Spirits, Ghosts and Tethers

[mucgwyrt]

Aleigh posted something which made me think :uhhuhuh:

There is something in my house - I haven't managed to discern whether it is a spirit yet, or a ghost of some kind :whatgives
He seems 'based' in the spare bedroom upstairs and lingers in the hallway, but will not enter my bedroom and cannot reach the bathroom at the other end of the hall.

He's a nasty bastard, who rather enjoys running at me full speed screaming, and then stopping only inches from my face and screaming at me some more :flamer: I wont go to the bathroom during the night if he's on the hall, but if he's in the spare-room I will risk running to it :lol: . Disturbingly enough though, the spare bedroom is the one I had since I was born, til I was aged 10 :twitch: (although I've only become aware of him over the past year).

Anyway, my question is - why is it that ghosts/spirits seem 'tethered' to a certain place, and cannot move more than a certain distance from it?

[Seren_]

It could be that there is something in that part of the house that allows him to manifest, something very specific that means he's stuck in that particular area.

It's interesting that he's stuck in that spot...bathrooms, being a watery area will act as a natural energy dampener (in theory). So he might not be able to go that way because he's too weak (a good sign, if he wants to cause trouble). I would guess that either purposely or sunconsciously you'd have wards in your room. This might be one reason that he's unable to go to your room, making him kind of stuck in the middle.

If he's causing problems, then I would look into ways of releasing him. He might be "acting up" to attract your attention, thinking you might be able to help him leave?

[Seren_]

Oooo. Talking about haunting specific places....my gran haunts my clock (that I inherited from her). I haven't seen her in a while, but she seems to hang around it, maybe because it's familiar to her. Is there anything in the spare room that's fairly old, that could be the source of wee ghostie's obsession?

[mucgwyrt]

It could be that there is something in that part of the house that allows him to manifest, something very specific that means he's stuck in that particular area.

It's interesting that he's stuck in that spot...bathrooms, being a watery area will act as a natural energy dampener (in theory). So he might not be able to go that way because he's too weak (a good sign, if he wants to cause trouble). I would guess that either purposely or sunconsciously you'd have wards in your room. This might be one reason that he's unable to go to your room, making him kind of stuck in the middle.

If he's causing problems, then I would look into ways of releasing him. He might be "acting up" to attract your attention, thinking you might be able to help him leave?
That's an interesting theory...!! You are smart, Seren :D

Yes, I think there might be unconscious wards in my room - I often feel that he wont or can't enter when my other-half is there; perhaps he is the ward! :lol: It is also, sub/consciously my sanctuary :) Although I've never encountered him downstairs, either....

I can't think of anything he'd be stuck in in the room - there is a bed, a desk, a computer, my obsidian sphere and a chunk of quartz and a filing cabinet. I'm 99% sure it wont be anything to do with the obsidian... I'll work with the quartz over the weekend, and see what happens. It's not very nice quartz :sick:

Ways of releasing him? Hmm.... :confused:

[Aleigh]

I've been looking for an explanation for this too. The house I grew up in had several ghosts/spirits/entities. One of them, the scariest one I don't think was the ghost or spirit of anyone who'd died. He was just some kind of scary, cold, shadowy negative thing that could only move around in the upstairs hallway, at the top of the stairs. I could tell he was just dying (no pun intended) to come in my bedroom and mess with me, but he could only stand in the doorway and stare at me. Mostly he just stood at the top of the stairs and refused to move so I had to force myself to walk through him if I wanted to get to my room. Ugh.

There was one spirit that also hung around my house. He was this little 8 year old boy. I had dreams about him a lot, and he told me a few things that turned out to be true. He said that he died falling out of a tree on his fathers farm, and that he had to stay on the land that was his father's original property. He told me the boundaries of his father's land, and I checked the deed history and someone did own the exact area he described at the time he said he died. But it makes no sense to me that he'd be restricted to the land his father legally owned. Maybe in life his parents hadn't let him leave it? I asked him why he couldn't leave it and he seemed confused that I asked him that, like it never occured to him to try to leave, or even to want to leave. He said that his brother had died there too, from pneumonia or something, and also couldn't leave.

What on earth kept them from leaving? And what kept the other thing stuck in the hallway? I really want to know! I can see how ghosts are sometimes more of a "recording" of events that happened there before, and they don't really interact with the living...so they would just keep reenacting what happened at one place...that makes sense to me. But these ones weren't like that. They interacted with me, so why couldn't they go wherever they want?

[mucgwyrt]

Well, maybe his father had told him (as father's do) "dont leave the house/grounds/land son" :lol:
Maybe he was just doing as he was told :)

[Aleigh]

Well, maybe his father had told him (as father's do) "dont leave the house/grounds/land son" :lol:
Maybe he was just doing as he was told :)
LOL I just edited my post to include that idea and when I clicked save I saw your post. Maybe that is it!

[Seren_]

My first instinct would be to bury the quartz in some soil, if you have a garden - best it's outside rather than a plantpot. This will help give the quartz a gentle, more natural cleansing and recharge which might be more effective for it if it has something against you :D You could try cleansing it yourself, but you might piss it off even more...Do you know why it's not nice (like, has it always been that way, or just recently - what kind of quartz is it - size, shape)? There could be something in that.

Removing the quartz from the house and seeing what happens with your ghostie might also help determine whether there's a link. If your ghostie disappears, then et voila. Source identified.

It's interesting that you mention he's only been around in the past year...is there something that's changed in that time? Is he specifically targeting you, or do other people in the house get the same? I wonder that if you've started to become active - or more active - or aware/open in magical practice during that time, he might not approve. Or you might have woke him up with your practices...Any emotional upheavals (along poltergeist kind of lines).

The more you know about him, then the better you can deal with him. Some ghosts can be complete attention whores. Venturing out onto the landing at night and telling him to piss off the next time he decides to play might be enough to subdue him. Could make him even worse though, most ghosts are like toddlers, so if you say no, then they'll act out even more :D If you ignore them, though, they'll eventually get bored and go away.

It's probably an idea to find out what he is first. He might not be a ghostie, he might be some kind of guardian, in which case it's probably not a good idea to get rid of, IMHO. Whatever you do, trust your instincts and intuition.

There are several ways of getting rid of him, if it comes to it. The first option is to ask him to leave you alone, nicely...The second option is to kindly point out that he's dead, and might want to go join some other afterlife, which is that way, thanks, and not your spare bedroom (or at least if he wants to hang around, could he do it quietly). Sometimes ghosties don't realise they're dead and they might act out because they're confused. Or else the last resort is to force them to leave...which can be interesting.

[Seren_]

What on earth kept them from leaving? And what kept the other thing stuck in the hallway? I really want to know! I can see how ghosts are sometimes more of a "recording" of events that happened there before, and they don't really interact with the living...so they would just keep reenacting what happened at one place...that makes sense to me. But these ones weren't like that. They interacted with me, so why couldn't they go wherever they want?

A friend of mine used to work in an old pub as a chef (the building was about 600 years old). When he worked there late a night, finishing up in the kitchen, he always felt a presence, kind of interested, but stand-offish. He felt a similar kind of presence in the lounge bar, on the other side of the building when he'd stop for a pint and a chat after he finished his shift.

A lot of work had been done to the building over the years, and the layout of the rooms and so forth had been changed. When the pub changed hands, they decided to rennovate it and put it back to how it originally was. This involved removing a fairly modern wall and reconnecting an old passage between the kitchen and the lounge bar back...one day Ian finished his shift and went to the bar through this new passage, just after the wall had been knocked down. As he went to the new doorway, he felt something jump on his back, and it stayed with him until he got to the bar (terrified by this point, he couldn't see anything behind him). As soon as he entered the bar area, the weight lifted and he never felt either ghostly presence again. Seems the two ghosts were waiting to be reuinted after being blocked off by a wall. Weird eh?

[Gwynna Star]

Oooo. Talking about haunting specific places....my gran haunts my clock (that I inherited from her). I haven't seen her in a while, but she seems to hang around it, maybe because it's familiar to her. Is there anything in the spare room that's fairly old, that could be the source of wee ghostie's obsession?


Some Ghosts or left over Energies can attach themselves to an object. I'm an Antique dealer, which means I "haunt" (no pun intended) antique stores all the time. There's been times where I've walked in and walked right back out! :ghost: Yikes!

There was an armoire in the back of this large antique store. One day I walked in, then went in the back making my way through. All of the sudden I got this negative/eerie feeling. I tried shrugging it off, but eventually left because I couldn't stand it any longer. Months later I worked up the courage to go back there. Well, I decided to figure out where this negative energy was coming from. Sure enough, I honed in on this very large armoire. Probably made in Europe. I couldn't bring myself to touch the thing!

I went back several months later and as soon as I walked towards the back of the store, I knew the armoire was gone! Yeah!

I feel sorry for whoever bought it though... :ghostie:

[Aleigh]

A friend of mine used to work in an old pub as a chef (the building was about 600 years old). When he worked there late a night, finishing up in the kitchen, he always felt a presence, kind of interested, but stand-offish. He felt a similar kind of presence in the lounge bar, on the other side of the building when he'd stop for a pint and a chat after he finished his shift.

A lot of work had been done to the building over the years, and the layout of the rooms and so forth had been changed. When the pub changed hands, they decided to rennovate it and put it back to how it originally was. This involved removing a fairly modern wall and reconnecting an old passage between the kitchen and the lounge bar back...one day Ian finished his shift and went to the bar through this new passage, just after the wall had been knocked down. As he went to the new doorway, he felt something jump on his back, and it stayed with him until he got to the bar (terrified by this point, he couldn't see anything behind him). As soon as he entered the bar area, the weight lifted and he never felt either ghostly presence again. Seems the two ghosts were waiting to be reuinted after being blocked off by a wall. Weird eh?

See...now that kind of thing does make sense to me. I guess now that I think about it the two little boys not leaving their dad's land sort of makes sense (maybe). But that thing in our upstairs hallway...we built that house. There were no bathrooms or anything upstairs, just the hallway and the two bedrooms. The hallway was about 6 feet by 10 feet, with a wall at one end, the stairs at the other end and a door on either side. He stayed mostly by the stairs, but could go as far as my bedroom door. Maybe he just stayed there because he knew it drove me crazy that he stayed there? *shrug* I think I probably had sub/unconsciously warded my room against him or he probably would have come in.

One weird thing that I just remembered about that thing is that a few times I dreamed that I was in the house that had burned down in approximately the same spot. Our house was built slightly closer to the road than that one, but mostly overlapping where the other one was. In the dream, the house was actually on fire at the time, and there was a man standing at the top of the stairs yelling at me that he couldn't get down and he was mad that I couldn't help him. I'd think that was who this thing was, but no one died in that fire! .

When my parents moved there, they put a trailer on a slab just behind where they ended up building the house a few years later. The burnt shell of the old house was there when they bought it but they had it demolished and the foundation filled in before they brought the trailer there. There was a mirror in the kitchen that faced toward my bedroom. My bedroom windows faced where they built the house, and the first time they brought me there I was facing that mirror and saw a bunch of flames outside my bedroom window. I spun around and looked and there was nothing. I looked back at the mirror and saw the flames outside my window again. I had a panick attack and insisted I wasn't going to live there, and went and stayed with my grandmother for 2 weeks before they could get me to go back again. *shudder*

I know no one died in that fire because I met the girl who lived in that house, and she said the only one home at the time was their cat. And my dad says that our crazy neighbor across the street actually confessed to him one time that he set the fire. He was always fighting with the guy who lived there, and he went over one night while they were out and trashed the place, then set the fire to try to cover up the fact that he trashed the place (not too bright).

I'm totally rambling, I've just always wanted to know what the heck that thing was and why it was stuck in the hallway. LOL

[Ziana]

The question was raised as to why some ghosts can move with a person, and others are stuck in the same area. The answer is, in my opinion, some ghosts haunt a place, others haunt a person. So when you move, if the ghost haunts you, it goes with you. You are it's 'tether'. If it's attached to an area, it stays there. The little boy versus the grandmother. He was probably told to stay on the land and so couldn't cross the boundries, whereas the grandmother attached herself to the grandchild, and therefore was able to follow her around.

[mucgwyrt]

My first instinct would be to bury the quartz in some soil, if you have a garden - best it's outside rather than a plantpot. This will help give the quartz a gentle, more natural cleansing and recharge which might be more effective for it if it has something against you :D You could try cleansing it yourself, but you might piss it off even more...Do you know why it's not nice (like, has it always been that way, or just recently - what kind of quartz is it - size, shape)? There could be something in that.

Removing the quartz from the house and seeing what happens with your ghostie might also help determine whether there's a link. If your ghostie disappears, then et voila. Source identified.

It's interesting that you mention he's only been around in the past year...is there something that's changed in that time? Is he specifically targeting you, or do other people in the house get the same? I wonder that if you've started to become active - or more active - or aware/open in magical practice during that time, he might not approve. Or you might have woke him up with your practices...Any emotional upheavals (along poltergeist kind of lines).

The more you know about him, then the better you can deal with him. Some ghosts can be complete attention whores. Venturing out onto the landing at night and telling him to piss off the next time he decides to play might be enough to subdue him. Could make him even worse though, most ghosts are like toddlers, so if you say no, then they'll act out even more :D If you ignore them, though, they'll eventually get bored and go away.

It's probably an idea to find out what he is first. He might not be a ghostie, he might be some kind of guardian, in which case it's probably not a good idea to get rid of, IMHO. Whatever you do, trust your instincts and intuition.

There are several ways of getting rid of him, if it comes to it. The first option is to ask him to leave you alone, nicely...The second option is to kindly point out that he's dead, and might want to go join some other afterlife, which is that way, thanks, and not your spare bedroom (or at least if he wants to hang around, could he do it quietly). Sometimes ghosties don't realise they're dead and they might act out because they're confused. Or else the last resort is to force them to leave...which can be interesting.


