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Xa0z
September 4th, 2001, 01:58 PM
I'll be direct and honest, I'm a real newbie in the magical world.
What I want is some help with a dificult ritual. I'll explain my situation and motivation.

I've got two best friends, the first one had a girlfriend but this girlfriend dumped him for no reason. My second friend thought this wouldn't happen to him, but he too had to face it too. They were sad for weeks. So what I want is a revenge.

If I let her fall in love with me, I can dump her too, so she understands the pain of loosing someone you love without reason. Hopefully she'll never do it again.

All help needed

Hope
September 4th, 2001, 06:33 PM
well first welcome!
and to your question I'm sorry I won't help you with that, I can't it goes against my rede.

Blessings!
hope

Rick
September 4th, 2001, 06:44 PM
...I understand your feelings about "The enemies of my allies are my enemies." However, I don't really think being dumped by a girl is serious enough to start casting 'revenge spells'. Be a good friend, listen when your pals need to rant, offer your emotional support... but I really have to advise you to rethink vengeance. In most cases, the consequences simply 'ain't worth it'.

Besides, in matters of the heart (especially if these are young hearts), it's my experience that it's kinda like learning to ride a bicycle... when you fall off, get up, dust yourself off, & get back on...

arewynn
September 4th, 2001, 08:12 PM
your request goes against the rede.you should look closer at the law of return.why not instead ask if you could do a spell to help ease your friends pain or cast a spell or create a charm to help your friend attract a healthy relationship in genral not with some one specific. hope it works out for the best with you and all concerned
bright blessings
arewynn

Myst
September 4th, 2001, 08:39 PM
Beyond the Rede (I don't follow it), holding this negative energy and feeling vengeful will only turn you bitter. Did you know people who hold grudges are more likely to have heart attacks and die earlier? I know how you feel, I've been in a similar situation, but the best thing to do is be there for your friends and not implicate yourself in that nastiness.

I don't thin k anyone else here at MW will help either..

seawitch
September 4th, 2001, 08:48 PM
you could just let it go and remember the three fold law and what you send out will be returned
blessings aroura

Lavender
September 4th, 2001, 10:19 PM
Not a good idea. Though I don't follow the rede, I do believe that "what goes around, comes around". If these girls were trifling with your friends' affections, they will get theirs in time. You don't want all that negativity hanging over you. You can be a much better friend in other ways. You don't want to have that in your Karmic return later.

Xa0z
September 5th, 2001, 09:50 AM
Hey guys, I really think you have misunderstood me. What I said was revenge, but that's the only word I know for expressing myself (I'm dutch, and english is not by best thing) It is meant as a lesson for her. Sometimes learning is combined with pain, like knowing that fire is hot is learned by putting your hand in it. It isn't the purpose to damage her feelings totaly, just a punishment that will be helpfull to her too.

ps.
Can anyone explain the word rede, It was in every post but I didn't understand it

slvr_phoenix
September 5th, 2001, 11:00 AM
The rede that everyone is throwing around is, I believe, the Wiccan Rede, which goes, "An ye harm none, do as ye will." Or loosely translated, "Do whatever you want so long as you're not hurting anyone."

However, each Wiccan tradition holds variations on that and not every pagan is Wiccan. So in generall, referring to the rede is often a messy situation. **L**

I follow my own version of it as well though. However, that doesn't prohibit me from helping you cast a revenge spell.

What does prohibit me though is simply my own desire. As much as I respect that your path doesn't follow the rede, and as much as I understand that you want to teach this person a lesson, I don't agree with your means of teaching and in fact think that it is you and your friends that need to learn a lesson from this.

In matters of relationships (especially love) people get together and break up all of the time. Especially at younger ages, though this certainly doens't count out the edler folk as well. Some people just aren't compatible. Some people just aren't ready for commitment. Some people just haven't grown personally enough yet. Having relationships is about finding what you want in a significant other, and finding what you don't want. It's about learning, growing, and preparing. And as such, break-ups happen a LOT.

My thought is that instead of you teaching her that she shouldn't dump people, perhaps you and your friends should learn to accept that some relationships just don't work out. Live and learn. Life moves on. If the love were mutual and both people involved were ready for a serious relationship, then it would have worked out. It didn't. So obviously the relationship just wasn't meant to be.

Astraea
September 5th, 2001, 03:34 PM
I have to agree completely with Silver Poenix. Well said. I'm pretty blunt, so forgive me if it seems I'm calling you stupid (I'm not), but seeking revenge against someone who ended a relationship with your friend is ignorant, in my opinion. Not stupid, just ignorant. Seems that you might not fully understand that break-ups are a part of life, they happen and we move on, as many here have said. The girl in question obviously felt that the relationship she had with your friend wasn't "meant to be." How can one possibly consider "teaching her a lesson" for having that feeling? How would your friend feel if the tables were turned? If your friend was to break up with a girl and someone decided to "teach him a lesson" because he didn't have mutual feelings of love and want to continue with the relationship? It's immature and crosses a line of decency, in my opinion.
Of course, not everyone follows the same ethics that I do, so if you feel the need to teach this poor girl a lesson for not being in love with your buddy, then knock yourself out. I don't follow "the Rede" but I do agree with the Ripple Effect- your actions against others may produce consequences that affect your life as well.

Rick
September 5th, 2001, 06:46 PM
Here's a ritual.

Cast your basic protective circle. Face East, & chant 3 times "I give the problem with (insert girl's name here) to the Universe, & ask that justice be served." Repeat to the South, West, & North. End the circle.

reanna
September 6th, 2001, 03:28 AM
:wave: Welcome:wave:

Socharis
September 6th, 2001, 05:54 AM
:D:D:D WELCOME :D:D:D