nm/crime_necrophilia_dc





SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Having sex with corpses is now officially illegal in California after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Arnold%0ASchwarzenegger%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=web-storylinks&p=Arnold%20Schwarzenegger)) signed a bill barring necrophilia, a spokeswoman said on Friday.



The new legislation marks the culmination of a two-year drive to outlaw necrophilia in the state and will help prosecutors who have been stymied by the lack of an official ban on the practice, according to experts.

"Nobody knows the full extent of the problem. ... But a handful of instances over the past decade is frequent enough to have a bill concerning it," said Tyler Ochoa, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law who has studied California cases involving allegations of necrophilia.

[kaosxmage]

Now I have to stay in Illinois .....

[LeftToWonder]

This outrages me!
The goverment is stealing all of our rights!

[Avalon]

Do necrophiliacs have to take a warm shower when they're turned on?

[Terestai]

Yep... just what California needs to dig itself out of the fiscal crisis: spending money on sensible legislation. :thumbsup: I'm glad to know that this national epidemic has been solved.

[Dextra]

That was so wrong! :rotfl:

[LadyAutumnCat]

:rollingla

[soilsigh aingeal]

Well I'm never moving there! :lol:

[Terestai]

Well I'm never moving there! :lol:

That's alright, because it should be safe now! The Governator has saved the day. :shhhh:

[Bainidhe Dub]

*looks around* Is it REALLY that much of a problem? lol

[Tullip Troll]

darn thats to bad...

MheraPai

[Avalon]

Can necrophiliacs be bored stiff? Or is that a good day for them?

[WolfWonderess]

Should I feel safer now? O_o

[WitchJezebel]

Ewwwwww.... I lived there 11 years and I didn't realize it was 'big' there....

[Terestai]

Does an old necropheliac with one foot in the grave have a foot fetish?

[LadyTrinity]

Omg.. what a dumb law. No no no.. I dont agree with having sex with dead people... I just mean.. how bad can the sex with dead people problem be to actually have a law for it. Now THAT is strange! :hmmmmm:

[~ Monk ~]

That's some rigor-ous legislation. :2G:

[Boogins]

Excuse me, does that mean they've banned a dead lay? :rollingla

[Sowelu]

:rollingla

[LadyTrinity]

Excuse me, does that mean they've banned a dead lay? :rollingla
:rollingla :rollingla :rollingla :rollingla :rollingla :rollingla

[Avalon]

Woo hoo! This is better than the German with the rubber girlfriend!

[Terestai]

Woo hoo! This is better than the German with the rubber girlfriend!

Though the objects of affection have something in common: inanimation. :D

Which leads me to wonder what the cops take as evidence in these cases. :eek:

[Erebus]

I suspect some people are hunting for corpses that look like their dearly departed spouses.

In other words, dead ringers. :D

[Pol]

I don't really find the humour in it. A man couldn't be prosecuted for sexing the corpse of a 4 year old girl. Would you want someone having sex with your dearly departed? It may not be news-worthy, but is it such a bad thing that it is illegal to have sex with someone's deceased family member?

[Koehnae]

Do necrophiliacs have to take a warm shower when they're turned on?
:rollingla :rollingla :rollingla :rollingla :rollingla

[misschief]

Excuse me, does that mean they've banned a dead lay? :rollinglahaha.. THAT'S a good one. :lol:

[Yasmine Galenorn]

Thank gods I'm getting cremated (when it's time, not now). Just scatter me back to Mama Ocean and that's good enough for me.

And if somebody *did* have a problem with that being a law...well...I really wouldn't want to know them. Too freaky and reminds me too much of an old friend who went off the deep end.

Yasmine

[Silver_FireStar]

I don't really find the humour in it. A man couldn't be prosecuted for sexing the corpse of a 4 year old girl. Would you want someone having sex with your dearly departed? It may not be news-worthy, but is it such a bad thing that it is illegal to have sex with someone's deceased family member?

I tend to agree with Pol.in fact that's basically what I was going to say. Why does it surprise you that the american government has actualy done something to protect our loved ones. Whether they're dead or alive do you really want to know that some pervert came along and screwed your child? your wife? your grandma? When they are most vaulnerable. Dead they have no say in it and while yes they are not harmed by it, you may never again be able to look upon the grave with such memories, you're thoughts will be tainted in a way never to be corrected.

I am shocked at the jokes you are making, where I live you would all be branded as sick, and no child (anyone under 18) and most adults would never talk to you. Tell me do you actually like necrophiliacs? or are you just so used to it that you find the idea of it being banned hilarious?

And to tell you the trueth I think it's illegal in england, not because it's a problem, but because our government is sensible enough to realise that the effects are devastating for the surviving family.

I can honestly say that I am shocked at anywhere that does not have the law in place. It is rape. necrophilia is rape. there was no concession to the intercourse, therefore meaniing that it cannot be anything but.

*clings to a friend and sobs* the people think necrophilia is funny, they scare me

[Katya]

our governor is weird..

[Old Witch]

:geez: :twitch: You know....well...nevermind.... :blushake:

[Koehnae]

I tend to agree with Pol.in fact that's basically what I was going to say. Why does it surprise you that the american government has actualy done something to protect our loved ones. Whether they're dead or alive do you really want to know that some pervert came along and screwed your child? your wife? your grandma? When they are most vaulnerable. Dead they have no say in it and while yes they are not harmed by it, you may never again be able to look upon the grave with such memories, you're thoughts will be tainted in a way never to be corrected.

I am shocked at the jokes you are making, where I live you would all be branded as sick, and no child (anyone under 18) and most adults would never talk to you. Tell me do you actually like necrophiliacs? or are you just so used to it that you find the idea of it being banned hilarious?

And to tell you the trueth I think it's illegal in england, not because it's a problem, but because our government is sensible enough to realise that the effects are devastating for the surviving family.

I can honestly say that I am shocked at anywhere that does not have the law in place. It is rape. necrophilia is rape. there was no concession to the intercourse, therefore meaniing that it cannot be anything but.

*clings to a friend and sobs* the people think necrophilia is funny, they scare me
I'm not laughing at necrophilia... I'm laughing (nervously) at the fact that we actually live in a world where we have to have a law against it. Sometimes laughter is the best way to deal with something that frightens you.

[DraconisArcanus]

Can necrophiliacs be bored stiff? Or is that a good day for them?
That was sooooooo bad I laughed! You are too funny!

[Flaire-FireStar]

:geez: Sometimes I wonder....

I thought you were going to hit me with this (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=9&u=/ap/20040914/ap_on_re_us/california_weapons_law) one.

[Silver_FireStar]

I'm not laughing at necrophilia... I'm laughing (nervously) at the fact that we actually live in a world where we have to have a law against it. Sometimes laughter is the best way to deal with something that frightens you.

Earthwhispers, necrophilia has been around for as long as man, as has homosexuality (just a random one, nothing against them), prostetution and other such things which the government, and most of the society despise, the thing is, it's only recently, within the last 500 years or so we have come to look upon them as something wrong and disturbing.

We don't NEED the law there. We have it for our peace of mind, so we know 'good if someone does this to lucy, charly, erik whatever, they won't get away with it' It's not out of nescesity, if it were I'ld seriously reconsider my stand on americans, but as a safty blanket. Like when we were kids, we didn't need someone to check under the beds and in the wardrobes for monsters, but it did make us feel a damn site safer.

[~ Monk ~]

I tend to agree with Pol.in fact that's basically what I was going to say. Why does it surprise you that the american government has actualy done something to protect our loved ones. Whether they're dead or alive do you really want to know that some pervert came along and screwed your child? your wife? your grandma? When they are most vaulnerable. Dead they have no say in it and while yes they are not harmed by it, you may never again be able to look upon the grave with such memories, you're thoughts will be tainted in a way never to be corrected.

I am shocked at the jokes you are making, where I live you would all be branded as sick, and no child (anyone under 18) and most adults would never talk to you. Tell me do you actually like necrophiliacs? or are you just so used to it that you find the idea of it being banned hilarious?

And to tell you the trueth I think it's illegal in england, not because it's a problem, but because our government is sensible enough to realise that the effects are devastating for the surviving family.

I can honestly say that I am shocked at anywhere that does not have the law in place. It is rape. necrophilia is rape. there was no concession to the intercourse, therefore meaniing that it cannot be anything but.

*clings to a friend and sobs* the people think necrophilia is funny, they scare me
So it's not possible to agree with the idea behind the law yet still find humour in it?

I definitely wouldn't want to live in a place that can't poke fun at the absurd.

[Silver_FireStar]

do you find humour in rape? that's all it is. Anyone who can find such things humourfull are quite frankly slightly disturbed, even by a psychologists reveiw, as 9/10 people who find things such as rape, murder, necrophilia funny end up doing it themselves.

a funny law is...an american one...no eating oranges in a bath

[~ Monk ~]

Anyone who can find such things humourfull are quite frankly slightly disturbed, even by a psychologists reveiw, as 9/10 people who find things such as rape, murder, necrophilia funny end up doing it themselves.
I've laughed at odd things all my life yet haven't ended up doing any of them. Maybe I'm just the lucky one out of 10?

There's a big difference between maniacally laughing at something without realizing it's wrong and simply poking fun at it. I'm sorry you can't see that difference.

[Carickah]

*looks around* Is it REALLY that much of a problem? lol
I dunno, let's ask my soon to be ex-wife... oh, wait she's still alive just imitating a dead ....

Oh well.




k

[Silver_FireStar]

I've laughed at odd things all my life yet haven't ended up doing any of them. Maybe I'm just the lucky one out of 10?

There's a big difference between maniacally laughing at something without realizing it's wrong and simply poking fun at it. I'm sorry you can't see that difference.

yes I see the difference, but to find humour in a situation like that is sickening, and that's the last I will say on it. *wanders off to find saner people*

[DraconisArcanus]

Hmmmmmm......When I visit Ontario, CA next week I hope I don't fall asleep...never know what could happen to me???!!!

Ack...did I say that out loud again??? Sheesh <No offense to my CA friends>

Peace

[Boogins]

I think the real point here is that this law is a waste of the Governator's time and the money of the people that he governates. This is already covered by statutes such as "desecrating a dead body" or "committing an indignity to a human body". However, giving the titillating language of the new law, it makes for a great photo op and also paints the Governator of much higher morals than his reputation might allow. And, given that reputation (for chasing and feeling up women not his wife)... I'm certaily not taking back my zinger.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

i don't know why the government cares about its citizens' bed-exploits.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

I think the real point here is that this law is a waste of the Governator's time and the money of the people that he governates. This is already covered by statutes such as "desecrating a dead body" or "committing an indignity to a human body". However, giving the titillating language of the new law, it makes for a great photo op and also paints the Governator of much higher morals than his reputation might allow. And, given that reputation (for chasing and feeling up women not his wife)... I'm certaily not taking back my zinger.
.... wahaha. governator. :)

yeah. only in the united states would they spend their time on this stuff.

[~ Monk ~]

yes I see the difference, but to find humour in a situation like that is sickening, and that's the last I will say on it. *wanders off to find saner people*
*waits for the men from the Funny Farm to take him away*

[Valkie]

do you find humour in rape? that's all it is. Anyone who can find such things humourfull are quite frankly slightly disturbed, even by a psychologists reveiw, as 9/10 people who find things such as rape, murder, necrophilia funny end up doing it themselves.

a funny law is...an american one...no eating oranges in a bath

it's not the act that is humorous.... same as molesting Priests, dead babies, or handicap situations aren't funny.... but I still hear jokes about all of the above, and I still laugh. There are plenty of comedians who have there entire shows about such things that would truely disturb people... but people laugh. It's just another way of bringing something out in the open, to let them know that this is out there... if you laugh about something it's harder to forget.

As far as the sad thing of needing such a law... I find it alot sicker that this is a problem than the fact that people are laughing about it.

[Erebus]

I don't really find the humour in it. A man couldn't be prosecuted for sexing the corpse of a 4 year old girl. Would you want someone having sex with your dearly departed? It may not be news-worthy, but is it such a bad thing that it is illegal to have sex with someone's deceased family member?

Why would either of us care? She's dead. She's got other things on her mind at the moment. She's probably not paying a whole lot of attention to the shell of flesh she left behind.

Personally, when I die, I'm going to be too busy convincing the universe not to send me back as a snail to care if someone's bonking my corpse back on earth.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Why would I care? She's dead. She's got other things on her mind at the moment. She's probably not paying a whole lot of attention to the shell of flesh she left behind.
for once, i think i agree with you. :)

[Pol]

Strangely, Erebus, you made a post by quoting me and making a witty comment, yet never actually dealt with what I said in the post.

Would you want some sick **** raping your daughter's corpse?

And Viviene: It's not about bed-sploits. It's about raping someone's body. It's about sick people taking the body of a child, adult, elderly person and raping it. Did the family give them permission to do so? Did the corpse?
Would you want someone to rape the corpse of someone you know and love?

It's easy to make jeering comments that sound witty and smart (Erebus), but to back them with substance and truth is what is important. Do you have grandparents, living or dead, that you cared about? Or a mother, or daughter, or sister, or brother, or son, or daughter, or niece or nephew? Would you want some psycho having sex with their corpse?
If you let them do it, you may as well watch or do it yourself, because you obviously would have no care for their body at that point.

[Pol]

Also, a bit more on the government's place in the bedroom:
It's illegal to have sex with children. What if that child gives permission, even if they are only 4 years old? It's still rape, because a child that young cannot judge what is best for them.
If the government has no say over certain sexual actions of its denizens, then why should it govern other acts such as rape and child molestation?

[Koehnae]

I think what Erebus was trying to remind us... in his own witty way... is that the body is nothing more than a shell, so who cares what we do to it when there's no spirit to occupy it? It may seem harsh, but that's just the way some people feel.


I apologize for speaking for Erebus if I'm wrong... my debate team days kick in sometimes.

[Tzhebee]

I think what Erebus was trying to remind us... in his own witty way... is that the body is nothing more than a shell, so who cares what we do to it when there's no spirit to occupy it? It may seem harsh, but that's just the way some people feel.


I apologize for speaking for Erebus if I'm wrong... my debate team days kick in sometimes.
I think that is what Erebus was trying to say as well. But I think Pol's question is directed more toward the family members that survived...

If my 4 year old daughter was dead and in the ground how would I feel knowing someone was having sex with her body?

At least I think that is what is being asked.... :hmmmmm:

[Pol]

I think what Erebus was trying to remind us... in his own witty way... is that the body is nothing more than a shell, so who cares what we do to it when there's no spirit to occupy it? It may seem harsh, but that's just the way some people feel.


I apologize for speaking for Erebus if I'm wrong... my debate team days kick in sometimes.

Whether or why, it was not in reply to my actual comments. My comments were how we would feel if the corpse of someone dear to us was raped by a pervert.
It's not about our own 'shells.'
I couldn't care less what happens to my own, but if someone were to rape my grandmother's corpse when she dies, I would feel it deeply.

Erebus' comments were supposedly in reply to my own, and yet they never replied to my actual question or statement. He completely avoided the point.
So, why pretend to reply to my question at all, if not to actually do so?

[Pol]

I think that is what Erebus was trying to say as well. But I think Pol's question is directed more toward the family members that survived...

If my 4 year old daughter was dead and in the ground how would I feel knowing someone was having sex with her body?

At least I think that is what is being asked.... :hmmmmm:


Exactly.

[Koehnae]

I think that is what Erebus was trying to say as well. But I think Pol's question is directed more toward the family members that survived...

If my 4 year old daughter was dead and in the ground how would I feel knowing someone was having sex with her body?

At least I think that is what is being asked.... :hmmmmm:
That's what I assumed too... I just think Erebus was trying to point out that some people may not care what's being done to the body. I find that disturbing as well, but it proves that we all have very different opinions... especially on such touchy topics.

[Pol]

That's what I assumed too... I just think Erebus was trying to point out that some people may not care what's being done to the body. I find that disturbing as well, but it proves that we all have very different opinions... especially on such touchy topics.


Regardless, he failed to reply to my actual comments. :fpartyman

[Koehnae]

Whether or why, it was not in reply to my actual comments. My comments were how we would feel if the corpse of someone dear to us was raped by a pervert.
It's not about our own 'shells.'
I couldn't care less what happens to my own, but if someone were to rape my grandmother's corpse when she dies, I would feel it deeply.

Erebus' comments were supposedly in reply to my own, and yet they never replied to my actual question or statement. He completely avoided the point.
So, why pretend to reply to my question at all, if not to actually do so?
Actually, I believe he did answer you by saying the body is just a shell. Sounds to me like he doesn't care what's done to the shell... the person he knew is gone and doesn't care what's done to their body. Just my assumption from what was written.

[morrigen]

Earthwhispers, necrophilia has been around for as long as man, as has homosexuality (just a random one, nothing against them), prostetution and other such things which the government, and most of the society despise, the thing is, it's only recently, within the last 500 years or so we have come to look upon them as something wrong and disturbing.

We don't NEED the law there. We have it for our peace of mind, so we know 'good if someone does this to lucy, charly, erik whatever, they won't get away with it' It's not out of nescesity, if it were I'ld seriously reconsider my stand on americans, but as a safty blanket. Like when we were kids, we didn't need someone to check under the beds and in the wardrobes for monsters, but it did make us feel a damn site safer.

This is not history of the planet that the rest of us live on *shakes head*

Monk, you're in good company...there's a whole bunch of us nutters in here :D

[Pol]

Actually, I believe he did answer you by saying the body is just a shell. Sounds to me like he doesn't care what's done to the shell... the person he knew is gone and doesn't care what's done to their body. Just my assumption from what was written.

He commented that he would not care about his own body, as the four year old would not have cared about her own. He avoided my question.

[Terestai]

This gives all new meaning to "burying the evidence." :eek:

[Carickah]

This gives all new meaning to "burying the evidence." :eek:
or body of evidence ....:collapse: hmmmm, this means that the same corpse could serve as evidence for two seperate crimes....




k

[Boogins]

The forensic team would have nightmares.

[Carickah]

CSI:California Body of Evidence



k

[~ Monk ~]

Monk, you're in good company...there's a whole bunch of us nutters in here :D
9 out of every 10, I think. :crazyman:

[Deep]

My farvorite quote from Governor Conan: "I am a conservitive beace I am against communism"
We really need to stop electing movie stars, should of got that porn star insted. Now that would be a press conference! :bothsides

[djmixon]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=8&u=/nm/20040913/od_nm/crime_necrophilia_dc





SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Having sex with corpses is now officially illegal in California after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Arnold%0ASchwarzenegger%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw) - web sites (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=web-storylinks&p=Arnold%20Schwarzenegger)) signed a bill barring necrophilia, a spokeswoman said on Friday.



The new legislation marks the culmination of a two-year drive to outlaw necrophilia in the state and will help prosecutors who have been stymied by the lack of an official ban on the practice, according to experts.

"Nobody knows the full extent of the problem. ... But a handful of instances over the past decade is frequent enough to have a bill concerning it," said Tyler Ochoa, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law who has studied California cases involving allegations of necrophilia.


All I can say is EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. . . .people actually DO that????? It is time to crawl back onto the turnip truck!!!!