Right, well this quartz was bought about a year ago, by my boyfriend. I really disliked it, but hey - personal taste :D
It's about palm-sized and is smooth/tumbled. It has a single inclusion in it. However (I could just be seeing things) I swear it's gotten mistier and mistier as time's gone on. Not more inclusions, kind of like when you breathe on cold glass, you know? I'll bury the crystal outside when I get the chance - my folks are home right now, and although they dont question my stang, they might think it's odd if I start acting all dog-like and burying crystals ;)

In the past year I've redecorated my bedroom so that pretty much nobody sleeps in the spare room anymore (my boyfriend used to sleep in there before we bought a double bed). We moved the computer into the room from the lounge downstairs, so it does get some use. My parents live in a different city and just come down every other weekend. (could it be lonely?!)

Emotionally I am fine. The only upheaval has been the death of my grandfather, but that was about 18 months ago now and he lived on the other side of the country, and I felt him 'leave' with the spirit of his dead wife.

I have encountered about a dozen spirits since I have become more aware (starting from around last Geola/xmas), but this one is different. All other spirits I have encountered I have been able to sense what they look like - to see them, in dreams or my minds eye or whatever. Even the angry ones. But this one, I have never 'seen', even when I had an out of body experience in the room with him stood next to me - even on the astral, it was as though he had no body or something! I have seen a guardian, and he feels more like that than any other type of spirit I've met (plant spirit, house spirit...), but not :whatgives I can't describe it. Guardians are ordered, calm, strong but forceful. This one is strong, angry, spontaneous :whatgives

(But then, I've never consciously met an actual ghost, just "thing"-spirits!)

Right now he seems subdued, almost sulky. He just sits in the room and although I can feel him there and he's still not friendly, he's not coming out and chasing me :lol: I would let it go, since he's keeping himself to himself, but curiousity gets the better of me :lol:

[Jaroson]

Some 'ghosts/entities' are attracted by magical use as well. I had a very frightening experience fifteen years ago using a book which I feel is dangerous due to its lack of accuracy and attracted one which was physically violent. A few years ago I braved the past and looked into it again and though most of it now seemed gibberish to me, I discovered that a rather well known magician had used the same book and had attracted one of these malevolent spirits as well, which he attested almost killed him.
In the studies I have done, things rarely get worse than the first encounter. That is to say that if a spirit appears and is sulky or moody, it is likely to remain so and not get any worse. If a spirit is to be malevolent, then it will be from the word go. There's never a middle ground is there? :D

[Aelfoak]

Out of interest Jaroson, which book was it?

[Jaroson]

Pm'd you Aelf.

[asamananara]

My two cents on spirit anchors:
In life, a person's self-identity is nearly entirely sensorial;
their awareness of the external world is bound to their physical
person; all points of reference are obtained via biological proxy;
information gathered by the eyes, ears, etc. is then processed
and stored in the brain; accessed holographically, the chain
of sensorial history amounts to the "self". In life, people
have a tendency to extend their identify to include external
objects or places which are closely bound to them throughout
this formative process. A necklace, always worn, literally
becomes a part of the person wearing it- it carries their energy,
and they feel incomplete, or naked, without it. This bond is
strongly reinforced in objects or places which saw the person
through transformative experiences- trauma, joy, pain, etc.
It remains a constant in an otherwise shifting sense of self.
In death, we lose our main physical anchor in the world- our
bodies. A tenacious soul will cling to it's physical identity
despite the body's unfitness to harbor life- thus, the "ghosts"
associated with graveyards. Sometimes, the soul will shift
it's anchor to that object which remains uncorrupted by death;
the necklace, for instance- thus, the association of "cursed"
items. Sometimes, when a transformative experience is extremely
traumatic, the soul attaches itself to the physical matrix of
that place- wholey removed from it's own identity, it becomes
a haunt, it's life-force infusing and mingling with the energy
already present.
One could assume that a spirit, tethered to a place or an object,
is bound by the distance no greater than the peripherial distance
in life. The hypothetical necklace, for instance, need not
always be worn; taken off before a shower and left on the bedstand,
there might be 1000 feet between it, and the person. This might
be routine, and become a part of that person's awareness of
the necklace; nearly always worn, never more than 1000 feet
away. Thus, in death, the "ghost" would be incapable of straying
more than that distance from the necklace without violating
it's spirit-bond.
*shrug*
It's just a thought.
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edited to add:
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Out of curiosity, when standing in the spare bedroom, how
far down the hall can you see? To the bathroom? How about
from an supine position in the spare room? From different
areas in the spare room? See if you can find a spot which
includes the areas the spirit is able to move through, and
nothing else, in a direct line of sight. I'm wondering if
this spot "feels" different to you.

[mucgwyrt]

That's a really good way of thinking about it. Another good reason for practising detatchment :lol:

That's interesting, I had never thought of line-of-sight :confused:
You're right though; from the spare-room you can see down the hall, but cannot see my bedroom door because it is set back in the thick walls (old house). You can see into the bathroom as it faces it directly, but you can't see anything except the blank wall - the rest is around a corner.
When I had my out-of-body with him in the room, he was stood in a position where he could see out of the door.

[Seren_]

Hey Macha, how's the front teefsie's?

Right, well this quartz was bought about a year ago, by my boyfriend. I really disliked it, but hey - personal taste :D
It's about palm-sized and is smooth/tumbled. It has a single inclusion in it. However (I could just be seeing things) I swear it's gotten mistier and mistier as time's gone on. Not more inclusions, kind of like when you breathe on cold glass, you know?

Ahhh. OK. The reason I asked about the shape and such is that diferent crystal shapes channel different energies. For me, a crystal point directs energies, whereas tumbled stones reflect energies. A tumbled stone would therefore be more geared towards reflecting/spreading its own energies, whereas a point would be more geared towards directing its, or your, own. So I would gather by your description that the crystal isn't the source of your problems, but given the vague approximation of dates of when your b/f bought the crystal and when your problems with wee ghostie started, there could still be a link?

In the past year I've redecorated my bedroom so that pretty much nobody sleeps in the spare room anymore (my boyfriend used to sleep in there before we bought a double bed)....[snip]...(could it be lonely?!)

Why not?! It could be that your wee ghostie has been looking after you, but after you moved out of its room, it got upset?

Emotionally I am fine.

Well, that would rule out poltergeist activity, I'd say...I'm sorry for your loss though.

But this one, I have never 'seen', even when I had an out of body experience in the room with him stood next to me - even on the astral, it was as though he had no body or something! I have seen a guardian, and he feels more like that than any other type of spirit I've met (plant spirit, house spirit...), but not :whatgives I can't describe it. [QUOTE]

Now that's interesting...that you can't make him out, and he seems more like a guardian than a ghost. I'd look into that...

[QUOTE]Guardians are ordered, calm, strong but forceful. This one is strong, angry, spontaneous :whatgives

From my experience, it depends on the type of guardian...Ghost/haunting type guardians might be different from other types of guardians. Some guardians are self-appointed...others are specifically or even subconsciously created. But even guardians have personalities, from those I've encountered, and often their scariness can be a kind of "test" of your mettle, if that makes any sense.

[mucgwyrt]

Hey Macha, how's the front teefsie's?


Not sure. I'm still sensitive to cold, so they're still alive. It's a case of waiting and seeing. (fingers xx!)


Ahhh. OK. The reason I asked about the shape and such is that diferent crystal shapes channel different energies. For me, a crystal point directs energies, whereas tumbled stones reflect energies. A tumbled stone would therefore be more geared towards reflecting/spreading its own energies, whereas a point would be more geared towards directing its, or your, own. So I would gather by your description that the crystal isn't the source of your problems, but given the vague approximation of dates of when your b/f bought the crystal and when your problems with wee ghostie started, there could still be a link?


Yeah, I think time-wise it was about the same.


Why not?! It could be that your wee ghostie has been looking after you, but after you moved out of its room, it got upset?


It is something which has ocurred to me, and on numerous occasions I've said to it that if it's nice to me, it's more than welcome in my new room. But not until it can learn to be friendly :lol:



[quote] But this one, I have never 'seen', even when I had an out of body experience in the room with him stood next to me - even on the astral, it was as though he had no body or something! I have seen a guardian, and he feels more like that than any other type of spirit I've met (plant spirit, house spirit...), but not :whatgives I can't describe it. [QUOTE]

Now that's interesting...that you can't make him out, and he seems more like a guardian than a ghost. I'd look into that...


How would I go about looking into it? All the info on this kind of stuff on the net is so vague :whatgives


From my experience, it depends on the type of guardian...Ghost/haunting type guardians might be different from other types of guardians. Some guardians are self-appointed...others are specifically or even subconsciously created. But even guardians have personalities, from those I've encountered, and often their scariness can be a kind of "test" of your mettle, if that makes any sense.

True, I have only seen one type of guardian; he was a tall and well built guy with a spear who stood stock still and didn't say a word, with antlers. You just knew that he was fair, but wasn't someone you should mess with! :lol: He was guarding a pathway going to I dont know where :whatgives
But I met him during some dreamwork, not like this.

