Teachers...

[Antoninus]

This is a rant/question.

Why do teachers think they can lecture/yell at you if you dont have your life mapped out?

Our Sci Fi teacher today went off on a tangent about collage and she wanted an example of a collage. She pointed at me and said "What collage are you going to?" I said "Well Im not going to collage." She just...STARED at me for a few seconds and said "See me after class." I thought she may have taken my statment wrong, atitude or whatever so I didnt think much of it. I went to her after class and she said "So your not planning to go to collage?" She asked what my plans were and she didnt like my answer so she gave me this huge lecture about "priorities" and whatnot. She asked a few questions and she got almost...mad at me, raised her voice a few times.

Grrrr!! Sorry, had to vent a little.

[Scarlet]

Well I dont think that is right... she shouldn't do that!

[Threase]

She really shouldn't... she's one of those people that has to have everything/one a certain way... lol if I were you, I'd do more things to get under her skin... ;) just me though

[Mnemosyne]

Ummm, teachers in general don't yell at students if they don't have their lives mapped out. I'm a teacher and would never do that to a student. There are many valuable professions that one can go into without a college degree.

[Aedrais]

Hmmm. She shouldn't do that at ALL.

Grrrr! I'm a senior this year, and everyone's on my back with what my future plans are. Maybe I don't KNOW yet! I'm SIXTEEEN, for the love of anyone!

So I relate.

[Zoritsa_Nepenthe]

I had a math teacher try that on me.Told me I was failing her class,and asked me if I was planning on making anything out of myself...meaning college.I told her I wasn't planning on attending college,didn't need the math class to graduate,and would have preferred to take something I enjoyed,but wasn't allowed by my counselor.No lecture luckily,and she left me alone from there on.

Good luck to you,hope she doesn't lecture or look down upon you(which while my teacher didn't say anything,I know she wasn't thrilled with me in her class afterwards)...there is no reason a teacher should lecture you on why or why not your going to continue your education,that's your business.

[Arinya]

I think I'm going to pursue the career of being a teacher and trust me, I won't lecture any student on not wanting to go to college. I'll be curious as to why they don't want too, but that's about it. People need time to plan things out and I would, if they asked, give them my opinion but I wouldn't tell them that they must go to college or they'll be a failure. My SO didn't finish college (poor guy ran out of money) and he's a factory rat because of it. Well, that is until I get out of college then I'm going to work the hours and he's going to go to college. :)

But really, you do what you must do as does everyone else. There's no reason to lecture someone because they're going in the opposite direction that you would go if you were them.

[Mindflayer]

lol, sounds almost like my dad, doesn't like what I have planned and keeps getting on my case about it.

Ignore her, she has no bearing on your life, do what you want! Be Happy! _happydanc

[Radocs]

Never had a teacher do that. Several of them gave me some advice though... looking back on it I should've taken it.

[MerrisHawk]

Why should you have to follow any plan but your own?
Adults in general spend a lot of time telling you that you don't know what the world is really like and you don't know enough to make a decision because you're just a kid.
And then.................you must show a complete career plan that meets their standards.
:geez:
Rediculous.

The only piece of absolute truth I've got is what my own dad told me:
"Whatever you do with your life, make sure it's something you like."

Now that I think on it, I'm gonna give him a call tomorrow, he never pushed me to do anything and supported my choices no matter what they were.

[Silver_FireStar]

A teacher shouldn't be doing that. Complai to the head of tthe department or headmaster, not sure on the heirarchy of your schooling system, but a teacher does not have the right to bray you if you don't want to go to college. Tell the person responsable for the teacher and let them deal with the way this teachers treating the students.

[arctic splash]

I graduated from college and where did it get me? :-/

Follow your own dreams, that's what's important. Some people, teachers or not, are stuck in their ways and won't accept other ways of doing things. My grandfather... still thinks I should go to medical school... but no way! Not for me.

I want to tell you that, even though I don't know what you're doing, I'm very proud of you for making the decision not to go to college. I really am. You're an invididual and you don't do things just because everyone else says it's what you're 'supposed to do.' If you ask me, too many people go to college... when the money they spend on tuition could better serve them in other ways. College isn't for everybody... even though, nowadays, some people seem to think it is.

I'm as philo-sophic (in the Greek sense of 'lover of wisdom') as you get... but I'm still not sure college was the best choice for me. I can think of better ways to spend a hundred thousand dollars...

[Phoenix Blue]

This is a rant/question.

Why do teachers think they can lecture/yell at you if you dont have your life mapped out?

Our Sci Fi teacher today went off on a tangent about collage and she wanted an example of a collage. She pointed at me and said "What collage are you going to?" I said "Well Im not going to collage." She just...STARED at me for a few seconds and said "See me after class." I thought she may have taken my statment wrong, atitude or whatever so I didnt think much of it. I went to her after class and she said "So your not planning to go to collage?" She asked what my plans were and she didnt like my answer so she gave me this huge lecture about "priorities" and whatnot. She asked a few questions and she got almost...mad at me, raised her voice a few times.

Grrrr!! Sorry, had to vent a little.
That whole thing means she actually gives a rat's arse about your future, nothing more, nothing less. Though if you can't spell "college," maybe it's just as well you're not planning on going to one.

[Klucky]

That whole thing means she actually gives a rat's arse about your future, nothing more, nothing less. Though if you can't spell "college," maybe it's just as well you're not planning on going to one.

*squints menacingly* You beat me...:dis:

-Klucky

[Aidron]

That whole thing means she actually gives a rat's arse about your future, nothing more, nothing less. Though if you can't spell "college," maybe it's just as well you're not planning on going to one.


My thoughts exactly. If she is your english teacher, I would be mortified.

She cares, get over it. Most teachers would probably roll their eyes and never think twice about you. They want you in and out of their class, like a major cooperation it's about moving the product. Without college life is significantly more difficult for you, so let's all just take a moment and become completely upset over one actually being caring enough to be irritated at the sight of someone who she feels might be making their life harder. :rolleyes:

[Shatril]

Well as misplaced as her approach is, I can sort of understand it. For sure she only had your best interest at heart. She just wants what is best for you, and in her opinion ( and the opinion of quite a few others) college is the next best step for high school graduates. I'm not trying to persuade you one way or the other, just giving you a little insight into her Rant (inappropriate as it was). Some people just don't understand how to communicate, and tend to push buttons and piss you off, even when they have the best intentions in the world. *heavy sigh* I hope you can look past her misguided rant, and look to the heart of her concern. She really did have your best interest at heart.

Blessed Be
Shatril

[LadyAutumnCat]

I'm going with the flow here. I too think that she has your best interest at heart, but her approach was definitely inappropriate. Although, I really wonder if she actually lectured you and yelled at you, could you have just interpreted that way because she was saying something you didn't want to hear?

You don't HAVE to go to college, but you should begin to think about what you are going to do after high school!

In a couple of years, you might look back at this teacher's words and be so glad that she said what she did! Good teachers, who really care, are far and few between, so appreciate it! I know that I have a couple of professor's who want nothing more than to see me succeed, so I find myself doing even better just to impress them!!

[MoonlightShadow]

Perhaps not the most tactful way to go about it, but if you take a step back and analyze the situation, your teacher was trying to help you. Only a poor teacher would have let that pass without a comment, especially these days.

[Antoninus]

That whole thing means she actually gives a rat's arse about your future, nothing more, nothing less. Though if you can't spell "college," maybe it's just as well you're not planning on going to one.
Collage, collage. Tomato, tomahto. Catsup, ketchup.

I cant really report her, besides I dont really care to. She made me mad and dissed my plans, but she cant exactly say shes where she wants to be so I think shes just kinda touchy about the whole thing because she never got to impilment a grandiose plan of hers.

And like I said, I cant really report her. If you want job security, be a teacher in California. After 3 years, you get tenure(sp) and they cant TOUCH you. The only thing you can really do to get fired is sleep with a student or light up a joint in class.


Perhaps not the most tactful way to go about it, but if you take a step back and analyze the situation, your teacher was trying to help you. Only a poor teacher would have let that pass without a comment, especially these days.
Mmmm...I dunno about that. A smart teacher would also probably let it pass. A smart teacher KNOWS that no matter how much you preach to a teenager, if they dont want to listen, they wont. And BELIEVE me, we've had the concept of going on after high school drilled into our heads since the first day of freshman year. So I think a SMART teacher wouldnt make much of that comment. Ither that or they would use logic to corner the kid and show him his plan for life wont work.

I had an English teacher my freshman year, Miss Pollard, awesome lady and I wish I had her for English again. This kid wanted to be a football star. Well he was, to put it mildly, very lazy. So she asked him "What happens if you cant get onto a football team?" He said something about being a coach for a lower league team, she just kept bringing it down untill he kinda saw that it was an un-feasible plan. He had all these little shortcuts and tricks to get past roadblocks but she showed him that those shortcuts really didnt exist. THAT is a smart teacher, Pollard couldve lectured him untill her lips fell off. He wouldnt have heard a word of it.

[Phoenix Blue]

Collage, collage. Tomato, tomahto. Catsup, ketchup.
:wtf: Yeah, I rest my case. Seriously, when was the last time you even cracked open a dictionary?

[charmedkisses1]

I'm still figuring that out too, hon. I'm 16 and for two years I've been trying to figure it out.
Most of the kids trying to go to college are just like you. :achillpil


_inlove_

[la tortuga]

I'm 15 and I've got a lot of my life planned out, so I don't really understand your lack of planning, but that's your choice... I'm going into college, getting my nursing degree, going in with the peace core, coming back, getting my degree as a nurse midwife and getting on with my life, because that's what I want to do. Now, most people hate it that I want to take a break in my education for ANYTHING, including my dad, but it's for the best and I can kind of get where your agitation is coming from, and I can also get that you don't think your teacher really knows what she's talking about or something because my parents had two children during college, screwed themselves over for the rest of their lives, and now tell me not to take a break... She may be attempting to make your life better than hers, she may just be trying to make sure you don't still work at Wal-Mart or have to clean out portable bathrooms when you're 40. Either way, you should take it as a compliment because sometimes adults don't hate you, they only want what's best for you...

[Klucky]

Mmmm...I dunno about that. A smart teacher would also probably let it pass. A smart teacher KNOWS that no matter how much you preach to a teenager, if they dont want to listen, they wont. And BELIEVE me, we've had the concept of going on after high school drilled into our heads since the first day of freshman year. So I think a SMART teacher wouldnt make much of that comment. Ither that or they would use logic to corner the kid and show him his plan for life wont work.

A good teacher doesn't mean a smart teacher and a poor teacher doesn't mean a dumb teacher. MS originally said a poor teacher would let that pass, and he is right. Poor teachers don't give a crap about you, good teachers do. Intelligence doesn't have anything to do with caring.

How can she show you your plan for life won't work if you don't have a plan to begin with?

-Klucky

[MorningDove030202]

College is a good idea. It builds charachter and there are lots of classes that pretain to pagan stuff.
Dove

[Antoninus]

:wtf: Yeah, I rest my case. Seriously, when was the last time you even cracked open a dictionary?
Ok, forgive me if this is rather harsh, but this is something that gets under my skin. When people pick at spelling, unless its absolutely horrid, it makes me think you arent looking at what Im saying. Plus it tells me you have nothing else intelegent to say but you want to be a thorn and cause some irritation. Im sorry if this is a bit harsh but it REALLY chaps my rear when people do it.

[Aes Sidhe]

Teachers get all they deserve... it is the rare RARE teacher that cares about their students, and not about just doing a job for a pay-check.

Because of this, if I ever have kids, their names are going to be all but unpronouncable from the spelling, but really simple from the sound, so whenever a teacher calls out their name in class, they will stutter for like, 20 minutes on what is a very EASY name.

for example:

"Mary" will be spelt "meighraeie"

[Antoninus]

Ohhhh man, teachers BUTCHER my name, "Kieran"

[Phoenix Blue]

Ok, forgive me if this is rather harsh, but this is something that gets under my skin. When people pick at spelling, unless its absolutely horrid, it makes me think you arent looking at what Im saying. Plus it tells me you have nothing else intelegent to say but you want to be a thorn and cause some irritation. Im sorry if this is a bit harsh but it REALLY chaps my rear when people do it.
Your spelling is "absolutely horrid," which is why I said something about it in the first place. Seriously, if your résumé looks like your posts here when you start looking for jobs in the real world, most of the jobs you'll actually get will involve, "Would you like fries with that?"

Bad spelling and an apathetic attitude tell me you have nothing intelligent to say at all, especially if I'm an employer looking to hire you. Your attitude here tells me you just don't care about getting passed up for jobs you might actually like because you can't be bothered to spend any effort on improving your own literacy skills.

If this seems harsh, it's because I'm trying to make a point. There's nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to go to college, but it seems pretty clear to me that you don't have any intention to plan for your own success in your future. Unless McDonalds or Applebee's is your idea of a dream job, you might want to reconsider.