[Desdemona]

Whether or why, it was not in reply to my actual comments. My comments were how we would feel if the corpse of someone dear to us was raped by a pervert.
It's not about our own 'shells.'
I couldn't care less what happens to my own, but if someone were to rape my grandmother's corpse when she dies, I would feel it deeply.

Erebus' comments were supposedly in reply to my own, and yet they never replied to my actual question or statement. He completely avoided the point.
So, why pretend to reply to my question at all, if not to actually do so?I can't help but think of Troy... Achilles dragged the body of Hector, whom he killed, around the castle in front of the slain prince's parents... I'm sorry, I forget the exact names, I'm hoping you're able to follow me here. Anyway, by desacrating the corpse, he was doing damage to the living. It didn't matter to the corpse -- its dead.

Someone having sex with the dead body of a four year old girl would bother me very much. It is not an attack on her, because she isn't around to be affected by it one way or another. But it WOULD be an attack on me. This creep is disrespecting my family by doing that. So yes, laws should be in place to protect the families from people who do that sort of thing.

Having said that, I think people are making fun because necrophiliacs are, well... abby-normal. They deserve no respect at all, so I say, tease away people.

[Erebus]

Would you want some sick **** raping your daughter's corpse?

Yet AGAIN, because you seemed intent on ignoring it the first time:

Why would I care? My daughter's corpse is not my daughter. Neither is my mother's corpse my mother or my sister's corpse my sister. They're all just lumps of rotting meat. Cook 'em, eat 'em, screw 'em, reenact "Weekend at Bernie's" with 'em, turn 'em into giant marionettes in a circus show, use them as novelty throw rugs, I really don't give a crap.

She doesn't give a crap because she's dead and NOT HERE ANYMORE.
I don't give a crap because she's dead and NOT HERE ANYMORE.

Why is bonking a 4-year-old girl's corpse worse than bonking a 40-year-old man's corpse or a 20-year-old woman's corpse or a 7-year-old dog's corpse? They're all just as dead, just as incapable of consciousness or consent, and just as badly harmed by the act. You were going for pure Appeal to Emotion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion), and I categorically reject the claim that a lump of rotting meat that happens to be a bit smaller than a normal lump of rotting meat is any more harmed by the act of boinking it.

[Tullip Troll]

Just cause I saw it on tv and you know it applies...

Elephants have sex with thier dead (I believe though it was pretty freshly dead though, not rotting in the sun dead)

MheraPai

Please refrain from Bonking all and any corpse....

[Nighthawk]

I don't get it... Aside from joking..and I do find the jokes funny.. would it not be expected to be illegal?? How do they consent to having sex? There is no way.. I thought that any sex not consentual was illegal... perhaps I am crazy..oh well

[Erebus]

I don't get it... Aside from joking..and I do find the jokes funny.. would it not be expected to be illegal?? How do they consent to having sex? There is no way.. I thought that any sex not consentual was illegal... perhaps I am crazy..oh well

Does a vibrator consent?
I think only thing that are actuall alive have to consent, otherwise porn pictures and sex toys would be illegal.

[Pol]

Yet AGAIN, because you seemed intent on ignoring it the first time:

Why would I care? My daughter's corpse is not my daughter. Neither is my mother's corpse my mother or my sister's corpse my sister. They're all just lumps of rotting meat. Cook 'em, eat 'em, screw 'em, reenact "Weekend at Bernie's" with 'em, turn 'em into giant marionettes in a circus show, use them as novelty throw rugs, I really don't give a crap.

She doesn't give a crap because she's dead and NOT HERE ANYMORE.
I don't give a crap because she's dead and NOT HERE ANYMORE.

Why is bonking a 4-year-old girl's corpse worse than bonking a 40-year-old man's corpse or a 20-year-old woman's corpse or a 7-year-old dog's corpse? They're all just as dead, just as incapable of consciousness or consent, and just as badly harmed by the act. You were going for pure Appeal to Emotion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion), and I categorically reject the claim that a lump of rotting meat that happens to be a bit smaller than a normal lump of rotting meat is any more harmed by the act of boinking it.