(Hey Seren, I've just got a noo spangly photo-phone but nobody I know has one, so I'm offering my number to anyone who has one too! Interested? :fpartyfav )

[Mau]

Wow. What a mean old coot. Anything really negative happen in that room as far as you know? Gotta remember..negative energy feeds on other negative energy.
Try cleansing the area. Ignore him..totally. Go into the room (during the day if you feel less creeped out) and do a lil candle magic. Black candle, it's purpose is to absorb any negative energy. Get some dead sea salts (can buy in the grocery store) and sprinkle them all along the walls and doorway. Sage smudge would be good, if you don't have one and can't get one quickly...use any incense you have that is cleansing and purifying. Walk it through, letting the scented smoke flow all over the room. Chanting something may be a good idea.
There are two ways to go about dealin with him really. The above is the way I'd advise just anyone to use. THere is another, that I would do myself..but I know how to do it. Talk to him. Ask him why he's so angry, why he's there, why he screams and insists on trying to scare the hell out of me. Let him know that this isn't where he belongs..this place is for the living. Ask him if there is something there, or something someone is doing that makes him think he needs to be there and act this way, and see if it can be fixed. Now, if he's a really mean old fart he'll just give you the 'because you are HERE' thing...and there's no talking to entities like that...you just have to banish them. Talking to them can be risky, especially if you don't know their nature. You have to be sure you don't leave yourself open or vulnerable to them in any capacity other than hearing them.

BTW...I just saw your mention of an obsidian sphere, how long has that been there? Black obsidian acts as a door opener between us and the otherworld ya know.

[Old Witch]

We have a ghost and he never comes into our bedroom. The bedroom is an add on...my theory is it wasn't there when he was alive, so it doesn't exist to him now...

[Seren_]

Not sure. I'm still sensitive to cold, so they're still alive. It's a case of waiting and seeing. (fingers xx!)

:toofless: I have a recurring dream that I lose my teeth, I'm that paranoid about them.

Yeah, I think time-wise it was about the same.

I just wrote a whole long reply and managed to delete it! But what Mau said about your obsidian was a good point. Try removing both pieces from your spare room...

It is something which has ocurred to me, and on numerous occasions I've said to it that if it's nice to me, it's more than welcome in my new room. But not until it can learn to be friendly :lol:

...How would I go about looking into it? All the info on this kind of stuff on the net is so vague :whatgives

OK....Warning! Essay to follow!

First off...you look into it cautiously :twitch: Like Mau suggested, talking to him is the most immediate thing that springs to mind, but this can be problematic, if not dangerous (I can elaborate if you want, but this is all long enough for now. Suffice it to say, if things are bad, do not attempt communication...:D ).

Safer alternatives would be divination with cards, runes, or whatever your talented with. I would, however, instinctively avoid mirrors, water and any other reflective scrying surfaces because these can be dangerous in these situations (for a start, divination provides another of those gateways, and things like mirrors and similar things even more so...). But I'm getting ahead of myself here.

So the first thing I'd do is cleansings and so forth. Personally I wouldn't aim to banish him just yet...I was always told that entities will haunt a place for a purpose. We might not know what purpose, but getting rid of it should be a last resort...they might piss us off, but might be hanging around for someone else, and we're just sport, y'know? But by all means do point him to the exits as you cleanse, he might just need to a hint or two. And if you think he really does need banished, then do it. But to start with, I'd spread the salt, or whatever you do, with the intent of banishing negativity, cleansing your space, and inviting those that have no intent of harm to stay (or something along those lines).

As well as getting rid of the stones in the spare room, I would place some more in there in their stead. Specifically, thunderstone (which is iron based - a hematite stone mixed with jasper, I think) - which you usually find in shops tumbled/polished. Either way, it will help absorb any residual negativity, after cleansing, and it's a good deioniser for your computer or anything else electrical :D Smokey quartz can be used at a push, but I find thunderstone to be a bit more effective. They're almost like a magical deodoriser, I guess you could say.

As well as that, or instead of, I would get some clear quartz crystal points. The smaller the better, I think (and cheaper, too)...Assuming your spare room is vaguely square, place a quartz point in each corner of the room, with the points facing the centre to make an X shape of energy (if that makes any sense...). This will help balance the energy in the room, but if your wee ghostie is using the energy of the crystals (which from the state of your cloudy crystal could still be possible) it should force him to manifest in the centre of room if he still tries anything - at the centre of the X. So it will restrict his movements and allow you more control over him, if you need it.

Small crystals will make it all a bit more discreet, if you don't want your parents finding out and thinking you're a complete froob...you can even hide them under the carpet if you like. I also find smaller ones are a lot more focused in their energies, perfect for the job at hand. If none of this works, then you at least know that whatever it is, it's big. If they do work, then I'd alternate them every month or so with another set, so that your crystals can recharge. This might help the situation enough that you won't need to take further action.

Alternative and traditional methods include leaving a saucer of vinegar, or half an onion placed on a saucer in the room (bad smell, repels evil). So if it gets rid of him - even temporarily, you know you're on to a bad'n and it needs a full on banishing to make sure he's gone for good. I doubt in this case we're talking evil here, but it might be good to know anyway.

