Does Asatru = Germanic Recon?

[cartweel]

Are Asatru and Germanic (or Norse) Reconstructionism the same thing or is Asatru a specific version of Norse Recon??

I've been looking through alot of Asatru sites and haven't been able to find a good answer to that question, so I thought I'd ask it here.

Help would be much appreciated!

[Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill]

Are Asatru and Germanic (or Norse) Reconstructionism the same thing or is Asatru a specific version of Norse Recon??

I've been looking through alot of Asatru sites and haven't been able to find a good answer to that question, so I thought I'd ask it here.

Help would be much appreciated!

No. There are other types of Germanic Recons out there, though the majority are specifically Asatru. Asatru means true to the Aesir which is a family of gods. There are also those who call themselves Vanatru, another family of gods. There are also Anglo-Saxon Recons around. I believe there are those who focus more on historical Icelandic practices.

[Seren_]

Are Asatru and Germanic (or Norse) Reconstructionism the same thing or is Asatru a specific version of Norse Recon??

I've been looking through alot of Asatru sites and haven't been able to find a good answer to that question, so I thought I'd ask it here.

Help would be much appreciated!

I would expand on Morag's reply by saying that "Germanic" is a fairly relative term, in addition to the info Morag gave...some parts of the "Germanic" tribes were once termed Celtic, so there's a bit of a crossover in certain places. There's really a whole debate as to how useful "Germanic" is in that context - Celtic or Norse, I think.

At this point I'll cop-out, based on the fact that I have basically no idea what I'm talking about from this point onwards :D

[xantangummi]

Asatru means true to the Aesir which is a family of gods.


Or if you look at the old Swedish word asatrò(asatro in mordern swedish) it could also mean "faith in the aesir" .

[mothwench]

No. There are other types of Germanic Recons out there, though the majority are specifically Asatru. Asatru means true to the Aesir which is a family of gods. There are also those who call themselves Vanatru, another family of gods. There are also Anglo-Saxon Recons around. I believe there are those who focus more on historical Icelandic practices.
yeah, but don't take the "true to the aesir" term too literally, cause most asatruar also worship the vanir.

[Wodening]

[QUOTE=cartweel]Are Asatru and Germanic (or Norse) Reconstructionism the same thing or is Asatru a specific version of Norse Recon??
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Well, yes and no. Most refer to Germanic Reconstructionism as Germanic Heathenry or just Heathenry. Some though will use Asatru to mean all of it, other as just meaning the Icelandic version. Regardless, Germanic Heathenry consists of many different forms (all related in they use more or less the same pantheon and have very similar beliefs). Some examples are Icelandic, Norse, Danish, Gothic, Anglo-Saxon (perhaps the second largest segment), Norman, and so forth. One subset is Theodisc Belief which is trying to reconstruct tribalism as well as the religion.

Welga!
Swain

[mucgwyrt]

[QUOTE=cartweel]Are Asatru and Germanic (or Norse) Reconstructionism the same thing or is Asatru a specific version of Norse Recon??
[QUOTE]

Well, yes and no. Most refer to Germanic Reconstructionism as Germanic Heathenry or just Heathenry. Some though will use Asatru to mean all of it, other as just meaning the Icelandic version. Regardless, Germanic Heathenry consists of many different forms (all related in they use more or less the same pantheon and have very similar beliefs). Some examples are Icelandic, Norse, Danish, Gothic, Anglo-Saxon (perhaps the second largest segment), Norman, and so forth. One subset is Theodisc Belief which is trying to reconstruct tribalism as well as the religion.

Welga!
Swain
How is Norman, germanic heathenry? :huh:

[Tullip Troll]

me thinks they are different.

Mhera

[mucgwyrt]

me thinks they are different.

Mhera
:uhhuhuh: I always thought the normans were french :huh: but I could be wrong...

[Atheleisia]

:uhhuhuh: I always thought the normans were french :huh: but I could be wrong...

Around 900, the Vikings had whomped on northern France so much that there wasn't much plunder to be had along the rivers that had formed their major route to attack. In 911, a Danish army led by Hrolf, arrived to smack on the lower Seine Valley.

