Is there really telekenisis?

[nvrgnabok07]

Okay, so first of all. Shhh. my spelling sucks. But I was wondering if you think there really is telekenisis? Have you ever done it? Ever seen it? How do you do it (if it's real...)? Just a silly question. But I'm excited to hear some replies about it.

[Lunacie]

Yes I do, and I'm involved in a scientific experiment to prove it, but I promised not to reveal any details until the results are in. Sorry that sounds flaky I know.

[Teresa]

yes it exists

[Amethyst Rose]

Never seen it...don't have any evidence of it...not inclined to believe people who say they've done it. In short, I don't believe in it.

[Amethyst Rose]

yes it exists

How do you know? Do you have proof? Have you done it? Seen it?

Skeptical minds want to know.... :D

[indigo rain]

i've always been curious about this too. it's something i'm fascinated with but am very skeptical of at the same time. i almost always have this power in my dreams, and i know alot of people have powers in their dreams, but this one specifically keeps popping up. i never experience any others, except flying, which i feel like goes with telekinesis, only you're moving yourself and not something else.

i look forward to reading the replies.

[alesay]

Lunacie~ Yeah that does sound flakey! LOL but whatever!! as long as you're tellin the truth, do your thing!! :D

[Enigma]

I believe in psychic ability but not in telekinetic powers. I've thought about it and analyzed human anatomy and I can find no scientific way a person can emit telekinetic energy.
ESP, clairvoyance, even precognition are all scientifically explainable, but to my understanding, not telekinesis.

Enigma

[9-2-2]

I believe in telekinesis, and have performed it one time. But I don't see what the big deal is with telekinesis being "untrue"... I'm not bashing anyone's opinions, but I feel that's a strange thing to see on a metaphysical board dealing with issues outside of mundane reality, lol. Manipulating physical energies is little different than manipulating etheric and psychic energy, only more difficult.

I believe in psychic ability but not in telekinetic powers. I've thought about it and analyzed human anatomy and I can find no scientific way a person can emit telekinetic energy.
ESP, clairvoyance, even precognition are all scientifically explainable, but to my understanding, not telekinesis.

Enigma

Whoa, there. Psychic ability is still being scoffed at by perhaps most of the scientists in the world. It cannot be scientifically measured. Secondly, it's silly to pin up one system of thought for measuring and observation by a totally different system of thought. If you needed science to explain everything, then being psychic would be a silly and illogical concept, right?
Science is not the only truth out there. In fact, science is a form of magick grounded in physical reality and forces. But it's not the end-all be-all for everything in existence. I'm not saying that this is what you said, but I found it peculiar that you needed to compare psychic abilities to non-psychic laws. :flowers:

[Celtique]

I'd like to believe, but I can't honestly say I do.

[înnerpoînt]

Yes, I believe telekenesis exists. Through visualization, you can make things move. I have a balanced tool that is used to train telekenetic energy. With practice, it gets easier and easier to make it spin. However, I don't think that telekenesis will ever be able to move very large objects.
But, what do I know, right? :shift:

[Enigma]

I believe in telekinesis, and have performed it one time. But I don't see what the big deal is with telekinesis being "untrue"... I'm not bashing anyone's opinions, but I feel that's a strange thing to see on a metaphysical board dealing with issues outside of mundane reality, lol. Manipulating physical energies is little different than manipulating etheric and psychic energy, only more difficult.

Manipulating physical energies is undeniably much easier than manipulating ethereal or psychic energy. And vastly different. *picks up a glass of water* there I manipulated physical energy. But I did it through physical interaction.
I believe that there is no way a person can exert direct energy on an object without physical interaction on one level or another.
I'm not saying I don't want to believe it to be real, I'm just saying I don't. It would be nice if it were real. Of course I don't claim to know everything about physics or psychics. But I am not without some understanding.


