Temple Reading

[Lilu]

This is a reading for any question regarding two individuals or two opposing points of view.

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Scarabs 1 and 2 represent the base of opinions or viewpoints. These are the essential backgrounds, and cannot be easily changed or modified. . Scarabs 3 and 4 show how the two individuals regard themselves. Scarabs 5 and 6 show how the two individuals regard each other. Scarabs 7 and 8 represent the attitudes now coming into play. Scarabs 9 and 10 represent what each individual or side is likely to do in relation to the other. Scarab 11 represents the outcome of these actions. Scarabs 12 and 13, forming the gateway, indicate whether the two sides will ultimately be in harmony or in opposition.

[Lilu]

Originally posted by LadyAutumnCat
My question is about love, I have a crush on someone I work with now, and I was wondering if he and I were going to start a relationship soon or is love just not meant to be for me right now

Scarab 1. Crook & Flail of Osiris - Generally positive for love and committed relationships. However it may indicate a time of separation. Career issues may take precedence over romance or family, which may damage or change relationships. Can represent men in general, husbands, mates, male politicians.

Scarab 2. Feather of Maat - Right relationships in accord with cosmic law. Clear-heartedness toward partners. Clarification of feelings. Will generally not represent a human individual.

Scarab 3. Throne of Isis - Generally denotes the blessing of the goddess. If unattached, look for her assistance in matters of love, as she can be an effective matchmaker. Strong women, wives, mothers, women politicians, leaders etc.

Scarab 4. Heqet the Frog - Happiness. Active emotions and sexuality. Sudden positive change.

Scarab 5. Khepera - Benevolent for existing relationships. Not a particularly good sign for beginning new alliances.

Scarab 6. Solar Barque of Ra - Neutral on the subject of love. Outcome is in the hands of the questioner - nothing is resolved yet.

Scarab 7. Set - Unhappy or abusive relationships and harsh sexuality untamed by love. One-night stands and exploitative sexual relationships. Sudden, strong sexual urges. Chronic attraction to 'bad boys' or 'wild women'.

Scarab 8. Wadjet the Cobra - Love at first sight. Abrupt, quick relationships. Romances that may not last, but may bring initiation in various forms. Learning experiences.

Scarab 9. Shen - Any romantic situation, good or bad, will continue unless a conscious decision is made to change it, and then implemented.

Scarab 10. Temple - Relationships that have a sacred dimension, which may or may not be sexual/romantic. Divine union and sometimes marriage.

Scarab 11. Nile - Lasting love flowing easily between the partners. Can also mean necessary travel in connection with a relationship.

Scarab 12. Nephthys - Illicit love or sacred passion that breaks convential bounds. Exploration of sacred sexuality.

Scarab 13. Incense Bowl - Avoid selfishness, focus on giving in order to receive.

.......

Wow. This was a lot more clearer than I thought it was going to be when I pulled all these scarabs!!! OK. I have decided that you are the left column based on your question and so on (it isn't set which is which when you do the reading). OK> So let's look at you first. For clarity's sake, I will refer to the guy at work as "Crush" so you know when I'm talking about him.

1. Base of opinions or viewpoints - Crook and Flail of Osiris - You have a positive opinion when it comes to relationships, and hope to find a good one to be in. Career also plays a big part in your life though, and this may interfere from time to time with relationships either romantic or not.

3. How you regard yourself - Throne of Isis - You regard yourself as blessed by the Divine. You consider yourself a strong, independent woman and trust yourself. You also have faith that the Universe will guide you when you need guidance.

5. How you regard the "Crush" - Khepera - You are afraid of approaching him in case he rejects you, and you are not certain how things will work out if he does say yes, yet you are interested. You are hoping that if things got started it would lead to a good relationship.

7. Attitude coming into play - Set - Strong, sudden sexual urges. You want this guy!!! Yet perhaps you are scared that it would end in a bad way, or you are afraid of repeating past relationships that ended in a negative way. You want to get with "Crush" but you are also scared of what that might lead to.

9. What you are likely to do with regard to him - Shen - You have to make a decision. You will have to be the one to make the first move. Shen indicates that the situation as it is now will continue until you change it. You will have to make the decision to approach "Crush".

OK Now we'll look at "Crush".

2. Base of opinions or viewpoints - Feather of Maat - He has a positive approach to relationships and is clear in what he wants from a relationship, and knows his feelings and emotions. Someone who is positive in their position.

4. How he regards himself - Heqet the Frog - A happy individual who is content with his place in life. He has active emotions and sexuality. And could be a spontaneous person when it comes to action.

6. How he regards you - Solar Barque of Ra - Neutral on the subject of love. He is leaving it in your hands, you will have to make the first move, but he probably likes you as a person, but hasn't really thought of anything 'further' yet.

8. Attitudes coming into play - Wadjet the Cobra - New experiences, love, a romance that may not last but could bring some learning experiences, and such. I would think that maybe it's starting to become clear to him that you might be interested in him, and he is entertaining the idea. He might not consider that it would last, but he would be willing to give it a try.

10. What he is likely to do in relation to you - The Temple - See 8. I think he would be interested in trying, but isn't sure how it would come out. Possibly a romantic/sexual relationship.


11. Outcome of these Actions - The Nile - Very positive!!! The Nile is all about lasting love between partners. Emotions of course come into play being that the Nile is a river, and water is often connected to emotions. I would think that the results between you both would exceed both your expectations.

12 and 13 - Whether you will both be in ultimate harmony or opposition - Nephthys and the Incense Bowl - These two would work well together if you take into consideration that you both may have different ideas about romance/relationships. I see a very intense love that is very unique and strong with lots of sexual ties, as well as a deep emotions. I see him as someone who is very giving and that you are very sexual. Be careful not to take take take, and remember to give back.


So, interpretation? Everything is in place for you to make a move and get positive results. You will need to decide what you want to do about this crush, and be the one to make the first move. If you do, I see a good relationship coming out of it, but you may be very different individuals and will have to work on keeping each others needs in mind and maintaining a good balance.

Hope this helps!
Lilu

[LadyAutumnCat]

Lilu!!! MY GOSH, could that have been ANY clearer!!!! Holy cat whiskers!!!

You got me perfectly, on how I feel about "CRUSH" and how I am so afraid of saying anything because I am afraid of being rejected. You just nailed everything.

You also said he hasn't really thought of me that way or may be starting to, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm so lost due to my ex, we were together for almost 6 years, that any moves or intentions "CRUSH" may have been making, I have been pushing them away!!

I don't know what to do, I don't think I have the guts to say anything to him right now, well he's going to be gone for a while, he went away, so that will give me plenty of time to contemplate what to do, won't it.

THANKS SO MUCH!!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!

[Lilu]

Leia, here is the reading I got for you.

Scarabs 1 and 2 represent the base of opinions or viewpoints. These are the essential backgrounds, and cannot be easily changed or modified. . Scarabs 3 and 4 show how the two individuals regard themselves. Scarabs 5 and 6 show how the two individuals regard each other. Scarabs 7 and 8 represent the attitudes now coming into play. Scarabs 9 and 10 represent what each individual or side is likely to do in relation to the other. Scarab 11 represents the outcome of these actions. Scarabs 12 and 13, forming the gateway, indicate whether the two sides will ultimately be in harmony or in opposition.

PERSON ONE (you)

Scarab 1 - Base of Opinions - Temple - Relationships that have a sacred dimension, which may or may not be sexual/romantic. Divine union and sometimes marriage.

Scarab 3 - How Individual Regards Self - The Sphinx - Lovers that have been involved before, and may be working out a destiny between the two of them. Secrets from the past may influence relationships. Generally, the Sphinx in love readings indicates steady and enduring relationships.

Scarab 5 - How Individual Regards Other - Nile - Lasting love flowing easily between the partners. It can mean necessary travel in connection with a relationship, either for a visit or on a vacation.

Scarab 7 - Attitude Now Coming into Play - Serqet the Scorpion - Sudden change, strong sexual relationships, and disruptions from a new person affecting existing relationships.

Scarab 9 - What Individual is likely to do in relation to other - The Lotus - Rough or dark beginnings followed by positive outcomes and long-term happiness. Suggests that individuals can overcome their problems and succeed in blossoming in the light.

Interpretation

I am having trouble deciding which "side" is representative of you. I think it's Person #1 so I will read it in reference to you, but if it doesn't make sense then the other side may represent you.

Base of Opinions. You see relationships as sacred and special, something that is very important to you and need not be sexual or romantic to be special. With regard to self, you find yourself in a relationship that is very familiar right now, almost like you have "been together" before in a past life even. The relationship is comfortable and familiar anyway, and very steady and enduring. You see yourself with the other person for a very long time, perhaps they are "the one"? At the moment however, there has been a big change, with the Scorpion in the reading I'd almost hazard a guess that it's turned sexual, or perhaps the relationship has turned to sex being more important that anything else. There may also be someone else interfering in the relationship, maybe even an affair? You best action is to be upfront and open with your partner, things might get a little rocky for a while, but if you are both willing to work at things, then you have the ability and the love to overcome your problems and reach a new level of the relationship.

PERSON TWO

Scarab 2 - Base of Opinions - The Pyramids - Relationships that build slowly., and long-term unions. It can also indicate the reappearance of people from the past, sometimes apparently from other lives, and enduring partnerships.

Scarab 4 - How Individual views Self - Tahuti - Look to friends to bring together individuals or offer counsel on existing relationships. If there are relationship problems, seek the help of others to act as mediators. Can also indicate platonic friendships.

Scarab 6 - How Individual Views Other - Ushabti - Undue dependency on another, or exploitation of someone less experienced in matters of the heart. It can also mean outside helpers, good or bad, involved in a relationship.

Scarab 8 - Attitude coming into play - Throne of Isis - Blessing of the Goddess. If unattached, look for her assistance in matters of love, as she can be an affective matchmaker.

Scarab 10 - Action in relation to other - Bast - Excellent for short-term or relatively uncommitted relationships. Problematic for long-term and committed relationships due to lack of permanent commitment from one or both partners.

Interpretation

The person involved believes in steady relationships that build over time, and is in for the long-haul when coming across the right person. This person considers themselves a friend to everyone and likes to help out when there is troubles between friends, offering advice and counsel. They may have many platonic friendships, and they are very comfortable with people of the other sex. This person might be thinking that you are too dependent right now, and rather than hurt your feelings, they are seeking advice from people outside of the relationship to decide what to do. They are starting to trust that Divine will show them the way in this relationship, but if involved in a long-term relationship this person might be rethinking things, and wondering if it's going to work out, this could be causing them to draw away as they try to work things out for themselves.

FINAL OUTCOME

Scarab 11 - Outcome of these actions - The Palm Tree - Standing alone, the Palm Tree brings a period of solitude. In an existing relationship, it can show the need to retreat from the world with your loved one.

If you are both having trouble with the relationship, it might call for some time alone together to work things through, discuss the situation, and be open and honest with each other about your expectations from each other. If you both want to work it out, go somewhere alone so that no one is interfering with your communication. It could represent also a time of solitude apart to sort out what you want for yourself before confronting your partner.

Scarab 12 - Nephthys - Illicit love or sacred passion that breaks conventional bounds. Exploration of sacred sexuality.

Scarab 13 - Feather of Maat - Right relationships in accord with cosmic law. Clear-heartedness toward partners. Clarification of feelings.

This is a tricky situation. These two Goddesses (Nephthys and Maat) represent very different things. In one hand you have Nephthys whose motives are not always clear or honest, and she can represent unhappiness in relationships also, and in the other hand we have Maat who is divine justice and righteousness. She is all about pure motives and doing right by others. Together these two can represent conflict because Maat will constantly remind Nephthys of her motives and point out where work needs to be done to bring about purity and happiness.

It could represent that at this time, you and the other person involved are not ready to be together, you both have some growing to do, some maturing, and a balance to reach. However, if you can be truly honest with yourself and work through the shortcomings of the situation, there is a chance for a good relationship. It's time to work with yourself, find yourself and who you are OUTSIDE of this relationship - the scarabs seem to be indicating that this current relationship may go back several lifetimes, so you are also having to work through past feelings/emotions/karma of your past lives too, and this might be causing troubles in this life. This situation seems to be calling for a time of separation and personal growth.

Hope this is interesting,
Lilu

[Silver Venus]

I love new spreads! Thanks so much Lilu, Ill try these with my runes later and let you know how I got on :D

[Lilu]

Hi LAC,
This is the reading I got in regard to your questions about your ex. It's got a lot of different messages in there, but I really feel it's time for you to take some time just being alone and finding the real you.
BB
Lilu

Person #1 (you)

1. Base of opinions or viewpoints - Horus - Attractiveness to the opposite sex. Satisfying relationships.

3. How you regard yourself - Ankh - Sacred Unions, possibly resulting in pregnancy.

5. How you regard the Ex - Khepera - Benevolent for existing relationships. Not a particularly good sign for beginnings new alliances.

7. Attitude coming into play - Crook & Flail of Osiris - Generally positive for love and committed relationships. However, it may indicate a time of separation. Career issues may take precedence over romance or family, which may damage or change relationships.

9. Action coming into play - Seshat - Express your emotions through letters and writing. Ask and answer questions to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

Interpretation:

You are yearning for a relationship that will fill your loneliness - that much is obvious in what you have told me - especially with regard to wanting to get back with your ex. You had a satisfying relationship, and mourn the end of it - it's possible that you have been in a relationship that you have forgotten how to function outside of one - and that now is the time for you to learn how to do that. With regard to your ex, you are going to have to be the one to make the move in reconciliation - and you are afraid to do this because you are scared to be rejected, but it won't get you anywhere to not make the move. There will probably be a period of separation regardless, as both of you have some learning to do and it's possible that there are other priorities that take precedence over this relationship. It's time to write that letter to your ex and express your feelings honestly and openly to him. If you have questions ask them, and answer his honestly if he has any.

Person #2 (the ex)

2. Base of opinions or viewpoints - The Temple - Relationships that have a sacred dimension, which may or may not be sexual/romantic. Divine union and sometimes marriage.

4. How he regards himself - Ushabti - Undue dependency on another, or exploitation of someone less experienced in matters of the heart. It can also mean outside helpers, good or bad, involved in a relationship.

6. How he regards you - Bast - Excellent for short-term, relatively uncommitted relationships and problematic for long-term and committed relationships due to lack of permanent commitment for one or both partners.

8. Attitudes coming into play - Shen - Any romantic situation, good or bad, will continue unless a conscious decision is made to change it, and then implemented.

10. Action Coming Into Play - Heqet - Happiness. Active emotions and sexuality. Sudden positive change.

Interpretation

It could be that your ex is feeling smothered in the relationship - or like he's lost his independence. Maybe he's had a taste of being alone and independent for a small moment, and now he is realising that he is feeling dependent on you, your relationship, and all that is involved - maybe he too has forgotten what it's like to be outside of a relationship and how to function as an individual rather than as a couple. He may not be completely committed to the relationship, which is why he called it off - as Bast often speaks of problems with long-term relationships due to commitment problems. This situation is going to continue until he makes a conscious choice to change - and this may not come about quickly. He is going through change at the moment, and is coming into an attitude of being happy with himself.

Final Outcome

11. Outcome of these Actions - Nephthys - Illicit love or sacred passion that breaks conventional bounds. Exploration of sacred sexuality.

