Question! Which chart should I trust? I have two completely different ones.

[Mirielle]

Help! I got each chart off a different site. Each has the same info....what is it that makes them different?

[Valkie]

not same info... one is June, the other is July.

*doh* :D

[Mirielle]

ohh OOPS! my MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL I feel stupid now!

[Kadynas]

Although I will point out something about the chart on the left... I've had my chart drawn there and it gives me an Ascendant of 15 Gemini instead of the 29 Gemini every other place/program gives me. Pretty much the reason I never bought any of their reports! :lol:

[Fluffmeister]

Although I will point out something about the chart on the left... I've had my chart drawn there and it gives me an Ascendant of 15 Gemini instead of the 29 Gemini every other place/program gives me. Pretty much the reason I never bought any of their reports! :lol:
That sounds like a time zone or DST problem, Kadynas - and since Astrodienst (www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com)) actually wrote the ephemeris that virtually every astrology program uses, it's unlikely to be their maths that's wrong. Astrodienst update their places database regularly - so they tend to be more up to date than many programs. For instance, when the statue of Saddam was toppled, Solar Fire put the Sun in the sixth house (below the horizon). Everyone watching it on TV could see the Sun shining - ie above the horizon. It turned out that Baghdad *did* have DST in operation, but lots of software forgot that.

What's your birth data, Kadynas?

[Kadynas]

That sounds like a time zone or DST problem, Kadynas - and since Astrodienst (www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com)) actually wrote the ephemeris that virtually every astrology program uses, it's unlikely to be their maths that's wrong. Astrodienst update their places database regularly - so they tend to be more up to date than many programs. For instance, when the statue of Saddam was toppled, Solar Fire put the Sun in the sixth house (below the horizon). Everyone watching it on TV could see the Sun shining - ie above the horizon. It turned out that Baghdad *did* have DST in operation, but lots of software forgot that.

What's your birth data, Kadynas?
19 Apr 1978, 9:01am, 79W32/40N18. Not sure whether it was daylight savings time or not... we change our clocks sometime towards the end of April and then towards the end of October. At any rate, astrology.com is the only one who's ever given me the 15 Gemini Asc. :) Astro.com says it calculates that automatically, so I've always assumed it to be correct.

Wouldn't it be a bummer after all this time to have the wrong chart? :hairraise :lol:

[Fluffmeister]

Fear not, Kadynas! Your Ascendant hasn't been stolen :)

I got the wrong end of the stick - I thought you were talking about the astro.com chart, not the astrology.com chart - however, I checked your birth data (you didn't say a town, but I'm guessing Pittsburgh is close enough) on Solar Fire and astro.com - and they both give 29 Gemini. I then checked astrology.com - and that gives 29 Gemini too! So don't know what happened when you tried - very odd.

[Kadynas]

It was a few years ago... maybe they've updated their stuff since then. :D

[Lady Avalon]

From what I can see, the first one looks like it was done using the even house method. The second is definately done on the uneven house method.

From years of experience, I do not like or trust the even house method. To me it's just unnatural.

[Fluffmeister]

From what I can see, the first one looks like it was done using the even house method. The second is definately done on the uneven house method.

From years of experience, I do not like or trust the even house method. To me it's just unnatural.
No, they're both done using Placidus - in the Equal House system, each house cusp has the same degree on each cusp; the charts posted don't. And they both say "Placidus" on them.

I'm not keen on the Equal House system personally, although that's the one I have to teach - I'm curious as to why you think it's "unnatural", though - it was effectively the earliest system used by astrologers (well, an obvious development from Whole Sign houses really), and I do revert to using it at latitudes where Placidus doesn't work. For instance, try casting a midnight chart for 21 June 2004 in Hammerfest, Norway (70N40, 23E42) using any house system except equal (Placidus and many others simply won't work at that latitude - and yet Hammerfest is a fairly sizeable town) - now *that's* an unnatural looking chart!