ghosts and reincarnation

[mara]

Do the two beliefs go together? sylvia Browne for example believes in reincarnation, but I always wonder how so and so's Grandma who died in 1933 could still be around. If Grandma has been Reincarnated her soul would have moved on..right?

[Mab]

Do the two beliefs go together? sylvia Browne for example believes in reincarnation, but I always wonder how so and so's Grandma who died in 1933 could still be around. If Grandma has been Reincarnated her soul would have moved on..right?
Perhaps there is a lag between the time one passes & the time one is reincarnated--a rest period or something. Or, perhaps if one's soul is still lingering in the mist, it is preventing one from ascending to wherever one goes to be reincarnated.....:whatmewor

[Seren_]

There's a theory that the soul has plenty to go around...meaning that part of it could stay behind here, busy haunting someone or something, while another part goes on to reincarnate in a body or two or three; all with the ultimate aim of achieving whatever level of evolution it is that requires you to progress from this plane of experience. "Fracturing" the soul enables you to spiritually evolve at a faster pace...

Some souls could choose to stay behind and guide others; some ghosts could fulfil this role. Or they could be "oversouls" - the ultimate part of one soul that oversees the progress of particular lives that relate to it. These lives could either be part of its own soul (in the fractured sense), or other souls that it has been charged to look after for the sake of the "oversoul's" evolution. In theory, once we evolve from this plane, we return to the anima mundi, as some philosophies call it - the soul of the world, I think the literal translation is. But sometimes it could be that we need to experience other levels of existence before returning to this source, like taking on the role of an oversoul, maybe. Or haunting somewhere and looking after our kin, or our place?

Then again, we can't rule out the idea that ghosts can be the product of a number of things. In a paranormal/occult sense, ghosts can be caused by terrible and traumatic events which might cause a "psychic echo". This isn't necessarily an actual soul that is haunting a place, but the psychometric essence or remembrance of that event...like when we visit the site of a famous battle and feel the weight of it. Traumatic events can create this psychic echo, or a number of people remembering it and feeding it with their own thoughts and energies.

Likewise, we can remember our loved ones so much - consciously or subconsciously - that our memories can give them enough energy to manifest. This is basically like a thoughtform, a product of our mind's given form; the experience of feeling such a thoughtform, seeing it or believing in it can "feed it " enough that it takes on a life of its own so that it never moves on. By this point it might be entirely separate from its soul, perhaps even conscious in its own right.

Then again, there have even been incidents where people have claimed seeing hauntings of people who are still alive - especially people who have retired from a job they loved, and remember it fondly. So much so, that the people having fond thoughts of times past might accidentally project themselves to a particular place where other sensitive people might pick up on it. This idea of a haunting might get hold of people's imaginations, which will in turn cause other people to "see things" and possibly cause a thoughform to manifest and haunt the place as well...

And so on. :D Not sure I'm making any sense...

[indigo rain]

seren, you made perfect sense. some cool ideas, i enjoyed reading that. i was going to post that perhaps ghosts are spirits that have not moved on yet, but once they do, which they eventually will do, they can then reincarnate. like mab's lag comment. i never thought about souls fracturing though. gives me some food for thought.

[Gwynna Star]

Mmmm...

I never thought that was possible to fracture a soul. As if it can be split in 2 or 3, and so on... And each piece can go to different places.

That's a very interesting theory. Now, my brain is going to burn a fuse just thinking about this possiblity! :foh:

[Mau]

We are made of three parts. Body, spirit and soul.

You understand the body aspect..disposeable each go around here lol.

Spirit is the essence/energy of you in this life. It goes on to the otherworld, and represents this one life here. This is the part that 'haunts' or visits relatives.

Your soul is different. It is what is reincarnated. It keeps going, to every incarnation, to learn all the lessons it needs.

[Seren_]

seren, you made perfect sense. some cool ideas, i enjoyed reading that. i was going to post that perhaps ghosts are spirits that have not moved on yet, but once they do, which they eventually will do, they can then reincarnate. like mab's lag comment. i never thought about souls fracturing though. gives me some food for thought.

It's also a convenient way of explaining how reincarnation works while the population increases...there might not be just new souls that crop up in our ever expanding population...but the same soul might be fractured and walking around in several bodies even at the same time. Technically, if it's true....you could marry yourself. Or give birth to another part of your soul.... :muwaha:

Although reincarnation itself doesn't necessarily have to be linear...your next incarnation could be backwards or forwards in time. So you could end up haunting an incarnation of yourself :kooky:

[Tobias]

Do the two beliefs go together? sylvia Browne for example believes in reincarnation, but I always wonder how so and so's Grandma who died in 1933 could still be around. If Grandma has been Reincarnated her soul would have moved on..right?


We choose to reincarnate when we want to. We are all in the process of learning, and have all the time in the world to do so. She has stated in her books that people choose how fast or how slow they wish to learn what there is to know before we re-join ourselves with God.

Sylvia's spirit guide, Francine, lived only one life long ago as an Inca woman (I think). She was killed by a Conquistadora. She chose to take the time to learn how to become a guide, rather than reincarnate. Living many lives is supposed to be the fastest way to learn, but Francine says she's in no hurry.

Ghosts are people who have chosen to remain on this plain after they die. They really need to move on, because it is on the other side where everything is clearly understood and you can assess your progress and chose what to do next.

Hauntings I believe have more to do with the memories stored in a specific place. A certain person walked up the stairs in that house so many times that the memory of it is stored and repeated. In this case the soul of the person has moved on.


...I'm just repeating what I read in Sylvia's books. At this point, I personally don't even have my own opinion about reincarnation. Still waiting for more facts to come in...

[Mab]

I have always kind of agreed with the idea of a "haunting" being a psychic impression/memory left on a place.....however, I'm leaning more toward the possibility of active spirits staying behind, or visiting.....from personal experience.....

[Aleannah]

it has been my understanding that all time is concurrent...even though we have past lives and reincarnations, everything is actually happening at the same time. Or, at least, this is what one of my guides told me many years ago...I'm still trying to figure it out, but the physical limitations are making it impossible... :ahhhh:

[Fairyelf]

that it is Puff...that it is..
all these theories are just really interesting.

[Aleannah]

makes for great conversation, as none of us truly knows, eh? :flowers: