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ArKane
September 19th, 2004, 05:14 AM
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rain_fallen_tears
September 19th, 2004, 05:31 AM
Are these your words? Or the words stripped from a site generaly created to bring upset, but ends up on here and made fun of. Curiousity strikes...yes, I do understand annoyance and upset at the large ratio of pregnant teens who have child after child with no real interest in being a mother....

Nephthys
September 19th, 2004, 05:39 AM
I don't think very highly of teen pregnancy either. I think it's very irresponsible and that they should have known better. But everything that you're suggesting goes a little too far for me. It is your view that teen-mothers deserve to die, but other people have other views on the subject and other people might dislike childless people. Should they go about proclaming we should annihilate all childless people?

Garden of Eden
September 19th, 2004, 05:40 AM
A friend of mine (16) recently gave birth to a little girl. The baby was an accident, but if you'd asked me two years ago when she was 14, I'd have informed you that it was inevitable.

I am 15 now, 16 in six months time. Eventually I hope to become a doctor, specialising in psyciatry, and I'd say having a baby could make that a fair bit harder. Therefore, with me, there will be no accidents ;)

Sadb
September 19th, 2004, 06:09 AM
My 22-year-old cousin had her first child at 16. She is now the proud welfare mother of four brats with trendy names and Medicaid. I doubt she will ever stop. She has no reason to use birth control. She has no hope or future. She never finished high school. She has a low-paying job at Sunshine Market. Bearing children is the only thing she is capable of doing well.



I can not tell you how many of my friends mothers fit this description . I'am all for abortions , if the mothers life is miserable so will the childs be .
I have one old friend whos mother and farther had him very early in their life , they also did various drugs during his childhood . He used to swear he would never grow up to be like them , where is he now ? He's twenty years old , lives in his car and occasionly comes around selling bootleg DVDs for his "habits" . My opinion is he never saw any other way of life and there for did what he knew best . And thats how it is for thousands of other children out there . Thats why when I hear about pro-lifers going to the extreme all I say is this ... Ok how about we take you little angle that you read bed time stories to every night and make sure she is tucked in and give her to one of these mothers trying to get an abortions , have them being sceamed at every waking minute , told they arent wanted and was just an accident , beaten and punished just because mommy or daddy isnt in a good mood , do you think your child would be thankfull to you for putting them in that situation , well thats what people are doing when they try to stop abortions .
I know what I said might seem harsh but that kids life would be even more so . Sorry if I offended anyone but I have just seen so many lives wasted just because a teenager girl thought she was ready .

Mouse
September 19th, 2004, 06:33 AM
Alright, the human population in general pisses me off and i'm usually the first to support anyway to kill of a heap of people and all (seeming we're gonna eventually blow each other to peaces anyway) but your post is a tad extreeme.

What is wrong with being on centerlink? Not everyone has it easy from the outset. I'm on centerlink (but i'm not a teen mum) trying desperatly to get off it. Mum raised both my sister and i on welfare untill i (the youngest) turned 16. (she then, after doing her primary job as a mother, got off her ass and back into the work force). It isn't easy to rasie children on welfare and all though you might think it is bludgeing it doesnt mean that it is.

It isn't just young mothers who worry about what their bodies will look like after they have kids... "and Women taking fertility drugs will be Phase Two"?! WTF? has it ever occured to you that it isn't easy for some people to fall pregnent, that some struggle for years to have only one child? have you gone through it? Having children is part of our basic survival instincts, or hadn't you realised that? I'll fill you in seeming you apear to have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. It isn't uncommon for men who can not get an erection to kill themselves, and barren women also gravitate toward the same option (not that you would care seeming you're into population reduction) those who don't kill themselves have mental breakdowns. The inability to produce children breaks apart many otherwise happy couples...

The school system does not tell us that we know best, yes they try and boost our confidence but what your dribbling here is absolute shit. Not all teens think they can do no wrong, and not all adults believe they are capeable of fault either.

"that's why Marduk invented abortion and little accidents, such as falling down stairs. " Personally im against abortion (exept maybe in cases of rape), but even if i weren't i'd still be telling you that abortion is not a form of birth control and that it can harm women badly enough for them to never carry a child again, of course that is probly what you want tho isn't it?

Not all people on welfare are bludgeing. You have to start somewhere!

So by your standards only people over the age of 19 who have gone through school completely and gotten well paid jobs, and who don't take fertility drugs, have the right to have children? Maybe you are right. or even better maybe everyone should kill off all pregnant women/girls and provent narrow minded people such as yourself being born?
I apologise if this offends anyone, as that is not my intention.

~ Miriam

Mindflayer
September 19th, 2004, 06:34 AM
ooooooo boy, don't let FGM see this :jawdrop:

morrigen
September 19th, 2004, 06:51 AM
Right. If you are going to post another person's work it is imperative that you give them proper credit. Without refernce, this is called plagerism.

That aside, this article deliberately presents skewed and biased (mis) information, dodgy statistics and inflamatory opinion. A 4th grader could tear it to shreds in *minutes*.

If I remember correctly, the poster of this peice of derogatory nonsense is little more than a teen herself...which is just fine and dandy, but I would suggest a little more actual *life experience* under one's belt before one begins to spout spoon-fed nonsense such as this without the educational experience to back it up.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and all that.

Me personally, had I the desire to arbitrarily administer lethal injections to those I consider a waste of oxygen...well, I think I'd take out the non-compassionate first.

Absolutely disgusting.

~BEBZ~
September 19th, 2004, 06:53 AM
Well I didn't much care for the kiddie porn piece but this one's right on! Although I would say mass murder of all the little coochies is a bit extreme. I say make birth control mandatory for all girls from the time they hit puberty. And if you want to get cheeky and try to skirt it, BAMB! You get your tubes tied! I'm sick of trying to tell these stupid little nits that they are not only ruining their lives but the lives of others!

I must add that I started fooling around at a young age, but I was smart enough not to get knocked up at 12, 13, or 14. And the sick pathetic thing is a lot of these young girls want to get pregnant! _tsk_ :geez: :smash:

Amadore
September 19th, 2004, 06:55 AM
A friend of mine (16) recently gave birth to a little girl. The baby was an accident, but if you'd asked me two years ago when she was 14, I'd have informed you that it was inevitable.

I am 15 now, 16 in six months time. Eventually I hope to become a doctor, specialising in psyciatry, and I'd say having a baby could make that a fair bit harder. Therefore, with me, there will be no accidents ;)

See, the reason why you'll be extra careful is because you have a goal in life. I bet you anything that the teen-mothers never really had a true goal. I bet that not many people believed in them, thus, nobody gave them a shot at a decent job or special education. I think that these teenagers think that since they have nothing to live for, a baby would be a good idea since it would keep them busy and such. If they had a decent job though or a hobby that they took seriously, they would probably be even more careful about sex. I don't know if I'm making sense, but if I am, here's my $0.02

morrigen
September 19th, 2004, 08:04 AM
Well I didn't much care for the kiddie porn piece but this one's right on! Although I would say mass murder of all the little coochies is a bit extreme. I say make birth control mandatory for all girls from the time they hit puberty. And if you want to get cheeky and try to skirt it, BAMB! You get your tubes tied! I'm sick of trying to tell these stupid little nits that they are not only ruining their lives but the lives of others!

I must add that I started fooling around at a young age, but I was smart enough not to get knocked up at 12, 13, or 14. And the sick pathetic thing is a lot of these young girls want to get pregnant! _tsk_ :geez: :smash:

Do you really want to live in a society that forcibly administers medication to it's members, then performs surgical procedure by force upon them if they don't comply? Really?

Maybe looking at better sex education in schools, encouragement for kids from lower socio-economic backgrounds to try to better their lives would make more of an impact than arbitrarily resorting to state-sanctioned violations of basic human rights.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 08:09 AM
i was a teen mom. i graduated high school early, about 4 months after i turned 17, i've got two degrees... about to start a third, i am not on welfare.... i was running my own restuarant by age 20 and making about $50k a year doing it......and i would put my life up with anyone elses and bet that mines just a quality as yours.


generalizing is bad for your image. get over it.

edited to add:
i have four children, and i'm married, as most of you know. anyway, not every teen mother turns out like the rest. k?

Ceres
September 19th, 2004, 08:37 AM
amadore, i think u make great sense! its the teens who feel life doesnt have much in store for them, who have no goal, who are frustrated with a system in which the deck is stacked against them to begin with who have " accidents". things rarely have easy clear solutions.
Theresa

~BEBZ~
September 19th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Do you really want to live in a society that forcibly administers medication to it's members, then performs surgical procedure by force upon them if they don't comply? Really?

Maybe looking at better sex education in schools, encouragement for kids from lower socio-economic backgrounds to try to better their lives would make more of an impact than arbitrarily resorting to state-sanctioned violations of basic human rights.

In this case, YES I do! There is a point when "rights" overrun the basic human rights of others. My children have the right to grow up. My children have the right to clean air and an adequate food supply. Something must be done about the population boom! And this is a good place to start. Overpopulation is the #1 threat to the world today. It is not fair that my two children will have to compete for resources because some family decided to breed like rabbits and have 15 children. A line has to be drawn somewhere. We don't let kids vote, we don't let them drive or drink, but we can't seem to keep them from fornicating. So why not at least keep them from having children. Birth control is not going to hurt them. Our society forces children to be vaccinated for diseases, that's all it would be, a vaccination against the disease of teen pregnancy.

And LadyLeo...can you really say that having a child at that age was the best for you? That it was planned, and your life went about just as smoothly as it did before? I applaud you for your accomplishments, don't get me wrong. But is it something that you would recommend to all 17 year old girls? You are an anomaly. Truth is for most, things just don't end up as well.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 09:45 AM
And LadyLeo...can you really say that having a child at that age was the best for you? That it was planned, and your life went about just as smoothly as it did before? I applaud you for your accomplishments, don't get me wrong. But is it something that you would recommend to all 17 year old girls? You are an anomaly. Truth is for most, things just don't end up as well.the point wasn't that things always end up that well. i'm not stupid enough to think that. no, they weren't planned.. i didn't even want kids! my underlying point was that the problem isn't the children being born, the problem is that the parents don't *normally* step up to the plate and make a life for said children, like i did. i wouldn't advocate forced birth control. nope. never. what i would advocate is some kind of program to make those young women care for their children, and to make those young men who leave probably well over 80% of the time (that was just a guess), help at least financially so that the mother can achieve things. all throughout history people had children as teenagers, it used to be 'the norm', and they were just fine. it's the fact that children today ( yes, this is a generalization, and yes, i do know it's not true 100% of the time) do not feel that they have to take responsibility for themselves because they KNOW mom and dad, society, and the government will do it for them. the answer is making them better parents, not forcing pills down there throats or shots in their butts.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 09:54 AM
See, the reason why you'll be extra careful is because you have a goal in life. I bet you anything that the teen-mothers never really had a true goal. what?!?! just because a teen girl gets pregnant DOES NOT mean she has no goals! do you guys actually believe all the teen mothers WANT to get pregnant and be on welfare. do you think they WANT all the adults in the grocery store to give them 'the look' when they are standing there, a child themselves, using whatever the government gives them to purchase food for the child they are struggling to care for?! cuz you know, i was there once, and i didn't like it one bit. granted, there are some who are content with that, but not many. i quickly pulled myself out of it... and i mean FAST. i suffered for my son that i had way too young. but you know what? it was worth it, i'm glad i did it. and i feel genuinely sorry for those of you who do not understand that.

Infinite Muse
September 19th, 2004, 10:51 AM
wow this is very inflammatory topic isn't it?
some teen mothers want to get pregnant, some don't
some teen mothers are wonderful mums, some aren't
some teen mothers are born to be mothers at a young age (its what they were born to be & do and what makes them most happiest), some not so much
its not really right (to me) to lump all people under the same banner. everyone is different
i know people who got pregnant when they were a teen and are still with that person years and years later and still happy with their children and happy with their life in general, even if they are only making minimum wage at wherever, it doesn't matter because they are happy
i know people that are totally miserable over the same thing
i know people who have aborted a child when they were a teen and thought it was the worst mistake of their lives, and people who thought it was the best decision for them at the time
and i know people who have aborted later in life and thought the same thing; that it was the worst decision and some who think it was the best decision
and i know people who didn't have children til later in life and who regret ever having the child
its all the fabric of our lives. everyone has their own path to follow, their own obstacles, and their own bliss.

Shanti
September 19th, 2004, 10:54 AM
Lets lump all teen moms together and get rid of them and their kids too...:geez:

samiaminsane
September 19th, 2004, 11:17 AM
There are always exceptions, Lady Leo is a shining one, so is FGM (who hasn't been on because she's RAISING HER CHILDREN). Maybe instead of forcing birth control pills down teen's throats, we should be trying to find out what caused this hike in teen pregnancies in the first place and rectifying it.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Lets lump all teen moms together and get rid of them and their kids too...:geez:i'm guessing that was sarcasm, because it's totally out of character for you to say something like that.

Shanti
September 19th, 2004, 12:05 PM
i'm guessing that was sarcasm, because it's totally out of character for you to say something like that.
Most deffinately!! Hense the smiley( :goodgrief )

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 12:12 PM
lol. ok, just making sure you didn't grow another personality on us!! :lol:

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 12:53 PM
edited to add:
i have four children, and i'm married, as most of you know. anyway, not every teen mother turns out like the rest. k?
Congrats!! I was a teen mom too...had my son when I was 16.

Before you condemn all teen mothers, learn their story first. I graduated high school, went on to college...now I'm married and raising both my children. I lost out on my teen years but I don't care. I have a wonderful son who will be 11 next month.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 12:56 PM
COngrats!! I was a teen mom too...had my son when I was 16.well.. i get a little overly sensitive about the issue of teen parenting. it makes me furious to get lumped into a group that i do not belong in. i'm glad other people are coming forth to say they were teen parents too. :)

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 12:56 PM
. Maybe instead of forcing birth control pills down teen's throats, we should be trying to find out what caused this hike in teen pregnancies in the first place and rectifying it.

That's almost too easy....there's a lot more sex on tv and such then there used to be.
I know it's not an excuse, but just one of many possible reasons.

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 12:58 PM
well.. i get a little overly sensitive about the issue of teen parenting. it makes me furious to get lumped into a group that i do not belong in. i'm glad other people are coming forth to say they were teen parents too. :)
Same here. I'm not the high school drop out, sucking money from society because I didn't want to work....I worked my butt off to get where I am today.

misschief
September 19th, 2004, 01:02 PM
Same here. I'm not the high school drop out, sucking money from society because I didn't want to work....I worked my butt off to get where I am today.
:achug:..... to making it. :D

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 01:04 PM
I don't think very highly of teen pregnancy either. I think it's very irresponsible and that they should have known better.
Oh an dI guess I was really irresponsible when the guy raped me right? Next you're going to say I derserved it. Althought the numbers may be low, not every teen mother who got pregnant did it on purpose--got pregnant OR had sex.

And unless you've been a teen mother, you will never ever understand the situation we've been in. And you can't pretend to know.

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I bet you anything that the teen-mothers never really had a true goal. I bet that not many people believed in them, thus, nobody gave them a shot at a decent job or special education.
I'm sorry, but you're a bitch for saying this. You just assume that every teen mother went out there, with no life plans, and that they're only plan was to get pregnant. I for one, had loads of support and not the money type either, from my family and friends. As I said before, unless you were a teen mother, don't assume you know what it's like for us or them.

And after this, I'm staying out of this thread. You all assume one thing and it pisses me off to no end what you assume. You haven't been in my shoes, you don't know what I've been thru. And don't assume you know what it's like if you don't. Don't assume we're all the same--that we all did it on purpose, that we were all on welfare and that we had no life goals to begin with. To think that people can be so closeminded as to assume this sickens me.

IndigoMoon
September 19th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I also was a teen mom, and I'm proud to say that I have a very successful life now. I have to admit that it wasn't easy. And I think that it takes a special person to make the difficult road of teen motherhood a success. But guess what, some of us did it, and we deserve your respect....explative......and I was so angry when I started reading this thread. I cannot believe that a group of pagans...people who should know what it's like to be stereotyped.....would stereotype others. I guess it goes to show that we are all human.

i agree with Dixiewitch totally, If you've never been there you'll never understand.

I'm so angry I can't even think straight.

CajunLady
September 19th, 2004, 01:17 PM
I'm so angry I can't even think straight. I tried to do this in karma, but I need to spread the love around before I can poke you again... :hugz:

Isil Darkmoon
September 19th, 2004, 01:34 PM
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