Killing animals is art?

[KaimelarFeylove]

I donno if anyones seen this. Someone posted in in a community i'm in.

Link to samples of the exhibit: http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/nathalia/nathalia_main.htm

The Wetterling Gallery's Justification of her work: http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/newsletter/newsletter.htm

The perosn in my commuinty posted this too...

Link to the petition against her: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/853089392

wtf, mate? I'm all for art, but thats just kinda wrong.. at least in my mind. you could do the exact same thing with photoshop.

Kai

[Valnorran]

I prime example of why I'm against the National Endowment for Arts.

[IndigoMoon]

I have to say that I'm not a big supporter of killing animals period, so I wouldn't support this person's art. However, I also am not in favor of censorship. I think that it would be a lot better if the animal was dead anyway, and then she could use it for whatever she wanted. She's got balls, I'll say that. ........am I allowed to say that?

[halfwaynowhere]

those are really interesting. they are cruel if she killed the animal for that purpose, but if she were to take already dead animals, then that would be completely different.

[WolfMoon]

I'm actually horrified by this. But then, I'm a firm believer that an artist can achieve the same look though skill with a brush, be it a real or digital one.

I cannot, in any way, shape or form, consider this 'good' art.

[LittleRhiannon]

I don't think they're beautiful. I don't think dead things are beautiful, and if thats the only justification she can come up, then I think she's a psycho.

I don't think death should be feared or viewed as something taboo to talk about or anything, but I do think that these animals were senslessly killed, and that it's really awful that someone would do this. How would she like being killed in the name of art, for a photo that means nothing?

[halfwaynowhere]

is it any worse than the Body World exhibit? of course, those people were already dead, but still...
http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp

[KaimelarFeylove]

those are really interesting. they are cruel if she killed the animal for that purpose, but if she were to take already dead animals, then that would be completely different.

She does kill them for this, although the muesuem statement says she "kills them as humanely as possible" But it doesnt say who is witness to that

[Marchosias]

Chances are, it's a hoax, such as the whole BonsaiKitty thing.

I could be wrong, but that site reeks of being made to cause a little 'net scare.

[KaimelarFeylove]

Chances are, it's a hoax, such as the whole BonsaiKitty thing.

I could be wrong, but that site reeks of being made to cause a little 'net scare.

Its supossed to be a muesuem site...the muesuem that is haveing her show.. they have a lists of other artists

[Faerin]

:goodgrief

[Sith]

I prime example of why I'm against the National Endowment for Arts.
Republicians.

Since she did kill those animals, and not in self-defense and admits it, she can be arrested for animal abuse and creulity. Killing for art makes no sense except to a psychotic or lame artistic intellectuals. No one can admire her "work". If a kid did it, it would mean therapy but since she's an "artist" she deserves praise. I say she needs jail time.

[Valnorran]

Republicians.
For the umpteenth godd***ed time, I'm not a Republican. I can think of better things to spend my tax dollars on than animal cruelty.

[KaimelarFeylove]

Since she did kill those animals, and not in self-defense and admits it, she can be arrested for animal abuse and creulity. Killing for art makes no sense except to a psychotic or lame artistic intellectuals. No one can admire her "work". If a kid did it, it would mean therapy but since she's an "artist" she deserves praise. I say she needs jail time.

Shes not american, so unless she lives here, thats not so true. depends on her country

[Happy_Dissident]

She claims that she does this, in part, to show the shallowness of people. Since she, obviously, is one of the most shallow, heartless and self-serving* people I've come across in a while I vote that the best way for her to get her point across artistically is to have herself humanely killed and displayed, arse up in the air, with a huge black boot jammed up it.

The Happy Dissident

*I'm sure she plans on making a load of dough from the controversy as does the museum, hence self-serving.

[Sith]

For the umpteenth godd***ed time, I'm not a Republican. I can think of better things to spend my tax dollars on than animal cruelty.
It's in Sweden so your tax money didn't pay anything.

[violet rain]

That is just disgusting....So what do you think she is thinking like oh look at that cat over there let me chop its head off and make it art???? That is just crazy how can you just go around and slice up animals.... I can only imagine how she feels when she sees road kill.... oh the horror of true crazy people..

[Kaylana]

That's just gross.

[Tina]

Well I will not look at the pictures because if they are of dead animals chances are it will make me really angry & depressed. I would like to say though that killing animals is not art it is discusting & yes I agree that she needs help & should pay for what she has done! This is not right, poor animals. Man this makes me so upset. I just don't really know what to say, I am so discusted & angered!

[Tina]

For the umpteenth godd***ed time, I'm not a Republican. I can think of better things to spend my tax dollars on than animal cruelty.
Animal cruelty is not important enough to spend money on? We if thats the case then we should not put any money into stopping human cruelty either! I think that is such a selfish thing to say! Animals deserve the same rights as humans!

[LittleRhiannon]

Animal cruelty is not important enough to spend money on? We if thats the case then we should not put any money into stopping human cruelty either! I think that is such a selfish thing to say! Animals deserve the same rights as humans!

I believe he meant he didn't want his tax dollars FUNDING animal cruelty, which is what federal art funding would be doing if this artist was in America.

[Storm Moon]

If I was running that museum, I'd tell her to get the hell out of my establishment before I have her arrested, then I'd call the authorities.

[barlitone]

Sickening. It's bits of animals, stuffed, on top of crappy pottery. A failed taxidermist + a failed pottery artiste = OUTSIDER ART.

As a Frank Zappa fan, I can stand some weirdness for the sake of art. I can take some outright badness for the purpose of art, I suppose. But unless she's finding disgarded, preserved animal parts and making this stuff as some kind of protest, this is just wrong.

The only things that qulify it as art are 1) you can see it (it is visible), and 2) people will have different opinions about it.

If you'll excuse me, I'm feeling a bit artistic myself, and I'm about to create another masterpiece. I'll drop it where I drop all of the artwork I create that is on par with this exhibit: in the toilet. Maybe I should take a picture of it and send it to the museum.

[Aquarian_Moon]

Poor rabbit. Couldn't look at any more of them... sorreee. : :heartbrea

[Tina]

I believe he meant he didn't want his tax dollars FUNDING animal cruelty, which is what federal art funding would be doing if this artist was in America.
If thats what he meant then I appologize, you see I get really angry when I hear about or see animal abuse. It really pisses me off!

[Happy_Dissident]

Well, I have just learned from a friend (and owner of another site) that this is all actually a joke that was created in photoshop by some Japanese about two years ago. That is a relief, that animals weren't killed, but I'm still offended. Who is so sick that they would do something to prey upon the minds and hearts of people who care enough about life to be sickened and angry over senseless killing of animals. I say SHAME ON YOU to the perpetrators of this hoax!

The Happy Dissidents

[Valnorran]

Animal cruelty is not important enough to spend money on? We if thats the case then we should not put any money into stopping human cruelty either! I think that is such a selfish thing to say! Animals deserve the same rights as humans!
*deep sigh, closses eyes, massages forehead*
I simply meant I'm against the National Endowment for Arts because they frequently fund stuff like this. This particular instance was in Sweden, but the same sort of thing happens in America, and my tax dollars fund it via NEA. THAT is what I'm against.

[HorseCrow]

Sick, disgusting and wrong.

[Marchosias]

Well, I have just learned from a friend (and owner of another site) that this is all actually a joke that was created in photoshop by some Japanese about two years ago. That is a relief, that animals weren't killed, but I'm still offended. Who is so sick that they would do something to prey upon the minds and hearts of people who care enough about life to be sickened and angry over senseless killing of animals. I say SHAME ON YOU to the perpetrators of this hoax!

The Happy Dissidents

Just as I suspected.

I find it quite funny.

[Secrets Flame]

it's like the bonzai kitty thing... now THAT was funny... "kitty in a glass jar" lol...

very talented photoshop artists + alot of spare time = animal rights outrage.

I love it

[Little Willow]

Please guys .. give Valnorran a break .. he said he didn't agree with it. Isn't that enough. And ... don't get me started. This whole "art" thing just makes me want to vomit.

[Garden of Eden]

That is utterly disgusting. I'm completely appauled that someone could destroy the life of an animal in the name of art.

[Marchosias]

That is utterly disgusting. I'm completely appauled that someone could destroy the life of an animal in the name of art.

Someone, maybe, but not the folks that made the site. It is a hoax.

See Happy_Dissident's post near the end of page three. :)

[Tina]

*deep sigh, closses eyes, massages forehead*
I simply meant I'm against the National Endowment for Arts because they frequently fund stuff like this. This particular instance was in Sweden, but the same sort of thing happens in America, and my tax dollars fund it via NEA. THAT is what I'm against.

I was so upset about the animals being killed for pictures that I missunderstood your post. I am terribly sorry for putting words in your mouth. I was corrected on that post by another person as well, I went back & read your post & I now understand it. I also already added a post that stated this. I know I can be a little dumb sometimes but I am sorry for that post.

[AuroraSilvermist]

For the umpteenth godd***ed time, I'm not a Republican. I can think of better things to spend my tax dollars on than animal cruelty.

Unless it involves pit bulls. :lol:

(Oh! Did I say that out loud???)

Just yanking your chain, Valnorran. No harm intended.

[AuroraSilvermist]

Just for kicks n' giggles, I sent this one in to Snopes.com to see what they'd have to say. If I hear from them, I'll let y'all know. I couldn't find any reference to it at all on the Snopes.com site. I truly hope they discover that it's a hoax. :wtf:

[emmunite]

:ack: Ummm....not so sure it's a joke...

http://www.oozemagazine.co.uk/dyingforart.htm

http://travel.discovery.com/news/afp/20031215/art.html?ct=2478.54127389477

http://www.recirca.com/artnews/218.shtml
(scroll to middle of page)

http://www.in-sourced.com/article/articleview/1040/1/13

I really hope and wish it is. But...not so sure with all the press I found...please, please...someone post a link that refutes what I found and saw.

Yeah fine...humans by nature are filled with hypocrisy...but...isn't this a wee bit extreme to try to get the point across? I'm all for freedom of expression...but...isn't one of the classic signs of a sociopathic personality as well as a serial killer cruelty to animals without any remorse?

The photograph that has provoked the strongest reactions portrays a hand with the head of a dead mouse stuck on each finger. Wetterling said the work was meant to symbolise the five stars of the former Soviet Union, which he said was responsible for the murder of Edenmont's mother when the artist was only 14.

Above from the last link I posted. I honestly wish that I'd not seen this post. I'm going to attempt to get some sleep...hoping I can keep the images at bay...and no they did not make any other statement to me other than this is one sick woman who needs serious help...nothing can justify this type of malicious atrocity. I honestly hope this isn't for real.

[Isil Darkmoon]

Just for kicks n' giggles, I sent this one in to Snopes.com to see what they'd have to say. If I hear from them, I'll let y'all know. I couldn't find any reference to it at all on the Snopes.com site. I truly hope they discover that it's a hoax. :wtf:

It's a fairly new incident; i've found it on a couple more message boards I frequent too. I also sent it to snopes, and hope they pick it up.

[AuroraSilvermist]

Well, I have just learned from a friend (and owner of another site) that this is all actually a joke that was created in photoshop by some Japanese about two years ago. That is a relief, that animals weren't killed, but I'm still offended. Who is so sick that they would do something to prey upon the minds and hearts of people who care enough about life to be sickened and angry over senseless killing of animals. I say SHAME ON YOU to the perpetrators of this hoax!

The Happy Dissidents

Ya know, I wouldn't be so sure about that. There was a similar sort of thing a couple years ago, and it WAS a hoax/sick joke. That was the kitten bonzai thing. It was some awful crap done in photoshop to make it look as though...well, I'm not going to go into it. Suffice it to say, it was sick.

However, this is not the same thing. If it IS a hoax, it's got a lot of people fooled. That lengthy petition at the petition site illustrates that fact. I'm hoping against hope that Snopes.com will post something that says, "Yes, this is a fake!" I have a rather sinking feeling, though, that it's not.

I'm strongly opposed to censorship of any kind. Whether this woman has the right to make this art isn't a question for me--it's whether she has the right to take the lives of animals in order to do it. She does not. It's just horrifying and wrong.

PLEASE let it be a fake.

[Aquarian_Moon]

:ack: Ummm....not so sure it's a joke...

http://www.oozemagazine.co.uk/dyingforart.htm

http://travel.discovery.com/news/afp/20031215/art.html?ct=2478.54127389477

http://www.recirca.com/artnews/218.shtml
(scroll to middle of page)

http://www.in-sourced.com/article/articleview/1040/1/13

I really hope and wish it is. But...not so sure with all the press I found...please, please...someone post a link that refutes what I found and saw.

Yeah fine...humans by nature are filled with hypocrisy...but...isn't this a wee bit extreme to try to get the point across? I'm all for freedom of expression...but...isn't one of the classic signs of a sociopathic personality as well as a serial killer cruelty to animals without any remorse?


Above from the last link I posted. I honestly wish that I'd not seen this post. I'm going to attempt to get some sleep...hoping I can keep the images at bay...and no they did not make any other statement to me other than this is one sick woman who needs serious help...nothing can justify this type of malicious atrocity. I honestly hope this isn't for real.

Seems pretty real to me!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Sorry for mistaking the squirrel for a rabbit in my earlier post, but I couldn't look at that trash for very long before I threw up. I wish I was in Sweden right now, so I could make a huge sign and join the animal rights protest!!! Sick, sick, sick people.

[WingedTigerChild]

Ok, here's the deal...I go and kill the lady, then I'll make lots of money off of her...errr...my pretty art...that was once the stupid lady. I wonder how much I someone would pay to just take her off my hands? lol

[Marchosias]

:ack: Ummm....not so sure it's a joke...

http://www.oozemagazine.co.uk/dyingforart.htm

http://travel.discovery.com/news/afp/20031215/art.html?ct=2478.54127389477

http://www.recirca.com/artnews/218.shtml
(scroll to middle of page)

http://www.in-sourced.com/article/articleview/1040/1/13

I really hope and wish it is. But...not so sure with all the press I found...please, please...someone post a link that refutes what I found and saw.