[Erebus]

Oh, don't be so silly, PB. Of course Anty will get his dream job. He knows everything, after all.

[Abren]

at our school all we hear about at the moment is where we are going to do our work experience. it's driving me nuts.
I know Exactly what i am gonna do with my life, it's not what i want but it is what i am gonna do, and i can't do work experience there so i don't know where i am going.
possibly my old school for a week.

[mama reflecting]

Collage, collage. Tomato, tomahto. Catsup, ketchup.

Honey, a "collage" is something you make with cut-out pieces of paper. It's pronounced "koh-laj" (the "aj" like the z in "azure." Like "shjz". It's French.)

col·lage n.

1.
1. An artistic composition of materials and objects pasted over a surface, often with unifying lines and color.
2. A work, such as a literary piece, composed of both borrowed and original material.
2. The art of creating such compositions.
3. An assemblage of diverse elements: a collage of conflicting memories.


v. col·laged, col·lag·ing, col·lages
v. tr.

To paste (diverse materials) over a surface, thereby creating an artistic product.


v. intr.

To create such an artistic product.


(French, from coller, to glue, from colle, glue, from Vulgar Latin *colla, from Greek kolla.)

Catsup

Catchup \Catch"up\, Catsup \Cat"sup\, n. (Probably of East Indian origin, because it was originally a kind of East Indian pickles.) A table sauce made from mushrooms, tomatoes, walnuts, etc. (Written also ketchup.) **not quite the same as our garden-varety heinz tomato ketchup.**

(all from Dictionary.com)

And yes, I'm picking particularly on your blatent disreguard for spelling. o_O I personally feel that post was a sort of flame-baiting, since any person who's first language is either English or French should know the difference between "Collage" and "College", and wouldn't compare them with the *pronounciation* of "tomato", which is spelled the same way no matter how you say it.

[Xentor]

Stop picking on his spelling. There's worse things than bad spelling.

[Phoenix Blue]

Stop picking on his spelling. There's worse things than bad spelling.
Yes, like apathy and arrogance...

[Aidron]

Stop picking on his spelling. There's worse things than bad spelling.


Yes, such as someone who cares enough to show the importance of putting thought into your future. Let's not see it from that angle though. Let us all become instantly offended and defensive. Mmhmm.

P.S. We have a SpellCheck feature now everyone.

[Threase]

Yes, like apathy and arrogance...

Ouch.. you trying to be mean? All the boy wanted to do was let off some steam...

[nomadicdragon]

Yes, like apathy and arrogance...

*edited from sheer apathy*

[Threase]

P.S. We have a SpellCheck feature now everyone.

Yeah, but collage is an actual word isn't it? So it would just pass through the spellcheck like it was nothing...

Anyways, that's not the point. The point is that all Andy wanted to do was let off steam, so eveyone let it go. Maybe his plans don't involve a need for college. That's his Prerogative. He DOES have a plan, just not one a teacher would deem ideal. So let's give him a little slack, okay?

[Phoenix Blue]

Yeah, but collage is an actual word isn't it? So it would just pass through the spellcheck like it was nothing...
That's true. :) That's why education is important in the first place!


Anyways, that's not the point. The point is that all Andy wanted to do was let off steam, so eveyone let it go. Maybe his plans don't involve a need for college. That's his Prerogative. He DOES have a plan, just not one a teacher would deem ideal. So let's give him a little slack, okay?
People here have reminded me and others on numerous occasions that this is an open forum. That means that when you post a rant, you don't really get to dictate the response. In this case, the majority of responses have been that, hey, maybe that teacher had a point; maybe that teacher was trying to look out for him, rather than trying to nag him.

It's also worth noting that Antonius didn't say in this thread that he has other plans. If you know him personally and know that he has other plans, that's all good, but how is anyone else supposed to know that unless he tells them?

[Semele]

P.S. We have a SpellCheck feature now everyone.Know what else we have? Ignore feature. I suggest you use it to be assured you only have to read perfectly phrased and well thought out, properly spelled posts.

[Blair]

Disregarding your spelling mistakes, I'm gonna give some advice....

It's ok to not want to go to college. It's not for everyone, exactly why they have entrance exams. But you are going to have problems finding a good paying job with only a high school diploma. I suggest you get some sort of certificate in a specific area of study, more than one would be better. Or try going to a vocational or technical school. But if you're perfectly happy with never rising above shift manager feel free to stop your education after high school. The only other option is phsycal labor such as construction but if that what you want that's fine.

[Aidron]

Or lets all just put on our high and mighty outfits and look down our well spoken, better spelling snouts at others. What exactly are you doing with your life Raven? What is your eloquent manner of speech getting you out of life? What is your job again? How do you spell beguiler?

This isn't a matter of me spelling better than him or me looking my nose down upon him. This is about a teacher who actually may truly have cared enough to try and help the lad. How many of you parents complain that teachers seem apathetic in this day and age? I know I met quite a few when I was in high school, let alone the rest of my public school career. Sure, they may address their point in a hostile fashion, but perhaps it may be that they are sick of seeing kids slip through the cracks and refusing to care not only about their own future, but themselves.

What am I doing with my life? Irrelevant to the post at hand.
What as my eloquent manner of speech gotten me out of my life? 1st place in several writing and spelling contests, which I am proud of and had to work hard for as no one is a great speller or articulate in their wording from day one.
What is my job? Looking for one, and that is the hardest job of all.
How do you spell it? You just did, so you tell me, and insinuating things about me has no effect.


Know what else we have? Ignore feature. I suggest you use it to be assured you only have to read perfectly phrased and well thought out, properly spelled posts.

I'm not the one bashing him over his misspellings. I mentioned them once, big deal. :rolleyes:

[Aidron]

Yeah, but collage is an actual word isn't it? So it would just pass through the spellcheck like it was nothing...



Yes, it would, but the point is if everyone is going to get this upset over misspellings perhaps we should all use it a bit more.

[Kyan's Daddy]

Well, here's my $.02:

Sure, your teacher was a bit rough on you. Maybe she wants you to go to college and give yourself opportunities that you might not even know about.

As for the person who responded "Hello, I'm 16, I don't even know what I want to do yet", here's a little life lesson, free of charge:

Nobody knows what they really want to do with their life when they are 16. That's just a fact. But here's the thing: The decisions you make at that age are what determines the outcome of the rest of your life. Sure, class is stupid, boring, lame, whatever... But, the things you do and learn now are what will make your life easier to deal with when you are older. Is that a lot of pressure to put on a teenager? Yep. Life isn't fair though. You just want to hang out with your friends, watch TV, go to parties, play video games, etc, etc, right? What's the harm in that?

Well, here's a little story for you: When I was in high school, everything came easy to me. In fact, it was too easy... The stuff that they would teach, I could figure out on my own. Turns out, I had a pretty decent IQ, high enough that I'm a member of Mensa. However, the fact that it was easy, coupled with my ADD, it was just easier to ditch class everyday and only show up for tests... Which I did. I think my senior year of high school, I had 48 absences each semester. Sure, I went to the beach... I went to the movies... I slept in until 11 or noon... But on test day, I would show up, get a perfect score, then leave again. Homework? Who needs it? I obviously understand the material, right? So, when it came time for me to apply to colleges, nobody would take me... Even though I had a 1450 SAT score... Turns out that homework and other "meaningless" crap I missed lowered my g.p.a. enough to take me out of the running. So now, here I am at 31 years old, finally getting ready to finish college to go on to medical school... If I could go back in time to when I was in junior high and high school, I would beat myself. Sure, I have a decent job that pays about $70,000 a year... But, I had to join the Navy to get the education for it. Sure, I have a wife and a son who I adore... But, I could have already been providing a much better life for them if I had made some smarter decisions when I was younger, or if I had somebody telling me the things I'm telling you guys now.

You can sit there and cry and moan about how some mean teacher is upset that you aren't going to college, or you can realize this person has a lot more life experience than you and knows where that other path, the path you are on, can lead. Can you have a fulfilling life without college? Sure. Can you get a good job without college? Sure. But, can college show you opportunities you didn't know existed? Yes. Can college help you mature, find yourself, and make the rest of your life more successful? Absolutely.

It's a lot of pressure to put on a kid, but that's the way life works. Hopefully you will reconsider college and you will realize that an education is far more valuable than just wasting your time... Your friends aren't going to pay your bills. TV isn't going to pay your bills. Video games won't pay your bills. Going to parties won't pay your bills.

Is it sinking in yet?

[Nighthawk]

Perhaps it is the secondary education that is not that important. However, knowing what you want and where you are going, or trying to go that is.... I am not so worried about the spelling, as I was raised by an man who has two engineering degrees...(So, it is a Master's) and I did many of his spelling corrections as a child...
What I will say, is that when an instructor calls you aside to speak to you personally, take heed, for they probably actually care, and as I can tell you, people that really care about you are very, very rare indeed. You can listen politely and say thank you, then walk out the door and do whatever you want with your life. They have more than likely been where you are.....anyway, my two cents..

[Nighthawk]

ANd..the post by Kya'n Daddy.. Uh huh, I agree. I too have been there.. and he is right..it IS the meaningless crap that really does get looked at..

[Kyan's Daddy]

Although, I really wonder if she actually lectured you and yelled at you, could you have just interpreted that way because she was saying something you didn't want to hear?

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner!

[Semele]

This isn't a matter of me spelling better than him or me looking my nose down upon him.
Then why do so?


What is my job? Looking for one, and that is the hardest job of all.
Check with Applebee's.:smoke:


Yes, it would, but the point is if everyone is going to get this upset over misspellings perhaps we should all use it a bit more.
Or perhaps those of us with busy lives can go ahead and feel free to post and know that the majority of the time, despite spelling errors, you know what we are trying to say. We are not trying out for a writing competition here, we are communicating. I understood perfectly well that you meant to say "what HAS my...rather than What as my eloquent manner of speech gotten me out of my life?" Yet I have the urge to nitpick and point out your flaws as you and others have done to Antoninus.

I mean, come on, is that the only thing you can rag him about? ;)

[Aidron]

Then why do so?

Check with Applebee's.:smoke:

Or perhaps those of us with busy lives can go ahead and feel free to post and know that the majority of the time, despite spelling errors, you know what we are trying to say. We are not trying out for a writing competition here, we are communicating. I understood perfectly well that you meant to say "what HAS my...rather than What as my eloquent manner of speech gotten me out of my life?" Yet I have the urge to nitpick and point out your flaws as you and others have done to Antoninus.

I mean, come on, is that the only thing you can rag him about? ;)


I'm not ragging about him, and I make flaws just as anyone else, but a typo is completely different than most misspellings. If anything, it is you who are attempting to rag me, but hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and that is that. ;)

[Jackiedanielz]

Check with Applebee's.:smoke:

Have you ever wondered how many of your members may work or know someone who works here? Maybe waitressing is not something you consider a career but how about those who are area director or general manager? Last time I checked you do not need a college degree for those positions either.


Or lets all just put on our high and mighty outfits and look down our well spoken, better spelling snouts at others. What exactly are you doing with your life Raven? What is your eloquent manner of speech getting you out of life? What is your job again? How do you spell beguiler?


Maybe as site goddess you may think twice before jumping in on someone, using them as an example to others, because they are harping on Andy for spelling.
I also think that being site goddess you should be setting an example to others on the rules of flaming instead of being the instigator.

[Calyx]

Have you ever wondered how many of your members may work or know someone who works here? Maybe waitressing is not something you consider a career but how about those who are area director or general manager? Last time I checked you do not need a college degree for those positions either.



Maybe as site goddess you may think twice before jumping in on someone, using them as an example to others, because they are harping on Andy for spelling.
I also think that being site goddess you should be setting an example to others on the rules of flaming instead of being the instigator.

So it's ok for everyone else to jump on the snarky bandwagon, but not Semele? How hypocritical.

[Kyan's Daddy]

Maybe as site goddess you may think twice before jumping in on someone, using them as an example to others, because they are harping on Andy for spelling.
I also think that being site goddess you should be setting an example to others on the rules of flaming instead of being the instigator.

Especially because she spelled it "goddes" not "goddess" LOL

[Xentor]

That's enough.

Thread closed.

[Semele]

Have you ever wondered how many of your members may work or know someone who works here?
I apologise. I was refering to the comment made by PB. I have worked in the food industry and I know it is hard work and I have the utmost respect for those who work there. I was really trying to illustrate that there are positions availiable and most people who are "looking for work" fail to see that.




Maybe as site goddess you may think twice before jumping in on someone, using them as an example to others, because they are harping on Andy for spelling.
Well, I am a member also, not just the site goddess. And to me, the best cure for someone who is doing their best to belittle others is to give a taste of it back. *shrugs*


I also think that being site goddess you should be setting an example to others on the rules of flaming instead of being the instigator.
Aye. I did. Edited.