Perhaps if you had made yourself more clear in your original post, we would not have arrived here.

I "Appeal to Emotion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion)" because humans are emotional people. Whether to you or not, a dead child is considered much different from a dead adult, most likely because of all they will miss out on.

Have you lost anyone close to you?

[Nighthawk]

Does a vibrator consent?
I think only thing that are actuall alive have to consent, otherwise porn pictures and sex toys would be illegal.Well, I kind of meant in the real life participating sort of way.. I do not consider a vibrator alive..nor a picture..I kind of meant.. well, you know...

[Calyx]

This thread is bound for Just Silly soon! :uhhuhuh:
That being said, vibrators don't have voices they can speak with. They just hum alot! :crazyman:

[Aes Sidhe]

Well then... that is just disgusting! How DARE they make legislation against someone's own sexual expression. (to be honest, I haven't read a post after the first one)

I would not have thought it was such a problem... but, then again... perhaps for some women it's the only "stiff" they ever get :lol:

[Carickah]

Hmmmm... does this mean that the Governator will soon be banning airplay of and videos of Tom Petty's "Mary Jane's Last Dance"?




k

[Mjollnir]

I wanna know now if the state will reimburse my non-refundable plane ticket seeing as now I have no reason to go......................

[Erebus]

I do not consider a vibrator alive

But you do consider a corpse to be alive?

[Erebus]

Whether to you or not, a dead child is considered much different from a dead adult, most likely because of all they will miss out on.

Only if you're going to insist on being as illogical as possible about it.

[djmixon]

Having said that, I think people are making fun because necrophiliacs are, well... abby-normal. They deserve no respect at all, so I say, tease away people.
I'm note teasing. . . I am SERIOUSLY disgusted. . .and I see it as just plain WRONG. . .to defile someone's corpse and memory. . .yuck. . .

[charmedkisses1]

:eek:


:awwman:

That's just wrong. I don't care if they're dead. It's like rape, to me.

[Pol]

But you do consider a corpse to be alive?

In many religions, burial rites treat a human body as if it still has meaning. Many people feel that the human body is a sort of leash for the soul, or that the way the human body is disposed of effects how the human fares in the afterlife. No matter ones own personal opinion of a corpse, it is how it affects those who knew the deceased and their personal beliefs of the afterlife and treatment of the corpse.
One could just as easily say that they believe rape of the living is okay because they believe life is just a dream in their mind.

[Pol]

Only if you're going to insist on being as illogical as possible about it.


In what way am I being illogical? Humans are, by and large, more affected by the death of a child than an adult.
If a child is killed, it's tragic. If an adult is killed, it's life.

[Nighthawk]

But you do consider a corpse to be alive?No, I guess I do not.... but it WAS alive... and a vibrator never was alive... this is just disturbing.. I am not sure where we are going with it, but I am done...

[Sleet]

But can a corpse smoke in a bar in California?


Eh?


Eh?


Gotcha on that one. ;)

[~ Monk ~]

In what way am I being illogical? Humans are, by and large, more affected by the death of a child than an adult.
If a child is killed, it's tragic. If an adult is killed, it's life.
True in some places, not true in others. There are cultures that value the life of an adult as much if not more than a child.

Hey, find humour in what this thread is about (a law, since that seems to have been lost on a few) or don't, it's up to you. I just think it's a tad bit of an overreaction to claim that anyone who can poke fun at it is also OK with it. *shrug*

[Pol]

True in some places, not true in others. There are cultures that value the life of an adult as much if not more than a child.

Hey, find humour in what this thread is about (a law, since that seems to have been lost on a few) or don't, it's up to you. I just think it's a tad bit of an overreaction to claim that anyone who can poke fun at it is also OK with it. *shrug*

True, there are cultures - but I do not consider America one of them.

[~ Monk ~]

True, there are cultures - but I do not consider America one of them.
Well, OK. It's just that the last time I checked America didn't have specificity on it one way or another.

I think a child's death can be tragic, absolutely - but I also think an adult's can be just as tragic. That adult could be a Mom or Dad, a best friend, a teacher. I don't feel that, just because they've lived awhile, an adult's death is somehow less poignent.

But I digress...

[Pol]

Well, OK. It's just that the last time I checked America didn't have specificity on it one way or another.

I think a child's death can be tragic, absolutely - but I also think an adult's can be just as tragic. That adult could be a Mom or Dad, a best friend, a teacher. I don't feel that, just because they've lived awhile, an adult's death is somehow less poignent.

But I digress...

I know and understand what you are saying - but look at it this way:
If a man goes into his office and murders everyone there, he's some guy that went loony. If a man goes into a daycare and kills everyone there, it's would get much higher news coverage and shrines with teddy bears out front.
It's not to say that the death of an adult is less poignant, only that the death of a child is much more striking and generally brings about more mourning than an adult.

[Erebus]

No, I guess I do not.... but it WAS alive... and a vibrator never was alive... this is just disturbing.. I am not sure where we are going with it, but I am done...

What about a sex toy made of wood?
And most vibrators are plastic... which is a petroleum product... and petroleum comes from the decay and compression of organic materials, which were at one point alive.

Is it just how long something has been dead that makes the difference? How long is long enough? In a way, a vibrator is just a thousand reconstituted million-odd-year-old corpses.

[Erebus]

In what way am I being illogical? Humans are, by and large, more affected by the death of a child than an adult.
If a child is killed, it's tragic. If an adult is killed, it's life.

Either life is sacred, or it isn't. There's nothing intrinsically more valuable about a child's life than an adult's, since the child is still, bluntly speaking, a parasite on the tribe, contributing nothing and taking resources. Those resources are expected to be a loan paid back later, but at the moment the child is worth substantially less to the tribe than a working, breeding, community-supporting adult.

[Aes Sidhe]

Well, on the death of a child Vs death of an adult... I think it all has to do with numbers. The death of one aldult in the west, is far more tragic to the media, and realistically to every day people, than the death of thousands of children in some 3rd world country.

But for some reason a child in the west is considered "less" than an adult, and so the death of a single child in the west is more "tragic". I'm sure there some pseudo-psycho-evolutionary reason about parental feelings or some other clap-trap, but I honestly think it just has to do entirely with media.

Kids are portrayed as innocent (and any parent can tell you they aren't) where as adults are "wise in the ways of the world."

Why do you think that it took the images of the little girl running naked away from her recently napalmed villiage to spark the "moral outrage" in the west in concerns of vietnam? Just like the arab TV networks show dismembered children, rather than blow up adults.

It is all about numbers. I think that the larger the combined age of the victims, the less of a tragedy we think it is.

"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a shame"

[greenwitch]

OH MY BOB!!! I hafta send this to my mother! SHE'S PLANNING ON MOVING TO CALIFORNIA! lol "well mom you dont have to worry about the necrofeliacs after you die anymore, the governor changed that one..." :P:D

[NivekDrgnMage]

Well you won't catch me dead in California...... :D

[Pol]

Either life is sacred, or it isn't. There's nothing intrinsically more valuable about a child's life than an adult's, since the child is still, bluntly speaking, a parasite on the tribe, contributing nothing and taking resources. Those resources are expected to be a loan paid back later, but at the moment the child is worth substantially less to the tribe than a working, breeding, community-supporting adult.

Regardless, the fact remains that the death of a child is taken as more tragic in American culture. How many men do you think die from hunting accidents or gun-related accidents?
Why, then, is it such a big deal when a child dies of the same sort of accident?
Because in America, (as was previously said) children are considered innocent. Sweet little babies who do no harm, why should they die?

I'm not talking about how sacred life is, I'm talking about how the world views the death of a child as opposed to the death of an adult.