Whoa, there. Psychic ability is still being scoffed at by perhaps most of the scientists in the world. It cannot be scientifically measured. Secondly, it's silly to pin up one system of thought for measuring and observation by a totally different system of thought. If you needed science to explain everything, then being psychic would be a silly and illogical concept, right?

No, psychic ability is not a silly or illogical concept.
It is a simple perception of energy patterns on the subconscious mind.
The mind functions on energy. Every time someone speaks their brain emits energy impulses which proceed the spoken thought. Another mind has the ability to pick up on these energy emissions. The energy patterns always accompany the spoken words. If one is perceptive enough they will subconsciously recognize the energy patterns and associate them with the words which come after the pattern emissions.
This is one reason people can say the exact same thing at the exact same time, think of the same song which has not been heard in months at the exact same time. It only takes one person to think of it and the energy will cause the other brain to think in the same or similar energy patterns. It is not very inconceivable.


Science is not the only truth out there. In fact, science is a form of magick grounded in physical reality and forces. But it's not the end-all be-all for everything in existence. I'm not saying that this is what you said, but I found it peculiar that you needed to compare psychic abilities to non-psychic laws. :flowers:

Science *is* existence. By it's very nature it encompasses everything and anything possible. Even the unexplained will be scientific at it's core, yes even magic. If it *exists* it is science. Science is not a form of magic. Magic is a form of science. ;)

Enigma

[9-2-2]

Manipulating physical energies is undeniably much easier than manipulating ethereal or psychic energy. And vastly different. *picks up a glass of water* there I manipulated physical energy. But I did it through physical interaction.
I believe that there is no way a person can exert direct energy on an object without physical interaction on one level or another.

Lol, just to make sure we're on the same page here, physically picking up a glass of water with your body isn't the same as telekinesis :p :)
I think it's possible to direct energy to an object without physical interaction. I enchant things, after all. :) But with physical forces, it's possible to perform such things as increase the rate at which food decays, affect the weather slightly, etc. This is not to say that anyone I know including myself can instantly make a banana explode into moldy grime, or call a tornado down in 5 seconds. As magick affects and influences things in all levels of existence, why should the physical be special and excluded? :)

No, psychic ability is not a silly or illogical concept.

Of course psychic abilities aren't silly. But try convincing that to the countless numbers of scientists who live in our world.

It is a simple perception of energy patterns on the subconscious mind. The mind functions on energy. Every time someone speaks their brain emits energy impulses which proceed the spoken thought. Another mind has the ability to pick up on these energy emissions. The energy patterns always accompany the spoken words. If one is perceptive enough they will subconsciously recognize the energy patterns and associate them with the words which come after the pattern emissions.
This is one reason people can say the exact same thing at the exact same time, think of the same song which has not been heard in months at the exact same time. It only takes one person to think of it and the energy will cause the other brain to think in the same or similar energy patterns. It is not very inconceivable.

That's called telepathy and empathy. ;)
I know quite well what magick is, but I don't limit magick to simply the domain of the mind. But if psychic ability were simply perception, then one could say that psychics could not psychically make changes to the reality around them.
But I find your logic faulty. Your remarks such as "If one is perceptive enough they will subconsciously recognize the energy patterns and associate them with the words which come after the pattern emissions." and "It only takes one person to think of it and the energy will cause the other brain to think in the same or similar energy patterns." are not quite psychic abilities. Your first remark is talking, which can be a very poor medium of communication indeed. Words may send up flags of meanings in the listener's mind, but the listener does not get the full meaning and experience that the speaker has. I could describe to you a poetic scene of a beautiful landscape, and you still would not see what I have. With your second remark, I can say that there are more than plenty of "psychically dense" people in the world. Not stupid, but simply not psychic. You may carry on a normal conversation with a mundane person to get them to thinking in the same or a similar pattern as yourself without applying energy work. This is called a conversation. :)

Science *is* existence. By it's very nature it encompasses everything and anything possible. Even the unexplained will be scientific at it's core, yes even magic. If it *exists* it is science. Science is not a form of magic. Magic is a form of science. ;)

If science is existence, then we're in trouble. Science has rarely been constant (no pun intended) and concrete in the past, even now. Scientists argue over theories like mages argue over magickal laws. Science has designed theories and laws in the past that have been horribly refuted. Take, for example, the theory that Mars once had civilization because some guy saw "rivers" and "oceans" on the planet's surface, or the law that ether existed. Today, scientists are debating over the string theory, Stephen Hawking's ideas, chaos, and all sorts of other things... and still, these "lawmakers of reality" are having some trouble with agreeing on how reality should be narrowly boxed in to limited human thought.
I doubt that existence strictly follows the laws of science. Paranormal activity, i.e. psychic abilities, stand outside of science and in a field of its own. Psychic abilities do work, but they don't follow the laws of science unless you make them, conciously or subconciously. The idea of science came long after the birth of humankind. In fact, science is a more recent human idea. It also does not encompass everything and anything possible. It only encompasses what humans know, and concerns itself with easily and readily defined and measured things.

Oh, and another tip: Magick existed long before science. :flowers:

[Enigma]

Lol, You are truly amusing.

I never doubted the importance of conversation.., I think perhaps you should re-read my post. I believe you will find that you are reading into it things that I did not say. I did not say that you could get a mirror image of the persons thoughts.., just an impression. I did not say that everyone was able to be aware of these impressions either. Yes I know quite a few *dense* people unfortunately.

The ability for the human brain to have it's energy affected by other energy patterns *is* being psychically aware. Just because it is science does not mean it is not psychic. I don't think it takes any of the mystique out of it.

And to the last statements. Science is *science.* Science is not *scientists.*
Science *is*. We are simply observers of the reality trying to make sense of it. Scientists can misinterpret the information only to discover the truth later. But the truth never changes it is still the science we are trying to understand.
Science never designed the theories, the scientists did. The theories are simply the way the scientists try to explain the science.
It *does* encompass everything in existence, scientists simply do not *know* all of the science.
And science is rarely easily defined. It is infinitely complex.

You can affect the environment with only your mind. Without employing something external or physical? How?
Perhaps you would explain this to me as I am very curious. No really.., I am. :confused:



Enigma

[Enigma]

Oh one more thing, sorry.

I would just like to mention that you don't have to apply the energy work for the energy patterns to be sent out. The pattern is simply an energy wake from the thought process. It is a by-product of thinking and uncontrollable. It simply happens wether you try to make it happen or not.

Enigma

[Lunacie]

Lol, just to make sure we're on the same page here, physically picking up a glass of water with your body isn't the same as telekinesis :p :)
I think it's possible to direct energy to an object without physical interaction. I enchant things, after all. :) But with physical forces, it's possible to perform such things as increase the rate at which food decays, affect the weather slightly, etc. This is not to say that anyone I know including myself can instantly make a banana explode into moldy grime, or call a tornado down in 5 seconds. As magick affects and influences things in all levels of existence, why should the physical be special and excluded? :)

...
Oh, and another tip: Magick existed long before science. :flowers:

I haven't made a banana explode into moldy grime *shudder* but I have changed the consistency of the filling in a Twinkie from creamy to slimy.

I haven't called down a tornado in 5 seconds, but I have disrupted the energy of an F3 tornado making it become an F1 tornado.

I believe magic and science are usually the same thing, but using different language to describe the effects.

[HolographicJoe]

Well, the stories come from somewhere. And I knew a girl whose mother could turn the TV set off sans remote.

[Sleet]

If science is existence, then we're in trouble.

It is, however, the most wildly successful tool for describing, predicting, and manipulating the world around us that humanity has yet devised. For instance, it's responsible for that nifty computer you're using right now. ;)

[Sleet]

But I don't see what the big deal is with telekinesis being "untrue"... I'm not bashing anyone's opinions, but I feel that's a strange thing to see on a metaphysical board dealing with issues outside of mundane reality, lol.

Being a practitioner of a minority religion does not require one to believe everything one hears. ;)

[mystic_firefae]

I believe in telekinesis.......I think it's the movement of energy in a swift motion that moves and object with mass....they have thes little things (i don't knwo what theyre called) bbut they look like shaped aluminum foil with 4 points, like a cross, with a dent in the center....it's placed on a needle which has a base and you move it with energy......you start with both hands, move to one, then put a glass over it......so on......it's cool, I've played with them and they work.......

Love & Light
Camie

[Nephthys]

9-2-2, I think maybe it should be good if you re-read the post you are constantly quoting, because I don't think you understand what he means to say on every point.

If science is existence, then we're in trouble. Science has rarely been constant (no pun intended) and concrete in the past, even now. Scientists argue over theories like mages argue over magickal laws. Science has designed theories and laws in the past that have been horribly refuted. Take, for example, the theory that Mars once had civilization because some guy saw "rivers" and "oceans" on the planet's surface, or the law that ether existed. Today, scientists are debating over the string theory, Stephen Hawking's ideas, chaos, and all sorts of other things... and still, these "lawmakers of reality" are having some trouble with agreeing on how reality should be narrowly boxed in to limited human thought.
I doubt that existence strictly follows the laws of science. Paranormal activity, i.e. psychic abilities, stand outside of science and in a field of its own. Psychic abilities do work, but they don't follow the laws of science unless you make them, conciously or subconciously. The idea of science came long after the birth of humankind. In fact, science is a more recent human idea. It also does not encompass everything and anything possible. It only encompasses what humans know, and concerns itself with easily and readily defined and measured things.

Oh, and another tip: Magick existed long before science. :flowers:

Science has not always held the same beliefs it has now, but I see that as the most important and frankly the best quality of science. It shows that science can chance if new things are being found out. It would be wrong to hold to old beliefs if you find the proof that they are wrong.
Science involves quite a lot of things and I don't doubt that one day all sorts of paranormal activities will be able to be scientifically explained. Science is constantly growing and we keep on beeing able to explain more and more things.

[Valnorran]

Never seen it performed, never seen any evidence for it. If someone can conclusively prove it exists, okay, but until then I'm not buying it.

[indigo rain]

I believe in telekinesis, and have performed it one time.

so what exactly did you do, and how did you develop this ability?

[Aurin]

Yes, I believe in the *possibility* of TK.

Why? Well, that's simple - All those cutesy little TK things that people have been mentioning? I've played with one and yes have gotten it to move slightly (under glass - Sorry, but NO I wasn't breathing on it ;-)) .

[Radocs]

When someone can demonstrate it for me I'll believe it.

[nvrgnabok07]

Hey, can we please get back to the issue? The issue isn't what you all are arguing about.. Let's listen and be heard. I didn't want this to be a debate team meeting...

[Amethyst Rose]

We never left the issue....and there really isn't any debate going on. Regarless, in a public forum you're going to get debate, especially on a topic like this one. :)

Edit: Ohhh.... are you talking about the whole science thing? Looks like the topic's back on track now.

[Lunacie]

Here's an interesting site with several simple experiments you can try for yourself:
http://members.aol.com/dstnysangei/telekenisis.html

If I didn't have to get ready for work now I'd try the toothpick in the bowl of water. :)

[BlueTicona]

-dont mean to 'barge in' here...but a 'heads up' on that link.

I've gotten every single item on that list on that url to work. Although 2 of them took a bunch of time for me to get 'em right...

So yea, I believe it is possible. Hell, my mother used to levitate when I was growing up so I was open to many different practices throughout the years. As far as telekinesis? I have seen bits and pieces of this sort of practies but for a full object to go the distance...no I haven't. But yes I do believe that it exists.

[BlueTicona]

btw: i kept blowing the damn candle out...but now i can light the little tea candles by the tub...yay! but i get like a headache and my head sways side to side when trying to concentrate. (If only I had a bigger brain :\ ) lol

[9-2-2]

Lol, You are truly amusing.

Hmm. I had thought about replying to your post, but your attitude is not worth my time. I had hoped to have a normal discussion without finding arrogance, but my hopes had been dashed yet again. Well, before I leave this thread for the rather acidic remarks, I'll answer indigo rain's question.

so what exactly did you do, and how did you develop this ability?

When I was 15 years old (am now 20), I had stormed into my bedroom after being knocked around by the "tender, loving graces" of my father (note: sarcasm), hopped into bed, and started drawing. I turned on the radio to listen to rock music to release my anger in my art, and enchant my work with my rage... about 2 minutes into drawing, I felt my energy "adhere" to something. Then, the radio stations started flipping like crazy. The dial wasn't turning, but the FM stations were changing like mad. I got country, gospel, talk radio, rap, hip-hop, some rock, lots more country, a Christian talk station, and lots and lots of static. My first reaction was to turn the radio off and then on... and it worked normally. My second reaction was to realize what had happened, and to write it down.

I haven't developed this ability at all, but I will soon train with it. :)
Thanks to Lunacie, for providing a useful link. I'll post it up in the group with your accredation (sp?).

See you later, folks. :)

[indigo rain]

Here's an interesting site with several simple experiments you can try for yourself:
http://members.aol.com/dstnysangei/telekenisis.html

If I didn't have to get ready for work now I'd try the toothpick in the bowl of water. :)

thanks for the link. i love playing with this stuff. i try to keep an open mind.

[Sequoia]

At one point in time, I made a ball of tin foil wiggle a little. :p Most impressive.

I don't think I've seen any blatent displays of telekenisis. I do have a friend who can create a very small flame, but the effort required usually makes him sick for a few days afterword. So it's not like he lights candles without a book of matches. :lol: What is that called? Pyro-something?

[arctic splash]

I am not going to debate the issue because I know from experience that TK is real. I'm amazed that it's real... but I know, just the same... and I wish I could show all you agnostics and non-believers out there, because it's an amazing thing to see. :)

[michellek]

I believe........do you have any idea how powerful our brain/thoughts/energy are? I wish i could do it, you have no idea how many times I've gone to bed and gotten comfortable only to find out I left the bathroom door open....haaaaa. I've tried to make it shut, but alas, it would not cooperate.

[KimberSly]

I believe in it :)

[Enigma]

Hmm. I had thought about replying to your post, but your attitude is not worth my time. I had hoped to have a normal discussion without finding arrogance, but my hopes had been dashed yet again. Well, before I leave this thread for the rather acidic remarks, I'll answer indigo rain's question.


I'm sorry for the offensive remark. _pounce_

[Aedyn]

I've been interested in this matter for a long time, but never focused my time into it. Thanks for the link I will try it out!! :fpeek: <-- Bad Peeping tom!

[Marchosias]

. Then, the radio stations started flipping like crazy. The dial wasn't turning, but the FM stations were changing like mad. I got country, gospel, talk radio, rap, hip-hop, some rock, lots more country, a Christian talk station, and lots and lots of static. My first reaction was to turn the radio off and then on... and it worked normally. My second reaction was to realize what had happened, and to write it down.


So, the radio goes a bit crazy, but returns to normal when fiddled(turned on/off) with?

Was telekinesis the first thing you considered happened?

[9-2-2]

*hops back into thread* Hello again. :)

So, the radio goes a bit crazy, but returns to normal when fiddled(turned on/off) with?

Was telekinesis the first thing you considered happened?

