Vampyres

[khin666]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.

[9-2-2]

There are vampires out there, but it's not like in Blade, where there's 5,000 packed into a car, ready to come pouring out and into an action scene. My fiance met one years ago, he said that the dude had no aura. Didn't stand out any other way that he could recall, but the fact that he had no aura bugged the hell outta him. Well, my honey was smart enough to leave him alone, so now my lovey is alive today n_n

I don't reccomend running out there, hunting them down. No pun intended. They can be dangerous, and if they live like, a crapload long time, then they may not have a lot of humanity or morality left about them. Hell, if you lived that long, you wouldn't be peachy, either.

[Anubis RainHawk]

I don't have a great understanding of Vampyres. There was a Vamp in Sci Fi's "alernative reality" show "Mad Mad House". Through his actions, it seemed that Vampyrism was more of a world veiw that a religion. He did a "blood letting" ritual were he drew blood from a girl and drank it in front of the guest.

I remember reading about them in "Out of the Shadows: An Exploration of Dark Paganism and Magick" by John J. Coughlin. He said that most are involed in Live Action Roleplaying games (LRP) in which they live like a Vamp, though not truly believing there are an imortal being. Then there are those that truely belive that they are imortal beings sent to earth to recreate an ancient coven.

This is as much as I know, but I could be wrong, so don't kill me if you find this doesn't apply to all Vampyres.

Anubis RainHawk

[khin666]

I don't have a great understanding of Vampyres. There was a Vamp in Sci Fi's "alernative reality" show "Mad Mad House". Through his actions, it seemed that Vampyrism was more of a world veiw that a religion. He did a "blood letting" ritual were he drew blood from a girl and drank it in front of the guest.

I remember reading about them in "Out of the Shadows: An Exploration of Dark Paganism and Magick" by John J. Coughlin. He said that most are involed in Live Action Roleplaying games (LRP) in which they live like a Vamp, though not truly believing there are an imortal being. Then there are those that truely belive that they are imortal beings sent to earth to recreate an ancient coven.

This is as much as I know, but I could be wrong, so don't kill me if you find this doesn't apply to all Vampyres.

Anubis RainHawk


I don't have a great understanding of Vampyres. There was a Vamp in Sci Fi's "alernative reality" show "Mad Mad House". Through his actions, it seemed that Vampyrism was more of a world veiw that a religion. He did a "blood letting" ritual were he drew blood from a girl and drank it in front of the guest.

I remember reading about them in "Out of the Shadows: An Exploration of Dark Paganism and Magick" by John J. Coughlin. He said that most are involed in Live Action Roleplaying games (LRP) in which they live like a Vamp, though not truly believing there are an imortal being. Then there are those that truely belive that they are imortal beings sent to earth to recreate an ancient coven.

This is as much as I know, but I could be wrong, so don't kill me if you find this doesn't apply to all Vampyres.

Anubis RainHawk

A lot of Vampyres out there are involved in Live Action Roleplaying Games. I personally consider Vampyrism to be a religion only because many of those claiming to be vampyres (no matter their take on it) all seem to share a lot of common beliefs,for example belief in the astral body and things such as reincarnation. I do not drink blood because of the risks involved but I practice a form known as psychic vampyrism in which I use visualization, meditation and the astral body to drain the life force of others. As a rule I never drain someone elses astral body without their consent. If nowone is willing or available then I feed from the ambient energies given off by the astral body which would otherwise be wasted or utilized by another astral being. I do not see vampyrism as a disease nor do i see the vampyre as a creature superior to the human race. To me the word Vampyre is merely a name given to those who practice Vampyrism. Nothing more. Nothing Less.

If you have any question don't be afraid to ask. The reason that I was looking for vampyres here is because the people on Vampyre message boards are either role-players or those with radical beliefs who only know of one way to get their point across. and that is violence. By asking this question here I was hoping to find some down to earth practiotners with a firm grasp on reality.

Thanks,

khin666

P.S. I noticed the pic of Marilyn Manson for your profile. Did you check out their new cd Lest We Forget. I think that it's awesome. It just goes to show that the hits of Marilyn Manson truly are the greatest!

[Toby Stimpson]

lol...what wonderful topic...bravo. No disrespect intended, but do you mind if I laugh a moment. Real Vampyrism and the Vampyres of this world in general are come in many forms, and non are those roleplaying fools who prance about in their capes swinging pieces of paper about (reoleplaying can be fun, but when taken to a littirial sense is pathetic)..as Khin said, he is a Psychic, there are also astral, fetish, and Sanguinarian. There are many who play games, and yet know nothing of the true nature of the Vampyre world. It is neither Pagan, nor Satanist, not dark or light...it just is. Vampyrism isnt a religion, it is a way of life, and also a heritage of folklore and spirituality going back years. I applaud you for asking your question here and unveiling yourself...I am sure there are many others on here...welcome to the site :). Namaste

Tobias

[Anubis RainHawk]

P.S. I noticed the pic of Marilyn Manson for your profile. Did you check out their new cd Lest We Forget. I think that it's awesome. It just goes to show that the hits of Marilyn Manson truly are the greatest!

I did get the cd a while ago. It's awesome!

Just have a question about the religion of Vamps. Do you believe in any deities? If so, how do you honor them an what is their role in your life?
Thanks

Anubis RainHawk

[charmedkisses1]

Mythical vampires do not exist, that was a rumor started by Vlad the Impaler (stake in the heart, anyone?)

However, Vampyrism is more of a practice than religion. And there are alot of human vampyres out there.

[LittleRhiannon]

Mythical vampires do not exist, that was a rumor started by Vlad the Impaler (stake in the heart, anyone?)

However, Vampyrism is more of a practice than religion. And there are alot of human vampyres out there.

...Vampires and blood sucking things have been around since LONG before Vlad. They just thought he was one 'cause when they dug up his body, there was no body.

I have a question. Why do so many people spell it with a 'Y'? Is there any specific reason, or anything?

[Lunamoth]

I have a question. Why do so many people spell it with a 'Y'? Is there any specific reason, or anything?

It's just an alternate spelling, perfectly acceptable and found in the dictionary.

[khin666]

It's just an alternate spelling, perfectly acceptable and found in the dictionary.

The reason I prefer to spell it with a Y is to seperate the hollywood sterotype from the practioner of vampyrism. It is the exact same reason that crowley added the K in the word magick. In order to seperate stage magic from the real deal. Sorry if I confused you.

[LittleRhiannon]

The reason I prefer to spell it with a Y is to seperate the hollywood sterotype from the practioner of vampyrism. It is the exact same reason that crowley added the K in the word magick. In order to seperate stage magic from the real deal. Sorry if I confused you.

Thats not why Crowley added the K though. He needed 'magic' to be six letters to fit his gematria.

[khin666]

I did get the cd a while ago. It's awesome!

Just have a question about the religion of Vamps. Do you believe in any deities? If so, how do you honor them an what is their role in your life?
Thanks

Anubis RainHawk

All depends on which vamp you ask. I myself am polytheistic and I worship egyptian deities. I honor them through prayer, ritual, food and blood sacrifice. (only a few drops of my own which I change once every couple weeks.). They play a major role in my life. For example I pray to horus for spiritual as well as physical strength (especally on a bad day), Thoth for wisom and Guidance and many others which I couldn't possibly list here.

[khin666]

Thats not why Crowley added the K though. He needed 'magic' to be six letters to fit his gematria.

I got the real reason confused with that given by Anton Szandor Lavey. Sorry for that error....... :stooges: I can be a stooge sometimes.....

[LittleRhiannon]

I got the real reason confused with that given by Anton Szandor Lavey. Sorry for that error....... :stooges: I can be a stooge sometimes.....

No problem _happydanc

[Impact2cool]

Vampyrism is a sub-culture created by the liberal media today. I will agree that in the past, many people practiced the ideas of vampyres much like how people people were considered witches. However, there is no such thing as a "real" vampyre, vampyrism consists of a fashion statement, a preference of drink, and an excuse to sleep in a coffin (lol, had to throw that one in). I am a major in sociology, so I would be happy to debate this idea with anyone here. :bat:

[Keroberos]

hmm, I've heard of this. How does one protect themselves from psychic vampires with less than healthy intent like you have. I just feel really drained a lot and I can't figure out why. This has happened before everytime a life change is coming for a few months I just feel tired almost constantly and get depressed, and I'm not usually like that. Is there a way to feed off ambient energy to supplement my loss? I'm pretty sure that I just get weakened by stress and maybe my energy is leaking or subconciously drained by people around me.

[Kyra Kismet]

I have a real intrest in this as sometimes I find myself seeming to feed off emotions of others......

[khin666]

Vampyrism is a sub-culture created by the liberal media today. I will agree that in the past, many people practiced the ideas of vampyres much like how people people were considered witches. However, there is no such thing as a "real" vampyre, vampyrism consists of a fashion statement, a preference of drink, and an excuse to sleep in a coffin (lol, had to throw that one in). I am a major in sociology, so I would be happy to debate this idea with anyone here. :bat:



I do not drink blood. And even If I did it is more then just a preference of drink. The belief behind drinking blood is that by drinking the blood you are also partaking in the lifeforce contained within the blood. There are other ways to feed upon this lifeforce,blood drinking just happens to be the easiest (and most dangerous)way. I do agree that there are those who use vampyrism to make a fashion statement but that is not the kind of vampyres I am talking about. I am talking about those who practice the the genuine art of vampyrism.

This may help you understand what I am talking about......


*Vampyre FAQ for Order of Blood*


l}What is vampyrism?

Vampyrism is the art of draining the life- force from a human being.
The Order beleives and practices in the art of psychic vampyrism
The Order recognizes three main types of vampyrism...one is through physical blood, this is called
Sanguine.The other is using the astral body, through ritual and in dreaming techniques for the psychic blood. This is known as psychic vampyrism and includes the /incubussuccubus, known as sexual
vampyrism.The incubus/succubus if a more advanced form of using the subtle body's.
There is a form known as 'sympathetic .The discription given
in the Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey of sympathetic vampyrism is as follows-
"Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible
and even indebted to them, without cause." This is a lower form of referred psychic vampyrism.
This was previously called called psychic vampyrism, the definition changed with the
discovery that people could drain using the astral body. Society uses traits of vampyrism in what is
referred in the word 'channeling'. Society also engages in many vampyric aspect's, constructive and
destructive channeling. From forms of elemental and empathic channeling to degredative channeling
such as addiction and the referred previous deffinition of sympathetic.

ll}What is the origin of the vampyre?

The origin of the vampyre invariably is a continuum of creation.
The primal feminine dark force in nature. In the origin of all religious content there is reference
given to the seduction of the 'succubus'. In Romanian legend 'dracul' or 'devil' with 'a' added
to the end of the word meant, 'the offspring of'. The mother of demons is Lilith, drawn from
Lili, the earliest written account on succubus was in acient Mesopotamia in 'The Alphabet of
Ben Sira', 3000B.C. Cuneiform inscription reference to vampyre is the 'Ekimmu' the 'Uruku' and
the seven demons.

lll}What is the difference between vampyre and vampire?

Many people in the vampire community choose to seperate the religion from media portrayal of
vampires. When referring to the religion 'vampyre' is appropriate. When referring to media portrayal
it is commonly appropriate to use vampire. Up until about 150 years ago, there were no rules for
writting. Vampire is modern spelling. Vampyre originated from phonetic spelling. The 'y' became
more in use closer to the Slavic countries throughout the 1700's.

lV}What are some common myths about the vampyre community?

a}Vampyrism is a disease.
Vampyrism is not a disease. Although it is not a disease it is still capable of affecting
the immune system. If you are being drained by someone you may experience a weakend immune
system. If you are the one doing the draining you may notice being weak less often. This increased
potency of the immune system stems from the life-force that you are extracting. If your immune
system is weaker thas usual then it could be from a number of things. There also is the possibility that your
energies are being drained by a psychic vampyre. If you suspect this to be the case then 'shield' or conduct
a banishing ritual. A shielding technique is given in the following section. There are other prevenatives.
Foremost it is the act of responsibility.
b}In order to practice vampyrism you have to be a vampyre.
This is another myth. You do not need to be born vampyre to practice vampyrism.
You are free to choose to practice vampyrism any time that you want. It takes time and patience. Some
people will advance quicker than others. This does not mean however that they were born vampyre or
that they were born with the knowledge of how to drain energy. This may mean that they have a natural
talent for it. It may take years for a person to master astral projection and psychic vampyrism. Some refer
to being 'awakened'. In this respect they were born with this knowledge to have become aware of their
gifts later on in life . However again, to practice vampyrism remains as choice.
If you want something bad enough then you will strive for it. Just stay patient and dont rush yourself. Remember,
"Rome wasn't built in a day".

V}How can I protect myself from psychic attack?
As mentioned before the act of being responsible to the responsible is foremost. The Inner Order of
the OrderofBlood will direct more knowledge to this subject.

The following technique is one exercise on how to shield, revised, in courtesy of Lucifers Realm.
Remember there is not a universal technique,. Use what works best for you.

The Solar Plexus Ego Shield
The ego protects the inner personality from harm and battery by being the buffer. Thus,
the ego is a shield, psychologically speaking. The ego corresponds to the solar plexus chakra.

Material Needed
A disk made from cardboard, wood or metal
Gold foil or another gold reflective gold material
Frankincense oil or another sun protective variety oil

The Construction of the Shield
Construct the shield by adhering the reflective material to the outside of the disk. You can decorate the
shield with a Rune or Sigil or another protective symbol.

Charging the Shield
Standing, place the shield on the floor between your feet so you can see it looking down. Take in a deep
breath. Using the unction, anoit your solar plexus. Begin the charging. The technique is similar to the
'Middle Pillar Rite' and the 'Circulation of the Body of Light. Imagine the sun at your feet. Move the sun
upwards through your chakras slowly, infusing each chakra with its powerful energy. As each chakra is
'illuminated' pause and use the illumination to cleanse it of any chords or entities. After you are finished with
your crown chakra, push the sun out of the top of your head, let it hover above your head for a minute.
Take in a few deep breaths, holding them in and releasing them slowly. Keep holding the sun above your head.
Then when you feel ready, pull the sun back into your body and throw it down rapidly up and down through
your chakras rapidly, breathing rapidly as you do this. Run it up and down your chakras several times and then
push the sun out of your solar plexus in an explosion, aiming the sun right at the shield on the floor. As you
explode, yell out a power word. You should feel tingling and/or exhausted. Slowly breathe again and return
to the mundane plane. Your shield is charged with your own power.

Uses for the Shield
A charged shield can be usued as a reflective device by holding it before your solar plexus and visualizing
any psychic attack as being reflected back on the attacker. If you feel totally drained of power, you can use
the above charging procedure in reverse to suck back in all the power into your solar plexus.
The shield will of course, be emptied and you will need to recharge it to use it again. You can build up a
powerful storehouse of energy and power in the shield by many recharges.

*If there is a question that you have that is not is the FAQ, you may apply for membership to the OoB forum.
You are welcome to present your question there.*
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Order_of-Blood

[khin666]

hmm, I've heard of this. How does one protect themselves from psychic vampires with less than healthy intent like you have. I just feel really drained a lot and I can't figure out why. This has happened before everytime a life change is coming for a few months I just feel tired almost constantly and get depressed, and I'm not usually like that. Is there a way to feed off ambient energy to supplement my loss? I'm pretty sure that I just get weakened by stress and maybe my energy is leaking or subconciously drained by people around me.

I would reccomend reading the Vampyre codex to start. It has a lot of good techniques there is also a good ritual in the faq that i just posted for protecting yourself from psychic attacks.....I would also reccomend visiting kheperu.org and reading the many articles that they have to offer. For more advanced stuff pick up the psychic vampyre codex. IF ANYONE WANTS AN HTML COPY OF THE VAMPYRE CODEX JUST DROP ME AN E-Mail at khin666@yahoo.com.

I know it's kind of far off but happy holidays everyone...... :santasmil

[Tisiphone]

I consider my self a vampi(y)re I spell it with an 'i', I could spell it either way, it's just when typing it doesn't come up as an error when you spell check. I've seen the Vampire Codex, I didn't have enough money at the time. I do feed off of people with out their consent, but in small amounts, and I never go out to harm anyone. I've never really talked to another vampyre. I don't consider being a vampyre my religion, it's what I am. Although I guess it would count as my religion.

Common misconception: Vampyres can see in the dark. I cannot see in the dark, not all vampyres can. I'm pretty much blind when there are no lights.

[Toby Stimpson]

I would also look at <a href="www.michellebelanger.com">Michelle Belanger's</a> website. There is an abridged version of the Codex on sacred-texts.com. A very good read.

[abrakus]

i don't know if it's possible but i'm a hybrid between the two. pyshic and blood vampyre, i spellit with a 'y' because it's just easier. "ww.vampiresamongus.com" is a good starting website for learning about vampyres, how to blood let, feed off energy and so on. i know a lot of vampyres, blood and psychic. vampyres dont technically live forever, well atleast their bodies don't. it's why alot of vampyres i know can recall the past and have deja vui quite frequently. there's too much to write down here but any questions and i'll try my hardest to answer them

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.

hey, i'd love to chat with you. i'm a sang vamp myself, though i dislike discussing my 'lifestyle' or whatever you'd like to call it with large groups of people, debating it on message boards. if you're interested in chatting, send me a pm or something. :hahugh:

[Zophael]

can't resist another vamp thread. yeah, I'm a psi-vamp. No, I don't live the lifestyle. Sure it looks like fun, but I'm not interested in basing my life on some image. I've got too many other interests and have no interest in going out of my way to be weird. I'm odd enough just being me. I don't really care to be a vamp. It's caused a lot of problems in the past, though I'm finally getting things under control. The term is something I'm uncomfortable with, but I've come to accept it as the best description of what we are.
I'm always open to conversation.

[abrakus]

Not many vamps i know don't live the lifestyle, i can't be bothered with it. to much effort and too many other things as well. all i need is the energy and blood not the rest of it.

[khin666]

can't resist another vamp thread. yeah, I'm a psi-vamp. No, I don't live the lifestyle. Sure it looks like fun, but I'm not interested in basing my life on some image. I've got too many other interests and have no interest in going out of my way to be weird. I'm odd enough just being me. I don't really care to be a vamp. It's caused a lot of problems in the past, though I'm finally getting things under control. The term is something I'm uncomfortable with, but I've come to accept it as the best description of what we are.
I'm always open to conversation.

I don't live the "vampyre lifestyle" either. I'm perfectly happy practicing psy vampyrism without changing who I am. Offline I share my personal beliefs with a very small group of people. To most people the subject of vampyrism is taboo. To advertise the fact that I am a vampyre would be dangerous....... :hailmol:

[abrakus]

people are very judgemental, only my very close frineds know. the word vampyres strikes up fear in people who dont understand. it's best that they just don't know or someone will probably feed you garlic and expect you to burst into flames. lol

[khin666]

people are very judgemental, only my very close frineds know. the word vampyres strikes up fear in people who dont understand. it's best that they just don't know or someone will probably feed you garlic and expect you to burst into flames. lol

no-one ever tried to feed me garlic. If they did I probably wouldn't care because I like it. LOL. Only a couple of people have found out without me telling them and all they did was ask me a whole bunch of cliche questions like "do you really drink blood?" I usually just tell them what they want to hear, spice it up a bit, and then walk away laughing to myself. Most of the time thats enough to get them to leave me alone.....

:hairraise

[abrakus]

yup i've had that, the favourite one is "do you have a soul? can you never get a happy?"
some people watch way too much buffy, granted i like it. partly because of alyson hannigan, :hahugh:

[DarkHeart13]

A lot of Vampyres out there are involved in Live Action Roleplaying Games. I personally consider Vampyrism to be a religion only because many of those claiming to be vampyres (no matter their take on it) all seem to share a lot of common beliefs,for example belief in the astral body and things such as reincarnation. I do not drink blood because of the risks involved but I practice a form known as psychic vampyrism in which I use visualization, meditation and the astral body to drain the life force of others. As a rule I never drain someone elses astral body without their consent. If nowone is willing or available then I feed from the ambient energies given off by the astral body which would otherwise be wasted or utilized by another astral being. I do not see vampyrism as a disease nor do i see the vampyre as a creature superior to the human race. To me the word Vampyre is merely a name given to those who practice Vampyrism. Nothing more. Nothing Less.

If you have any question don't be afraid to ask. The reason that I was looking for vampyres here is because the people on Vampyre message boards are either role-players or those with radical beliefs who only know of one way to get their point across. and that is violence. By asking this question here I was hoping to find some down to earth practiotners with a firm grasp on reality.

Thanks,

khin666

P.S. I noticed the pic of Marilyn Manson for your profile. Did you check out their new cd Lest We Forget. I think that it's awesome. It just goes to show that the hits of Marilyn Manson truly are the greatest!
Vampyrism really disgusts me. I had a friend who was a "vampyre" just because it was the "in" thing to do. She denied it but I could see right through it. Do you honestly feel it is essential for you to drain energies from others? Are you not strong enough to manipulate your own energies? That's pretty weak that you have to rely on someone else to do you any good. It's funny because vamps are thought to be very independant and from what you're telling me you're very DEPENDANT. Glad you don't drink blood or I'd have to laugh some more. Sorry to come off as rude but it's rude to me when someone manipulates others, whether you get their consent or not. Most people don't even understand vampyrism so if you even asked them most likely they would give you their permission because it wouldn't be important to them because they wouldn't understand.

[Clockwork_Eros]

DarkHeart-
whoa kiddo, calm down. I'm not a vamp, never really put much thought to it. Taking energy is the same as giving it. All ritual needs energy, and as Newton said best "Energy can be neither created nor destroyed"

So some people drink a little blood. So some people borrow energy from the auras or astrals or egos of other people. Who cares? What works for them works for them. If you don't like it, accept that there are paths, ideas, and actions that are not your own, and move on.

People collect energy as they live. So some people skim off the top-it's still an energy to manipulate; you aren't damaging the core being of a person by taking a sip at their energies. It seems to me you can do the same thing to their aura by moving too close to them too quickly.

basically, what I'm saying, is please try to be more accepting of other people's paths and ideals. Allow them their way of life, and they will allow you yours.


(I don't really consider myself a vamp, but if all it is is being able to manipulate other's energy, isn't everyone sort of a canidate? I mean I can do it, but, I don't. I find other ways cleaner and more efficient. I'm always curious about other peoples paths and systems)

[DarkHeart13]

DarkHeart-
whoa kiddo, calm down. I'm not a vamp, never really put much thought to it.

My post was to Khin666
Taking energy is the same as giving it. All ritual needs energy, and as Newton said best "Energy can be neither created nor destroyed"
Taking energy is NOT the same as giving it. When you take energy from someone you are making them weaker. When you give energy, you do not use your own, but you manipulate those around you, which is why you ground and center.

So some people drink a little blood.
You make it sound as though it is no big deal...it is inhumane.
So some people borrow energy from the auras or astrals or egos of other people. Who cares?
Obviously none of us who posted here care. We just thought we'd waste our time expressing out opinions.
What works for them works for them.
Killing people works for some people but that doesn't make it right.
If you don't like it, accept that there are paths, ideas, and actions that are not your own, and move on.
I have accepted it but there are some things so amazingly stupid that I feel I should say how I feel.

People collect energy as they live. So some people skim off the top-
And just what does that mean?
it's still an energy to manipulate; you aren't damaging the core being of a person by taking a sip at their energies.
How do you know? Ever been drained of your energies? Psi vamps drain others of their GOOD energy because THEY need it. It's a very selfish practice if you ask me.
It seems to me you can do the same thing to their aura by moving too close to them too quickly.
Yeah, and?
basically, what I'm saying, is please try to be more accepting of other people's paths and ideals. Allow them their way of life, and they will allow you yours.
I am accepting. I've questioned Satanism before too. I finally read about it and now I understand it. It is nowhere near close to my lifestyle but I accept others beliefs about it. Satanism can and does have at least a few good things to offer. If anything, I'm more open minded than I should be on some things. One thing I can't take is inhumane actions or stupidity. It's stupid to drain others of energy just because you can't manipulate your own by meditating or doing something that really matters and it is inhumane that someone goes around flaunting about how they drank someone's blood last weekend.


(I don't really consider myself a vamp, but if all it is is being able to manipulate other's energy, isn't everyone sort of a canidate? I mean I can do it, but, I don't. I find other ways cleaner and more efficient. I'm always curious about other peoples paths and systems)
I said psi vamps take others energy, not manipulate it. I said manipulate their own energy. I'm sure there are plenty of "nice" vamps out there. I'm not saying they are evil, but I know a lot about blood letting. I used to be a cutter, and that practice is very inhumane, but the difference is, is I did it to myself, not someone else. Someone who "needs" to drink blood either has a low blood count, not enough iron in their system, or a rare disease. The majority of "vampyres" do it for attention. Because the majority do, I'm just expressing my opinion. If someone really feels the need for blood, I can accept that, as weird as it may be. Someone who manipulates others energy by changing it into something positive for that person is not a vamp, but more of a healer. Someone who takes that person's good energy for their own use is a weak, selfish, cruel person. Any person in the right mind would not allow someone to do that. As for Astral Energy, whether they think that person is using it or not, it IS being used. It is used during their dreams, subconsciously. Whether someone purposefully uses it or not is not the case. Either way, Astral energy is being used. Khin666 may not be a poseur or someone wanting attention. Most "vamps" do, so I'm speaking out towards them, not necessarily someone who actually thinks they need someone's energy or blood.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Vampyrism really disgusts me. I had a friend who was a "vampyre" just because it was the "in" thing to do. She denied it but I could see right through it. Do you honestly feel it is essential for you to drain energies from others? Are you not strong enough to manipulate your own energies? That's pretty weak that you have to rely on someone else to do you any good. It's funny because vamps are thought to be very independant and from what you're telling me you're very DEPENDANT. Glad you don't drink blood or I'd have to laugh some more. Sorry to come off as rude but it's rude to me when someone manipulates others, whether you get their consent or not. Most people don't even understand vampyrism so if you even asked them most likely they would give you their permission because it wouldn't be important to them because they wouldn't understand.

ehm. won't even bother to comment on this. *cough*

very ignorant, judgemental bit of writing there.

[DarkHeart13]

ehm. won't even bother to comment on this. *cough*

very ignorant, judgemental bit of writing there.
Actually, you're right. That does come off as very judgemental, and maybe it is, but I've met vampyres before who claim to be something they're not. I was simply telling how I feel about "fake" vampyres. And maybe what I think about them is wrong, but I've met other "real" ones who say they like to drain people from their energies. Don't you think that's wrong? I know they couldn't possibly drain them of their bad energies because what energy they take from that person they use on themselves. What is the whole point of Vampyrism then? Does it not seem like someone is weak if they cannot learn how to gain more positive energies from within themselves? If you think it's so ignorant, then please, do correct me because it's pointless to hear someone say it's ignorant when they give no examples. If you feel like you want to correct me then go for it. I'm open to what you have to say because I'm sure you can teach me something if you really seem to think I'm judgemental and ignorant.
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

[khin666]

I said psi vamps take others energy, not manipulate it. I said manipulate their own energy. I'm sure there are plenty of "nice" vamps out there. I'm not saying they are evil, but I know a lot about blood letting. I used to be a cutter, and that practice is very inhumane, but the difference is, is I did it to myself, not someone else. Someone who "needs" to drink blood either has a low blood count, not enough iron in their system, or a rare disease. The majority of "vampyres" do it for attention. Because the majority do, I'm just expressing my opinion. If someone really feels the need for blood, I can accept that, as weird as it may be. Someone who manipulates others energy by changing it into something positive for that person is not a vamp, but more of a healer. Someone who takes that person's good energy for their own use is a weak, selfish, cruel person. Any person in the right mind would not allow someone to do that. As for Astral Energy, whether they think that person is using it or not, it IS being used. It is used during their dreams, subconsciously. Whether someone purposefully uses it or not is not the case. Either way, Astral energy is being used. Khin666 may not be a poseur or someone wanting attention. Most "vamps" do, so I'm speaking out towards them, not necessarily someone who actually thinks they need someone's energy or blood.

If vampyres disgust you so much then why are you wasting your time writing such a post let alone reading the thread. I take ambient energy given off and present in the atmosphere. most of this energy would never be used anyways. I don't need to drain astrally or through drinking blood in order to survive. If that were true I would have been dead a long time ago. I do it for the benefits recieved. The people that I do drain from are consenting amd don't care because they get just as strong of a rush being drained from as I do. In my relationships one hand washes the other.
draining. In my relationship one hand washes the other. It doesn't even take that much energy to satisfy my desires. No one is being harmed. I have no problem with people who claim that they need energy to survive, that's what they believe and I accept it because it cannot be proved or disproved that is why it is called a belief. I understand where your coming from. Many of the so called "Vampyres" out there either want attention or have absurd veiws. To speak out against all vampyres is very prejudice. You can speak out against vampyres all you want, But right now it seems to me as if your the one who needs attention. I don't mean to insult you but if I have oh well because by your post you have insulted me and I believe that is what you intended to do. You knew exactly the kind of response you would get by posting that. If you wish to debate that's fine with me but there needs to be a certain amount of respect. That is all that I am saying at the moment.

P.S. There is no-case of any disease in which anyone had to consume blood in order to combat a disease or defiency. Although there are diseases or disorders etc. that might require a blood transfusion. From that statement alone I can tell that you have not studied vampyrism from a logical perspective.

[DarkHeart13]

If vampyres disgust you so much then why are you wasting your time writing such a post let alone reading the thread. I take ambient energy given off and present in the atmosphere. most of this energy would never be used anyways. I don't need to drain astrally or through drinking blood in order to survive. If that were true I would have been dead a long time ago. I do it for the benefits recieved. The people that I do drain from are consenting amd don't care because they get just as strong of a rush being drained from as I do. In my relationships one hand washes the other.
draining. In my relationship one hand washes the other. It doesn't even take that much energy to satisfy my desires. No one is being harmed. I have no problem with people who claim that they need energy to survive, that's what they believe and I accept it because it cannot be proved or disproved that is why it is called a belief. I understand where your coming from. Many of the so called "Vampyres" out there either want attention or have absurd veiws. To speak out against all vampyres is very prejudice. You can speak out against vampyres all you want, But right now it seems to me as if your the one who needs attention. I don't mean to insult you but if I have oh well because by your post you have insulted me and I believe that is what you intended to do. You knew exactly the kind of response you would get by posting that. If you wish to debate that's fine with me but there needs to be a certain amount of respect. That is all that I am saying at the moment.

P.S. There is no-case of any disease in which anyone had to consume blood in order to combat a disease or defiency. Although there are diseases or disorders etc. that might require a blood transfusion. From that statement alone I can tell that you have not studied vampyrism from a logical perspective.
If vampyres disgust you so much then why are you wasting your time writing such a post let alone reading the thread.

Well it's kind of like this: Rape disgusts me. Murder disgusts me. A lot of things disgust me, vampirism being one of them. If I came across a thread that had to do with rape I would read it to see what was going on. I've actually seen threads about rape where the RAPIST and not the RAPEE was talking about how nice it was to HURT people. I speak out against things that are bothersome to others.

I take ambient energy given off and present in the atmosphere. most of this energy would never be used anyways.

But some of it would.

The people that I do drain from are consenting amd don't care because they get just as strong of a rush being drained from as I do.

I'm sure they do feel something, such as a strong wave of WEAKNESS. You are the only "vampyre" that has ever said that and I've talked to others before.

I have no problem with people who claim that they need energy to survive, that's what they believe and I accept it because it cannot be proved or disproved that is why it is called a belief.

I too believe we all need energy to survive. It has been proven that we all have energy. Last year I had a lot of negative energy because I was a self-mutilator, I stopped seeing my dad, etc. All those things really hurt me so I was consumed by negativity. I had heard of vampirism before but I never once thought I would drain others of their positive energy. Instead I took it upon myself to manipulate my own energies, to transform the negative into the positive. I got Reiki done and I learned how to do chakra work. I also lit candles because they are proven to have energy. You can do all these things to better yourself without taking from another. Sounds to me like you're just taking the easy way out if you can't figure out how to make yourself better without mooching off of someone else's energy. Think about it, if you take someone's good energy, with or without their consent, you are draining them of what they had. Now how is that beneficial to that person?

But right now it seems to me as if your the one who needs attention.

But right now it seems to me as if you're the one who needs attention or else you wouldn't have said that just because you were upset that I was speaking out against vampyres. I don't consider it attention seeking for standing up for your beliefs. I'd call it attention seeking if I said something like, "Vampyres are stupid," and left it at that. But I gave you reasons for why I believe the way I do so therefore I was simply expressing my views. You can think what you want. I'm not out there to impress those who don't impress me and "vampyres" don't impress me.

by your post you have insulted me and I believe that is what you intended to do.

I didn't intend to insult you. I intended to say how I felt and whether you liked it or not, I don't care. You can't always have positive feelings about everything. My feelings toward vampirism are not very positive at all so anything I say about vampyres will most likely be an insult. Doesn't mean I'm trying to insult you, just means I'm saying my piece.

If you wish to debate that's fine with me but there needs to be a certain amount of respect.
Funny, that's what I was thinking. Why don't you respect yourself and others around you by learning how to change your own energy into something positive?

P.S. There is no-case of any disease in which anyone had to consume blood in order to combat a disease or defiency.
Yes there is. Go look it up.

From that statement alone I can tell that you have not studied vampyrism from a logical perspective

There's nothing logical about drinking blood or draining others from energy.

[Clockwork_Eros]

Now, I'm not defending vampirism, or attacking your conviction, Darkheart, but please try to be more accepting. You have no room to judge unless you yourself have experienced what you are judging. I'm not a mod, not even close, but I would like to ask you to please stop. My experience on MysticWicks has been wonderful because we all get along, whether we condone, share, accept, each others paths and ideals. You don't like what they do, well then, move on and do something you enjoy. The nature of this site is diversity. I don't understand your opinion, based on what I've read here, but it's yours to have. However, it is not yours to consistently throw around interlaced with barbs and insults. Give a coherent and intelligent reason for why you dislike something. Or better yet, don't speak at all. Just because it's red to you, doesn't mean others don't see it as green.

I'd like you to think about what the thread was started for. Khin wanted to talk to other like minded people. This was not set up as a debate, not set up to weight the pros and cons of actions and ideas. It was not asking for an opinion, not searching for validation.

I quite frankly don't give any number of profanities as to whether or not you like someone elses path. It does not matter. It is THEIRS not YOURS, and therefore you have no place trying to make them feel inferior or guilty. What a person believes is important to them, and by saying you are disgusted by their ways, you might as well just say that they disgust you.

Now, I find the fact that you (perhaps unwittingly) clumped them in with rapists and murders rather unsettling. You made a rather harsh opinion, which was ok. But it is not your place to proselytize, to try and save anyone, to attempt to belittle ANYONE simply because they act differently. You know nothing about these people. (Neither do I, but I let them be.)

Now, please stop belittling khin and the others in this thread. I don't care how they make you feel, they aren't harming you. (People are disgusted by blacks, by gays, by women with power, by foreigners, by christians, by jews, by muslims, sunis, pagans. Hate is still hate. And no one of african descent should realize they are inferior, no homosexual should realize they need to have sex with the opposite gender, no woman should realize she needs to stay in the kitchen, and no one should realize that what works for them is therefore wrong. Your moral highground works for you. Grand, keep it, high and dry. Let these kids jump through the puddles you envision them in)

This is my request: just stop. Whatever gratification you get by telling them how much you are disgusted by their ways, how they need more respect for themselves, how they hurt people, is no different from what you feel they are doing. You could be hurting them, and therefore should think yourself no better. So please, just stop.

[merlo]

you guys are deep. interesting reading, I admire firm positions on topics, even if I don't agree. caio

[abrakus]

everyone's opinion is different, voicing your opinion is one thing but attacking is another. i'm feeling slightly offended by what you've said but it is your opinion, i respect you for saying it, but couldn't you have found a slightly more discreet way of saying it? i personally ask permission just because its a nice thing to do. i don't see the problem in taking energy or blood if the person your taking it from knows whats going to happen. i practise reiki and i heal people in return for what they give me. there are some "evil vamps" out there, yes i agree. but all the ones i know are respectful people and never do anything without permission. i am not making an attack, just voicing my opinions.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

Actually, you're right. That does come off as very judgemental, and maybe it is, but I've met vampyres before who claim to be something they're not. I was simply telling how I feel about "fake" vampyres.
you should perhaps try being specific when you decide to blast people.


And maybe what I think about them is wrong, but I've met other "real" ones who say they like to drain people from their energies. Don't you think that's wrong? I know they couldn't possibly drain them of their bad energies because what energy they take from that person they use on themselves. What is the whole point of Vampyrism then?
dear. you need to read. there's no point of forming an opinion if it's based on what few losers you have come into contact with as opposed to the community as a whole.

i'm a real vamp, i must say. it's consentual, and sometimes it's just blood or extra energy that a really hyper person has. any vamp with any sense of ethics will put their donor first. it's too bad you've met more 'bad' people, but whatever. i still think it's fecking rude what you've said, very... rude. yes. rude.

you should perhaps do some research, talk to more vamps. it's not enough to base an opinion off of one or two assholes.


Does it not seem like someone is weak if they cannot learn how to gain more positive energies from within themselves?
it's actually a medical condition that i read about somewhere. this you would know if you read more.

i know some really positive people that are vamps. it's their nature, they can't help it. they're really, really good people. you have no right to judge anyone if they're low on energy. they can't help it. it's medical.


If you think it's so ignorant, then please, do correct me because it's pointless to hear someone say it's ignorant when they give no examples.
forgive me. your posts are so full of ignorance i scarcely know where to begin.


If you feel like you want to correct me then go for it. I'm open to what you have to say because I'm sure you can teach me something if you really seem to think I'm judgemental and ignorant.
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

[DarkHeart13]

Well here are some things others have said about bad experiences with "vampyres."
I used to live with a girl who I believe to be a psychic vampire, though I think she just does what she does without knowing that's what it's called.

They're horrible to be around - I don't see what's so hard about drawing life force from the Earth or trees or anything that can endure it better. At least trees don't beome bedridden and get crap grades as a result.
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I believe that there are psychic vampires, and I'm sure many of us have encountered a few in our lifetimes. http://thepagangrove.com/forum/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif

As far as vampires that drink blood, I think it's more of an iron defficiency than anything else. I'm sure there are many people who think they're "vampires", but more likely than not, they like to hang out at night and wear lots of sunblock. http://thepagangrove.com/forum/images/smiles/shrug.gif
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think it's a giant crock, but a great vehicle for the "Hey!! Look at me!!!!" crowd to draw attention to themselves.

The human digestive system just doesn't work in a way that permits the drinking of blood to be worth diddly.

The psychic vampire stuff will have effects on those that allow it to. Otherwise, it's no different from any other mojo or whammy or poof someone wants to work on you. It's one part belief that they can actually have some measure of control over you and one part not taking even the most basic measures to protect one's self.
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I met two-and-a-half. Well, three I suppose.
One of them didn't realize what she was doing. The other realized full well what he was doing I think, but quickly lost interest once he figured I wasn't an easy pray and left me alone. The third is a whole different story and too long to tell. A lot more persistant and very clever in disguise and stuff.

But trust me, they are real. Lots of people are vampires, some more than others, they don't drink blood though, they drink energy, warmth - sort of. Your blood's what takes the warmth around your body, so it's not surprising stories emerged about them drinking blood.
The ones I met obviously weren't drinking "only from donors", they were finding people to prey upon.
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Do I believe in vampires? ~ No. I believe there are people who THINK they are vampires, usually people who have very over active imaginations.

Psychic vampires ~ now that's another matter. There are certain people who seem to have this knack of draining you mentally, but who's problem is that, ours or theirs?

Theirs, because they're control freaks, or ours because we're emotionally insecure and weak?

Personally, if I feel someone is attempting to drain me emotionally, I steer well clear.
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believe in vampires, both Psychic and blood drinkers, but not as hollywood would like to have us believe. I was t one time invited & sponsered to join a vampire coven, as a vamp, not a donor. I used to be heavily into the whole idea of vampires, but as I researched and learned, the more I found most to be less then appealing.
I also had a friend who was a psychic vampire, in the context he could drain you of energy, but by no means did it without your knowing. He knew what he was doing, but warned me to be carefull because most who label themselves as vamps are in more need of psychological help than they want to admit.
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excuse my ignorance but I really just don't get it. I believe in psych vamps and really think that what's happening to me is because of one-however he kept it very, very secret. I've always been interested in Vampires and things associated with them for years, growing up with a mom who loves old horror movies will have this effect on you http://thepagangrove.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif One of my favourite books is Stoker's Dracula, and I agree with everything that's been said about it's history. Stoker was an angry man when he wrote it. But the thing I don't get is, is a person can just decide to drain you of your energy andmes swith your head and know that you will know what he/she is doing and that if you didn't know about grounding/sheilding you'd have to put up with it indefinately. If I didn't know about grounding/sheilding now, how long would I have had to put up with this? It just seems really unfair and very cruel.
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Psi vampires are selfish weaklings TO ME. One thing I've learned from Wicca studies is that you can manipulate those energies around you. You can do healing exercises on yourself to gain more positive energies or you can ground and center, take it from mother nature. Energy is within everything, especially candles, stones, etc. Why take it from an innocent human? Spending time with a cat can give you and the cat both positive energy. If you won't even try to do those things first then that's selfish, lazy, and weak. I don't mean to sound negative but the truth isn't always some giddy explanation that allows you to jump up and down with a smile on your face.
Vamps who drink blood.....either they have a disease or they do that for attention. I drank my own blood once because I couldn't find a band aid for this cut on my arm. That wasn't the grosest thing I've ever done, but it wasn't the greatest either. It's stupid. There's no point in it.
I am a very open minded person but I know stupidity when I witness it. I'm sure I'm one of the few followers of Christ who doesn't think Satanism is so bad after all or who doesn't shun people because they are different. It's fairly easy to accept that there are other people with different beliefs, but I don't think it's a belief that you have to drink blood or that you have to drain others of their energy. (this is what I said on that forum and THOSE people agreed)
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Now let me just say on the first day I posted to Khin, I was having a cruddy day. That's not an excuse, it's the reason why I was so negative. I don't know how to positively say "I think vampirism is wrong" without sounding mean. You might have taken my posts as "personal attacks" because I said I think people who claim to be vamps are weak. That's not a personal attack. That's what I think. A personal attack is where someone intends to hurt someone's feelings. I didn't intend to hurt anyone. I knew when I posted it would most likely hurt someone's feelings but like I said, I really can't think of a way to express how I feel about this in a positive way because I don't feel very positive about vampyrism.
but please try to be more accepting
If you can think of a way I can be more accepting tell me and I'll honestly try it.
You have no room to judge unless you yourself have experienced what you are judging.
There's a difference between judging and KNOWING. I have experienced vampyrism. My friend who claimed to be a "real" vampyre may have actually been a psi vampire without realizing it because just looking at a picture of her gave me negative energy.
I'm not a mod, not even close, but I would like to ask you to please stop.
Stop standing up for what I believe in? No. It's America, and I have the right to speak out against or for anything I want. It's like this, Bush speaks out against Gay people. I feel that's wrong and that hurts my feelings somewhat because Gay people don't need to be treated unfairly. However, I'm sure he didn't intend to hurt any Gay person's feelings. Like me, he was standing up for his beliefs and if he hurt someone's feelings in the process, too bad.
You don't like what they do, well then, move on and do something you enjoy. The nature of this site is diversity.
I enjoy this site too. This is the first time I've ever spoke out against something on here. I didn't mean to hurt anyone, although I did. I wanted to know why Khin couldn't just get energy in other ways. I don't think I've met anybody who would gladly give up their positive energy just because someone else doesn't know how to get it from within themself.
I'd like you to think about what the thread was started for. Khin wanted to talk to other like minded people. This was not set up as a debate, not set up to weight the pros and cons of actions and ideas. It was not asking for an opinion, not searching for validation.
Satanism is the only religion I know of where you have to be asked for your opinion before you give it. I'm not a Satanist. I can and will give it any time I want. However, you're right. This thread was not set up for debate. I understand Vampyrism but I don't understand WHY. WHY won't vamps give other things a chance. WHY must they take from others?
It is THEIRS not YOURS, and therefore you have no place trying to make them feel inferior or guilty.
I wasn't trying to make them feel anything. I was simply saying how I felt. However THEY feel is up to them. You tell me one good thing about vampyrism and I'll stop "bashing" it. Seriously, I'd actually like to find something worthy about it but thus far, I haven't, not even when I was initially quite interested in the whole practice of it.
What a person believes is important to them, and by saying you are disgusted by their ways, you might as well just say that they disgust you.
All right then: They disgust me.
Now, I find the fact that you (perhaps unwittingly) clumped them in with rapists and murders rather unsettling. You made a rather harsh opinion, which was ok. But it is not your place to proselytize, to try and save anyone, to attempt to belittle ANYONE simply because they act differently. You know nothing about these people. (Neither do I, but I let them be.)
Well, well, well. Look who's judging now. I know nothing about these people do I? I have met them before IN PERSON. I only clumped them with rapists because well...how do I say this: I was raped before, for 3 years straight. I know what it's like to have all my positive energy drained. I'm not saying vampyres are as bad as rapists. But when you drain someone of their positive energy, it makes them feel almost as if they were dead. Now, you can feed off of each other's positive energy, but what is the use in that? Back to what I was saying: It is not my place to try to save anyone? So if I see someone about to be drained of their energy I should let it happen? If I see a helpess child screaming I should let them be? You were very general about that statement....
Now, please stop belittling khin and the others in this thread. I don't care how they make you feel, they aren't harming you. (People are disgusted by blacks, by gays, by women with power, by foreigners, by christians, by jews, by muslims, sunis, pagans. Hate is still hate. And no one of african descent should realize they are inferior, no homosexual should realize they need to have sex with the opposite gender, no woman should realize she needs to stay in the kitchen, and no one should realize that what works for them is therefore wrong.
I'm not belittling anyone. I'm simply saying there are other things Khin could do rather than feeding off of someone else. To say it is a weak, lazy, selfish thing for someone to drain someone of their positivity WITHOUT trying something else, that's not belittling. That's the truth. Now, what works for someone else may not work for me or you. I understand that. But doing something wrong doesn't work for anybody. Khin said he asked permission before he could get their energy. If he takes their positive energy, how are they going to feel? Now, it's their choice whether they want to feel like crap all day because they let someone drain them, but at least he asks. Right now I'm talking about those who don't ask. Gay people fighting for their rights is perfectly fine because Gay people don't harm anyone. VAMPIRES DO.
This is my request: just stop. Whatever gratification you get by telling them how much you are disgusted by their ways, how they need more respect for themselves, how they hurt people, is no different from what you feel they are doing. You could be hurting them, and therefore should think yourself no better. So please, just stop
Yes I'm sure the truth hurts. I'm not going to apologize for saying what I feel is right but I will apologize for being so negative. I will think about this and if I can find a way to say how I feel positively, I will make a repost. I am sorry if what I wrote has hurt some of you but I'm not going to apologize for saying that vampirism is wrong because it's how I feel. And I'm not saying this based on NOTHING. I have had experiences with energy drainage.
IF anyone can give me some good sites about vampyrism, what they do that is POSITIVE then I will gladly read it. I'm sure I'm only being negative because I have only heard bad things and only experienced bad things. If anyone has experienced something good please tell me what it is. I'm sure that there's at least one good experience out there...I'm just waiting to hear it......

[DarkHeart13]

you should perhaps try being specific when you decide to blast people
How was I not?
dear. you need to read. there's no point of forming an opinion if it's based on what few losers you have come into contact with as opposed to the community as a whole.
I have read.
i'm a real vamp, i must say. it's consentual, and sometimes it's just blood or extra energy that a really hyper person has.
My god-brother is very hyper and full of positive energy. However the slightest thing can bring him down into a state of deep depression. What if you had met him and thought, "Oh well, he's hyper. I can use his energy." A little bit of drainage from him would have brought him down.
i still think it's fecking rude what you've said, very... rude. yes. rude.
I didn't mean to be rude. I just said what I felt like saying. If you think that's rude, fine. I think draining someone of their positive energy is rude.
it's actually a medical condition that i read about somewhere. this you would know if you read more.
Funny, most vamps I've spoken to would be very offended by that little remark. They think they are perfectly normal. Which, if you had read my other posts you would have seen where I said something about a medical condition.
i know some really positive people that are vamps. it's their nature, they can't help it. they're really, really good people. you have no right to judge anyone if they're low on energy. they can't help it. it's medical.
Yeah, my step dad who raped me had a very positive attitude. It was his nature. He couldn't help it. That makes it right, though doesn't it? I'm not judging because vamps are low on energy. I'm judging because they have to take from others. SELFISH. I'm very low on energy. Physically and mentally. I've been low for years and I've been going to Reiki treatments for it. It's helping. See, why can't you just do something like that? I know so many positive people around here that I would have no trouble getting some of their energy, but it is WRONG. Didn't your mother ever tell you it's wrong to steal? You're stealing their energy.
forgive me. your posts are so full of ignorance i scarcely know where to begin
That's allright. That's how I feel about vampyrism.

[DarkHeart13]

Here...let's see if this makes things any better because I surely didn't try to hurt anyone. Although not caring whether you hurt someone or not is just as bad. But I thought all vampires didn't care whether they hurt someone or not since they were draining those of their positive energies. That is why I did not care.
“Drain”

In the distance you can sense someone redeeming

All I see are selfish and absurd

I faked a smile, ‘cause I was on trial for what I didn’t deserve

All awake, lying down, inside this empty gown

Turn away, in disgrace, hold me down as I drown



All the ways I fought were dead to you

Only know what got you this far

Backing up I see you laughing

Maybe you’re not so bad after all

But my soul keeps on dying



And in the midst, I can barely see anything at all

It’s clouding up my insides

You’re barely a memory at all

If I’m wrong about you, why do you take me away?

Drain me of this day?

Everything that glistens is sure to fade



All the ways I fought were dead to you

Only know what got you this far

Backing up I see you laughing

Maybe you’re not so bad after all

But my soul keeps on dying



I didn’t judge you, I only knew you for what you said you were

I must have hurt you, only pained you, with the use of my words

Never never meant to….I never never wanted this….

Never never meant to….I never never wanted this….

Never never meant to….I only wanted this to end………..



Songs are much easier to explain how I feel about things so hopefully you will understand it. That is how I feel about people who drain energy who claim to be vampires. That’s also about people who just drain you of everything positive whether they claim to be a vampire or not. That’s not about ALL vampires. That’s about ALL people who drain someone of their happiness no matter who or what they are.





“Sorry 2005” Haha Ruben Studdard!!!

Crimson tears can stain your face

Flowers can discard me for ruining their grace

Angels above can sing to me

Demons below can be so possessing

Torturing lives all around us

Screaming knives stab us. ****!

What are we doing here? LUCK!

I find it inside of us



Apologies, my bittersweet eulogies

Sorries are for worries, my worry over you

Apologies for my most bitter rantings

Sorry is for coiling, coiling over you



Innocence lies within the essence of brutal eyes

Brutality is only just a face, a face you can wipe away

Stainless steel eyes inside our heads

Erase them of their guilty pleasures, don’t force them to be fed

I only hope that goodness can lie within everything

But if so, someone please take this negativity away



Apologies, my bittersweet eulogies

Sorries are for worries, my worry over you

Apologies for my most bitter rantings

Sorry is for coiling, coiling over you.



My apology to all the vamps I have bashed. I still don’t agree with your practices. I still believe they are wrong. I am not apologizing for the way I believe, but for how I said it and how I made you feel.

[Toby Stimpson]

*claps slowly and mockingly* Well done darling...well done. In three posts you have not only been able to destroy a good thread, but also bring down the entire function of this website. Well done! My dear there is a way to disagree...and that is to challeneg and ask question...not bring into the thread guerilla tactics similar to closed minded proselytizing.(i.e. Evangelical Christian websites found in the Witch Hunts series.) First of all....here we dont go on 'what other people say'...we go on experiance. I can tell you that from my experiance, Vampyres and members of the Vampyre subculture do not take and feed from the unwilling...and if they do then they are rare. Of the Vampyres i know, and of those more popular ones...they will ask to feed...not take energy unwillingly. Those are human vampires of course...the spiritual vampires, so to speak, are more ambivalent in nature and cannot be held by Human standards.

Now, that being said...may I say this...and by all means community members, scold me for these words, but I feel they are necessary. You seem to be very young Darkheart, and the young do not always think about what they are saying. Hold your tongue, instead of spouting and appearing like an idiot, listen and look, and draw conslusions based on those things...not on what you have heard in old wives tales. That, regrettably, is the horrible truth of the young, and years later when they do look back, they see that they were wrong, or misguided. Further more, this website is here in order to grow and learn about each other...not to blast a member of a community you obviously don't understand...open your eyes and see the truths of the universe before you, before talking as though the end of your nose is the absolute truths. Namaste.

Tobias

[Zophael]

Ok, Dark Heart. I highly suggest you read the Psychic Vampire Codex by Michelle Bellanger or at least check out the abridged version on her site: http://www.michellebelanger.com/

Another good resource is: http://www.sanguinarius.org/

Most true vampires hold to a code of ethics to some degree or another.
Your terrible experiences are most likely encounters with some other entities with vampire-like abilities. Vampires aren't the only things that can drain energy. It is, of course, quite possible that you encountered some of the few really vicious predatory vamps that give the whole community a bad rep. We are just like ordinary people when it comes to good and evil.

Some other things to keep in mind.

One: Unawakened vamps are a danger not only to others, but themselves. They are much like Lennie of Of Mice and Men. I know from personal experience and it took me a very long time to connect the dots and accept what I was.

Two: You are correct in assuming vampires to be very dependent. Maybe that's why some are inclined to overcompensate with an image of independence. However all things are interdependent, just in different ways.

Three: Vampires can actually perform good. For example: I have been able to drain excess negative energy off of people to help them feel better. Again, see the codex to learn about our place in the energy cycle.

This info primarily refers to psi-vamps. Psi-vampirism is not a medical condition in any known physical way. I've heard many stories that our sanguine cousins suffer from a virus (sometimes likened to HIV), but I have yet to see any convincing evidence leaning either way.

[DarkHeart13]

*claps slowly and mockingly* Well done darling...well done. In three posts you have not only been able to destroy a good thread, but also bring down the entire function of this website. Well done! My dear there is a way to disagree...and that is to challeneg and ask question...not bring into the thread guerilla tactics similar to closed minded proselytizing.(i.e. Evangelical Christian websites found in the Witch Hunts series.) First of all....here we dont go on 'what other people say'...we go on experiance. I can tell you that from my experiance, Vampyres and members of the Vampyre subculture do not take and feed from the unwilling...and if they do then they are rare. Of the Vampyres i know, and of those more popular ones...they will ask to feed...not take energy unwillingly. Those are human vampires of course...the spiritual vampires, so to speak, are more ambivalent in nature and cannot be held by Human standards.

Now, that being said...may I say this...and by all means community members, scold me for these words, but I feel they are necessary. You seem to be very young Darkheart, and the young do not always think about what they are saying. Hold your tongue, instead of spouting and appearing like an idiot, listen and look, and draw conslusions based on those things...not on what you have heard in old wives tales. That, regrettably, is the horrible truth of the young, and years later when they do look back, they see that they were wrong, or misguided. Further more, this website is here in order to grow and learn about each other...not to blast a member of a community you obviously don't understand...open your eyes and see the truths of the universe before you, before talking as though the end of your nose is the absolute truths. Namaste.

Tobias
Actually, you're right. You're absolutely right. That's why I posted my songs because I'm sorry. I based my posts on not only what others have said, but the few things I have experienced. I've had a very bad week this week so I posted here, not to hurt anyone, but to say how I felt. I actually can't believe I said those horrible things about Khin and other innocent vampires. I can't take it back so I'm not going to try to. I'm saying I'm sorry because I am. I hope you all understand.

[DarkHeart13]

Ok, Dark Heart. I highly suggest you read the Psychic Vampire Codex by Michelle Bellanger or at least check out the abridged version on her site: http://www.michellebelanger.com/

Another good resource is: http://www.sanguinarius.org/

Most true vampires hold to a code of ethics to some degree or another.
Your terrible experiences are most likely encounters with some other entities with vampire-like abilities. Vampires aren't the only things that can drain energy. It is, of course, quite possible that you encountered some of the few really vicious predatory vamps that give the whole community a bad rep. We are just like ordinary people when it comes to good and evil.

Some other things to keep in mind.

One: Unawakened vamps are a danger not only to others, but themselves. They are much like Lennie of Of Mice and Men. I know from personal experience and it took me a very long time to connect the dots and accept what I was.

Two: You are correct in assuming vampires to be very dependent. Maybe that's why some are inclined to overcompensate with an image of independence. However all things are interdependent, just in different ways.

Three: Vampires can actually perform good. For example: I have been able to drain excess negative energy off of people to help them feel better. Again, see the codex to learn about our place in the energy cycle.

This info primarily refers to psi-vamps. Psi-vampirism is not a medical condition in any known physical way. I've heard many stories that our sanguine cousins suffer from a virus (sometimes likened to HIV), but I have yet to see any convincing evidence leaning either way.
Thank you. I will surely check those sites out. Honestly, you did not have to be so kind. I can't believe I said those things about vampyres. I don't know what came over me. I woke up this morning, and I just knew I had made a terrible mistake. Vampyres are not so bad after all. I am terribly sorry for saying those rude things, to all of you. I'm sure I have made you feel very bad. This site has done nothing but good for me, and in return, I slapped it in the face. I slapped all of you in the face. I reread all my previous posts, and I am absolutely horrified at how I presented myself. I totally screwed everything up and have ruined many of your experiences. I'm not asking you to forgive me. I'm not saying this so I can "get on your good side." I'm saying it because I made a mistake. What you make of my apology is up to you.
Blessed Be, all of you,
Jada Raine

[Zophael]

DH13, if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. I'm not interested in harboring grudges. Life's much better without them.

[DarkHeart13]

DH13, if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. I'm not interested in harboring grudges. Life's much better without them.
I read Michelle Belanger's book online on sacred-texts.com. I learned a lot about vamps....it's just the ones I spoke to were very selfish people. I only skimmed through it because I didn't have a lot of time so I might have missed it, but why are people who can manipulate/control energies known as psi vampyres instead of another name? How did they get that one? Again, I'm very sorry for what I said......
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

[Zophael]

I read Michelle Belanger's book online on sacred-texts.com. I learned a lot about vamps....it's just the ones I spoke to were very selfish people. I only skimmed through it because I didn't have a lot of time so I might have missed it, but why are people who can manipulate/control energies known as psi vampyres instead of another name? How did they get that one? Again, I'm very sorry for what I said......
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

An excellent question. This is probably going to come across very clumsy but I'll try to answer. Like all people we wanted to know who and what we are. Generally people need to have terms to define ourselves and we vamps were desperate for a descriptive term. There is a parallel between the feeding of classical vampires of fiction and psi-vamps. While uncomfortable with this ill-fitting term, psi-vamps reluctantly accepted it as the closest term available.
My personal feeling is that a negative term was easier to accept because of all the negative experiences that one usually has before awakening. In some ways I think we feel guilty for our past sins commited in ignorance and accept the title as a badge of shame. (Just thinking out loud here)
I never felt comfortable with the term and thus it took me 10 years to accept what I was and get used to the redefinition of the word.

Chapter IV in the book goes into a little more detail on our quest for definition. I don't think it's in the online version.

[Antoninus]

There IS an actual medical condition that can make a person appear dead-ish (White, cold skin) and that creates an intense psychological need for blood. The name escapes me at the moment.

As far as vampires of myth and movies...I think they exist but not in the way movies have them out to. I think they DO need blood to survive and do have an un-naturally long, if not indefinate, lifespan, but I dont think they can actually CHANGE someone. Vampires that worked the way they do in the movies wouldnt be good because they would eventually run out of people to feed on, even though people multiply quickly, eventually the vampire population would out-grow its food supply and then were would they be?

[DarkHeart13]

An excellent question. This is probably going to come across very clumsy but I'll try to answer. Like all people we wanted to know who and what we are. Generally people need to have terms to define ourselves and we vamps were desperate for a descriptive term. There is a parallel between the feeding of classical vampires of fiction and psi-vamps. While uncomfortable with this ill-fitting term, psi-vamps reluctantly accepted it as the closest term available.
My personal feeling is that a negative term was easier to accept because of all the negative experiences that one usually has before awakening. In some ways I think we feel guilty for our past sins commited in ignorance and accept the title as a badge of shame. (Just thinking out loud here)
I never felt comfortable with the term and thus it took me 10 years to accept what I was and get used to the redefinition of the word.

Chapter IV in the book goes into a little more detail on our quest for definition. I don't think it's in the online version.
Hmm...kind of like someone who calls themself a Witch today right? People who know nothing about Witches assume they are devil worshippers, assume they are bad people, which is exactly what I was doing about Vampyres. A lot of people think that each person is born with the ability to manipulate energies, it is only if you can find it within yourself, which is the major factor. So what does it mean to "awake?" What does that feel like? What do YOU consider a vampyre? Anyone who can feed off on energies or is it as simple as being able to control the energy forces around you? A lot of Witches have different views on energy so I just wanna know what you think.....
I have 18 emails left to answer so I better get to it!!
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

[Zophael]

Hmm...kind of like someone who calls themself a Witch today right? People who know nothing about Witches assume they are devil worshippers, assume they are bad people, which is exactly what I was doing about Vampyres. A lot of people think that each person is born with the ability to manipulate energies, it is only if you can find it within yourself, which is the major factor. So what does it mean to "awake?" What does that feel like? What do YOU consider a vampyre? Anyone who can feed off on energies or is it as simple as being able to control the energy forces around you? A lot of Witches have different views on energy so I just wanna know what you think.....
I have 18 emails left to answer so I better get to it!!
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

I agree that most anyone can manipulate energies to varying degrees. 'Awakening' is the process of self-realization. An awakened vampire is aware of what they are and the effect they have on those around them.
I toyed around with the notion that I was a vampire for many years. The realization came when someone called me an 'emotional black hole'. I didn't get angry, in fact I smiled. In that instant everything was clear.

The defining part of vampires is need. Vampires require regular and significant intakes of energy to function like a normal person. The frequency of 'feeding' varies from individual to individual. Those who are deprived for too long suffer physically, emotionally and spiritually. Persons who suffer from extreme stresses quite frequently exhibit vampiric tendencies, but they go away when the stresses go away. For a vampire, the need never goes away.

[Toby Stimpson]

A question for you all...would a person who feels great when talking to people about their problems be drawing energy from those people in a vampiric way?