Otherwise, or preferably in addition to all that...gather as much information about him as possible. Approach the situation analytically and scientifically. Think about:

When he appears in the screaming, erg arg, form. This, I would guess, is his most obvious approach (and quite literally in yer face). So. What time is it? (Not just day/night, but more specific). Think about the day of the week, month, phase of the moon, whatever. Are you alone in the house, or are there other people about - parents, boyfriend, siblings? Are they awake/asleep. When this happens, how've you been that day? Do you suffer from depression - or are you depressed or feeling a little down at the time? Stressed (work, life etc)? Are you hormonal, menstruating, and so on. How about anyone else in the house at the time (hormones, depression, stress)? Basically, do you see any patterns emerging? What do your instincts tell you?

Other times you see/feel him. Again try and think about the same things...anything strike you?

Above all, can you link his activities to any rituals or magic you do? Even if you're just studying intensely for a while, do you think this might affect him? If so, how does he react? In relation to festivals in particular, does he seem to get more active or less active leading up to/after them? The equinoxes, for example, are considered by some practitioners to be tidal times for energies - where magical energies peak (solstices being tidal troughs). If he uses these, can you see any correlation?

In a more general sense, where do you most often encounter him? Your spare room seems to be his "base", from what you've said, but is it on your way *to* somewhere, or *from*? Or no particular pattern?

Does he appear to anyone else, or is it just you? If it's purely personal, this would suggest a definite link to you, and perhaps imply that he is a guardian after all. I have to say, I would guess it is personal, and that he's interested in you for any number of reasons...your interest in magic/this kind of thing, or a more personal thing of he wants to look after you or something. Or maybe he thinks you can help him.

Also, can you anticipate his movements, or does it take you by surprise?

All this will help to build a profile, and I know all this might sound vague, but it's probably best to take it one step at a time. How he works can be very helpful in identifying who or what he is, and this knowledge is key in knowing how to deal with him...He could just be an opportunistic type, or more focused...focused implying purpose. Even if he's harmless, then at least you've looked into it and maybe even learned something.

Be as objective as you can in this. Think back to any times that particularly stick in your mind, and keep half a brain cell or so watching out for anything else in the meantime (but don't obsess or set out to coax him into doing anything)...If you do any cleansings, or anything else anyone's suggested, how does that affect his activities, if at all?

True, I have only seen one type of guardian; he was a tall and well built guy with a spear who stood stock still and didn't say a word, with antlers. You just knew that he was fair, but wasn't someone you should mess with! He was guarding a pathway going to I dont know where
But I met him during some dreamwork, not like this.

Guardians often have as much a personality as any other entity...but they are very driven by their purpose. Some guardians might be independent entities, carrying out their job because of their own choice (or they accidentally ended up there for various reasons), or they might have been instructed in doing it; in this case they might not be ghosts, but artificially and consciously created as a thoughtform from someone else, or accidentally created by the "protective" feelings by one or more people towards a place. I'm not sure that makes sense, but do look into thoughtforms if it rings a bell, and you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. Or feel free to ask, and I'll clarify...In either case, the reason you can't see him is interesting, because if he's a thoughtform, you'd expect him to have a form, right? So this seems to be a personal choice, maybe...

If your ghost is really a guardian, then I could interpret his actions as being a test, to see how you react...a test of your mettle, perhaps, for whatever reason. Or maybe he's just bored :D Then again, ghosts can become guardians in that they become very protective of their space, if you see what I mean. So what do you think the focus is here, instinctively? A ghost-guardian, or a guardian? Focused on a space, or focused on you? Really trust your instincts on this. If he's shown himself to you, I'd also guess he wants your attention, but perhaps wants you to figure things out, more than anything.

I could go on and on (as usual :D)...but I should probably stop here for now and let you absorb all that...

However, before I finally shut up (in this post anyway :D), I will say that if at any point in doing anything suggested, you feel in danger, then cleanse, banish and protect yourself immediately. Like Jaroson said, since wee ghostie hasn't pulled out all the stops so far and got really scary, then it seems unlikely he will. But as a precaution, make sure you have all this to hand before you start "investigating". Better safe than sorry and all that.

(Hey Seren, I've just got a noo spangly photo-phone but nobody I know has one, so I'm offering my number to anyone who has one too! Interested? :fpartyfav )

No spangly phone...but you can email them from your phone, or send them to the service providers website, where us techno-phobes can pick them up....I'm on Orange

[mucgwyrt]

Mau - no, nothing nasty has happened in the house to my knowledge.

:toofless: I have a recurring dream that I lose my teeth, I'm that paranoid about them.


Me too now :lol:

I just wrote a whole long reply and managed to delete it! But what Mau said about your obsidian was a good point. Try removing both pieces from your spare room...


OK, I have done and haven't felt him in there since. If that's not a coincidence (he has been known to go 'on leave' every now and again) then I think Mau was right, because surprisingly enough it does seem to be the obsidian - unbenownst to me, my other half had filched the quartz and it's been in the lounge for the past three weeks :lol: . Which is odd, because it's a nice crystal, you know? When I hold it I get nice tingles from it.

:whatgives

Saturday night though, I slept with the obsidian next to my bed, and I slept alone. I could feel the presence of something - whether it was him or not I don't know; I'm starting to become aware of another spirit which has attached itself to me (tall, humanesque, antlery things, but with black eyes kind of like a deer). Anyway I went to sleep repeating "I want to see you" and directing my thoughts at whatever was there. The only thing I saw, as I drifted off to sleep, was a pair of yellow eyes. Which woke me up :lol:


When he appears in the screaming, erg arg, form.


OK, that sentence alone deserves a karma poke! :rotfl:


This, I would guess, is his most obvious approach (and quite literally in yer face). So. What time is it? (Not just day/night, but more specific). Think about the day of the week, month, phase of the moon, whatever. Are you alone in the house, or are there other people about - parents, boyfriend, siblings? Are they awake/asleep. When this happens, how've you been that day? Do you suffer from depression - or are you depressed or feeling a little down at the time? Stressed (work, life etc)? Are you hormonal, menstruating, and so on. How about anyone else in the house at the time (hormones, depression, stress)? Basically, do you see any patterns emerging? What do your instincts tell you?


OK briefly, it's between 12 and 2 am (i'll pay more attention next time). It occurs when my boyfriend is there, but he is more active (or perhaps I am more sensitive?) when I am alone. They can be either asleep or awake, it doesn't matter. No depression (I've recently been referred to as "one of those people who are always irritatingly happy and chirpy :lol: ). I shall pay more attention to the other things you're mentioning. I'll have to get a wall chart with stickies (hey, maybe I could give him a sticky-star when he's a good ghoul :hehehehe: )


Does he appear to anyone else, or is it just you? If it's purely personal, this would suggest a definite link to you, and perhaps imply that he is a guardian after all. I have to say, I would guess it is personal, and that he's interested in you for any number of reasons...your interest in magic/this kind of thing, or a more personal thing of he wants to look after you or something. Or maybe he thinks you can help him.

Also, can you anticipate his movements, or does it take you by surprise?


I'm the only person who he pesters; nobody else is aware of him.
I can track his movements; he seems to pace in the spare room, as though he's agitated. Then he becomes aware of the fact that I've become aware of him, and then he gets all feisty.


Guardians often have as much a personality as any other entity...but they are very driven by their purpose. Some guardians might be independent entities, carrying out their job because of their own choice (or they accidentally ended up there for various reasons), or they might have been instructed in doing it; in this case they might not be ghosts, but artificially and consciously created as a thoughtform from someone else, or accidentally created by the "protective" feelings by one or more people towards a place. I'm not sure that makes sense, but do look into thoughtforms if it rings a bell, and you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. Or feel free to ask, and I'll clarify...In either case, the reason you can't see him is interesting, because if he's a thoughtform, you'd expect him to have a form, right? So this seems to be a personal choice, maybe...


I'll look into them. He does kind of have a form I guess, because I know when he's pacing the room, and I know he's 'running' toward me... but then like I said, I couldn't see anything even with my astral-eyes that time I slept in there, which is unusual right? I thought ghosties live on the astral :huh:


If your ghost is really a guardian, then I could interpret his actions as being a test, to see how you react...a test of your mettle, perhaps, for whatever reason. Or maybe he's just bored :D Then again, ghosts can become guardians in that they become very protective of their space, if you see what I mean. So what do you think the focus is here, instinctively? A ghost-guardian, or a guardian? Focused on a space, or focused on you? Really trust your instincts on this. If he's shown himself to you, I'd also guess he wants your attention, but perhaps wants you to figure things out, more than anything.

I think he's more focused on himself and on me than on the room itself. He definately directs a lot of negative energy towards me, but to be honest the spirits I have met in the past are incredibley fickle; one who was adamant he hated me then got a bit peeved when I left him alone and went on holiday :lol: so how he really feels about me is anyone's guess!

However, thinking about it, he only troubles me when I'm aware of him. What I mean is, if I get up in the middle of the night and dont look into the room and don't kind of extend my awareness to it, then I dont get any hassle. If I probe it with my mind - you know, kind of try to see if he's there - then he becomes aware of me and gets funny.

This is making my head spin :lol: so I'm gonna go think about someone else ;)

:smoochypo @ Mau and Seren :D

[mucgwyrt]

Ps - he was back last night, so it's not the quartz or the obsidian. Ill try n put some quartz chips in the room, and record it all :D