Telekinesis was not the first thing that I considered. After my old man went into his room to pray about how much of a "hellion" I am, I went out to get his toolbox in the closet. I came back, and turned it on to test how it played. I turned it off and on repeatedly, changed stations, FM/AM, and the volume. Sounded pretty normal. Then I unscrewed the casing to see if anything inside was fried. I'm not a super engineer, but I can tell if a piece of technology is fried. Everything looked fine.
Then I smacked myself. Being a budding Wiccan (well, Wiccan at the time), why wasn't I looking at it energetically??? So I felt for energy on the thing. I sensed a spiky, negative resonance that was quickly fading... and there was a weird, energetic "taste" in the air of EM displacement. I pick up EM displacement pretty easily, that's how I can tell when the power's about to go out. :)
It's like, if someone turns on a TV but you can't hear it (muted or 0 volume), you can sense it being turned on. It emits EM waves. Or try putting a cell phone by a computer speaker that's turned on... if someone calls you, the speaker will emit a weird buzzing noise from the cell phone's EM. That's a similar feeling I got from sensing the fading resonance on the radio.

But after all of that, THAT is when I considered telekinesis.

[Aidron]

I do believe in it and can perform it to limited degrees. Granted, I have been attempting to hone this skill for years, and please, do not equate me with Prue from Charmed-I'm so far from that it's not even funny and may never even be able to reach a level close to what they portrayed her abilities as on the show.

There are times when I have performed telekinetic acts unintentionally, and cases where I do it intentionally. The latter being more common, but less dramatic.

Examples of unintentional telekinesis:

I've slammed more than a few doors in my life.
Shattered a glass-and yes I said "a glass", as in only one.
Various small objects from feathers to pieces of paper and pencils.

Examples of intentional telekinesis:

Pendelums
Needles floating in water
Candle flames
Smoke
Paper suspended on a needle stuck in a cork


I may be leaving some things out, and in fact I imagine I am given I have been practicing for several years and before that did experience unintentional telekinesis.

However, I'm a skeptic, and as such I want solid proof before I accept something as fact. Hence I have been very detailed and scrutinizing in my experiments. No windows may be opened in the house as I do not want any draft to somehow make its way under my door crack. No fans may be on within three rooms of my room-and definitely not in my room. I only allow myself to breathe through my nose so that the exhaled carbon dioxide is projected downward and not forward and possibly interfere with the object(s).

I don't ask anyone to believe in, just as I don't ask anyone to believe in anything I do-and I also do not demonstrate my skills simply to prove the existence of them to others. I may be unable to as far as I know, since I have never tried. Perhaps the gaze of another would interfere with my focus and create tension for me. So, I never perform this act intentionally in front of others just as I never perform my sacred rituals in front of another individual intentionally.

[Ron]

I most certainly do believe in telekinesis. If you've ever seen the way people levitate during mediation... or if you've ever caused harm to a cursèd something (ie. negative thoughts result in physical action).. there's no way I could ever deny it.

[9-2-2]

I have been practicing since Sunday, and I'm pretty excited by my results!!! n_n

And no, I didn't do anything wild like slap people from across the room or summon drinks to my hands, lol. :p

I filled a bowl with water and put a sewing needle in. I drew in etheric energy from all around, and channeled it to my middle finger (personally, I like to use that finger a lot... thus, I relate it to "willpower", lol). I "pulled" the needle along the circumference of the bowl, then straight through the bowl's center. It took me approximately 20 min., and it was so much fun! I didn't concern myself so much with the technique that I lost focus, but I did feel a strong tingling sensation in my finger. n_n

I was able to reproduce the results several times... but I kept getting up from the exercise to keep the food from burning on the stove, hehe.

This is so @#%$#%@#% fun!!!

[Lunacie]

Yeah, you do your homework and make the rest of the class look bad! :scream:

Congrats on getting results. :thumbsup: I've been working with candle energy for a couple of months and have gotten results there. I find it easier to work with fire energy even though I'm such a water-baby. I need to find some time today to do my homework exercises too. Thanks for the reminder.

[Shana-chan]

I believe in telekinesis, but I think that it's hard for most people to see the results of it. I'd love to 'hone' my skills, but I think I would need a trainer. :(