[Antoninus]

A question for you all...would a person who feels great when talking to people about their problems be drawing energy from those people in a vampiric way?
Mmmm...Id say it depends. If the other person feels really tired and drained, then...maybe. But Its hard to give a definitive answer to that question

[Threase]

A question for you all...would a person who feels great when talking to people about their problems be drawing energy from those people in a vampiric way?

There are energy vampires out there, yeah

[Zophael]

A question for you all...would a person who feels great when talking to people about their problems be drawing energy from those people in a vampiric way?

Umm...yes. But I say this with some hesitation. What makes it vampiric is the balance of energy exchange. Usually when someone is talking about their problems they are drawing more than they give, leaving the listener drained to some degree.

[Toby Stimpson]

and if the listener enjoys talking to ppl in that way...but doesn't feel drained afterwards...what then?...I ask only becasue I have this weird tendancy and nack of destroying barriers with a lot of people who are facing life problems...and it's the only way I can really bond with people...other than when talking about spirituality. This thing is, I do not feel drained afterwards and feel nothing when talking to them about it...infact I can sit and talk to some one for hours and not feel a thing except joy at them bringing up things and thinking for themselves...

[DarkHeart13]

I agree that most anyone can manipulate energies to varying degrees. 'Awakening' is the process of self-realization. An awakened vampire is aware of what they are and the effect they have on those around them.
I toyed around with the notion that I was a vampire for many years. The realization came when someone called me an 'emotional black hole'. I didn't get angry, in fact I smiled. In that instant everything was clear.

The defining part of vampires is need. Vampires require regular and significant intakes of energy to function like a normal person. The frequency of 'feeding' varies from individual to individual. Those who are deprived for too long suffer physically, emotionally and spiritually. Persons who suffer from extreme stresses quite frequently exhibit vampiric tendencies, but they go away when the stresses go away. For a vampire, the need never goes away.
Well I feel just like that...don't think I'm a vampyre though...either that or I'm a vampyre in denial? lol...I do feel just like that, that's why I said I'm trying to manipulate my own energies into something positive instead of those around me. Well I always feel like I need positive energy surrounding me even when I'm not stressed or whatever. But I'm hardly ever NOT stressed so maybe all I need is some good meds and therapy...

Well I hafta run....
Blessed Be,
Jada Raine

[Zophael]

and if the listener enjoys talking to ppl in that way...but doesn't feel drained afterwards...what then?...I ask only becasue I have this weird tendancy and nack of destroying barriers with a lot of people who are facing life problems...and it's the only way I can really bond with people...other than when talking about spirituality. This thing is, I do not feel drained afterwards and feel nothing when talking to them about it...infact I can sit and talk to some one for hours and not feel a thing except joy at them bringing up things and thinking for themselves...

Well either you have very healthy natural shields or you may also be doing your own draining when you break down the barriers. Vampires can make very good listeners. It's interesting you mention this since I have similiar experiences.

[Cielamara]

Hmm.

I'll be honest. I don't like psychic vampires. I think a lot of the people who say they need to do it are full of crap. I don't know about you guys. And to be honest, I'm not sure I want to know some of you, if you feed without consent. I have been fed on numerous times because I have a lot of energy. I think feeding without consent is one of the rudest and most unethical thing a vampire can do to a person. Just because they have the energy doesn't mean you have any right whatsoever to take it without their permission.

People who are energetic are often emotionally high-strung as well, and thus, they are often very susceptible to getting sick. I am no exception. If I get tapped, I know. Why? My head starts hurting. I can feel the tug. If it's bad enough, I also get nauseous. It does not feel good, and while my tolerance for pain is high, it stresses me out, makes me irritable, and thus, I don't perform as well. I am also very, very emotionally unstable, and I'd really rather not have to deal with unpleasant moodswings due to an abrupt change in my energy levels more than I already do. It is not non-vampires' fault that you can't produce enough energy or whatever to sustain yourself.

So if you have to suck energy out of other people, you need to get permission. I don't care how small the amount is, stealing a dollar from someone is just as bad as stealing five hundred dollars. You don't know where or when they might need that extra bit of energy. You don't know if they're bipolar and just currently coasting along the manic road. Even if they're your best friend, you don't know what all goes on inside of them. So you need to ask.

Furthermore, if they're like me, if you get caught siphoning energy off of someone, you're likely to get backhanded astrally. (No, this is not a threat. I'm not going to hurt any of you. :)) It would be entirely in their right if you're stealing from them.

That's all I have to say. If this lifestyle works for you, then good for you, although I personally find it extremely distasteful.

[Zophael]

Ciel,
Sounds like you've met some real nasty ones. (Actually I think I remember you bringing up the problem about a month ago.) All I can tell you is that getting permission is part of the code.
No, it's not a choice for us, but like I explained before there are plenty of pseudo-vamps that do choose to be predatory. They disgust me as much anyone. It's just like choosing to impersonate someone with an illness to get sympathy.

Hope your faring well against these pests.

[Cielamara]

Ciel,
Sounds like you've met some real nasty ones. (Actually I think I remember you bringing up the problem about a month ago.) All I can tell you is that getting permission is part of the code.
No, it's not a choice for us, but like I explained before there are plenty of pseudo-vamps that do choose to be predatory. They disgust me as much anyone. It's just like choosing to impersonate someone with an illness to get sympathy.

Hope your faring well against these pests.

I am. :) I have very sharp psychic claws, as it were. I'm glad to know you don't feed without permission.

[Antoninus]

Something interesting I found out today. I was talking with a person who's sister describes herself as a "Cainite". I am paraphrasing but this is basically what she said. That God punished Cain for killing able by giving Cain's son a thirst for blood, hence vampires. She refers to vampires as Children of Cain.

Now if these people actually NEED blood to surivive or its become a psychological dependant....I dont know. I know that sounds a little wierd, and interestingly similar to a game, Vampire The Masquerade: Redemption, but that was basically what she said

[memnoch]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.

depends on your definition of vampyres.

[memnoch]

A lot of Vampyres out there are involved in Live Action Roleplaying Games. I personally consider Vampyrism to be a religion only because many of those claiming to be vampyres (no matter their take on it) all seem to share a lot of common beliefs,for example belief in the astral body and things such as reincarnation. I do not drink blood because of the risks involved but I practice a form known as psychic vampyrism in which I use visualization, meditation and the astral body to drain the life force of others. As a rule I never drain someone elses astral body without their consent. If nowone is willing or available then I feed from the ambient energies given off by the astral body which would otherwise be wasted or utilized by another astral being. I do not see vampyrism as a disease nor do i see the vampyre as a creature superior to the human race. To me the word Vampyre is merely a name given to those who practice Vampyrism. Nothing more. Nothing Less.

If you have any question don't be afraid to ask. The reason that I was looking for vampyres here is because the people on Vampyre message boards are either role-players or those with radical beliefs who only know of one way to get their point across. and that is violence. By asking this question here I was hoping to find some down to earth practiotners with a firm grasp on reality.

Thanks,

khin666

P.S. I noticed the pic of Marilyn Manson for your profile. Did you check out their new cd Lest We Forget. I think that it's awesome. It just goes to show that the hits of Marilyn Manson truly are the greatest!

with that belief I would be a vampire (I dispise the other forms of spelling it). Not quite in the same way. I don't psychicly drain an individual, but I do feed off of the spirit in the fact I draw off of their energy. I also do practice blood rituals with a select few others

[Zophael]

Something interesting I found out today. I was talking with a person who's sister describes herself as a "Cainite". I am paraphrasing but this is basically what she said. That God punished Cain for killing able by giving Cain's son a thirst for blood, hence vampires. She refers to vampires as Children of Cain.

Now if these people actually NEED blood to surivive or its become a psychological dependant....I dont know. I know that sounds a little wierd, and interestingly similar to a game, Vampire The Masquerade: Redemption, but that was basically what she said

Never heard of 'Cainites' before. After some digging around, it seems the story comes directly from Vampire: The Masquerade and has no other origin.
As I've said, I don't know if there are any true sanguine vamps, but there are those who at least have a psychological addiction to blood.

Of note: psi-vamps can drain energy from blood and sometimes choose this as a prefered feeding method.

[memnoch]

Never heard of 'Cainites' before. After some digging around, it seems the story comes directly from Vampire: The Masquerade and has no other origin.
As I've said, I don't know if there are any true sanguine vamps, but there are those who at least have a psychological addiction to blood.

Of note: psi-vamps can drain energy from blood and sometimes choose this as a prefered feeding method.

I avoided stating that cainites were a direct result of VTM to avoid offending...but well...I'll leave it at that

[Darakash]

Hmm.

I'll be honest. I don't like psychic vampires. I think a lot of the people who say they need to do it are full of crap. I don't know about you guys. And to be honest, I'm not sure I want to know some of you, if you feed without consent.

I totally agree with you, IF the person who is doing so, KNOWS they are doing it! I know that sounds strange, but my hubber and I just (as in within the last couple of weeks) after reading and seeing stuff like this thread, realized he is displays alllll the symptoms of being a psy-vamp, we both kinda went "OOOOOOH HOLY sh*t, that's what that is! The funny thing is of course, he gets all energies, gets all cranky when he is getting "negative" stuff etc. I am now able to feel his "invasions" coming on and just tell him to go to bed, but seriously, he does not do it, (at least at this point) consciously!

[Antoninus]

Never heard of 'Cainites' before. After some digging around, it seems the story comes directly from Vampire: The Masquerade and has no other origin.
I figgured, IVE never head anything like it before

[laurelcroft]

Why do so many people spell it with a 'Y'? Is there any specific reason, or anything?

"Vampire" refers to the undead from movies and books, "vampyre" refers more to lifestylers and those who practice psy, sang or astral vampirism. The alternate spelling is to differentiate between the two.

There are a couple of fascinating books on the subject of living vampy(i)rism, the leading authors being Father Sebastian and Michelle Belanger. I recommend them to anyone who is curious.

[khin666]

Just wondering If there were any psy vampyres out there who would like to share some of their feeding techniques. I use the techniques layed down in the vampire codex because I found those techniques easiest for me. I am interested in seeing some of the different techniques that are out there.

[Eclecta]

Hi. I'm new to this forum, but not new to the vamp community. I usually stay wrapped in the vamp community because it is where I best fit in or so I think. I will share feeding methods with you if you like Khin666. Just PM me and we can talk. I don't feel like getting flamed for what I know to be true.

[abrakus]

:abbed: havent been on here for a while. meh! :abbed: currently bouncing off the walls. so how is everyone?

[khin666]

:abbed: havent been on here for a while. meh! :abbed: currently bouncing off the walls. so how is everyone?

Great. I just got over a sinus infection and I'm back and better then ever. I'll be spending the next few days getting caught up in the MW classes that i've missed. Hopefully I'll be back in the swing of things within the next few days. I came across an interesting article concerning the origin of vampyres yesterday and was wondering if anybody has heard of it as well as what you think of it.

"Judas Iscariot
A somewhat obscure myth, folklore holds that vampires originated with Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Christ. Because Judas had betrayed Christ to the Romans, he and his family were cursed. The Bible holds that Judas committed suicide because of his guilt; suicides in vampire folklore were very likely to come back as vampires, so this may have helped contribute to the belief that vampires originated with Judas. Also, vampires descended from Judas were usually identifiable by their red hair. This probably points to the origin of the myth among the Greeks, as they believed red hair to be a mark of vampirism. Among the dark Greek, red-hair would certainly seem strange, but among people farther north, closer to the Scandinavian countries which feature such hair, there would be little to no stigma attached to it.

Someone pointed out to me that the vampire's aversion to silver perhaps comes from this myth, as Judas betrayed Christ for 30 pieces of silver. When Judas tried to return the silver and could not, he cast it away as something hateful to himself. However, the use of silver as a deterrent for vampires is more widespread than the Judas myth. Though I have yet to find any good explaination of it, silver may be used because of its religious signifigance among pagan religions, which were carried over into vampire folklore.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himsef.
(Matthew 27:3-5)"

[Zophael]

this was the myth in Dracula 2000.

[PoisonIvy]

I'm not really into Vamps but my hubby is and he told me that the whole thing started with Cain after he killed his brother(supposedly). That was way before Judas any how.

[shadowkiss]

red hair is the mark of vampirism?? Psh. i KNOW im not a vampire... er.. how does one tell???

you know, that reminds me... for some reason, people, strangers, have an inclination to coming up to me randomly when i am out and telling me that i look like a vampire. just straight up out of nowhere!! kind of odd :eyebrow:
i dono if i believe in real vampires tho.. i mean, anyone could say they were one! ive got red hair, i like the taste of blood, my sleeping habits are rather unusual, ill be the first to admit, but couldnt that apply to alot of people??

o well. Go Redheads :woot:

[abrakus]

Rock on redheads. I'm a redhead too, being a redhead doesnt automatically mean your a vampyre.

[sokar9]

Yes, there is at least one.....thats me........Lives in cali, looking for others to group with, and talk with.

[Dawa Lhamo]

I'm sorry, but vampirism just freaks me out. ^_^ I dunno. I came upon a group of them just out of high school. I wasn't attacked or anything (though I am very high energy), but something... I really don't trust them (specifically)... I didn't act at all like myself, and I'm not saying it was them (it could have been me being a teenager) but I can't rule it out.

Anyway, they got me to join their group (honestly, I don't know how or why), and then, the next weekend, some very wise and well-respected friends of my parents (whose names the 'vampires' used to gain my trust) told me what vampirism was. I never went to any meetings or anything, just joined and quit the same week. Being the whole "harm none" person I am, I couldn't ever do it myself. The whole Thelema stuff, that's no big deal, but the vampirism was right out. ^_^ They say it doesn't harm the person, but honestly, I can't see how that can be if they're taking your life-force(chi, prana, whatever you call it).

I say, if you truly, honestly need it and can't find willing victims/donors, then go to a gym or dance club and sip off the energy that people are already releasing into the environment. I don't know. It's just not for me. ^_^ If you wanna do it, and everyone involved is willing, well, I won't say you can't. It's not my place. But I seriously avoid it. ^_^

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[khin666]

I'm sorry, but vampirism just freaks me out. ^_^ I dunno. I came upon a group of them just out of high school. I wasn't attacked or anything (though I am very high energy), but something... I really don't trust them (specifically)... I didn't act at all like myself, and I'm not saying it was them (it could have been me being a teenager) but I can't rule it out.

Anyway, they got me to join their group (honestly, I don't know how or why), and then, the next weekend, some very wise and well-respected friends of my parents (whose names the 'vampires' used to gain my trust) told me what vampirism was. I never went to any meetings or anything, just joined and quit the same week. Being the whole "harm none" person I am, I couldn't ever do it myself. The whole Thelema stuff, that's no big deal, but the vampirism was right out. ^_^ They say it doesn't harm the person, but honestly, I can't see how that can be if they're taking your life-force(chi, prana, whatever you call it).

I say, if you truly, honestly need it and can't find willing victims/donors, then go to a gym or dance club and sip off the energy that people are already releasing into the environment. I don't know. It's just not for me. ^_^ If you wanna do it, and everyone involved is willing, well, I won't say you can't. It's not my place. But I seriously avoid it. ^_^

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

I usually only drain the ambient energies (energy released by living organisms into the enviroment) but every once and a while I will drain from someones negative energies. I prefer to keep my feeding relationship so that it is benefical to both parties rather then parisitic. I have heard so many scare stories recently that I just ignore them to the best of my abilities. There are many people out there who will drain from a person without their consent. It isn's necessary but there are those new to vampyrism who don't know any better and then there are those who just don't care because in their eyes it is justified. Many of the people who practice vampyrism believe that they are above the human race, They believe that they are spiritually evolved compared to the everyday person because of their "condition". They see feeding from people as nothing worse then eating to survive. My biggest problem with the rule "as it harm none" is that it is impossible to follow. Evertime you eat you are killing in order to satisfy your need for survival...This is no better (perhaps even worse then vampyrism , because I have never killed anyone by feeding from them) then what I am doing. Like I said I try to keep my feeding relatioship so that all benefit. I am not trying to justify feeding from someone without their consent I'm just stating a popular viewpoint within the vampyre community. Sadly many people who practice vampyrism have no idea of the consequences. Dabbling where they shouldn't people are hurt. sometimes the people they are feeding from, sometimes even themselves. I would not reccomend avoiding vampyrism all together. There is much to learn from it's teachings and practice. Magick is about balance. Nothing in this world is pure. Good and evil are just perspectives. One mans meat is another mans poison. To quote Michelle Belanger "Dark things and painful things have as much to teach us as bright things and joyful things. In many cases, the harsh lessons we experience teach us more about our integrity and personal strength than the easy lessons in life, and so the darkness in our lives is very necessary for our spiritual growth." Now I ask those reading. What positive experiences has the practice of vampyrism brought about in your life?

:hailmol:

[LordVlad]

Vampyrism is a sub-culture created by the liberal media today. I will agree that in the past, many people practiced the ideas of vampyres much like how people people were considered witches. However, there is no such thing as a "real" vampyre, vampyrism consists of a fashion statement, a preference of drink, and an excuse to sleep in a coffin (lol, had to throw that one in). I am a major in sociology, so I would be happy to debate this idea with anyone here. :bat:

Actually you are quite wrong in your assumption. Read on[/COLOR[COLOR=DarkRed]]Vampire or Vampyre?

By Vlad Tepes Knight
Now this is a controversial question much like the subject of Evolution or Creation. If you ask 20 different people dressed in black you will get 20 different answers from White Wolf terms to the Temple of the Vampire. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that they don't know what they are talking about but each one is different but yet part of the same. You'd think that one would be better able to define their own lifestyle especially if they live it everyday of their lives as I do. Alas this dissertation isn't about them for I will not speak for anyone else nor will I even attempt to reveal any so called "Vampire Secrets" of others. After all I have never walked in anyone else's shoes so to speak nor have they mine. What I am stating is my opinions simply from my own personal experiences that have spanned many lifetimes. Also the statements I am making go hand in hand with ones that can be found on bookshelves and on the Internet. So if you are one that follows any certain traditions and think that I am cramping your lifestyle or revealing to much then obviously you don't read much for this information is readily available to anyone all you need is to take the time to look. So without further adieu please bear with me as I speak my mind and dispel some beliefs and hopefully shed some positive light on the lifestyle that I live everyday.




Vampires do not exist but vampyres (pronounced vam-peers) do. Now I know it sounds like I contradicted myself until you look closely and notice that they are spelled differently and pronounced differently, even then most people think they are one and the same. In actuality they are very different for you see vampyre is the spelling for a actual alternative lifestyle much like B&D, S&M that has been around since beginning of time. Now admittedly it is slightly different than normal Master/Slave relationships due to the element of blood. Then again with some Master/Slave relationships that I have heard about even that is questionable for even they have blood involved. Ok you ask if this lifestyle is as acceptable as any other alternative lifestyle then what makes it so unsavory? Quite simply the answer is IGNORANCE. People are afraid of what they don't understand just like they have always been especially during the Inquisition. Every culture of the world has a vampyre legend if you don't believe me then go to your local bookstore and pick up a copy of
The Vampire Book: The Encyclopedia of the Undead by J. Gordon Melton
and
Vampires The Occult Truth by Konstantinos.
These two authors have done vast amounts of research on the subject of vampyres. You have also got to realize that during the Inquisition if you had habits that were different than anyone else, for example you dressed all in black from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet, got up lets say at 1pm and went to bed by sunrise, you were considered strange. This was quite detrimental to your wellbeing at times and could cause you to be dragged out of your humble abode and a nice big bonfire set up with you as the main fuel. After the Inquisition so many of us suffered this that those of us who survived needed away to live amongst everyday people. We disseminated some truths about us along with a lot of embellishments that would develop into the Vampire Legend that would be incorporated into books and movies that even I enjoy reading and seeing so that everywhere you turn nowadays you run into a vampire. Now I must say that because of this we are able to live in comparably comfortable settings.


Case in point Dracula by Bram Stoker has touched all of our lives and enabled myself and others to live without constant fear that we were going to be hunted down everywhere we turned. In fact it was written about a time period that is very close and personal to me exactly as was told to him with a few embellishments to enable him to get a bestseller published. Unfortunately it didn't gain that status until after he died. Rest assured he knew who he was writing about and was a great friend. After all he was willing to work around the hours of the night he had to because of the constant threat of being followed and threatened by hunters of the day. For those of you that are thinking after reading this statement that I knew him personally, maybe I did after all I am working on my autobiography that spans several lifetimes based directly on my actual memories. You'll have to wait and read it for yourselves when it gets published.

The world as we know it is changing around us and opinions are more favorable to us that are living vampyres. Unfortunately though along with the favorable tide of opinion there is also a lot of bad publicity due to the fact that like any other lifestyle there are bad elements. They are the ones getting the publicity because most of us are so caught up in our traditions and black veils that we shy away from any kind of publicity. We do this even though we may be very honorable, family oriented, great parents, loving sons /daughters, protective of our own and accepting of all without any prejudices. What needs to be realized is if we that are all of those things hide in the shadows of society then the only publicity that we gain is that we have something to hide and are to be lumped into the same barrel as the Rod Ferrells. I don't know about anyone else but I for one am proud of who and what I am. I'm also tired of all of the bad publicity. Another thing that needs to be realized is if we hide and the truth about us is not known it allows the bad elements to have a place to hide. If we get good publicity and let it be known that those who wish to abuse our lifestyle are not welcome, that we will not stand aside and let them get away with it. This will tell them that they no longer have shadows to hide in away from the proper authorities. This will enable us to live our lives without the governments of the world scrutinizing us. Now with this in mind please bear with me as I do my part.




In 1996 I moved to New Orleans where I lived until May of 2001 when I moved to Houston. While living there I was Tour Security for the "Journey Into Darkness: The Vampire Tour as well as the Icon for it. I dressed the way I normally did since I could be myself as I truly am and a day didn't go by that someone didn't say to my boss "Vlad did a great job protecting us", "We were very comfortable knowing he was there.", "We know there is something different about him we just cant place it", "He doesn't walk he glides." Now I'm not tooting my own horn but I wasn't doing anything except being myself. People are not just dumb cattle and know when someone different is around and they are also realizing that they are not the only beings in this world around them. In fact the Vatican itself has a library underneath it as well as hundreds of satellite archives throughout the world that contain artifacts, documents that prove the existence of vampyres, werewolves, and other supernatural beings. They deny access to this information and make these beings evil when in actuality they aren't. They do this because they want to monopolize the market so to speak on supernatural beings. I don't know about you, but I definitely want to know about these things before they come up and say " hi I'm here". Another small point to be made about religion specifically the Christian religion whether it is Catholic, Protestant, or whatever has the habit of turning something good into bad for example:



1) A black cat was considered a good luck omen when it crossed your path...now because of advent of Christianity it's a bad luck omen.
2) Wicca is a nature religion, but the church has deemed witches to be evil...although now Wicca is a recognized religion which is starting to help that opinion change.




With them doing this what is to say that they didn't do the same with their God? I think it would explain a lot of things that go on in the world around us. Lets though get back on track with what this dissertation is about for I could write a whole paper on that subject alone.



Now when it comes to vampyres these are the most frequently questions I get asked when they find out that I am very real:




1) Are you immortal ?
2) Can you go out in sunlight ?
3) Do you need to sleep in a coffin ?
4) What about garlic, crosses, holy water etc.?
5) Do you drink blood ?





Let me answer each question one by one.





Immortal ?


It is a documented fact that everyone whether they choose to believe it or not has at least one past life. Most are female one life, male another or as some religions believe an animal. Those of us that are true vampyres have lived many lifetimes but have been same person, same appearance as an adult when we grow up from childhood and retain the knowledge of all of our past lives. We go by different names but yet we are the same person for that name we go by doesn't negate who we truly are its just a item of clothing per se that we wear to make it easier to blend in. We do live longer and age slower depending on what we do with our lives. Put a stake through our hearts or a bullet through our heads we will die but think about it so will you. The difference in you and us is that our souls will be reincarnated as same person again but we will retain the same knowledge. When reincarnated we do start again as a child so we are very careful about what we do so we don't have to start over again as a result we do have longer life-spans than most if nothing happens to us. Those of you who believe you can kill a vampyre by putting a stake through its heart, cutting off its head, stuffing garlic down its throat and burning the body to ash all you are succeeding in doing is destroying the physical body. Not only that but if the same thing is done to you you'll be destroyed as well. The only way for a true vampyre to die and not come back ever, is for that vampyre to consciously decide that he wants to die. Upon that decision being made that vampyre will cease to be reincarnated and that will constitute the Final Death. Now we may be harder to kill for example I have a scar over my right eye I got as a kid this lifetime where a 6 inch piece of glass went into my head and I should've been dead at 5 years old but wasn't. Not only that but my ex wife cut me with a box-cutter on my right shoulder about 3 ½ inches long and 2 inches deep. I bled profusely for 7 hours, when I went to the emergency room finally the attending physician looked at me, said he was surprised that I was still alive due to the amount of blood I lost. Yes I have been married before and no I'm not, nor do I wish to be for I will never be happy being committed to only one woman. Now whether or not it is due to genetics that are different from others or just plain simply a guardian angel working overtime I cannot say for I've never been tested genetically.




Sunlight ?


Now sunlight this is another misconception there are diseases where one is allergic to the sun out in the world. If one has this disease the reaction to sunlight can be so severe that they can't go out in daylight but it's just an allergic reaction. Now this disease has been around for a very long time. During the Inquisition if one had this disease, were seen to be repulsed by daylight it was taken up as being a weakness when in actuality it was just an allergic reaction. So contrary to twentieth century literature the Vampyre can go about in daylight although in my experiences most like myself prefer to come out in late afternoon and get home by sunrise but by choice not necessity. Now I do wear all black usually a top hat, cloak, shirt and pants no matter how hot it is. I get asked all the time aren't you hot? I can honestly say no I'm not after all I'm used to wearing these things for that's the way I've dressed all of my lifetimes. Another point to be brought up that many scoff at is that most want to blend in with society and therefore dress like everyone else to be like everyone else. My answer to them is I for one know that I'm unlike everyone else and am proud of it and I'm very comfortable with what I wear so why change. I've also been fortunate enough to work jobs that I've been able to be myself. Granted some of them I had to ditch the cloak as soon as I went in but I've been able to dress the way I normally do. Now you're probably curious about where I've worked so I will tell you. I've been a cashier for Sam Goody Record Store and was one of the top sellers there. I've been the senior bookseller for B.Dalton Books and set sales records. I was the Assistant Manager for an As Seen On TV Showcase. I worked for United Artists Theatres as a cashier, concessionist, usher, and projectionist and again I was very proficient at everything I did. I lived in the most vampyrically active city of North America, New Orleans from 1996-2001. Now granted that distinction has a lot to do with the fact that Anne Rice, Poppy Z. Brite and other fictional vampire authors call it home. By far the greatest reason is that New Orleans, especially the French Quarter has a definite Old World flair and feeling of melancholy about it that attracts those of the old ways to it. While there I worked for Haunted History Tours Inc. as a bodyguard and tour guide. So while in New Orleans definitely check out the Vampire Tour as well as the other tours Haunted History puts out. All of their tours are highly recommended. I must also say I am quite pleased with the historical aspects taken directly from the individual research of those who work for the company, actual police files, newspaper articles, and people's experiences without the added embellishments, rock star mentalities and parlor tricks that other tour companies are known for. Now enough of the sidetrack let me get back on the subject at hand sunlight. There are times when I haven't fed regularly, which I'll discuss later, that I do get extremely sick due to being out in the daylight and it does get rather painful. So I prefer not to go out in the daylight until after 1pm and do my best to be in bed by sunrise. Even so if it is absolutely necessary I do go out earlier. Now let it be known I don't use Sunblock2000 or wear helmet and gloves to make sure no skin is exposed to the sunlight like some of the recent movies that have come out. Now that I live in Houston my schedule is way out of whack but I am dealing with it. I am also very much in search of regular donors so if you are living in Houston or areas around and are interested in becoming a donor for a vampyric couple due to the fact I am in a polyamorous relationship with my wife Cat who is also vampyre please feel free to
email me directly





Sleep in a coffin?


Well now this is a question that comes up often but really it's a personal choice. As for myself I have a rather surprising answer. No I do not need to sleep in a coffin nor do I presently have one available to me, besides I find that the ones available are too small. Now I want to have one specifically designed for me so I can sleep in it, shut out all noises and light. Rest assured its going to be big enough to comfortably hold three women and me in it, and still be able to have enough room to maneuver about doing whatever comes to you imagination. Of course realize that I've always been a bit of a rogue doing things differently, speaking out against the "norm" and winning against insurmountable odds.




Garlic, crosses, holy water ?


Now here we begin to get into the supposed weakness of a vampyre. Let's first talk about garlic which by the way I personally love. I know people today who are not vampyres but are allergic to garlic and it repulses them. Therefore wouldn't it make sense that people were allergic to it way back then as well? If you were a person allergic to it and you were considered strange then automatically if someone of the "norm" society saw this it was automatically known as a weakness when in all actuality it was just an allergic reaction. Now before I discuss crosses, holy water and other religious artifacts let me reiterize vampyres have been around since the beginning of time and can be found in every culture of the world including some ancient ones. If you don't believe this then again refer to The Vampire Book: The Encyclopedia of the Undead by J. Gordon Melton as well as Vampires The Occult Truth by Konstantinos. That means that every culture's vampyre had different strengths and weaknesses. Christianity is a very young religion so if you hold up a cross to one of the ancient Egyptians or Sumerians they would probably give you a toothy smile and wonder why in the hell you're holding up a plus sign to them. Not only that the cross is predominantly a Christian icon and sorry to burst anyone's bubble Christianity is not the only true religion out there its just one of those that are the newest. Every religion has their own religious symbols. If one had been a very devout and pious priest of whatever religion, it was ingrained throughout all of their lives that anything not of their religion was evil, such as lets say vampyres. If they were to become one themselves, they would be filled with guilt and shame, which we all know is a very strong emotion, and be repulsed by whatever artifacts of their religion. For example a Jewish vampyre the Star of David, Buddhist vampyres a statue of that little fat guy. Even though guilt and shame is a strong emotion one gets over it after awhile so with that in mind those artifacts would become useless. Another thing there are people out in this world that have no specific religious beliefs the same goes for some vampyres as well as a result they wouldn't be repulsed by any religious artifacts of any religion. I gave up on the Church I had defended all of my life after being excommunicated from the Orthodox due to my conversion to Roman Catholicism so I could retake my throne again during that lifetime. Since then I have studied many of the different Occult Arts and have taken bits of them and formed my own beliefs but that is another story for my autobiography. I have no specific religious beliefs therefore I am not repulsed by any of the Holy Artifacts of any religion.




Drink blood?


When most think of vampyres they think of what they see in movies and read about in books, the image of a black clad figure stalking its chosen victim through the mists. After capturing the intended victim the vampyre sinks its fangs into the jugular vein, drinks the blood of the victim leaving behind a bloodless corpse with two puncture marks in the neck. Well sorry to burst your preconceived bubble but in most incidences this isn't the case for one thing a bloodless corpse with two puncture marks would be a dead giveaway and murder is a crime. Secondly a vampyre doesn't need much blood to sustain them, and if they choose to use their fangs they do not leave puncture marks for they have the ability to close up the wounds, which leaves at the most a hickey if they bite at all. Alot use other methods to get to the blood. Another thing is most vampyres have willing donors or if they do seduce a potential person they have consent to feed and usually do so during sex. Yes despite what you see in movies and read in books, vampyres do have sex and no they aren't all androgynous in fact they follow all sort of different sexual preferences. I for one am very polyamorous and love the female body. Unfortunately though just like any other lifestyle there are bad elements. There are vampyres who resort to murder and crime to obtain blood but most are either crazed individuals who enjoy the kill or very young revenants that know no better. As far as the young revenants go they know no better because the one who made them their "parent" so to speak did so via rape leaving them to die. Their "parent" did so with their consent and wasn't honorable or responsible enough to teach them or a more tragic scenario their "parent" did so with their consent and was killed before they were taught everything they needed to know to survive as a vampyre. The physical and metaphysical changes one goes through in becoming a vampyre can be excruciatingly painful, maddening and very frightening. Now it is possible to be turned into a vampyre but it involves much more than what you see in movies and read about in books. Once one is "brought across", as the turning into a vampyre is lovingly called, your body does go through a "death" per se as the vampyre's blood infuses into your body and changes it. These changes though do not happen instantaneously and take on the average of three days to complete but even then your body will still go through changes until one reaches their "prime". These initial changes are very painful and if your "parent" isn't around you to guide you and comfort you they can drive one mad. One other thing for those of you reading this that think "bringing one across" constitutes one drop of blood from your "parent" you are very wrong. Although it doesn't involve the complete draining of your intended "child" it does involve a much greater exchange of blood between the two of you and is very intimate. Your "child" becomes everything you are, gains the same knowledge you have as well as abilities you have including those that are metaphysical and magickal. Therefore it is imperative that if you are going to bring someone across you best be honorable enough to take on the responsibility of raising and teaching your "child". Another important thing to remember use common sense when "bringing someone across", do not do so while sick or even just getting over a sickness for your "child" will suffer the same symptoms you have everytime they go through a bodily change. Case in point I know of a "child" who was awakened by someone getting over a case of viral pneumonia, they had the same symptoms during the initial stages of the change and during subsequent changes thereafter. Another very important thing to remember is before you even think of bringing someone across be sure that they are of age and of the right mindset for the physical and metaphysical changes they go through can be maddening. If they are not of age then they will still grow up but the other aspects of their being will speed up and they could go mad. Just like the parent of a mundane child has the responsibility of raising and teaching their kids so to does the "parent" of a vampyric "child" and this responsibility is to be taken very seriously. It is important to remember as a "parent" the relationship you have with your "child" is a very powerful one filled with blood, passion, love and friendship. It is also a student / mentor relationship and you both are two souls linked together as one by blood. Enough now on the aspect of bringing one across lets get back to the subject on hand the drinking of blood. Remember being a vampyre or ingesting blood is not against the law but rape and murder is a crime. Now with all of that being said yes I am a blood drinker with consent only and am very particular with whom I am with. If it's only a one-night stand I use my fangs that are very functional, extend and have been seen by my ex-wives and lovers. I am not a killer, maniac, devil-worshipper, cultist or a crazed individual. I am very sane, honorable, protective and never do anything without prior consent. Nor will I ever take advantage of an intoxicated woman for in my eyes that constitutes rape and rape is against the law. I also do not partake in any illegal substances and prefer that the ones I am with do not do so either. Anything that goes into their blood affects me as well therefore I will not be with anyone who does things intravenously or snorts. I would prefer no illegal substances but I will not judge anyone who does for it is my preference only. I do not go out and attack, rape or murder anyone for their blood nor do I condone these activities for as far as I am concerned they are unforgivable crimes. I only feed with consent, usually during sex that way I can give back what I take in pleasure. Any willing donors I have that wish to be with me on a permanent basis I have contracts written up for them and their consent to feed and do to them, within their limits as stated in that contract, the things that I do to them. This protects both them and myself.




In closing I'd like to state that I have always been a Prince throughout my lifetimes, that is my heritage and my birthright. I am not proclaiming to be a Prince of any City but due to my heritage I am a Prince and ever shall be. Noone can take that away from me. I am also not a Traditionalist, or a Black Veilist. With that in mind if you are and feel that I've revealed your so-called "vampire secrets" then sorry to bust your preconceived bubble but as I stated before I can not nor will I ever speak for anyone else. Nor have I revealed anything that is not readily available on the Internet and on bookshelves. All I have done is speak about my own life and my own experiences that have spanned many lifetimes as well as hopefully give some good advice. I haven't walked in your shoes nor have you mine.

[DarkHeart13]

A few months ago I really screwed up this "conversation" by being a total ass to something I did not understand. I wasn't on MW for a while because I was in a placement and there I learned to communicate and express opinions without hurting others. Because I learned so much, I am no longer embarrassed by my mistake, but I did want to apologize for causing so much trouble. I'm sorry for being terribly rude. My objective was to prove a point and that should never be an objective, especially when you have no point to prove. I now know to communicate only by expressing forms of opinion, thoughts, or feelings, not what you think you know is right. For those who read this, thanks for taking the time.

[David19]

I do believe in vampyres like psi, sang, etc but i'm not sure about the stereotypical Hollywood vampire, i think that maybe they could have existed on this plane hundreds/thousands of years ago but they're probably not here now, but in other realms/planes then i think the streotypical one could exist.

There's a book i want to get called Monsters that i think has some good information on different types of entities but i'm not sure because i've only read a bit of it in the bookshop.

[StormVixen]

i used to be a "fluff bat" vamp... a total wannabe!!! lol... that was a few years ago... it was all anne rice's fault!!!

i like the idea of anne rice typr vampires existing... i guess its unlikely... there are soo many missing people it could be possable, if they are more intelegent than humans! um... yeah... lol

[Rayzer]

go here http://www.sanguinarius.org/ (http://www.sanguinarius.org/)
[EDIT]: I have some sang tendencies. I engage in Autovampirism which is the drinking of one's own blood.

[Rayzer]

I'm sorry, but vampirism just freaks me out. ^_^ I dunno. I came upon a group of them just out of high school. I wasn't attacked or anything (though I am very high energy), but something... I really don't trust them (specifically)... I didn't act at all like myself, and I'm not saying it was them (it could have been me being a teenager) but I can't rule it out.

Anyway, they got me to join their group (honestly, I don't know how or why), and then, the next weekend, some very wise and well-respected friends of my parents (whose names the 'vampires' used to gain my trust) told me what vampirism was. I never went to any meetings or anything, just joined and quit the same week. Being the whole "harm none" person I am, I couldn't ever do it myself. The whole Thelema stuff, that's no big deal, but the vampirism was right out. ^_^ They say it doesn't harm the person, but honestly, I can't see how that can be if they're taking your life-force(chi, prana, whatever you call it).

I say, if you truly, honestly need it and can't find willing victims/donors, then go to a gym or dance club and sip off the energy that people are already releasing into the environment. I don't know. It's just not for me. ^_^ If you wanna do it, and everyone involved is willing, well, I won't say you can't. It's not my place. But I seriously avoid it. ^_^

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

I prefer sanguinius vampires. They feast upon blood not chi.

[Rayzer]

[QUOTE=LordVlad.
Sunlight ?


Now sunlight this is another misconception there are diseases where one is allergic to the sun out in the world. If one has this disease the reaction to sunlight can be so severe that they can't go out in daylight but it's just an allergic reaction. Now this disease has been around for a very long time. During the Inquisition if one had this disease, were seen to be repulsed by daylight it was taken up as being a weakness when in actuality it was just an allergic reaction. So contrary to twentieth century literature the Vampyre can go about in daylight although in my experiences most like myself prefer to come out in late afternoon and get home by sunrise but by choice not necessity. Now I do wear all black usually a top hat, cloak, shirt and pants no matter how hot it is. I get asked all the time aren't you hot? I can honestly say no I'm not after all I'm used to wearing these things for that's the way I've dressed all of my lifetimes. Another point to be brought up that many scoff at is that most want to blend in with society and therefore dress like everyone else to be like everyone else. My answer to them is I for one know that I'm unlike everyone else and am proud of it and I'm very comfortable with what I wear so why change. I've also been fortunate enough to work jobs that I've been able to be myself. Granted some of them I had to ditch the cloak as soon as I went in but I've been able to dress the way I normally do. Now you're probably curious about where I've worked so I will tell you. I've been a cashier for Sam Goody Record Store and was one of the top sellers there. I've been the senior bookseller for B.Dalton Books and set sales records. I was the Assistant Manager for an As Seen On TV Showcase. I worked for United Artists Theatres as a cashier, concessionist, usher, and projectionist and again I was very proficient at everything I did. I lived in the most vampyrically active city of North America, New Orleans from 1996-2001. Now granted that distinction has a lot to do with the fact that Anne Rice, Poppy Z. Brite and other fictional vampire authors call it home. By far the greatest reason is that New Orleans, especially the French Quarter has a definite Old World flair and feeling of melancholy about it that attracts those of the old ways to it. While there I worked for Haunted History Tours Inc. as a bodyguard and tour guide. So while in New Orleans definitely check out the Vampire Tour as well as the other tours Haunted History puts out. All of their tours are highly recommended. I must also say I am quite pleased with the historical aspects taken directly from the individual research of those who work for the company, actual police files, newspaper articles, and people's experiences without the added embellishments, rock star mentalities and parlor tricks that other tour companies are known for. Now enough of the sidetrack let me get back on the subject at hand sunlight. There are times when I haven't fed regularly, which I'll discuss later, that I do get extremely sick due to being out in the daylight and it does get rather painful. So I prefer not to go out in the daylight until after 1pm and do my best to be in bed by sunrise. Even so if it is absolutely necessary I do go out earlier. Now let it be known I don't use Sunblock2000 or wear helmet and gloves to make sure no skin is exposed to the sunlight like some of the recent movies that have come out. Now that I live in Houston my schedule is way out of whack but I am dealing with it. I am also very much in search of regular donors so if you are living in Houston or areas around and are interested in becoming a donor for a vampyric couple due to the fact I am in a polyamorous relationship with my wife Cat who is also vampyre please feel free to
email me directly
[/QUOTE]
Ok so you don't get hot wearing black in the sun but does location matter? For example in death valley would you get hot or the sahara desert?

[Hærfest Leah]

I haven't covered the entire thread yet but just wanted to say that so far I am enjoying this thread. I don't know jack about vampires/vampyres so this is all good reading to me.

I am glad DarkHeart13 came back and apoljized to you all.

[thecount692003]

I've had fangs specially made by my dentist, as far as the whole drinking blood thing I only do when i accidentally cut myself.

[SS'sBaby]

Now sunlight this is another misconception there are diseases where one is allergic to the sun out in the world. If one has this disease the reaction to sunlight can be so severe that they can't go out in daylight but it's just an allergic reaction. Now this disease has been around for a very long time. During the Inquisition if one had this disease, were seen to be repulsed by daylight it was taken up as being a weakness when in actuality it was just an allergic reaction. So contrary to twentieth century literature the Vampyre can go about in daylight although in my experiences most like myself prefer to come out in late afternoon and get home by sunrise but by choice not necessity. Now I do wear all black usually a top hat, cloak, shirt and pants no matter how hot it is. I get asked all the time aren't you hot? I can honestly say no I'm not after all I'm used to wearing these things for that's the way I've dressed all of my lifetimes. Another point to be brought up that many scoff at is that most want to blend in with society and therefore dress like everyone else to be like everyone else. My answer to them is I for one know that I'm unlike everyone else and am proud of it and I'm very comfortable with what I wear so why change. I've also been fortunate enough to work jobs that I've been able to be myself. Granted some of them I had to ditch the cloak as soon as I went in but I've been able to dress the way I normally do. Now you're probably curious about where I've worked so I will tell you. I've been a cashier for Sam Goody Record Store and was one of the top sellers there. I've been the senior bookseller for B.Dalton Books and set sales records. I was the Assistant Manager for an As Seen On TV Showcase. I worked for United Artists Theatres as a cashier, concessionist, usher, and projectionist and again I was very proficient at everything I did. I lived in the most vampyrically active city of North America, New Orleans from 1996-2001. Now granted that distinction has a lot to do with the fact that Anne Rice, Poppy Z. Brite and other fictional vampire authors call it home. By far the greatest reason is that New Orleans, especially the French Quarter has a definite Old World flair and feeling of melancholy about it that attracts those of the old ways to it. While there I worked for Haunted History Tours Inc. as a bodyguard and tour guide. So while in New Orleans definitely check out the Vampire Tour as well as the other tours Haunted History puts out. All of their tours are highly recommended. I must also say I am quite pleased with the historical aspects taken directly from the individual research of those who work for the company, actual police files, newspaper articles, and people's experiences without the added embellishments, rock star mentalities and parlor tricks that other tour companies are known for. Now enough of the sidetrack let me get back on the subject at hand sunlight. There are times when I haven't fed regularly, which I'll discuss later, that I do get extremely sick due to being out in the daylight and it does get rather painful. So I prefer not to go out in the daylight until after 1pm and do my best to be in bed by sunrise. Even so if it is absolutely necessary I do go out earlier. Now let it be known I don't use Sunblock2000 or wear helmet and gloves to make sure no skin is exposed to the sunlight like some of the recent movies that have come out. Now that I live in Houston my schedule is way out of whack but I am dealing with it. I am also very much in search of regular donors so if you are living in Houston or areas around and are interested in becoming a donor for a vampyric couple due to the fact I am in a polyamorous relationship with my wife Cat who is also vampyre please feel free to
email me directly

Do you understand the health dilemmas you face?
When it comes to feeding?
We are discussing bloodletting here are we not?
The nice red stuff?

[~Anamorata~]

Well, hello there! :uhhuhuh:

[Silver Darkness90]

People tend to think that the movie vampires are real. I have travled the globe looking for and about vampires. I have met the mortal ones who just like the taste of blood but I have never met a stereotypical one. Im not saying they arent real just that well, I guess there in hiding or are very secretive. Otherwise I guess I would have met one.
Silver

(Expect the unexpected) :)

[~Anamorata~]

People tend to think that the movie vampires are real. I have travled the globe looking for and about vampires. I have met the mortal ones who just like the taste of blood but I have never met a stereotypical one. Im not saying they arent real just that well, I guess there in hiding or are very secretive. Otherwise I guess I would have met one.
Silver

(Expect the unexpected) :)

Well, you've just met a real one... :)

[SS'sBaby]

Oh I love the taste of human blood.
I just don't care for all that comes with it.

And like most Ex-Sanguines I tend to have a rather critical view of the non-blooddrinking vampires.
Especially those that made a religion out of Anne RIce instead of just enjoying a good story of fantasy.

[SS'sBaby]

Be informed on the diseases that come with blood drinking.

[~Anamorata~]

Be informed on the diseases that come with blood drinking.

I am..won't touch you, unless you've been tested first...I will go with the person, if I have to.

[LadyCelt]

what does it mean to have no aura, no soul?

Do vampyres/vampires really exist?

I know of psychic ones, but do real ones exist?

Also, what can be done to protect yourself?

Are holy water and stakes and crosses just Buffy stuff and not helpful?

also, how can you tell one is a vampyre/vampire?


I hope I don't offend anybody by what I posted. I probably have misconceptions about it and have a negative view on this when it may not be the case all the time and there are a few who abuse these things and make the rest look bad I'm guessing.


I felt I had a psychic attack once. This guy at a bar was giving me a hard time and after I literally felt just drained. I also feel soem may not know they get other's energy. Sometiems when I worry over someone I care for, I feel wiped out and drained. I wonder if my energy goes to help them without me even doing it intentionally.

thanks

[SS'sBaby]

I am..won't touch you, unless you've been tested first...I will go with the person, if I have to.
Good...invest in hypodermic needles as well.

[Flaire-FireStar]

what does it mean to have no aura, no soul?

Sure. They're just like every other person out there.

Do vampyres/vampires really exist?
Yes.

I know of psychic ones, but do real ones exist?
Yes.

Also, what can be done to protect yourself?
Sanguinary (blood) vampires usually have donors, so you wouldn't have a problem with them.
Energy/psy vampires may or may not know what they're doing. However, I'm not the champion of protection (read: I know nothing.) so someone else can pick this up.

Are holy water and stakes and crosses just Buffy stuff and not helpful?
No. They're regular people. They get sunburns like regular people, eat garlicy things like regular people also.
The myths about killing vampires just that - myths.

also, how can you tell one is a vampyre/vampire?
Unless they say so, you might not be able to tell anything. However, you may be able to detect a psy-vamp if you're around one and start to feel exceptionally tired where-as they might seem to be more active.

[Rayzer]

Are holy water and stakes and crosses just Buffy stuff and not helpful?
No. They're regular people. They get sunburns like regular people, eat garlicy things like regular people also.
The myths about killing vampires just that - myths
I would like to point out that a stake through the heart would kill anyone

[SS'sBaby]

:yayah:

[Jolixte]

There are four types of vampires, or so I've heard: Sanguines, Psi, Sexual, and Classical. I don't believe that there are classical vampires (vampyres), and I think that Sanguines just like the taste of blood. I don't know what I think about psi and sexual vamps.

[Flaire-FireStar]

I would like to point out that a stake through the heart would kill anyone

You got me there. :rollingla

[wanderlust*]

I must admit its nice to see a mature, intelligent discussion of Vampires (sans a few post, so it seems). Everywhere I go I meet the vampire culture (ie: the pretentious goth children who *think* they're vampires because they Roleplay), its nice to stumble upon people who may practice vampirism, but don't invest in the theatrics of it all.

I, myself, am not a vampire- but I find it is a very interesting concept indeed.

[shadowz]

i was always interested in vamyrism. it seems cool to me. my sister always says that i have a darker aura and that interests in darker things is to be expected of me....
it would be awsome if i could meet one. my ex-friend pretended to be one, he watched a lot of buffy and angel. (thats not why hes my ex-friend)
my friends and i were having a "study group" in which we watched Space Balls and part of Blade....i told one of my friends that vamps were real, and after i had left (occording to what the rest of my friends told me the next day) he had put a rosery around his neck cuz he was afraid some vamps were going to attack him there. (*laughs*) it was funny.
ive never really been interested in joining the vampyre path (more of a wiccan "do-gooder") but ive always wanted to explore it.
ive watched loads of information shows on the discovery channel and sci-fi channel (and other channels when something happened to be on)
ooh and i loved Mad Mad House!!!!!!!!!!! Don was my favorite (i thought the wiccan was sort of bitchy) *wishes they would create another season of that show*

[Ninjakitten]

Yeah, Don got me interested in Vampyres, too. I thought the things he showed were pretty interesting. Oh, and the witch was probably bitchy because her patron goddess is Lilith. Anyway, I'm not a Vampyre, but I do find the lifestyle intriguing from what little I've been able to see.

[Valnorran]

As far as the undead creature of legend and folklore, no, I don't buy it. Some people feel the need to drink blood. I don't understand it. It has very little nutritional value. I saw something on Animal Planet about vampire bats and they naturally spent some time talking about vampires of legend. The program said a vampire (the undead variety) would need to ingest more blood than its body can hold every single day in order to survive, so I don't buy people drinking blood for any biological need. The need is psychological. I've heard of psi vampires, and I'm willing to accept the possibility, but I've never experienced one. Maybe I've never bumped into one. Of course, I keep everyone, even people I love, at arm's reach, so maybe that affords me some protection. From what I've heard of the experience, I'm glad I'm not one.

A fundamental law of nature is that every organism exists by getting energy from some outside source. In this respect, I don't see vampires as anything seperate or distinct from any other organism. As far as psi vamps go, everyone feels the need to recharge their batteries from time to time. Does that make them psi vamps? Also, everyone feels drained from time to time. Does that make them psi vamp victims? Having never experienced it for myself, it just looks to me like we're making distinctions that are so fine they might as well not exist.

[shadowz]

I don't buy people drinking blood for any biological need

well they dont, but there is a point to the belief:
blood is life. whether it is the blood that flows through your viens, or the energies you take through another person's blood. anyone and everyone needs blood to exist. even the psi vamps have blood. its more of the energy that is transmitted through blood. (example, when Don did the blood ritual in Mad Mad House. the girl's energy was tranfered to him and became all happy and gitty)


As far as psi vamps go, everyone feels the need to recharge their batteries from time to time. Does that make them psi vamps? Also, everyone feels drained from time to time. Does that make them psi vamp victims?

its different. vampyres have the abilities to take other peoples' energies. regular people have to eat, or be around happyness and friends and things they like to get back into their groove.
and then there are religions that teach you how to channel your energies so you can give them to someone else, but they dont teach how to take them away from others.
there is a big thing going on there....you just have to look deep enough....

[Valnorran]

well they dont, but there is a point to the belief:
blood is life. whether it is the blood that flows through your viens, or the energies you take through another person's blood. anyone and everyone needs blood to exist. even the psi vamps have blood. its more of the energy that is transmitted through blood. (example, when Don did the blood ritual in Mad Mad House. the girl's energy was tranfered to him and became all happy and gitty)
Seems like there would be less controversial ways to do it.

its different. vampyres have the abilities to take other peoples' energies.
But don't they have to

be around happyness and friends and things they like
just like regular people? I can hardly see the point in siphoning off energy from someone who's depressed or down.

[shadowz]

just like regular people? I can hardly see the point in siphoning off energy from someone who's depressed or down.

they dont have to take that particular persons energies. in fact, they tend to stay away from people when they are depressed. they themselves have a "hunger" which makes them ultimatly hate themselves. it has pushed many vamps to the breaking point because they need to control the "beast" but cant, the "beast" ends up controlling them. and they hate it.

here is a site you might want to look at. it explains a lot. they even have a forum so you can ask questions if you have any.
here (http://www.drinkdeeplyanddream.com/realvampire/)

[Hærfest Leah]

its more of the energy that is transmitted through blood. (example, when Don did the blood ritual in Mad Mad House. the girl's energy was tranfered to him and became all happy and gitty)



I remember that, I see. My husband & I watched every episode, neat show.

[khin666]

My purpose in creating this thread was so that I could Share my beliefs with others who practice vampyrism. What I find disgusting is people who use others to make themselves out to be more rightous then they actually are. There is a big difference between arguing and debating. I prefer the latter. some of you engage in the former and appear quite childish. I do not feed from those who do not understand. Vampyrism is simply a more refined form of eating. Your just as guilty(if not more because of your ignorance to realize this) everytime you eat steak or lettuce because the cold hard reality is that you have to kill in order to take in their life force on a physical level. Now if you would like to have a debate that's fine with me but I refuse to accomplish nothing by arguing with bigots. Anybody who wishes to speak with me on a civilized level can PM me because I prefer not to have a good conversation ruined by ignorance.

[DarkWaltz]

I have just sat here and read this thread from page 1 right through to here, and I have to say I have learned alot,
I admit to knowing nothing and have nothing to add but I just wanted to let you all know that some of us are being educated on the matter and actually appreciate it ;)

[alex_chosen77]

OK i am a real vampire, and also the one who is destined to become the commander of vampires. I can answer all your questions better than anyone and just to get things started im gonna write some ancient history that you guys may like.
About 10.000 years ago, the elder vampires were negociating the powers that vampires would have on Earth. When the vampires came on Earth they formed clans and later an empire. Their empire was on the land of today's greece bulgaria romania turkey egypt maybe even a larger part of Asia. The most spoken language in the empire was ancient greek, followed by egyptian. Aproximately 20 million vampires lived in the empire in very large cities. The army of vampires battled the demons. Their allies were the lycans and other species. Vampires were very strong and they could also handle energy and cast spells very well. Both the demons and the vampires used powerfull magic in battles. Most of the battles between them and the demons were fought in Asia, southern Europe and northern Africa. This empire gradually collapsed due to demon and barbarian attacks culminating with the assasination of the emperor. When this happened his general lead one final attack against the demons but he died on the battlefield in aprox. 450 AD. When they died the general was more than 2400 years old and the emperor of vampires was more than 5000 years old. Now that general is now the new emperor of vampires. I am of course another vampire, the one who was chosen at birth to be the new general or supreme commander. The vampires that died in the war, stayed in Heaven (like 99% of them) never to come back to Earth again. The rest of them, 1% have now reincarnated on Earth. 1500 years ago a massive ammount of energy was released creating a veil that allowed only the most powerfull vampires lycans and demons to incarnate on Earth.

Oh and if you guys are gonna say something like..."you are just a roleplayer" and you don't believe me spare me the insults because i am the real thing.

[Jack Manifesto]

my best friend knew one...>_> i honestly dont know whether he lived or not(off topic story all together) but i gotta say, he was very normal. watched "all my children"( I SWEAR TO EVERY DIETY ON THIS PLANET) treasured his television, and was a porn addict. i met him once, he wasnt as out there as people think that vampyres should be. the only thing that was really off about him was that he felt different..not..DEAD or anything like that, he had an aura, but it(this is gonna sound strange) it smelled strange. i dunno if anyone else gets this but, when i sense auras, they usually "smell" a certain way to me(mentally, though). i can only describe it as the difference between smelling whole milk and 2 precent. your around whole milk all the time when your younger, so you dont notice it, but then you start drinking something like 2 precent, get used to it, and then from then on whole milk smells RANCID to you. he was that 2 percent, and everyone else was the rancid whole.

[alex_chosen77]

Yes i know a girl that said the same thing about a vampyre, that he "smelled funny"...personally i can't "smell" vampyres but i can "feel" them very well. I think that in the mind some people tend to relate the energy/aura that the vampyre is emmanating to a certain smell or anything else for that matter. Instead of perceiving the energy as a thought or a feeling they see it a smell. Personally im not a full vampyre im a vamp/lycan/demon/dark elf hybrid so i do not belong to any of these races but i do have all their powers., and i certainly don't have that smell around me, because my energy is different from that of other vampyres...but yes i think that it's only the brain that can't quite indentify the signature of the energy so it gives input about something else that is similar to it, in this case the smell of "undead", or something that can't be identifyed precisely

[Vincent Verthaine]

No offense to the vamps,but where I'm from,the various erisian cabals(COE,IOE,F.Q. Chaos Mage Society) keep the vamps in line whenever they step into our turf and try to hunt They have their places they hang out in,we have ours.And anyone stupid enough to go try to hunt at the chaos mages Sanctum sanctorum with out our permission gets what they deserve.Every once in a while we get some whackjobs vamps doing something real stupid that draws unwanted attention from the policia.Then the fuzz starts harrassing anyone dressed in black.When we catch them,we chaos,erisianmages,goths,etc let them know the hard way that they aren't as badass as they like to think they are.(and, no,we don't stake them,we just give them a good boot stompin and advise them that it may be in their best interest to leave town.For all the "GREAT POWERS"they claim to have,they seem to get beat down rather easily).
And Eris forbid we catch them trying to feed off of us.Chaos as a force in itself is a very nasty weapon to use against an energy vamp.And you don't even want to know what the Lovecraftian/Cthuhlu mages are capable of.It isn't pretty.
Vamps are another group that tends to overrate themselves

[morningstar2651]

Most vamps I've met were larpers. It's not too hard to figure out if someone is legit, they tend to be disconnected from their center and discrete about their vampirism.

[alex_chosen77]

I am the supreme vampyre commander stronger than all of them. You mortals can attack me with an army if you want, you are no match for me. And don't talk to me about chaos, I am shadow-kin, I was created in the chaos and by the way....the shadow lives in me!!!!!!!!!!!!

[morningstar2651]

I am the supreme vampyre commander stronger than all of them. You mortals can attack me with an army if you want, you are no match for me. And don't talk to me about chaos, I am shadow-kin, I was created in the chaos and by the way....the shadow lives in me!!!!!!!!!!!!
:wtf:
Congratulations?

[Vincent Verthaine]

I am the supreme vampyre commander stronger than all of them. A little full of ourselves,are we?BET THAT LOOKS GREAT ON A RESUME.You know,for some reason,I don't believe you.How's about we have the other vamps on this forum comment on this.So all you vamps out there.Is he really vampires 'Big kahuna"?Do you all bow down to him and worship him.Do you all march in goosestep at his command?Just curious.



You mortals can attack me with an army if you want, you are no match for me.
What makes you think I'm a mortal.Vampires AREN'T THE ONLY ONES WHO KNOW THE SECRET TO IMMORTALITY.Bet you your lunch money there are immortals on this forum who aren't vampires.And vampires aren't the only ones with"Powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men"(wait ,isn't that from the old Superman t.v.show) either.



And don't talk to me about chaos, I am shadow-kin,
All right,I won't.It would probably go over your head anyway.Last time I check,shadows disappear wheneever I turn the lights on too high.I'm alittle to afraid to be afraid of a shadow.I used to be with the I.O.T{ILLUMANATES OF THANOTEROS} before I joined the I.O.E.(Illuminates of Eris).We were were summoning up really nasty,slimey,multitentacled,ancient eldritch horrors beyond time and space.And let me tell you,they know some of the best dirty jokes ever.


I was created in the chaos
Big deal.So was I.So was everyone else here.
WE ARE ALL BORN OF AND IN CHAOS.



and by the way....the shadow lives in me!!!!!!!!!!!!

You forgot to add "Boggeydy,boogeydy,boogeydy,boo.Mwahh,hah,hah,hah,hah HAH.!!!!!!!!!!" Don't you know all supreme commanders end their speeches with maniacal laughter.Didn't your sire teach you anything?:smoke:

[Morr]

SuperMod Mode

This thread is heading towards a bad bad place. KEEP IT NICE.

If you declare yourself as the Supreme Vampire of the World, that is fine, but do not threat anyone else with any powers you may or may not have. And the rest of you, keep it nice and clean. If you have nothing good to say, dont say it at all.

[Toby Stimpson]

Soooo, has anyone read Michelle Belenger's book, the "psychic Vampiure Codex"? Whjat did you think?

Tobias

[morningstar2651]

Soooo, has anyone read Michelle Belenger's book, the "psychic Vampiure Codex"? Whjat did you think?

Tobias
It's an excellent book for psychic vampires and it even has information useful for non-vampires, including some useful energy working techniques. There is an online version (http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vc/index.htm) available that has been released to the public domain.

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm glad this thread was started. I've always thought of posting a thread concerning Vampyrism on MW, but I've just been way too nervous to do it.


Soooo, has anyone read Michelle Belenger's book, the "psychic Vampiure Codex"? Whjat did you think?

Tobias

As far as the Codex goes, I think its an amazing book. I own a copy and it does come in very handy. Michelle Belenger is an outstanding member of the community and I commend her for what she's doing for the community itself.

As far as Vampyres and RPGs, some play them and some don't. The vampyre community is diverse and doesn't only include "real" vamps, but lifestylers aswell.

I would love to discuss this topic more, so if anyone wants to talk to me about the community or the condition, or anything really, feel free to contact me.

-Caitlin-

[cloudspanther]

I am not very informed on this topic, I have yet to meet a vampyre in person so I can not state much. I have meet them in the physic though and I do notice that there does appear to be a difference in them. Astrally they are different if that makes sense. It is not so much a physical difference, or an aura difference, but a smell you smell in your head.

lady bless,
clouds
ps I enjoyed reading this thread it gives a varity of information that I can persue in my quest for knowledge.

[mayu]

i'm probably going to get shouted down here, but i remember reading a book by john michael greer, who gave his version of how vampires (or psycic vampires came into being) perhaps the more knowlable of you could tell me what you think of his explination:hahugh:

he recons vampires began in Egypt or khem as it was known then, after a person died the Ka or spiritual body was to be preserved this required the permanent preservation of the physical body (mummification) second, magical processes to 'open the mouth' of the ka and enbale it to take in nourishment and third regualr offerings made to the ka so that i would not wither away from starvationl, and avoid the secon death, the tomb of every egyption who could afford mummification had a ka temple where offerings of food and wine were kept to feed the spirit and stop the second death.

if the offerings stopped for any reason, the spirit or Ka would have to go and find sustance from living beings.

i quite like this therory. any thoughts,:idea:

i have also been around psycic vampires, manly people who did not know they are, these people were in an emotionaly drainned state and fed of my spiritual energy because theres was depleted.
:boing:

[Acid09]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.

I am a psychic vampire. If people want to shoot that down or linch me I'm holding up three fingers guess which one is for you ... If readers want to discuss energy manipulation, its many techniques and aspects or pick my brain on the subject of psychic vampirism I'd be happy to share my thoughts as well as hear the theories of others.

And I don't command legions of the undead or consort with powers of darkness. Theoretics in Energy manipulation - not fantacy pop-goth culture. Nothing against goths in general just the ones that carry all the fanciful hype.

[Caitlin.ann]

i'm probably going to get shouted down here, but i remember reading a book by john michael greer, who gave his version of how vampires (or psycic vampires came into being) perhaps the more knowlable of you could tell me what you think of his explination:hahugh:

he recons vampires began in Egypt or khem as it was known then, after a person died the Ka or spiritual body was to be preserved this required the permanent preservation of the physical body (mummification) second, magical processes to 'open the mouth' of the ka and enbale it to take in nourishment and third regualr offerings made to the ka so that i would not wither away from starvationl, and avoid the secon death, the tomb of every egyption who could afford mummification had a ka temple where offerings of food and wine were kept to feed the spirit and stop the second death.



I read that the first stories of vampires came from ancient Sumer. :-\

[Little Billy]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.


What's a "vampyre"?

I know what a "vampire" is, but not a "vampyre".

[TerminallyUnique]

Ive just been reading a review of a new book by Bob Curran in the latest issue of Fortean Times. The book is called 'Vampires, a field guide to the creatures that stalk the night' and in it he makes reference to an Irish term, 'neamhmharbh' corresponding to 'undead'. I never knew there was such a term associated with vampires, upir, vampyr etc.
I'd like to know if anyone's heard of such stories.
I admire the vampire I admit. I suppose if I wished I could become one, of a sort. Ill just say that I suppress my vampiric tendencies a lot, and leave it at that :)

[morningstar2651]

What's a "vampyre"?

I know what a "vampire" is, but not a "vampyre".
vam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbuscular_mycorrhiza)-pyre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyre)?

I guess they're the subject of this novel (http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/polidori/vampyr.htm).

[David19]

Ive just been reading a review of a new book by Bob Curran in the latest issue of Fortean Times. The book is called 'Vampires, a field guide to the creatures that stalk the night' and in it he makes reference to an Irish term, 'neamhmharbh' corresponding to 'undead'. I never knew there was such a term associated with vampires, upir, vampyr etc.
I'd like to know if anyone's heard of such stories.
I admire the vampire I admit. I suppose if I wished I could become one, of a sort. Ill just say that I suppress my vampiric tendencies a lot, and leave it at that :)

I think i've actually seen that book, and read parts of it in the shops, i thought about buying it one day (when i have money:)). He seems to know what he is talking about and, i think, goes through the different vampires in each country (like Greece, Ireland, slavic countries, Rome, Romanian, i think, Native American and possible Jewish, it's been ages since i've looked at it).

Anyway, like you i also think vampires seem like cool supernatural beings, i have no idea if the actual immortal ones exist, but i have been looking into chinese vampires and i think that they exist as supernatural creatures so maybe the others do too.

The only other ones i know of are Sang and psi, although i don't know that much about them, but there are a few on this board, i think anyway.

[Meirya]

From what I understand, "vampire" and "vampyre" are used to differentiate between lifestyler vampires or vampires of lore and psychic/sang vampires or "actual" vampires. It's like the difference between magic and magick.

Although no one seems to agree on whether "vampyre" means the "real" vamps or the fake ones... *heh*

[Rae ShadowWolf]

I think Vampyre looks cool and I usually use it for fiction. Vampire is Folklore.

[BoredKender]

Sorry to revive this thread, but if there are any experience psychic vampyres, would you kindly contact me? I have alot of questions and think that i may have been born into this catagory

[TygerSiren]

Ave,

Just wondering if there were any vampyres in this forum who wanted to chat with someone of the same path.
well, i'm around if you wanna PM me or anything. i'm a psi/empath/tantric. any others who wanna talk to me feel free...i don't know how many other replies there were from other vampires on this thread since i got tired of reading post after post of people not knowing what it actually is lol. but like i said, if you wanna talk i'm around :smile:

[Syn]

I know of vampires who were awakened in the year 382 b.c., his name Aubrey Karew he is an ancient. So that might give you a little detail when vampires started and how long they have been around for. I myself am a sanguinarian, if you need to ask me something I might be willing to tell you when you need to know. I also have fairly brief knowledge on Psi vampires.

[Auroro]

It depends, what sort of Vampyre are you searching for? Personally, I am a psychic vampire (from birth) and practice vampirism on an energy level. I study the works of Konstantinos, Michelle Belanger, and etc. Many people find ethical problems with my sort of vampirism because I take energy from others, normally without their consent (because I doubt that anyone would believe me or my situation if I told them). I am especially prone to prana sapping from others because I have the soul of a priest under the Kheperu Caste system. If you've studied the caste, you understand what I mean. I have not yet commenced to do any past life studies on myself, for I haven't had the time with my studies, though as soon as school lets out, you can bet your bottom dollar that's what I'll be researching. I used to be a Psi Vampire, merely out of ignorance of what I truly am. I hope to converse with you all at a later time.

[Little Billy]

I know of vampires who were awakened in the year 382 b.c., his name Aubrey Karew he is an ancient.

He came from a book written in 1999. Other than that, GREAT point!

[Little Billy]

It depends, what sort of Vampyre are you searching for? Personally, I am a psychic vampire (from birth) and practice vampirism on an energy level. I study the works of Konstantinos, Michelle Belanger, and etc. Many people find ethical problems with my sort of vampirism because I take energy from others, normally without their consent (because I doubt that anyone would believe me or my situation if I told them). I am especially prone to prana sapping from others because I have the soul of a priest under the Kheperu Caste system. If you've studied the caste, you understand what I mean. I have not yet commenced to do any past life studies on myself, for I haven't had the time with my studies, though as soon as school lets out, you can bet your bottom dollar that's what I'll be researching. I used to be a Psi Vampire, merely out of ignorance of what I truly am. I hope to converse with you all at a later time.

We'll be waiting. :)

[Auroro]

Why not start now? When did you discover you were a vampire? I am asking this assuming you are a psychic vampire.

[Little Billy]

Why not start now? When did you discover you were a vampire? I am asking this assuming you are a psychic vampire.

Um, nope. I'm not any kind of vampire.

So, tell me. What happens to a psychic vampire when there's no one around? Do they die?

Are they affected by sunlight?

[Auroro]

What happens to a psychic vampire when there's no one around? Do they die?

I personally live in a very rural community, an agrarian community, and there is not much of a population here (I frequently take trips to larger towns and cities). We merely do not feed when other people are not around, or, if we are strong enough and have a pre-existing connection or link with another being, we may draw from them from acrossed the globe. I nearly did die once though because I became sick and couldn't take in any energy. Luckily I revived before I died and I went to a dance club and took in all the energy I could, otherwise I could have died, and most likely would have. Dance clubs are good "hunting grounds" for energy because there is an excessive amount of ambient energy and the energy of the people there is high and purer than if they weren't frequent goers.


Are they affected by sunlight?
Yes, we are affected by sunlight. The sun is an overwhelming amount of energy and because of our extra-sensitivity to energy, it can be overbearing. It can cause nasuea, dizziness, light-headedness, partial blindness, rapid sun-burn, sunstroke, heatstroke, etc. This all happens fairly quickly. This happens not only because of the ultra-sensitivity, but also because we cannot process the solar energy (or as I prefer, Prana) in a positive manner.

[Infinite Grey]

Auroro... you're a little young to be of the priest caste... how's your physical health?

[Auroro]

The caste holds no physical boundaries, it is the spiritual caste. It is in sense, the type of spirit one has. I am not saying I am a priest, not at all, but that is what I AM, not what I do. My spirit is of the Priest, rather than the Counsilor (I always spell that wrong) or Warrior. Note the way I capitalize these words.

[Infinite Grey]

The caste holds no physical boundaries, it is the spiritual caste. It is in sense, the type of spirit one has. I am not saying I am a priest, not at all, but that is what I AM, not what I do. My spirit is of the Priest, rather than the Counsilor (I always spell that wrong) or Warrior. Note the way I capitalize these words.

Yes yes, I know this... I asked how your physical health was, I guess you don't have to answer that... but it is important.

[Auroro]

At the moment, I have a bit of a stuffy nose and am very tired... though I am usually tired.

[Bethra]

Oh gods more of you _inabox_

[Auroro]

Oh Bethra, I've known you for quite a while... though you probably don't remember me... haha.

[Bethra]

I know of vampires who were awakened in the year 382 b.c., his name Aubrey Karew he is an ancient. So that might give you a little detail when vampires started and how long they have been around for. I myself am a sanguinarian, if you need to ask me something I might be willing to tell you when you need to know. I also have fairly brief knowledge on Psi vampires.

You would mean this guy then
http://www.expage.com/aubreykarew
That would be some dude from a role play site of course :D


Profile for Aubrey Karew

Mun: //Jacen//
Mun Email: // evil@sailorvenus.org //
.::Anything goes RPG-Wise::.


Name: Aubrey Dimitri Karew
Age: 18
Birthday: April 9
Nicknames: Aubie-Poo -_-'
Qualities, Traits, and Personality Description: A vampire, on of the oldest in his kind. He is of Silver's bloodline. Aside from the fact that he is a vampire, he is evil, handsome, mocking, amused, arrogant, self-centered, rude, and not easily hurt. He fights with his mind, body, and dagger- the dagger is silver, filled with magick. It harms humans, of course, but to a vampire it is deadly.
Eyes: Black
Hair: Black and smooth, down to his shoulders, pulled back loosely in a ponytail with a black ribbon.
Skin: Asian
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs.
Blood Type: A
Strong Point: Killing, Fighting
Weak Point: Losing
Goal in life: None
Favorite Song: None- he does not listen to music of human ears.
Favorite Colors: Black
Home: Planet of Seika, City of Nyrmanav, Javier's Tavern
Fear: Losing, if anything.
Mother: Unknown, dead
Father: Unknown, dead
Other family: Dead
Best Friend: None. Friends are for weaklings.
Marital Status: None. Girlfriends are for weaklings.
Quote: "FEAR ME, for I have the power to destroy you." -:|:- "Unless you haven't noticed, I'm busy with someone, please take a number and I'll kill you as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience."
Hobbies: Vampirism, fighting, killing, training, being cruel and hateful, annoying those who annoy him.
BGI: He is evil and always has been. He killed his family at age 12. for good reason, too- they were all good little Triste Witches..heheh. -_-

[Auroro]

Ouch.... XD

[Infinite Grey]

At the moment, I have a bit of a stuffy nose and am very tired... though I am usually tired.

That doesn't much the physical profile of a priest caste... just saying...

[Auroro]

Then you don't know much of the caste system do you? Study the philosophy in depth before making such accusations.

[Infinite Grey]

Then you don't know much of the caste system do you? Study the philosophy in depth before making such accusations.

Oh I know the philosophy, it is that philosophy that causes the physical attributes... you're quick to make assumptions

[Auroro]

You can be a warrior or a soldier and still have the soul of a priest. You can be a priest, the pope, the Dalai Lama, and have the soul of a warrior. It doesn't directly relate to physical attributes, but to metaphysical, spiritual attributes, it does. I made no assumptions.

[Infinite Grey]

You can be a warrior or a soldier and still have the soul of a priest. You can be a priest, the pope, the Dalai Lama, and have the soul of a warrior. It doesn't directly relate to physical attributes, but to metaphysical, spiritual attributes, it does. I made no assumptions.

Yeah, you've made many assumptions. The soul of a Kheprian priest is bound by the metaphysical, a rarity that instinctively reaches beyond this world in search of greater knowledge... resulting in frailty of body and waning unstable health... a warrior by default, can not have the soul of a Kheprian priest, it would be a contradiction and not to mention very impractical.

you should know these things... I think your greatest assumption is that I am ignorant, a reckless mistake to make, in any circumstance... a Kheprian priest would know this instinctively.

[Bethra]

Oh Bethra, I've known you for quite a while... though you probably don't remember me... haha.

Nope can't say you've had any lasting impresion on me before now. 16 yrs old and you say you've known me for a while. Hahaha I don't think you will ever be able to say you KNOW me dear little one ;)

[Auroro]

Then we are aquantances, I can't for the life of me remember what this account name was prior to being Auroro... hmm.. I don't know, but you taught me a few things about the Qaballah and helped me a bit with Tarot at the time.. It was several months a go.

[Little Billy]

You can be a warrior or a soldier and still have the soul of a priest. You can be a priest, the pope, the Dalai Lama, and have the soul of a warrior. It doesn't directly relate to physical attributes, but to metaphysical, spiritual attributes, it does. I made no assumptions.


In other words, it's basically just made up.

LB,
Has the soul of an asshat.

[Auroro]

In other words, it's basically just made up.

Not at all. The caste system shows the different spirit types and their usage and need for energy. Warriors are generally high energy and can't control it well, counselors are moderate, can manipulate and change energy fairly easily and greatly with some effort and training, and a priest has more of a constant need for energy unlike the other two. The craving can sometimes be unbearable, though priests are generally stronger spellcasters and such because they are more powerful with the energy rather than manipulative. You can find many atricles on the different castes at kheperu.org.

[Little Billy]

Not at all. The caste system shows the different spirit types and their usage and need for energy. Warriors are generally high energy and can't control it well, counselors are moderate, can manipulate and change energy fairly easily and greatly with some effort and training, and a priest has more of a constant need for energy unlike the other two. The craving can sometimes be unbearable, though priests are generally stronger spellcasters and such because they are more powerful with the energy rather than manipulative. You can find many atricles on the different castes at kheperu.org.


Hehe...okay, I've read what you posted, and I've taken a glance at that site.

At this point, I have to bow out of the conversation, because I can't possibly keep a straight face any longer, and there's a respect rule here.

LB,
Is exercising uncharacteristic restraint.

[Infinite Grey]

Hehe...okay, I've read what you posted, and I've taken a glance at that site.

At this point, I have to bow out of the conversation, because I can't possibly keep a straight face any longer, and there's a respect rule here.

LB,
Is exercising uncharacteristic restraint.

it's hard isn't :vamp:

[Little Billy]

it's hard isn't :vamp:

I think I hurt my spleen holding it in.

[ancestral_lee]

hmmm... so vampyres = parasites.

luckily i have the psychic equivalent of a worming tablet, and im not afraid to use it.

[Little Billy]

hmmm... so vampyres = parasites.

luckily i have the psychic equivalent of a worming tablet, and im not afraid to use it.


Coolest. Avatar. EVER.

[Infinite Grey]

hmmm is it just me, or did Auroro ignore my last post regarding Kheperu priests? I'll take that as a point to reality's corner


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[Little Billy]

hmmm is it just me, or did Auroro ignore my last post regarding Kheperu priests? I'll take that as a point to reality's corner


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Allow me:

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[Infinite Grey]

Allow me:

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/682/owned9zy.jpg

Oh that is good... have a rare Iggy Karma poke!


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[Bethra]

Then we are aquantances, I can't for the life of me remember what this account name was prior to being Auroro... hmm.. I don't know, but you taught me a few things about the Qaballah and helped me a bit with Tarot at the time.. It was several months a go.

I've spoken with a good deal of people regarding the Qabalah and Tarot is my spechalist subject so I do tend to spend a lot of time helping people figure that all out. I feel rather sorry that you've since go on to loose track of anything close to believable and move into the realms of rediculous, but I guess you can't win them all.

Be seeing you around when you get a bit older maybe ;)

[Lorrie]

What is with you people? Grow up! This thread was for psychic vampyres to reach out to others like them, what is so wrong about it? If you don't like it, then don't read it. If you don't agree with it, then go to a different thread. This forum is all about finding people like we are, what ever or who ever we may be. They have done nothing to you, you have no reason to be this way. LB, I know what you are about, you are just a brat.:hahugh: . The rest of you, why do you feel this is necessary to insult and judge someone because of the way they were born? Disagreement is one thing, but what you are doing is NOT disagreement, and it doesn't belong here. This is not what this forum is about.

[Little Billy]

LB, I know what you are about, you are just a brat.:hahugh: .

:viking:

[ancestral_lee]

what is it that people are so afraid to have questioned?

why is it that if someone asks a difficult question it gets blasted? is your life or your beleifs so insecure that they cant stand up to some light questioning?

heaven forbid people stop asking questions for fear of 'offending' someone....

[Lorrie]

:viking:



Mr. Inocent!!!!!:fpraise: :lol:

[Little Billy]

what is it that people are so afraid to have questioned?

why is it that if someone asks a difficult question it gets blasted? is your life or your beleifs so insecure that they cant stand up to some light questioning?

heaven forbid people stop asking questions for fear of 'offending' someone....


Actually, I just find the whole concept of "psychic vampires" to be totally ridiculous.

Now, I'm not locked into this view, but so far all I've seen are some really bad Goth fantasies. Oh, and some truly hilarious stuff about having some priest's soul or whatnot.

[Little Billy]

Mr. Inocent!!!!!:fpraise: :lol:

Incurably innocent. :hahugh:

[Infinite Grey]

What is with you people? Grow up! This thread was for psychic vampyres to reach out to others like them, what is so wrong about it? If you don't like it, then don't read it. If you don't agree with it, then go to a different thread. This forum is all about finding people like we are, what ever or who ever we may be. They have done nothing to you, you have no reason to be this way. LB, I know what you are about, you are just a brat.:hahugh: . The rest of you, why do you feel this is necessary to insult and judge someone because of the way they were born? Disagreement is one thing, but what you are doing is NOT disagreement, and it doesn't belong here. This is not what this forum is about.

ummm your logic has a major hole... it requires people to believe vampires are born vampires, or real at all... frankly I'm not convinced that they aren't all suffering from various levels of Renfield syndrome... which all the Sanguinarian have the symptoms of... the psy-vampires are pretty much a lesser version, with all the same concepts accept the drinking of blood.

But if you want to prove me wrong... go for it! But until then, I do not have to even believe they were born vampires... perhaps I should treat them as mentally disturbed?

[Lorrie]

what is it that people are so afraid to have questioned?

why is it that if someone asks a difficult question it gets blasted? is your life or your beleifs so insecure that they cant stand up to some light questioning?

heaven forbid people stop asking questions for fear of 'offending' someone....



It's not the question, it is the manner it has been asked, the question wasn't meant to be answered, it was meant to just be a put down, that's why. Insecure?? You certainly don't know me. If it had been a question asked genuinely, it would be a little different. My point is this, AGAIN this thread was meant for these people to be able to find others like them, not for these people to be harrassed because of someones judgement of them. It wasn't a DIFFICULT question, it was a loaded question. Why do you people have a problem with this, and why do you wish to make YOUR problem other peoples problem just because they are different?
Oh, and LB, I forgot something..... That's MR. Brat, right?:lol:

[Little Billy]

It's not the question, it is the manner it has been asked, the question wasn't meant to be answered, it was meant to just be a put down, that's why. Insecure?? You certainly don't know me. If it had been a question asked genuinely, it would be a little different. My point is this, AGAIN this thread was meant for these people to be able to find others like them, not for these people to be harrassed because of someones judgement of them. It wasn't a DIFFICULT question, it was a loaded question. Why do you people have a problem with this, and why do you wish to make YOUR problem other peoples problem just because they are different?
Oh, and LB, I forgot something..... That's MR. Brat, right?:lol:


Well, Lorrie, the person in question came walking in with an attitude that his 16 year old self was gonna school all of us ignoramuses.

What did you suppose was going to happen?

Mister Incurably Innocent Brat,
Is actually congratulating himself on his restraint.

[Infinite Grey]

Mister Incurably Innocent Brat,
Is actually congratulating himself on his restraint.

mmm me too... I haven't flayed him alive yet... I've been good so far


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[Lorrie]

ummm your logic has a major hole... it requires people to believe vampires are born vampires, or real at all... frankly I'm not convinced that they aren't all suffering from various levels of Renfield syndrome... which all the Sanguinarian have the symptoms of... the psy-vampires are pretty much a lesser version, with all the same concepts accept the drinking of blood.

But if you want to prove me wrong... go for it! But until then, I do not have to even believe they were born vampires... perhaps I should treat them as mentally disturbed?



I really am not concerned with your beliefs, they are yours. And should STAY yours. Just because someone believes different than you doesn't make it OK for you to bash them. If you don't like the way they are, then leave them alone, you have your beliefs, and they have theirs, and I have mine, that is the way the world is. So you are not convinced, so what? That is your belief, and you have the right to believe it, but not to put down someone that doesn't believe the way you do, isn't that what pagans hate about christians? Is this not what this forum is about? For everyone to have their own beliefs, no matter what they are, so why should you have to be convinced by anyone? It should not matter to you what they believe or why, let others believe as they choose.

[Lorrie]

Well, Lorrie, the person in question came walking in with an attitude that his 16 year old self was gonna school all of us ignoramuses.

What did you suppose was going to happen?

Mister Incurably Innocent Brat,
Is actually congratulating himself on his restraint.



You and restraint do not belong in the same sentence, my dear!:hahugh: This person came walking in to a thread for vampyres, like him, FOR vampyres, you all invaded this thread. He replied to a post for VAMPYRES. you all came into THEIR thread and began insulting them. What do I suppose was going to happen? That someone like him might answer, and that people that aren't like them, would not. This goes for ANY thread on this forum, it is for people that are like-minded to be able to meet other like- minded people. If you are not like -minded, then simply find a different thread. LB, you are just a special kind of.......of brat, you just go wherever you can cause ....brattiness.:lol:

[Little Billy]

You and restraint do not belong in the same sentence, my dear!:hahugh:

If you are not like -minded, then simply find a different thread. LB, you are just a special kind of.......of brat, you just go wherever you can cause ....brattiness.:lol:

1. Ho ho! Those days are gone, for I have chosen MY Gods. As we speak, a bust of Nixon and Reagan are on the shelf next to me...for a sinner such as I am is in dire need of their advice. So far, however, they are silent on the subject of betting on next year's football season. But I digress...my newfound faith has created a kinder, gentler Little Billy. I'm a regular Saint Francis of friggin' Assissi, now.

2. But I'm not like-minded about anything. :wah:

[Infinite Grey]

I really am not concerned with your beliefs, they are yours. And should STAY yours. Just because someone believes different than you doesn't make it OK for you to bash them. If you don't like the way they are, then leave them alone, you have your beliefs, and they have theirs, and I have mine, that is the way the world is. So you are not convinced, so what? That is your belief, and you have the right to believe it, but not to put down someone that doesn't believe the way you do, isn't that what pagans hate about christians? Is this not what this forum is about? For everyone to have their own beliefs, no matter what they are, so why should you have to be convinced by anyone? It should not matter to you what they believe or why, let others believe as they choose.

Obviously are concerned with my beliefs, else you wouldn't have made the cliché speech of accepting and leaving people to their beliefs, with a jab at the big bad Christians thrown in too.

I'm so glad you feel I should keep quiet about my beliefs, yet not extend that to everyone... hmmm if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves, there wouldn't be much to this site...

now... before you make any more assumptions (a practice that seems common amongst the vampire/otherkin subcultures and their supporters), if you actually read my posts, I'm not bashing anyone... I presented facts, and then I'm a accused of judging someone by their birth... perhaps you view me as racist?

Let me ask you one thing, if a person starts ranting about cameras in their TV and creating conspiracy theories about people coming to kill them, including their friends and families... wouldn't you encourage that person to seek help?

[Little Billy]

Let me ask you one thing, if a person starts ranting about cameras in their TV and creating conspiracy theories about people coming to kill them, including their friends and families... wouldn't you encourage that person to seek help?


Depends. ARE there cameras in their TVs?

LB,
Knows that paranoia is impossible, these days.

[Lorrie]

2. But I'm not like-minded about anything. :wah:[/QUOTE]



Um, I could have told you that. I bet your wife would agree with me, too!:rotfl:

[Little Billy]

Um, I could have told you that. I bet your wife would agree with me, too!:rotfl:


Probably. She's the same way, though.

She and I had great fun tormenting some UFO nut at the bar we work at the other night. Poor bugger was all about "Alien Brothers" and we were on about what motivations an aliend species would have in crossing interstallar distances...and some sinister crap was laid forth. The guy got so mad he dropped his beer, then hollered something about us being agents of some other space-faring species, and buggered off.

LB & Maria,
Tormenting nutcases together since we met.

[Lorrie]

Obviously are concerned with my beliefs, else you wouldn't have made the cliché speech of accepting and leaving people to their beliefs, with a jab at the big bad Christians thrown in too.

I'm so glad you feel I should keep quiet about my beliefs, yet not extend that to everyone... hmmm if everyone kept their beliefs to themselves, there wouldn't be much to this site...

now... before you make any more assumptions (a practice that seems common amongst the vampire/otherkin subcultures and their supporters), if you actually read my posts, I'm not bashing anyone... I presented facts, and then I'm a accused of judging someone by their birth... perhaps you view me as racist?

Let me ask you one thing, if a person starts ranting about cameras in their TV and creating conspiracy theories about people coming to kill them, including their friends and families... wouldn't you encourage that person to seek help?



I am sorry that you see things that way. That is your view of reality. I don't SEE you as any way. Actually, YOU are beginning to remind me of a psychic vampyre yourself, trying to wind things up to feed off of the energies? Maybe there is a reason that you protest so much.

[Lorrie]

Probably. She's the same way, though.

She and I had great fun tormenting some UFO nut at the bar we work at the other night. Poor bugger was all about "Alien Brothers" and we were on about what motivations an aliend species would have in crossing interstallar distances...and some sinister crap was laid forth. The guy got so mad he dropped his beer, then hollered something about us being agents of some other space-faring species, and buggered off.

LB & Maria,
Tormenting nutcases together since we met.



OMG, that is funny! Does she get herself into as much trouble as you do? well, I guess I kind of know the answer to that from the posts on the Evil Womens thread....... so who has come out on top in the latest round, have you healed from the last round of bruises?

[Little Billy]

I am sorry that you see things that way. That is your view of reality. I don't SEE you as any way. Actually, YOU are beginning to remind me of a psychic vampyre yourself, trying to wind things up to feed off of the energies? Maybe there is a reason that you protest so much.


Jeez...you think so? And I've been hanging out with him?

GAH!


*covers his psyche and runs for the garlic*

[Little Billy]

OMG, that is funny! Does she get herself into as much trouble as you do? well, I guess I kind of know the answer to that from the posts on the Evil Womens thread....... so who has come out on top in the latest round, have you healed from the last round of bruises?


1. Not really. She's the Hawtness, and very tough (as in breaking bones tough), so she never has trouble.

2. Yep. So far, I'm up by one, and living in perpetual dread of the massive retribution that I know is in the offering.

[Lorrie]

Jeez...you think so? And I've been hanging out with him?

GAH!


*covers his psyche and runs for the garlic*



Don't forget to cover your neck.....just in case!!! Garlic perfume, anyone?????????

[Lorrie]

1. Not really. She's the Hawtness, and very tough (as in breaking bones tough), so she never has trouble.

2. Yep. So far, I'm up by one, and living in perpetual dread of the massive retribution that I know is in the offering.



I can just see the both of you in your rocking chairs someday..........:yayah:

[Little Billy]

Don't forget to cover your neck.....just in case!!! Garlic perfume, anyone?????????

My psyche is in my neck?:2G:

[Little Billy]

I can just see the both of you in your rocking chairs someday..........:yayah:

Rocket propelled rocking chairs.

[Lorrie]

My psyche is in my neck?:2G:



He could turn into a real vampire. can never be too safe!

[Little Billy]

He could turn into a real vampire. can never be too safe!

Ho ho! So psychic vampires aren't real?

LB,
MASTER of logical traps.

[Lorrie]

Rocket propelled rocking chairs.



I just woke my grandson up laughing again, but this time it was a good thing, I forgot he was still napping!!! Oops. It'll be a late one getting him to bed tonight, good thing he is staying here, his parents would be not happy if he kept them up!

[Lorrie]

Ho ho! So psychic vampires aren't real?

LB,
MASTER of logical traps.



Psychic vampyres won't leave teethmarks in you neck. And garlic doesn't seem to affect them much. :lol:

[Infinite Grey]

I am sorry that you see things that way. That is your view of reality. I don't SEE you as any way. Actually, YOU are beginning to remind me of a psychic vampyre yourself, trying to wind things up to feed off of the energies? Maybe there is a reason that you protest so much.

Ah personal attacks now! The refuge to the defeated.


http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/box.gif

[Lorrie]

Ah personal attacks now! The refuge to the defeated.


http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/box.gif



You cannot DEFEAT me, beliefs are beliefs. You have yours, I have mine, someone else has theirs. Just like assholes. There is no defeat. I don't care if someone doesn't believe what I do, and that does not give me a reason to berate someone elses or for them to berate mine. No amount of discussion, arguing, or anything changes that. It is just the way that it is.

[Infinite Grey]

You cannot DEFEAT me, beliefs are beliefs. You have yours, I have mine, someone else has theirs. Just like assholes. There is no defeat. I don't care if someone doesn't believe what I do, and that does not give me a reason to berate someone elses or for them to berate mine. No amount of discussion, arguing, or anything changes that. It is just the way that it is.

If you really believe this... then why are you trying to force THIS belief on me? It's a tad hypocritical.

[Lorrie]

If you really believe this... then why are you trying to force THIS belief on me? It's a tad hypocritical.



I am trying to force WHAT belief on you? You have your beliefs, I have mine, other people have theirs.How is that trying to force MY beliefs on you?

[Infinite Grey]

I am trying to force WHAT belief on you? You have your beliefs, I have mine, other people have theirs.How is that trying to force MY beliefs on you?

You believe I and others shouldn't be in this thread and challenging what people believe right? You've posted this over and over, in a forceful manner I might add... but that very act contradicts what you're preaching. You've basically stated what you believe is right, in that we shouldn't be in here... well I believe we have every right to be in here or any other thread... so you're telling me that my belief is wrong, or challenging someone else's belief is wrong.

[Little Billy]

I am trying to force WHAT belief on you? You have your beliefs, I have mine, other people have theirs.How is that trying to force MY beliefs on you?


I believe that my beliefs are 169% correct, and reflect objective reality.

Are you going to deny me my beliefs? :(

[Lorrie]

I believe that my beliefs are 169% correct, and reflect objective reality.

Are you going to deny me my beliefs? :(



They are all yours!!!! If they need to be changed, I'll let your wife take care of that!!!:yayah: , just a little attitude adjustment of sorts maybe? I can't wait to see how she gets revenge this time! Who needs cable TV with a show like that! It's almost as fun as reading Pen's castle!:fpraise:

[Little Billy]

They are all yours!!!! If they need to be changed, I'll let your wife take care of that!!!:yayah: , just a little attitude adjustment of sorts maybe? I can't wait to see how she gets revenge this time! Who needs cable TV with a show like that! It's almost as fun as reading Pen's castle!:fpraise:


It's gonna be hard for her to top the clothes pins thing.

[Lorrie]

It's gonna be hard for her to top the clothes pins thing.



I have never met her, but I wouldn't put ANYthing past her, she'll come up with something good!!!:yayah: . I am just sitting back and taking notes!!!!!

[Auroro]

Wow, I missed a lot. haha.

[Promethea]

What is with you people? Grow up! This thread was for psychic vampyres to reach out to others like them, what is so wrong about it? If you don't like it, then don't read it. If you don't agree with it, then go to a different thread. This forum is all about finding people like we are, what ever or who ever we may be. They have done nothing to you, you have no reason to be this way. LB, I know what you are about, you are just a brat.:hahugh: . The rest of you, why do you feel this is necessary to insult and judge someone because of the way they were born? Disagreement is one thing, but what you are doing is NOT disagreement, and it doesn't belong here. This is not what this forum is about.

What about those of us that feel we are being insulted by being asked to just swollow this crap and never question. There is no corner for us? No defender for our rights to ask for some kind of proof?

You come in here shouting at those who are here asking topic related questions then you go help LB derail the thread for two pages in stupid bickering totaly non topic related for the most part. Excuse me but is this you're fight? Are you one of the "vampires"? I don't get the impresion you are so what right have you got coming here saying who can and can't be in this thread?

I have my own beliefs I'll defend them myself I'm sure if the "vampires" were asked they'd be happy to stand up for themselves. Get off your hypocritical high horse a moment and take a look at what you've just let yourself be dragged into over the last few pages. Stop bashing people for their belief in the right to question.

[Philosophia]

What about those of us that feel we are being insulted by being asked to just swollow this crap and never question. There is no corner for us? No defender for our rights to ask for some kind of proof?

Noone is asking you to swallow anything. If you need to question, do so in a respectful manner.


You come in here shouting at those who are here asking topic related questions then you go help LB derail the thread for two pages in stupid bickering totaly non topic related for the most part. Excuse me but is this you're fight? Are you one of the "vampires"? I don't get the impresion you are so what right have you got coming here saying who can and can't be in this thread?

This is a public message board. Anybody can come into a thread and defend what they see as an unfair "attack". It doesn't matter who's fight it is, or what side is which.
And she has the right to come onto this thread, as you did just now. Thread hijacking happens on many threads, regardless of the topic. If you don't like it, bring it back to the main topic by asking questions.


I have my own beliefs I'll defend them myself I'm sure if the "vampires" were asked they'd be happy to stand up for themselves. Get off your hypocritical high horse a moment and take a look at what you've just let yourself be dragged into over the last few pages. Stop bashing people for their belief in the right to question.

Nobody is bashing anybody. She has every right to come into this thread and put forward her opinion, just as others, and yourself, have done. From my point of view, she isn't on any high horse for simply requesting.
Since she stayed within the boundaries of respect, there was no bashing within her message, and nobody is stopping anybody from questioning.
If you do want to question, do so in a respectful manner regardless of whether you think the belief is a "joke".

[shuvanilu]

There IS an actual medical condition that can make a person appear dead-ish (White, cold skin) and that creates an intense psychological need for blood. The name escapes me at the moment.



Just jumpin' in quick...I think the disease you're thinking of is Porphyria.

[Lorrie]

Actually, I am grateful to Little Billy. His comments have often saved me from my own anger by making me laugh. All we did was to diffuse the situation with humor, and I am grateful to him for it.:fpraise: . This whole situation was blown quite well out of proportion because of each person's right to their own beliefs, which every one of us hold dear to ourselves. This whole forum is full of people with their own beliefs, and I don't think that anyone should have to "explain" or "prove" them to anyone else whether anyone else agrees with them or not. From what I have seen on this forum, when anyone is asked to explain their beliefs, often it is because the request is being made into an attack on the person, not just because someone is curious or wants to understand. Beliefs are private and individual. No one else is going to change anyone elses beliefs, especially not by attacking them. Beliefs are changed from the inside. I don't ask anyone to believe what I do, and it doesn't matter to me if anyone else does or does not, I just don't think that anyone should have to explain or defend them,that is all.

[Little Billy]

Noone is asking you to swallow anything. If you need to question, do so in a respectful manner.



Actually, I was being respectful, Subgenius-style.

When I'm being disrespectful, it's unmistakable.

LB,
Is often misunderstood.

[Little Billy]

Actually, I am grateful to Little Billy. His comments have often saved me from my own anger by making me laugh. All we did was to diffuse the situation with humor, and I am grateful to him for it.:fpraise: .

De nada, senorita.

It's only the (my) internets.

[Cain]

Just jumpin' in quick...I think the disease you're thinking of is Porphyria.

Thats the one that sprang to my mind too. Drives you insane, apparently it occurs in the British Royal Family (George the III) and is a result of a reduced gene pool.

[Philosophia]

Actually, I was being respectful, Subgenius-style.
When I'm being disrespectful, it's unmistakable.
LB,
Is often misunderstood.

I wasn't talking about anybody here, LB.

MM,
Who is also often misunderstood...

[exodustruth]

I wasn't talking about anybody here, LB.

MM,
Who is also often misunderstood...

I don't often do this but back when I started this post I was looking for a constructive rather then a destructive result...I'd like to dig this thread back up just to give it the proper burial it deserves!

[JynxedDraca]

...Vampires and blood sucking things have been around since LONG before Vlad. They just thought he was one 'cause when they dug up his body, there was no body.

I have a question. Why do so many people spell it with a 'Y'? Is there any specific reason, or anything?
Yea I heard about that, didn't they find a bat instead or something?

[Meadhbh]

Nothing so dramatic I'm afraid. When the opened Vlad's tomb they found it to be empty. No bats.

[~Belladonna~]

Ok, so how would we difine whether or not someone on the net was a Vampyre or just being an attention seeking git who likes to see others upset?

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Vampires like to get other people upset to feed from it. What type or types of vampires are you incorporating in this?

[Meadhbh]

Ok, so how would we difine whether or not someone on the net was a Vampyre or just being an attention seeking git who likes to see others upset?

I think that would fall under the emotional vampire listing if thats all they do. The term is a term used to describe various personality disorders rather than any sort of actual vampirism.

[Darklord_Kodiak]

There are many ways to feed and thats one of them. While not looked highly upon in the vampire community it is rather effective. We dont all have personality disorders in fact I am going to have to say that we just understand energy work a little more.

[~Belladonna~]

Vampires like to get other people upset to feed from it. What type or types of vampires are you incorporating in this?

I'm on about Psychic Vampyres. That is what I mean though, just because someone gets you upset or likes to stir up trouble doesn't mean they are a Psychic Vampyre. I know they are out there (out in force too) but it doesn't mean everyone is a Vamp just because they like to make you upset etc. This is why I asked, how do you find out who it genuinely a PSI Vamp and not just an annoying, immature human being who likes to upset others for their own pleasure? :bat:

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Chances are you wont. If the yare a good vamp they will be able hide it well. If someone were to start to figure it out I would switch gears say nice things bring them back around and feed off of a different emotion.

Its a good question. I am going to have to go with I dont know.

[kai wren]

So... just about any forum troll could be a psychic vampyre sucking energy from the emotions brought to the fore by their nefarious deeds?

I have a couple of questions...

1) Is it possible to by a psychic vampyre without realizing it?
2) Are there any long-term negative effects to being fed upon?
3) Although I think it has been semi-answered already, is there really no way to tell whether or not one is talking with a psychic vampyre or a really annoying person?

I've never heard of something like this before, my curiosity is piqued! 8O

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Yes kinda and For the average person I dont think so.
I am kinda sticking my neck out here because I can just imagin what people are going to think now but I dont care.

Everyone has the ability and most people use it without knowing it. Especially people who are old or sick and dont have the energy of their own. I could go on for days answering this question.

Effects, yes but only if your fed upon too deeply or too often. This is as far as direct feeding. Feeding off of the energy you put out doesnt have any effects. For example if I get you all ticked off and you start releasing emotional energy than no, but if I take it directly from your body then yes.

The last question they say only empaths and other awakend vampires can tell. I couldnt tell you for a normal person.

[~Belladonna~]

So are some Empaths really like Vampyres then?

[Shadow Angel]

I object to that! :fpcsucks
Im Empathic and certainly not!!!!

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Settle down SA it was a question. No they just have an easier time sensing energies and emotions thats what I meant by that.

[Shadow Angel]

_wedgie_

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Yeah you better recognize

[~Belladonna~]

I object to that! :fpcsucks
Im Empathic and certainly not!!!!

I wasn't saying they are, hence why I asked the question because I wanted to know?
I know that Empaths pick up on other peoples Energies, feelings etc. and wanted to know if they take the Energy they pick up from that person and use it for themselves? I imagine some do but the majority don't, just like some Vampyres take it without permission and others don't.

Chill Dude_happydanc

[Shadow Angel]

Kiss my a--- DL:lol:
hey! werent you going ?
so what ya still doing here then ya big ape?! :fpcsucks

lmao

[Darklord_Kodiak]

I am both and it helps alot.

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Kiss my a--- DL:lol:
hey! werent you going ?
so what ya still doing here then ya big ape?! :fpcsucks

lmao

_wedgie_ Whatever :lol:

[Meadhbh]

So are some Empaths really like Vampyres then?

It depends. Some are some aren't. Certinally not all empaths are vampiric. It just depends.

[kai wren]

So... if there are psychic vampyres which are going around with the potential to harm people, I suppose the next logical question is, are there psychic vampyre hunters?

[~Belladonna~]

It depends. Some are some aren't. Certinally not all empaths are vampiric. It just depends.

Thanks for the sensible answer Mead :)

[~Belladonna~]

So... if there are psychic vampyres which are going around with the potential to harm people, I suppose the next logical question is, are there psychic vampyre hunters?

Huh, that's a good question.

What do you mean by "hunters?" I doubt there are people going around killing em like on Blade lol, but I'm sure you get the ones who want the numbers to drop but I wonder what means they will go to to get rid of them? Not all Vampyres are "bad" remember.

[Shadow Angel]

I wasn't saying they are, hence why I asked the question because I wanted to know?
I know that Empaths pick up on other peoples Energies, feelings etc. and wanted to know if they take the Energy they pick up from that person and use it for themselves? I imagine some do but the majority don't, just like some Vampyres take it without permission and others don't.

Chill Dude_happydanc

dudette _wedgie_ and i was chilled! giggles:lol:

[~Belladonna~]

Ok dudette :)

[Darklord_Kodiak]

We are not all that bad. I would like to see a Psi vampire hunter.

[Shadow Angel]

Ok dudette :)

:cheers:

[~Belladonna~]

:cheers:

:tongueout

[Shadow Angel]

_wedgie_

[Darklord_Kodiak]

you two are incourageable