Yeah fine...humans by nature are filled with hypocrisy...but...isn't this a wee bit extreme to try to get the point across? I'm all for freedom of expression...but...isn't one of the classic signs of a sociopathic personality as well as a serial killer cruelty to animals without any remorse?


Above from the last link I posted. I honestly wish that I'd not seen this post. I'm going to attempt to get some sleep...hoping I can keep the images at bay...and no they did not make any other statement to me other than this is one sick woman who needs serious help...nothing can justify this type of malicious atrocity. I honestly hope this isn't for real.


Huh. Well then, I stand corrected.

[Aquarian_Moon]

Ok, here's the deal...I go and kill the lady, then I'll make lots of money off of her...errr...my pretty art...that was once the stupid lady. I wonder how much I someone would pay to just take her off my hands? lol
Now it's my turn to sound sick and crazy. YES, I would very much like to see that 'lady' stuffed and mounted on a pedestal. Well, at least depending upon how many animals she's murdered. 100's? 1,000's? Ok, maybe it'd be better if they put her in prison, but anyways...

-----------------

I just sent two painstakingly politely-worded e-mails to the London and Swedish Galleries (well, not that polite, I guess - though I didn't use any profanity). I didn't ask for any replies, but I'll post them here if I receive any. :abadpoker

[CloakofStars9]

I am reporting her

[AuroraSilvermist]

I am reporting her

Just curious: to whom? Apparently she has the legal ability to do this in her home country, Sweden. She's certainly doing it publicly enough, and no one has stopped her yet.

I'd sure love to see her stopped...but I would think that's already been tried. That's why there are people signing petitions and such. :ugh:

[CloakofStars9]

she actually viotated her rights to kill the animals, there has to be a vet present so the animals don't suffer, she is being prosecuted...and I reported her to the international PETA, but I am sure they know

[CloakofStars9]

this is what I got back from them :


Thank you for your e-mail regarding Swedish "artist" Nathalia Edenmont.

Because Ms. Edenmont's gruesome work is created in Sweden, she is bound
by that country's laws regarding humane treatment of animals. In
December 2003, Edenmont was reported to authorities by the Swedish
Veterinary Association (SVA) for not having a veterinarian present when
she killed the animals used in her work. We encourage you to contact
the
SVA about this matter. Please urge them to continue pressuring
authorities to ensure Edenmont's compliance with their guidelines, and
better yet, to put a stop to her work completely. You can view their
Web
site (available in English) at http://www.svf.se (http://www.svf.se/).

Swedish Veterinary Association
Box 12709, S112
94 Stockholm
Sweden
mailto:office@svf.se (http://us.f810.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=office@svf.se&YY=64961&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b)

We also encourage you to contact Wetterling Gallery
(info@wetterlinggallery.com (http://us.f810.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=info@wetterlinggallery.com&YY=64961&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b)) and let them know that you don't approve
of
displays of animal murder masquerading as artwork.

For tips on writing effective advocacy letters, please see
http://www.PETA.org/alert/guide.html (http://www.peta.org/alert/guide.html). For other ways you can help
animals, please see http://www.HelpingAnimals.com (http://www.helpinganimals.com/).

Thanks again for writing and for everything you do for animals.

Sincerely,

The PETA Staff
http://www.PETA.org (http://www.peta.org/)

[CloakofStars9]

I happened to post this in the forums on DA and I have gotten all negative responses, just proves why I prefer animals to people :rolleyes:

one guy said "As long as they're not your pets it's none of your business."

I am not even dignifying that with a response

[Storm]

In my opinion, she is a serial killer. I don't care if she does have a vet present when the animal is kileed. What a degradation to the animal's spirit. This is just another example of things humans do that make me just want to bury my head in the sand. I can't take it. I don't think I will choose to be a human in my next incarnation. Sickening.

[Ceallach]

As long as they aren't your pets it doesn't matter?? I am shocked by this entire situation. That woman is twisted in her beliefs of what art is. The whole thing is just sick. I almost got sick looking at the pictures.

Thanks for posting the SVA, COS9, I will be contacting them to at least put in my two cents.

**This post is much more tame than my actual words. My kids had to leave the room not only because of the subject matter but because Mommy's mouth got the better of her.

Those poor animals.

[Holly Ariadna]

OMG that is sick, and just wrong. I'd like to stuff her!!!

[Pol]

I wish Art would return to what it used to be. The beauty of life expressed through another medium. While death is beautiful and part of life, senselessly killing animals and stuffing them in pots isn't an expression of that. It's just twisted.

I must say, however, that something about it looks fishy.

[Pol]

It's good that something's being done about her. (haveing just read the second page)
But was PETA really needed? :ahhhhhhh:

[CloakofStars9]

well here is where I posted the petition on DA, funny only 2 people have agreed with me, the others think its "art" or "they are gonna die anyway" :rolleyes:

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/complaints/313916/

[CloakofStars9]

It's good that something's being done about her. (haveing just read the second page)
But was PETA really needed? :ahhhhhhh:

they were one of the people I contacted that work internationally, problem with that?

[Pol]

they were one of the people I contacted that work internationally, problem with that?

It's called humour. Geesh.
Still, I guess it's like a neccesary evil, working with PETA on issues such as this.

[CloakofStars9]

It's called humour. Geesh.
Still, I guess it's like a neccesary evil, working with PETA on issues such as this.

that wasn't a jab at you hon, just frustrated with how people treat animals

[WingedTigerChild]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:

[Ceallach]

well here is where I posted the petition on DA, funny only 2 people have agreed with me, the others think its "art" or "they are gonna die anyway" :rolleyes:

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/complaints/313916/

I can't freaking believe the people on that forum!! I'm so angry I just want to scream. "The animals were going to die from disease or old age anyway" ??? They never had a chance to die from old age. Or contract a disease. This woman snuffed out their lives before they had a chance at anything. What is wrong with people????!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe this.

[Khuinaset]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:

Well, I'm a vegan, but IMO there's a difference between killing something for no reason and killing it for food.

[Pol]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:

(cries a river)

[Ceallach]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:

Vegetarian here, but I think whether meat eaters or not, people have the right to fight against useless killing for the sake of sadistic "art".

[Pol]

that wasn't a jab at you hon, just frustrated with how people treat animals

:fpartyman

[Pol]

Vegetarian here, but I think whether meat eaters or not, people have the right to fight against useless killing for the sake of sadistic "art".

Indeed.

(ETA) Let me also just say to WingedTigerChild that I believe both leaves and animals have the same spiritual properties. So if I have to believe it's wrong to eat meat to thing it's wrong to senslessly kill animals to poke them into pots, then you likewise should have to stop stepping on plants and insects before you have any place to tell me what I can and cannot be against.

[Calyx]

Why is this thread still going?
It's a hoax, people!
Besides, if you looked at their eyes, you can tell they are alive. Dead animals glaze over rapidly. _whistle_

[CloakofStars9]

do you have proof that it is Calyx?

ETA: the mice that have been stuck on her five fingers don't look alive to me

[Ceallach]

Indeed.

(ETA) Let me also just say to WingedTigerChild that I believe both leaves and animals have the same spiritual properties. So if I have to believe it's wrong to eat meat to thing it's wrong to senslessly kill animals to poke them into pots, then you likewise should have to stop stepping on plants and insects before you have any place to tell me what I can and cannot be against.

Indeed right back atcha! :)

[Pol]

do you have proof that it is Calyx?

ETA: the mice that have been stuck on her five fingers don't look alive to me

Actually, it was the mice on the fingers that looked the most alive and photoshopped to me. Heheh.
I'm hoping it is some kind of hoax, but ah well. I won't be one of those 'I knew it all along' types. ;)

[Tarbh Nathroch]

I found the work grotesque. But I would not support a ban of the work. I also would not support the work it’s self. Some folks are just sickos. I used to do landscaping for a guy who made molds from cadavers for his art work, again ghoulish, but hey if he can make a living off it, which he was, he’s not the sick one.

[CloakofStars9]

I would love for it to be a hoax, believe me

[Ceallach]

No kidding. But in the world we live in, who knows.

[Happy_Dissident]

I am still hoping that it is a hoax but that one link to a Discovery run site... well, I don't view Discovery as being as reactionist as PETA and I think they would have reviewed it carefully to make sure it wasn't a hoax before publishing. I've asked the fella who told me it was a hoax in the first place to review the sites and if possibly he got this mixed up with the bonzai kitten hoax from a few years back. I'm waiting for a response.

As to the thought about the right and wrong of killing animals based on the fact that I (and others) eat them. Well, everything HAS to eat, that is a part of the natural order of the universe, no matter if you chose to cut short the life of a chicken to feed yourself or the life of a carrot - but her art is not necessary, the killing (if this isn't a hoax) is not necessary. If she is actually doing this it is wrong, it is from her own sick and twisted mind. One CANNOT say that the viewpoints and opinions that she is trying to express through this art are necessary on the same order as the need to eat. One cannot even say that it is the ONLY way for her to express such views and opinions.

Bottom line - one way or another, if this isn't just a hoax (which I hope it is) - this woman will pay for her actions. Either in this life or the next or the afterlife, what ever you believe in, she will pay. Karma is about actions having consequences. If you hold a glass over a ceramic floor and let go, it will break. The broken glass is not a punishment for letting go, nor is an unbroken glass reward for holding on. Actions simply have consequences as a result of what was originally done - all actions. A very comforting thought to me in this, for it simply means that no matter what ANY of us thinks about it, she WILL pay for her actions.

The Happy Dissident

[CloakofStars9]

lets not forget this so-called art could have easily been done in photoshop, so why not, intead of taking innocent lives?


I too hope it isn't real

[AuroraSilvermist]

In my opinion, she is a serial killer. I don't care if she does have a vet present when the animal is kileed. What a degradation to the animal's spirit. This is just another example of things humans do that make me just want to bury my head in the sand. I can't take it. I don't think I will choose to be a human in my next incarnation. Sickening.

Well, as someone already pointed out...the pathology of a potential serial killer often does include the abuse, torture and murder of animals. I believe this woman has to be mentally ill to do something like this in the name of "art."

And CoS9...good for you! Unfortunately, the response from PETA wasn't very encouraging. I'm not crazy about PETA, but if they're able to target REAL abuse like this, then three cheers for them.

[Pandoras]

I realize that I'm hardly one to do any moralizing seeing as to how I eat meat, have leather products, take medicines and use cosmetics, but I think this is sick. It troubles me to see how easily someone can just kill an animal and then pose it and photograph it in order to "gives rise to thoughts about people's shallowness and double standards." There are better ways to make a statement.

I do hope it's a hoax.

[Marchosias]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:

One tends to live off of food.

Random killings for visual pleasure is not neccessary.

Granted, I'll admit I'm not exactly outraged or anything anyway. The whole art thing seems wasteful, but, whatever. Bigger problems in the world.

[enchancea]

She's obviously a very sick person with some problems. And the so called "art" doesnt even look good. Who would want that in their house? Its disgusting. Poor animals.

[Koehnae]

Real or hoax.. I feel its just plain disturbing.

[WingedTigerChild]

sapphiresphinx wrote: Well, I'm a vegan, but IMO there's a difference between killing something for no reason and killing it for food.

Uhm…and the difference is…? Ok. Basically, if you were correct in saying that there’s a difference between killing something for no reason and killing it for food, you’d also be concluding that the vegan lifestyle (in general) just could not be done…which is false, assuming that you’re a fairly healthy individual.

Ceallach wrote: Vegetarian here, but I think whether meat eaters or not, people have the right to fight against useless killing for the sake of sadistic "art".

I’m not disagreeing with you, but merely making a point. That’s all.

Pol wrote: (ETA) Let me also just say to WingedTigerChild that I believe both leaves and animals have the same spiritual properties. So if I have to believe it's wrong to eat meat to thing it's wrong to senselessly kill animals to poke them into pots, then you likewise should have to stop stepping on plants and insects before you have any place to tell me what I can and cannot be against.

While I’d like to say that I agree, your hypothesis only serves to open a door to more questions like, which suffers more; animals or plants? Scientifically speaking, we know (with the knowledge that we have thus far) that animals do, as plants do not have a central nervous system or a brain (that we know of, anyway!), and both of these are necessary in order to register pain. As for insects, I regret that there is nothing I can say in defense of my point, except perhaps that with the knowledge that we have in regards to animals and plants in terms of pain and suffering, we might conclude that being a vegan certainly does minimize such.

Happy_Dissident wrote: As to the thought about the right and wrong of killing animals based on the fact that I (and others) eat them. Well, everything HAS to eat, that is a part of the natural order of the universe, no matter if you chose to cut short the life of a chicken to feed yourself or the life of a carrot - but her art is not necessary, the killing (if this isn't a hoax) is not necessary. If she is actually doing this it is wrong, it is from her own sick and twisted mind. One CANNOT say that the viewpoints and opinions that she is trying to express through this art are necessary on the same order as the need to eat. One cannot even say that it is the ONLY way for her to express such views and opinions.

And yet, I HAVE said these things and I HAVE (if I may say so) made some rather good points. In any case, I don’t want to be on bad terms with anyone here. Take it or leave it…I’ve said what I felt I needed to say for now.

Shalom.

[Devi]

Umm that was very............. :blech: :sniffsnif :whatgives :nuhuh: :ack:

[Pan]

Guh... I was eating chicken soup while looking at those pictures. Only thing that kept me going was that I can see my ribs, y'all.

I eat meat because my body was meant to process it. I tried to go vegetarian, but my body couldn't handle it and I got very sick even with dietary supplements. *shrug* It wasn't for me, so I eat meat.

It'd be nice if this were a hoax, but I can't say that the images made me want to vomit as much as y'all's. I -was- eating while looking at them. That ain't to say that I enjoyed the "art", just that it didn't seem to effect me as much as it did y'all.

Dunno why. But it didn't. I love my kitties same as the next person.

The mouse-on-the-finger thing reminded me of that one Holocaust book where the Jewish people were portrayed as mice. Good book. Informative, too.

[CleftOfLight]

I don't find murder of any kind art.Exspecially when you are killing something so innocent as an animal.

[Æon Flux]

:scream: Personally, since I don't even believe in killing animals for food, I think that is a very horrific act.

I believe that art should be creative and somthing that brings joy or in some cases wisdom, and to me, killing animals to do things that could have been done as digital work is not creative.

This is my personal opinion, of coarse... I cannot support it. :thumbsdow

[Khuinaset]

sapphiresphinx wrote: Well, I'm a vegan, but IMO there's a difference between killing something for no reason and killing it for food.

Uhm…and the difference is…? Ok. Basically, if you were correct in saying that there’s a difference between killing something for no reason and killing it for food, you’d also be concluding that the vegan lifestyle (in general) just could not be done…which is false, assuming that you’re a fairly healthy individual.

I have no idea what that meant to be honest. I don't even know what you're trying to say. But, in my mind, if an animal dies and is then eaten, their death had a purpose of some sort - to help someone else keep living. If they're just getting killed pointlessly, they died for no reason. I don't know if I'm making sense or not but that's how I see it.

[ClockElf]

I have no idea what that meant to be honest. I don't even know what you're trying to say. But, in my mind, if an animal dies and is then eaten, their death had a purpose of some sort - to help someone else keep living. If they're just getting killed pointlessly, they died for no reason. I don't know if I'm making sense or not but that's how I see it.


I agree. Killing a animal for sustinance is a little different from killing said animal for some pointless purpose. It's all about waste. Food isn't a wasteful use.

[Happy_Dissident]

Ok, here's the deal...I go and kill the lady, then I'll make lots of money off of her...errr...my pretty art...that was once the stupid lady. I wonder how much I someone would pay to just take her off my hands? lol

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to.

Happy_Dissident wrote: As to the thought about the right and wrong of killing animals based on the fact that I (and others) eat them. Well, everything HAS to eat, that is a part of the natural order of the universe, no matter if you chose to cut short the life of a chicken to feed yourself or the life of a carrot - but her art is not necessary, the killing (if this isn't a hoax) is not necessary. If she is actually doing this it is wrong, it is from her own sick and twisted mind. One CANNOT say that the viewpoints and opinions that she is trying to express through this art are necessary on the same order as the need to eat. One cannot even say that it is the ONLY way for her to express such views and opinions.

And yet, I HAVE said these things and I HAVE (if I may say so) made some rather good points. In any case, I don’t want to be on bad terms with anyone here. Take it or leave it…I’ve said what I felt I needed to say for now.
OK, you show me where in your posts (which were made previous to my post that you quoted - which I quoted above), that you said anything about her viewpoints/opinions and where you said that her art is the only way to express them or even where you say anything about the difference between killing for food and killing for art.
Maybe you were thinking it, but it's not the same as posting it, and it's also not the same as saying it in a post AFTER my post and then getting all riled up over what I said because it "insults" you, so how about taking a nice big chill pill and knocking that chip off your shoulder - I thought that this board was trying to clean up it's act and be respectful to each other? I didn't spit on you, why are you spitting at me?

The Happy Dissident

[Black RiverWolf]

i looked at her art and thought that it was okay. but if if the animal is not already dead and she is killing them for this sole purpose of her art then i don't agree with her art at all. if you have to do wrong by the animal to get a point across then a life was wasted. but thats just me.

[Threase]

I realize that I'm hardly one to do any moralizing seeing as to how I eat meat, have leather products, take medicines and use cosmetics, but I think this is sick. It troubles me to see how easily someone can just kill an animal and then pose it and photograph it in order to "gives rise to thoughts about people's shallowness and double standards." There are better ways to make a statement.

I do hope it's a hoax.

Ditto.

[Illuminatus]

Animal cruelty is typically regarded as a precursor to Human cruelty, at least among the police criminal profiling community. A large proportion of serial killers and murderers had a history of abusing animals in their youth. So while a lot of people don't lose a lot of sleep over animal cruelty, law enforcement takes it very seriously, not because it is such an inherently henious crime, but moreso because it helps catch the very worst criminals early on, before they move on to bigger and better things like murder.

I am reminded of this one story I heard of, where an artist put a goldfish in a blender, plugged it in, put it in a gallery and called it art. Sure enough, some guy walking by pushes the button on the blender and the fish dies horribly. I think the artist was charged with animal cruelty. I think that particular case was justifed though, because anyone who's ever kept fish knows how fragile their lives are, and there's some definite philisophical ground being broken by putting the life of another creature into the hands of a passer by pushing a button.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but it's bugging me, so I will...I find it interesting and ever slightly hypocritical that you (collective) would generate such responses in regards to this lady and her "art" whilst having no problem with having animals killed for your "food." I don't know how many that have posted are veggie, but for those who aren't, you're who I'm talking to. :eyebrow:
I was just looking through thinking the exact same thing, not to mention shoes, clothes, furniture and whatever els Im forgetting.....and I think that might be the point the artist is trying to get across. I think its terrrible and sad but very thought provoking at the same time.....but I dont think she should be aloud to be doing this.

[Katya]

i saw this off of applegeeks.com and i think it's horrible. i'm veggie, and i couldn't dream of eating an animal. killing an animal for art is cruel. i bet you anything they didn't run up to her and yell, "kill me prettyprettyplease!"

[WingedTigerChild]

I have no idea what that meant to be honest. I don't even know what you're trying to say. But, in my mind, if an animal dies and is then eaten, their death had a purpose of some sort - to help someone else keep living. If they're just getting killed pointlessly, they died for no reason. I don't know if I'm making sense or not but that's how I see it.



I agree. Killing an animal for sustenance is a little different from killing said animal for some pointless purpose. It's all about waste. Food isn't a wasteful use.


What I said was this: The general public does not need to kill and eat animals to survive, thus the difference is minimal to none.



OK, you show me where in your posts (which were made previous to my post that you quoted - which I quoted above), that you said anything about her viewpoints/opinions and where you said that her art is the only way to express them or even where you say anything about the difference between killing for food and killing for art.

Maybe you were thinking it, but it's not the same as posting it, and it's also not the same as saying it in a post AFTER my post and then getting all riled up over what I said because it "insults" you, so how about taking a nice big chill pill and knocking that chip off your shoulder - I thought that this board was trying to clean up it's act and be respectful to each other? I didn't spit on you, why are you spitting at me?


Sorry, it must have been late when I read your last post. I have no idea what I was talking about…lol I was most likely upset and confused. My apologies.

[KaimelarFeylove]

Wow I hadn’t realized this was still up...

And I just read all the posts.......*now my eyes wont close* :ahhhh: damn burning light screen of death and stuff

I noticed the killing animals for food v senseless...

I used to be a vegetarian, now I’m a “semi-vegetarian”. When it comes to eating meat, I prefer meat that I know where comes form. I went hunting once, and shot a deer, and I killed it with the first shot, it died instantly, so if there was any pain it was momentary. The place I was at (my dad’s friend’s land) was so over populated by deer that they were starving themselves during winter. And after words, I said a short prayer to her spirit and gave her last bite of food (the latter is something done by my dad’s friend.)

My point with this story is that, in this case, in my mind, I was justified. My family and I ate that doe all year, didn’t have to buy meat from animals that had been bludgeoned to death and processed, and it tasted better too.

Anyway, just kind of babbling because I’m bored… sorry if I bored you

[~ Monk ~]

All I can say is that if this is the best she can come up with as an "artist" - perhaps it's time for her find a new line of work.

[Nekhet]

Chances are, it's a hoax, such as the whole BonsaiKitty thing.

Oh great...NOW they tell me.....

*Searches for his automatic jar opener*

_twohorns_

Nekhet

[KaimelarFeylove]

Oh great...NOW they tell me.....

*Searches for his automatic jar opener*

_twohorns_

Nekhet


Has no one seen the links posted ealier.. seems pretty real to me

[Pandoras]

It's not a hoax.

[flar7]

the biggest problem the people are having with this is cultural bias. In the west, those are pets, even bunnies for the most part are pets and not eaten. As a society here, we approve and give laudations to the big game hunter who legally kills and stuffs his trophy, heck if not, taxidermy would be illegal in the U.S.

Her work is disturbing and thought provoking. I too am subject to this cultural bias and cannot get over the "poor kitty" but in other cultures, its just an animal. Many cultures kill cats, dogs and other creatures as vermin or for food.

If you say food is ok, then would it be ok if she were eating the cats as well as mounting them? For all we know, she could very well be.

The west, and this includes more than just the U.S., will have problems with this type of art and thats the goal of this art. To show the errant hypocrisy in the system. Look at the members who are up in arms and vocal about it. I am sure the artist meant for that very thing to happen. The free advertising of her show by various groups and sites such as ours now, will undoubtably trickle a few in to see her work for the same reason we go to stock car races, slow down at accidents and rent violent movies. Death, in all its forms, fascinates us.