12 and 13 - Whether you will both be in ultimate harmony or opposition - Tahuti & The Sphinx - Tahuti and the Sphinx are both magickal beings - Tahuti being the scribe and master magician, and the Sphinx is keeper of knowledge and wisdom. In relation to love - it can speak for a love that has existed for a long time - possibly in a past life even - but which will need work to overcome many obstacles. It may be necessary to involve a third person to act as a mediator - either an unbiased friend or a therapist perhaps.

Overall view:

I feel that you both have a connection - but that connection might not be enough. It seems as if your ex is working through a lot of issues right now, and is focused on himself. Nephthys is an interesting outcome, she was married to Set - unhappily - and desired Osiris who was married to her sister. So it could be a message that you are desiring something (your ex) that you can't have right now - that he is focused on another, and in this case it seems like his focus might be himself and his own growth - and even if you were to get back together it would result in unhappiness right now. You could possibly make the effort to get back with him through writing a letter, or email, to express your emotions clearly - but he might not be forthcoming. It seems to me that you might be better off seeking closure on the break up and to express your feelings and emotions, and ask any questions you have of him in the process. Then move into mourning the end of the relationship and moving on - because while I see that there are feelings there on both sides, the timing seems to be very off. :( If he is willing to have another go at it - I would recommend some sort of therapy almost - there seems to be a lot of issues deep down that could be causing problems on the surface. I really get the impression that you both have a bit of growing up to do - that can only be done outside of a relationship - and that once that growth has been achieved, then you will both be more equipped to re-enter a relationship together, or move on to a new relationship.

I know it isn't the message that you wanted to hear, but keep the faith! Something good is going to come along, you just have to take heart and hang in there. *hugs* Things have their way of working out for the best in the long run.

Lilu

[Lilu]

Hi Silver Venus!

How did you find the spread? Did you have a go at it?

Lilu

[Silver Venus]

I did forget before but Ive just done the spread now ~ I think I was supposed to do this today tooo!! How did you know? ;)

Thanks! It did bring up very valid cards and has given me even more to think about"!"!"
This is what i got (briefly)
1,3,7,9 side was a guy I know ~ I got
1) The Emperor ~ Very male! But also I got this card yesterday on the decision spread I did ~ We are in some way meant to meet on this earth in this life time.. Its long and wierd story but lots of spoooky things have been happening! We also share the same birthday :crazy:
3) The Star ~ Pure, honest, lucky very open and loving and maybe a bit up himself because it is such a happy optimistic card.. this is my favourite card too!
5) 9 of Pentacles ~ Hmm me! Very safe and secure, very homely and reserved in a way ~ Im playing it safe!
7) Queen of Pentacles ~ This is my card! ~ Liking me more maybe!
9) Seven of Pentacles ~ He's thinking allot more about everything.. funny how these are all pentacles ~ Very capricorn cards!
all are really good positive cards too! :)

and the other side was me
2) The Wheel ~ Changing allot at the moment and thinking about change!
4) The Empress ~ The woman, mother, loving, caring, protecting, nuturing ~ I often choose this card to symbolise me!
6) The Chariot ~ A ride! Not really quite sure which direction to go. Whether to go ahead and see what happens or not. Also for him ~ Very driven and ambitious, knowledgable and direct, balanced but also unbalanced.
8) Knight of Wands ~ ick! Just got this when i did a quick one asking the cards what he thought about me! Passion and desire!
10) The Sun ~ Happiness, Joy, basking in the sunlight.

11) Seven of Swords ~ How Im feeling now!! Confused!! But this is a sneaky card so it could stand for ~ if I actually decide to act on my thoughts ~ I may be unfaithful and sneaky... ICK!!! A warning a think!!

12) Two of Cups ~ Harmony, balance and together as two ~ a very couple card!
13) Page of swords ~ Allot of talk! Having to work allot out and may evolve allot of effort!
Ick! But I already knew that... ;) Thats why Im thinking about him so much... Help!

[Lilu]

Scarabs 1 and 2 represent the base of opinions or viewpoints. These are the essential backgrounds, and cannot be easily changed or modified. . Scarabs 3 and 4 show how the two individuals regard themselves. Scarabs 5 and 6 show how the two individuals regard each other. Scarabs 7 and 8 represent the attitudes now coming into play. Scarabs 9 and 10 represent what each individual or side is likely to do in relation to the other. Scarab 11 represents the outcome of these actions. Scarabs 12 and 13, forming the gateway, indicate whether the two sides will ultimately be in harmony or in opposition.

Person #1

Scarab 1 - Base of Opinion - Palm Tree - Standing alone. A period of solitude. Retreat from the world with your loved one.

Scarab 3 - Regard to Self - Min - May indicate that an attraction is primarily sexual rather than emotional. Quick, intense involvements.

Scarab 5 - Regard to Other - Incense Bowl - As an offering item, this scarab advises to avoid selfishness and to focus on giving in order to receive.

Scarab 7 - Attitude Coming Into Play - Shen - Any romantic situation, good or bad, will continue unless a conscious decision is made to change it, and then implemented.

Scarab 9 - Action - Starry Sky of Nut - Fated relationships. Past-life connections resurface in this life, though they may be temporary.

Interpretation: You

It seems as if you have been feeling a bit alone lately, like maybe you have been shouldering a lot of the burdens? Are you going through a rather sexual time at the moment? Maybe feeling that you are not connecting on an emotional level with your wife, or like things are being denied you? In regard to her, I see you trying to make things as smooth as possible (Incense Bowl = offerings) and your attention has been focused on her needs.As for things coming into play - Shen often represents - as said above - a situation continuing pretty much in the way it is unless a decision is made to change. So if you are not happy with the current situation, then you might have to confront it and if you are happy, then keep on doing what you are doing. Starry Sky of Nut seems to be saying that feelings are there for a happy relationship, so it's a positive scarab.

Person #2

Scarab 2 - Base of Opinion - Throne of Isis - Generally denotes the blessing of the Goddess. Can represent strong women, wives, mothers, women politicians, leaders and healers.

Scarab 4 - Regard to Self - Heqet the Frog - Happiness. Active emotions and sexuality. Sudden positive change.

Scarab 6 - Regard to Other - Tahuti - Look to others to act as mediators or advisors.

Scarab 8 - Attitude Coming Into Play - Crook & Flail of Osiris - Generally positive for love and committed relationships. However, may indicate a period of separation.

Scarab 10 - Action - Sistrum of Hathor - Passionate romances. Joy. Sacred sexuality and spiritual enlightenment through love.

Interpretation - Wife

The throne of Isis seems to represent your wife as a mother, woman and... wife :) She sees herself as a happy person who has many emotions and is a sexual person, she may also like change and be a spontaneous person. With regard to you, she may be looking to you for answers, or sees you looking to others for answers, I'm not sure on this one. Is she looking for a period of separation? A change? A break from the relationship? Crook & Flail seems to be saying that though she is in love with you and has a positive outlook for your relationship - she might be desiring a break. I see the two of your renewing your relationship and finding some happiness.

Outcome

Scarab 11 - Result of Actions - Sobek the Crocodile - Can indicate love with an individual you have never before noticed suddenly emerging into your consciousness, like a crocodile rising from the water.

Scarab 12 - Sphinx - Lovers that have been involved before, may be working out a destiny between the two of them. Steady and enduring relationships.

Scarab 13 - Ushabti - Undue dependency on another.

The final results seem to indicate that the two of you are going to get a chance to REALLY talk things out and experience new emotions and new feelings for each other that you haven't really experienced before. The Sphinx talks about a steady and enduring relationship, but beware of being too dependent on one another - this might be especially in regard to your wife, but I'm not sure as I am thinking about that scarab back up where it says she might look to you for answers a little too much. So I'm seeing positive results, but it may take a bit of work still :)

Hope this helps!

BB
Lilu