Hrolf tried to take Chatres, and failed, but his army was enough of a threat to the Seine valley that the king of the Franks negotiated a treaty with him. Under that treaty, the land bordered by the Brestle, Epte, Dives, and Avre rivers was given to the Danes (pretty much, this land was already controlled by them; this just made it official).

In 912, Hrolf was baptised and changed him name to Rollo. (Mmm... Rollos. Those sound good this morning.) Within a couple of generations, the inhabitants became less and less Viking-ish, and adopted the Franks' language, religion, laws, and such. They were Franks in just about every way but name, and came to be known as the Normans. Normandy, the area they settled, means 'the land of the Northmen' (Nordmanni).

(I think that's all about right, at any rate. :p)

[mucgwyrt]

Around 900, the Vikings had whomped on northern France so much that there wasn't much plunder to be had along the rivers that had formed their major route to attack. In 911, a Danish army led by Hrolf, arrived to smack on the lower Seine Valley.

Hrolf tried to take Chatres, and failed, but his army was enough of a threat to the Seine valley that the king of the Franks negotiated a treaty with him. Under that treaty, the land bordered by the Brestle, Epte, Dives, and Avre rivers was given to the Danes (pretty much, this land was already controlled by them; this just made it official).

In 912, Hrolf was baptised and changed him name to Rollo. (Mmm... Rollos. Those sound good this morning.) Within a couple of generations, the inhabitants became less and less Viking-ish, and adopted the Franks' language, religion, laws, and such. They were Franks in just about every way but name, and came to be known as the Normans. Normandy, the area they settled, means 'the land of the Northmen' (Nordmanni).

(I think that's all about right, at any rate. :p)
Ahhh, I seeee! :D

[mothwench]

now i want rolos. :sadeyes:

[mucgwyrt]

now i want rolos. :sadeyes:
Ick, rolos :sick:
(I take it you dont get em in germany? I could mail you some :D )

[Laisrean]

And then the Normans went on to conquer England, Wales, and Ireland. Once in England they became Anglicanized.

[mucgwyrt]

Them dastardly normarns *oooo arrrr*
:lol:

[Aelfoak]

This might be of interest to you.

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0858386.html

[Wodening]

(I think that's all about right, at any rate. :p)

Yep, and that is how they are Germanic. Actually, the French too are heavily Germanic. The term French derives from the Germanic tribal name the Franks, who took over the area. Unfortunately, they adopted much of the Romanized Gauls' culture, including the Latinized language (much as the Normans adopted French).

Welga!
Swain

[mucgwyrt]

Yep, and that is how they are Germanic. Actually, the French too are heavily Germanic. The term French derives from the Germanic tribal name the Franks, who took over the area. Unfortunately, they adopted much of the Romanized Gauls' culture, including the Latinized language (much as the Normans adopted French).

Welga!
Swain
How come modern French then, is so different to German?

[Wodening]

As I said, the Franks adopted the language of the Romanized Gauls. The Gauls had stopped speaking their Celtic tongue at some point and started speaking Latin. When the Franks invaded, they adopted this Celtic version of Latin, and this became modern French.

Welga!
Swain

[mucgwyrt]

As I said, the Franks adopted the language of the Romanized Gauls. The Gauls had stopped speaking their Celtic tongue at some point and started speaking Latin. When the Franks invaded, they adopted this Celtic version of Latin, and this became modern French.

Welga!
Swain
I see :)

[mothwench]

Ick, rolos :sick:
(I take it you dont get em in germany? I could mail you some :D )

ya i get rolos here! :smile: thanks for the offer, tho. :ringaroun

[mucgwyrt]

Well I'll just keep them and eat them all myself so nyuh :razz: :lol:

(Apparently a few cadbury trucks got hijacked last week, and a couple of thousands pounds worth of choccy got nicked ;) )

[mothwench]

:lol: :gagged: yeah i know. it was me. *munch*

nah, just kidding. :p

[mucgwyrt]

:lol: :gagged: yeah i know. it was me. *munch*

nah, just kidding. :p
Phwoah, be careful bandying that information around, else you'll get your phone tapped :gagged: :lol: