Dark Magick

[Holly_Blackwell]

Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?

[Ivy Artemisia]

I'd tell ya, but it'd kill ya. :)

[Valerie]

Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?

My suggestion would be to back away very slowly. Why would you want to mix yourself up in rubbish like that?

[Theres]

Anyone have any sugestions?
oh yes, but i'm pretty sure you don't want to hear it.

[BrigidMoon]

Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?

Are you doing a research paper on it? Just wondering :)

[LittleRhiannon]

If you're gonna be hexing someone, the least you can do is write the thing yourself.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Can't you research yourself? Just type the words into a search enjine, it isn't difficult. The more Voodou-ish magic as peddled by Anna Riva and her ilk should more than suit your needs. Such magic isn't really common among Wiccans (there are a few interesting exceptions).

[Morning Star]

Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?

That is not typically the kind of information any respectful witch would give out to just some stranger over the internet.

[Faeawyn]

Geeesh... I wouldn't even want the karma attached to giving someone that type of information :yikes:

[Threase]

I'd tell you if I knew any ones that severe. The way I figure it, you won't use it. And if you do, it won't work. *shrugs*

[Holly_Blackwell]

Geeesh... I wouldn't even want the karma attached to giving someone that type of information :yikes:

Trust me, the person it's intended to be used against most deffinatly deserves it.
I appreciate all of your concern but I've heard it a hundred times before. I'm looking for answers. If you wish only to patronize, I ask that you please save it for someone who will listen.

[Threase]

*snorts* yeah, you know what? Every person who's ever raped someone or broken someone's heart or killed someone deserves it. What gives you the right to use it?

[Holly_Blackwell]

What gives you the right to use it?

Why not? :evilway:

[Threase]

Why not? :evilway:

That kind of immaturity just goes to show that you don't deserve the responsibility of knowing any kind of hex

[halfwaynowhere]

wouldn't the karma of considering hexing someone be about the same as actually doing it? So i don't see where it is anybody's place to meddle with the workings of others.

[Holly_Blackwell]

That kind of immaturity just goes to show that you don't deserve the responsibility of knowing any kind of hex

Really? I thought it was more showing how much I don't like being patronized. But since I'm so immature, I probably don't know any better.

[Threase]

Really? I thought it was more showing how much I don't like being patronized. But since I'm so immature, I probably don't know any better.

I didn't say you didn't know better, I said you were immature. There's a difference. Not knowing any better is just ignorance, in which case you wouldn't have told everyone to save the lecturing. Being immature is knowing exactly what would come from a hex, but deciding that you are going to screw around with serious magick anyways.

[Romani Vixen]

If you have anywhere near the kind of experience to do this kind of spell, then you can write it yourself.

You have got to be insane yourself if you think that you can come in here, tell us not to lecture, but to hand you a spell for clearly harming others on a silver platter. This place is about learning and growing, not killing and harming.

Spell for killing someone....

Get a gun.
Shoot them in the head.
Go to jail.

the spell is complete.

[greenwitch]

If you have anywhere near the kind of experience to do this kind of spell, then you can write it yourself.

You have got to be insane yourself if you think that you can come in here, tell us not to lecture, but to hand you a spell for clearly harming others on a silver platter. This place is about learning and growing, not killing and harming.

Spell for killing someone....

Get a gun.
Shoot them in the head.
Go to jail.

the spell is complete.

here here. I dont meant to get in anyones way, or to piss anyone off. But this is serious stuff. A true witch doesnt manipulate, or harm. I think that the last words of the Wiccan Rede states that pretty clearly. AN IT HARM NONE DO AS YE WILL. It's not your right to judge who is deserving and who is not, that's the goddess/gods job, not yours. If they truly deserve a bad comuppance then they'll get it in time. but its not your duty to rush it, nor your right to judge what that comuppance shall be. Stop bearing this grudge, holding on to bad things will only affect your outlook on life and your overall happiness. I suggest you shrug your shoulders, grow up, and walk away from it. No hexing or harming necessary. a witch is a wise one, and revenge is never a wise thing to take up.

[Morgandria]

Not all witches are Wiccan, and not all Wiccans follow the Rede. Karma is not a system of good vs. bad.

I concur with other posters. If you had the knowledge and experience nescessary to use such a spell, you would be writing it and performing it already, not spell-begging online.

[Threase]

Not all witches are Wiccan, and not all Wiccans follow the Rede. Karma is not a system of good vs. bad.

I agree. But greenwitch has a good point. Holding a grudge won't do any good. Even if you were to do a hex and it worked, you wouldn't get ANY closure. It would just keep festering inside you until it drove YOU insane.

[Theres]

If you have anywhere near the kind of experience to do this kind of spell, then you can write it yourself.

You have got to be insane yourself if you think that you can come in here, tell us not to lecture, but to hand you a spell for clearly harming others on a silver platter. This place is about learning and growing, not killing and harming.

Spell for killing someone....

Get a gun.
Shoot them in the head.
Go to jail.

the spell is complete.
Romani Vixen has a good point... if you don't have the balls to look your victim in the eye and pull the trigger, then you don't have the right to use a spell for the same purpose.

i also find it ironic that a spell beggar would consider themselves "patronized". :rolleyes:
maybe it's time to grow up?

[Aidron]

Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?


Those are quite easy. Here's what you do:

Get a piece of paper and a pen, then... write it the damn thing yourself. If you do not want to feel patronized get off your lazy bum and put in the effort yourself.

[Erites]

The mind boggles. No, really, it does.

[Mouse]

depends also why you want that kinda spell.. it'd have to be a bloody good reason, pun not intended.

There is a reson we can do those kind of things.. problem is knowing if we should.. but im guessing you know that.

There is a lot of bad shit in the world.. why on earth would you wanna create more? If your reasons are private you can pm me.. but now im curious... like really really

[morrigan]

you say this person deserves to be hexed well why dont you just do a return the pain spell and let the universe decide just how much punishment this person deserves (if any).. but if thats not good enough then i would have to agree with everyone else when they say write your own hex. i know i wouldnt want to be responsible for telling someone how to hex someone and then finding out it was because someone stole their bf/gf or something stupid like that..

[Aidron]

i know i wouldnt want to be responsible for telling someone how to hex someone and then finding out it was because someone stole their bf/gf or something stupid like that..


That's not my reason behind my post. My feelings are quite simple: If you want magic, create it yourself. If you cannot muster up enough energy to do that, you do not deserve it.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

If you write the spell yourself, than you can specify *exactly* what you want to happen. It will also give you a chance to cool down if you're really pissed off and think things through. This has two advantages. First, you can ensure that whoever you're doing something nasty to really deserves it, and second...well, revenge really is a dish best served cold, when they're not expecting it, now isn't it?
I won't go so far as to say that requesting a nastynasty curse is immature. I do question the wisdom of going onto a board frequented primarily by Wiccans and asking for such a thing, as opposed to going to people who would be extremely capable of answering your request - ie, silly teenage mock-Satanists, certain types of Ceremonialists, etc - or, doing the research yourself. I cannot recall ever having asked people online for a spell Or, for that matter, people in real life. Instead I buy the books, research in my books and online, and occasionally ask people what a certain spell component may be used for if I can't find its uses in books or online (ie, orange flower water is obviously used for love, beauty, and marriage, but for what else? Looking online gave no results, so I asked people).
If you go to all the trouble of creating your nastynasty curse, when you use it and see the results, you can point at the target and say, with truth and pride, "I did that!". Saying "Something I copied from some book did that!" just doesn't have the same ring to it, now does it?

[Cielamara]

Not all witches are Wiccan, and not all Wiccans follow the Rede. Karma is not a system of good vs. bad.

I concur with other posters. If you had the knowledge and experience nescessary to use such a spell, you would be writing it and performing it already, not spell-begging online.

Indeed.

When I read the original post, I did not see spell-begging. I saw someone who was asking for suggestions. That's not spell-begging; she did not say, "Give me a spell." She said, "Any ideas?" Though I do agree spell-beggars would do well to get off their asses and go figure things out for themselves, I don't feel, personally speaking, that this was the case.

Secondly, who the hell are any of you to say she's too immature, or she's not got the right to do what she wants? That is rather patronizing of you. Not all of us choose to follow this squeaky-clean path of "light" and "goodness." Some of us acknowledge and make use of some of the not-so-friendly side of things. Just because she is asking for a bit of help doesn't mean you should jump down her throat and call her immature for responding with resentment to your patronization--and yes, an awful lot of your responses were quite patronizing. Every last one of you would be highly pissed off if you were the one asking for suggestions and a bunch of "scratchy badgers", as that quote goes, snarled at you for having the nerve and audacity to ask for help. Goddess forbid we not treat every post as if it were written by a fluffy bunny extraordinare!
Thirdly. None of you, at least not according to your responses on this thread, actually have a clue what sort of situation the original poster is in. I would suggest you find out a bit more before you leap to conclusions. Thank you.

(And I apologize if I sound a bit scathing; I simply got mad at some of the attitudes exhibited here.)

[Morgandria]

Quoth the original post:


Forgive me if by asking this I'm messing with this site's happy image, but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes. Paricularly ones that cause death, pain, and/or insanity. Anyone have any sugestions?


She did not say "I'm creating a spell and I need ideas." or "I'm writing a spell and I hope someone can give me advice on certain aspects of it." Her post effectively says "I'm looking for a certain kind of spell. Can anyone tell me where to find one?". She IS saying "Give me a spell".

If she had been asking for someone to give her a pre-constructed spell of a different kind, perhaps, she may have gotten a less vehement reaction from some people. As it stands, many people find hexes and curses, esp. one where the caster intends pain or death morally objectionable.

It also indicates, at least to myself and apparently to others as well, that this person did not have the skill or patience to research, write, or properly perform such a working on their own - they wanted it handed to them whole, and without effiort.

And yes, I consider that spell-begging. Feel free to disagree with me, but that is what I understood when I read the original post.

-M.

[Rain Gnosis]

No prob - http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html#black

If it were me, I'd just use a lot of anger and heavy metal to raise some nasty energy and send it off. Maybe write a nasty little ditty as well. You might incorporate graveyard dirt, some sort of noxious herb/chemical like sulfur, break or burn something symbolic, or use a black man figure candle.

Good luck.

[~Elise~]

No prob - http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html#black

If it were me, I'd just use a lot of anger and heavy metal to raise some nasty energy and send it off. Maybe write a nasty little ditty as well. You might incorporate graveyard dirt, some sort of noxious herb/chemical like sulfur, break or burn something symbolic, or use a black man figure candle.

Good luck.
Isn't luckymojo site awesome? I love it and could spend DAYS there. I've been lucky enough to go to the store and talk with Cat...she is the best.

You can't go wrong using something from that site.

Elise

[semi]

In post #7 by Silverfire Darkmoon there was an implication that cursing people to kill them or drive them insane was "voodou-ish". Voodoo is a religion of ancestor reverance, not black magic. Despite the stereotypes that most people continue to believe, Voodoo is a beautiful religion that serves the community, the spirit, and the spirit of the community.

[Rain Gnosis]

Hi Elise - yep, absolutely. It was one of the first sites I found when I got into paganism etc. and is still one of the best.

[morrigan]

That's not my reason behind my post. My feelings are quite simple: If you want magic, create it yourself. If you cannot muster up enough energy to do that, you do not deserve it.


i realise that ppl were saying write your own hexes for reasons probably similar to your own and i totally agree with you on it, my comment about the whole bf/gf thing was nothing to do with that part it was my way of saying that you shouldnt go and hex someone for something stupid.. Blessed Be ~Morrigan~

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

In post #7 by Silverfire Darkmoon there was an implication that cursing people to kill them or drive them insane was "voodou-ish". Voodoo is a religion of ancestor reverance, not black magic. Despite the stereotypes that most people continue to believe, Voodoo is a beautiful religion that serves the community, the spirit, and the spirit of the community.

I said that because there is the general impression out there that Voodou is a dark and unpleasant thing. I know more than that, I really do. I know what a veve is, I know what several of the Lwa represent. In my High Priestess' temple there are a few shrines to some of the Lwa. I know what Voodou is. Relax.
I also said that because all the 'brand name' magical products out there, such as Come To Me powder and Crossing Incense, etc, are often strongly linked to Voodou and its family of religions, ie, Obeah, Santeria, and Condomblé. Those 'brand name' products usually have in their ranks interesting and fun things to use in assorted curses and hexes.

[Threase]

Indeed.

When I read the original post, I did not see spell-begging. I saw someone who was asking for suggestions. That's not spell-begging; she did not say, "Give me a spell." She said, "Any ideas?" Though I do agree spell-beggars would do well to get off their asses and go figure things out for themselves, I don't feel, personally speaking, that this was the case.

Secondly, who the hell are any of you to say she's too immature, or she's not got the right to do what she wants? That is rather patronizing of you. Not all of us choose to follow this squeaky-clean path of "light" and "goodness." Some of us acknowledge and make use of some of the not-so-friendly side of things. Just because she is asking for a bit of help doesn't mean you should jump down her throat and call her immature for responding with resentment to your patronization--and yes, an awful lot of your responses were quite patronizing. Every last one of you would be highly pissed off if you were the one asking for suggestions and a bunch of "scratchy badgers", as that quote goes, snarled at you for having the nerve and audacity to ask for help. Goddess forbid we not treat every post as if it were written by a fluffy bunny extraordinare!
Thirdly. None of you, at least not according to your responses on this thread, actually have a clue what sort of situation the original poster is in. I would suggest you find out a bit more before you leap to conclusions. Thank you.

(And I apologize if I sound a bit scathing; I simply got mad at some of the attitudes exhibited here.)

All right. First of all, she was spellbegging. She was asking if we knew any hexes that could KILL someone. I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that anyone here that would know those kinds of curses or hexes would have the responsibility not to just throw one out there for her. ESPECIALLY if we don't know what situation the poster is in.

Secondly, she DOES have the right to do what she wants. But that doesn't mean we have to agree with it. As I've heard in MANY controversial posts before this one, when you open a thread and ask the opinion or suggestion of everyone here, you aren't dictating the response you get. Most people here either don't agree with hexes or told her to write one herself. They spoke their opinions and beliefs. Which I thought was allowed here.

Also, I would like to point out that her RESPONSES to me indicated immaturity to ME, and I said as such. Nobody had to agree with me. That's my opinion. And you're right, if I were to ask for suggestions from the people here and they chided me or lectured me, it wouldn't do much for my self-esteem. But then again, I wouldn't ask anyone here for death spells, because I know what the reaction would be. If wanted help with a situation that gave me such anger that I wanted someone to die, I wouldn't literally ask a bunch of Pagans and Wiccan for the magickal version of a gun. I'd ask them for suggestions on how I should handle the situation.

For all we know, she might want a hex to hurt someone who raped her. Then again, for all we know, she might have gotten angry at her parents and decided she'd had enough. We DON'T know. And even if we knew, a lot of us still wouldn't give her the hex. Yeah, we might be mad as hell, and we might want to get back at the person too, but most of us wouldn't. We would try to help HER, because although we don't want to help her hex people, that's what a community does.

I'm done. Sorry if I offended anyone or put words into other people's mouths, that wasn't my intention.

[Aidron]

Indeed.

When I read the original post, I did not see spell-begging. I saw someone who was asking for suggestions. That's not spell-begging; she did not say, "Give me a spell." She said, "Any ideas?" Though I do agree spell-beggars would do well to get off their asses and go figure things out for themselves, I don't feel, personally speaking, that this was the case.

Secondly, who the hell are any of you to say she's too immature, or she's not got the right to do what she wants? That is rather patronizing of you. Not all of us choose to follow this squeaky-clean path of "light" and "goodness." Some of us acknowledge and make use of some of the not-so-friendly side of things. Just because she is asking for a bit of help doesn't mean you should jump down her throat and call her immature for responding with resentment to your patronization--and yes, an awful lot of your responses were quite patronizing. Every last one of you would be highly pissed off if you were the one asking for suggestions and a bunch of "scratchy badgers", as that quote goes, snarled at you for having the nerve and audacity to ask for help. Goddess forbid we not treat every post as if it were written by a fluffy bunny extraordinare!
Thirdly. None of you, at least not according to your responses on this thread, actually have a clue what sort of situation the original poster is in. I would suggest you find out a bit more before you leap to conclusions. Thank you.

(And I apologize if I sound a bit scathing; I simply got mad at some of the attitudes exhibited here.)



but I'm looking for Dark Magick Hexes.

Despite the 'suggestions' comment, it's quite clear to me from this particular comment that the poster simply wishes for people to give her hexes. If you want them, write them yourself. End of story. She's not asking for inspiration, she's asking for actual hexes.

[Cielamara]

All right. First of all, she was spellbegging. She was asking if we knew any hexes that could KILL someone. I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that anyone here that would know those kinds of curses or hexes would have the responsibility not to just throw one out there for her. ESPECIALLY if we don't know what situation the poster is in.

Secondly, she DOES have the right to do what she wants. But that doesn't mean we have to agree with it. As I've heard in MANY controversial posts before this one, when you open a thread and ask the opinion or suggestion of everyone here, you aren't dictating the response you get. Most people here either don't agree with hexes or told her to write one herself. They spoke their opinions and beliefs. Which I thought was allowed here.

Also, I would like to point out that her RESPONSES to me indicated immaturity to ME, and I said as such. Nobody had to agree with me. That's my opinion. And you're right, if I were to ask for suggestions from the people here and they chided me or lectured me, it wouldn't do much for my self-esteem. But then again, I wouldn't ask anyone here for death spells, because I know what the reaction would be. If wanted help with a situation that gave me such anger that I wanted someone to die, I wouldn't literally ask a bunch of Pagans and Wiccan for the magickal version of a gun. I'd ask them for suggestions on how I should handle the situation.

For all we know, she might want a hex to hurt someone who raped her. Then again, for all we know, she might have gotten angry at her parents and decided she'd had enough. We DON'T know. And even if we knew, a lot of us still wouldn't give her the hex. Yeah, we might be mad as hell, and we might want to get back at the person too, but most of us wouldn't. We would try to help HER, because although we don't want to help her hex people, that's what a community does.

I'm done. Sorry if I offended anyone or put words into other people's mouths, that wasn't my intention.

Fair enough. I'm not trying to dictate how you can and cannot respond to something. I was simply expressing my own opinion that patronizing people gets you nowhere; in fact, it's often counterproductive. I have been patronized many, many times and it's infuriating, as I'm sure you yourself know. (I think everyone does...) And at the same time, I was also annoyed by the "karma" comments, as the defining of karma as some sort of cosmic police is a major pet peeve of mine. I apologize for snarling at you.


Despite the 'suggestions' comment, it's quite clear to me from this particular comment that the poster simply wishes for people to give her hexes. If you want them, write them yourself. End of story. She's not asking for inspiration, she's asking for actual hexes.

I saw it differently; hence why I did not respond precisely as you did and tell her to go write her own damn spells. But everyone sees things differently, ja? :)

[Threase]

Fair enough. I'm not trying to dictate how you can and cannot respond to something. I was simply expressing my own opinion that patronizing people gets you nowhere; in fact, it's often counterproductive. I have been patronized many, many times and it's infuriating, as I'm sure you yourself know. (I think everyone does...) And at the same time, I was also annoyed by the "karma" comments, as the defining of karma as some sort of cosmic police is a major pet peeve of mine. I apologize for snarling at you.

And I'm sorry for snapping back. I just wanted to let everyone know why I said what I said.

[semi]

Silverfire Darkmoon, I wasn't trying to pick a fight or argue with you. I wasn't in a good mood when I wrote that and it came out a little harsh. Sorry. The stereotyping of these African religions is frustrating, but it's especially frustrating when people in these religions also perpetuate the stereotypes and they sell little curse kits and crap like that.

But, on the original topic, why would you want to curse or hex someone? Every action you take is either for you or against you. If you help someone, it helps you. If you hurt someone, it hurts you. Sounds kind if simplistic, but I have found it to be true. So why not be good to yourself by being good to others, or at least not hurt yourself by hurting others.

[Rain Gnosis]

Hey, I thought I'd respond as the only one here who so far has said "sure, here's some hexes for ya" (at least I think I am, unless I missed a post, for which I apologize in advance).


I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that anyone here that would know those kinds of curses or hexes would have the responsibility not to just throw one out there for her. ESPECIALLY if we don't know what situation the poster is in.

Hexes are easy to find with a simple websearch - maybe our friend here didn't realize that, or perhaps s/he was looking for hexes that people have tested and know work well. The information is easy to find, and I for one believe in free information. If no one here gives it to him/her, Google will.

It isn't a fundie Christian's place to dictate that I can't do spells or rituals because they believe witchcraft is evil. It isn't a trad Wiccan's place to dictate that I can't worship the Smurfs in my circle on a Sabbat. So how is it my place to dictate some stranger on a forum has to live by my morals? It is not my responsibility to tell other people how to live and what spells to do.

[charmedkisses1]

Not all witches are Wiccan, and not all Wiccans follow the Rede. Karma is not a system of good vs. bad.

I concur with other posters. If you had the knowledge and experience nescessary to use such a spell, you would be writing it and performing it already, not spell-begging online.


Ummm... I thought that's exactly what it was.. paying you back for your actions... or did we decided to change that too?

[Threase]

Hey, I thought I'd respond as the only one here who so far has said "sure, here's some hexes for ya" (at least I think I am, unless I missed a post, for which I apologize in advance).

Hexes are easy to find with a simple websearch - maybe our friend here didn't realize that, or perhaps s/he was looking for hexes that people have tested and know work well. The information is easy to find, and I for one believe in free information. If no one here gives it to him/her, Google will.

It isn't a fundie Christian's place to dictate that I can't do spells or rituals because they believe witchcraft is evil. It isn't a trad Wiccan's place to dictate that I can't worship the Smurfs in my circle on a Sabbat. So how is it my place to dictate some stranger on a forum has to live by my morals? It is not my responsibility to tell other people how to live and what spells to do.

I don't think witchcraft or hexes are "evil". I've used one or two in my lifetime (although not to kill, and I usually didn't put much omph into them). And I didn't say she had to live by my morals. But I don't believe in throwing out hexes that can kill people unless I know why they want one. She asked for a hex, and most of us told her no, or to write her own, which is fine. You gave her suggestions for one, which is fine too. We didn't tell her not to do a hex. We told her we wouldn't give her one, we didn't tell her she could never make one herself. I think some of us had the feeling that if she took the time to write one herself, she'd either have more energy in it or she'd realize she didn't want to do it after all. But that isn't the point. Again, it all comes down to opinion.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Silverfire Darkmoon, I wasn't trying to pick a fight or argue with you. I wasn't in a good mood when I wrote that and it came out a little harsh. Sorry. The stereotyping of these African religions is frustrating, but it's especially frustrating when people in these religions also perpetuate the stereotypes and they sell little curse kits and crap like that.

Eh, it's OK. Everybody has bad days and I'm more than guilty of inflicting my misery on others.
Every religion has the sort of people who're just out to make a buck. Voodou has the people who sell those damn Voodoo Doll kits; Wicca has $ilver RavenWolf; Christianity has the people who make those sickening Calvary nail pendants they sell at Wal-Mart.
I think we should all try and settle down. The original poster posted here twice and hasn't poked his/her head in since. Do I smell a troll? perhaps. Or perhaps the poster has been busy. Anyway, let's all settle down!

[ragnarok0mega]

i must say, i found this post to be rather amusing actually, watching everyone arguing, and condeming the original poster, who by the way obviously either meant for this post to cause this kind of comotion or took another posters advice and used a search engine to look it up and use it allready. i can truly understand everyones detest for the negative side of things, however as it was also said some people do not believe in the same as others, such as the wiccan rede as i saw mentioned earlier. i agree with most of you that if you do not have the intelligence or patience to research or write your own spells, then you should not even contemplate using one against someone. but chances are, the more you tell someone they are wrong, the more they will be blinded by their own anger and intentions, and find other ways. just my 0.02

[Aidron]

Ummm... I thought that's exactly what it was.. paying you back for your actions... or did we decided to change that too?


Yes, people did change it... into what you believe. It is not a system of reward and punishment, that is a relatively new concept where karma has been warped.

[Aidron]

Hey, I thought I'd respond as the only one here who so far has said "sure, here's some hexes for ya" (at least I think I am, unless I missed a post, for which I apologize in advance).



Hexes are easy to find with a simple websearch - maybe our friend here didn't realize that, or perhaps s/he was looking for hexes that people have tested and know work well. The information is easy to find, and I for one believe in free information. If no one here gives it to him/her, Google will.

It isn't a fundie Christian's place to dictate that I can't do spells or rituals because they believe witchcraft is evil. It isn't a trad Wiccan's place to dictate that I can't worship the Smurfs in my circle on a Sabbat. So how is it my place to dictate some stranger on a forum has to live by my morals? It is not my responsibility to tell other people how to live and what spells to do.


I'm all for free information-and like you said, it's out there. If you're too lazy to write your own, I pity you. If you take that one step further and are too lazy to Google some up, then you're pushing the boundaries of pathetic. My point is, if you want something, put in a bit of effort. Stop asking for things to be handed to you when you are obviously unwilling to work for them to the smallest degree.

There are many fine sites out there which can provide both free magical recipes to be recreated and performed or to serve as inspiration.

[zakzekezedd]

Ah well, can't resist tossing in my 2 pennies here...........
If anyone wants to hex or curse someone or turn them into a fat green toad with warts and bad breath that is their business. That said, I personally think that playing with that sort of magic is a bit like juggling hand grenades. You might get away with it and you might blow yourself to smithereens.
I generally prefer a reflection or deflection spell to send the negative energy back to it's source to adding my own "negative stuff" to the mix......but that's just me...

[Holly_Blackwell]

Just wanted to add one last comment here.
I didn't start this thread just to get everyone to argue. I started it because I needed some help. Over a period of almost a year I've found spells online and wriiten some of my own, but none have yeilded to results I desired. Though I did so hessitantly, I thought that requesting the help of an entire forum full of experienced witches seemed like a smart idea. For the most part, I was clearly wrong.

[Romani Vixen]

Holly...

I snapped at you. I'm sorry.

If you're willing to share some of the situation, we'd probably be able/willing to help you more.

[Sage Rainsong]

I have to agree that she should write her own spells but how many of you would jump down her throat if it were a healing spell. i have seen people spell beg for more benevolent magic and there was no problem from anybody. Many times there were spells posted. Why the double standard?

[Threase]

I have to agree that she should write her own spells but how many of you would jump down her throat if it were a healing spell. i have seen people spell beg for more benevolent magic and there was no problem from anybody. Many times there were spells posted. Why the double standard?

I think there's a big difference between a healing spell and a death spell. Healing spells... well... heal. Death spells do the exact opposite. I'm sure most of the people here want her to feel better, and if she had have asked for a healing spell then we all would have helped. But she asked for a spell that would kill or seriously mess up someone. We want to help her if she needs to talk to someone or if she needs to heal, but if she wants to kill or hurt someone, she should write her own spell. For many reasons.

[Sage Rainsong]

Well I guess my point is that many people are saying hey get off you a$$ and write your own spells otherwise you are too lazy to do magic. Why doesn't anyone say hey B*tch write your own healing spells you don't deserve to cast a spell because you didn't put work into it. Instead they say, hey light a white candle ect.... I know that the spells are different but why aren't there people saying write your own spells when some asks for one that dosen'tviolate the rede? It just seems a little hypocrtical.

[lilromantyc]

I don't want to step on any toes and I don't mean to speak for anyone else, this is just my 2 cents--my opinion.
I thought it was kind of assuming to come onto MW asking that of other posters, most of whom follow some form of "an it harm none, do as ye will" or believe in something along those lines, and expecting us to serve deadly curses and hexes to you just like that. I know everyone differs in our personal moral beliefs, but it really depends on the situation if any of us would willingly contribute to something that could end in pain and death. And seeing as how we were not given ANY clue as to the situation...I know I personally would just not jump up and hand it over.
:huh: I'm curious. Why? Why pain/death/insanity? What has the person done? Will performing the curse cause a ripple effect and hurt a lot of others in the process? Is it really up to you to decide such a momentous thing? Will you ever regret the decision to do it? I'd suggest asking yourself those questions or more and figuring out if the situation is truly worth the pain and torment you might cause and/or face yourself in the future if you go through with it.
I have no idea of your situation, or your feelings, and sure, in some cases what you're wishing might seem right, but that doesn't always mean it is. I certainly do not mean to dictate what you should do and how you should handle things, but I still say you might want to try to think things through all the way before taking any action.
You can PM me, I'll listen and help that way. But otherwise, I can't say anything else.

[Morgandria]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I tell people to research and write their own magic, no matter what kind. If someone comes to me and says "I need a healing spell", I tell them to go look it up on their own - if they know what they're doing, they shouldn't even be asking for a spell outright. If someone comes to me and says "Hey, I'm writing a healing spell for <blah>, and I have some ideas like <blim> and <blam>, but I need some advice", I'll meet them halfway and talk about it, because they've put some thought and research into it already, and are doing their own work.

YMMV, but I personally am not a magickal encyclopedia for the lazy.
-M.

[Dawa Lhamo]

Yes, people did change it... into what you believe. It is not a system of reward and punishment, that is a relatively new concept where karma has been warped.Oh, thank you. ^_^ I tend not to say anything, but it bothers me too. ^_^

Anyway, I wouldn't feel right giving someone a "death-spell" without knowing anything about it but "this person really, really deserves it". As a Wiccan, I, for the most part, live by the "An ye harm none, do what ye Will" guideline, but I can forsee that there could arise a situation where I would feel that the consequences of my actions would be worth suffering for a particular purpose. (Like the story where the thief was going to kill all those bodhisattvas, and the only way to stop him was to kill him. ^_^) Of course, being a wiccan, a pacifist, and part of the middle class of an "privileged, elite" country, I think it very unlikely that I would feel the need to resort to that.

I haven't ever really encountered a situation where my own spells would be less effective than a pre-written one, so I'm afraid I don't understand the situation very well in that regard. Frankly, my experience has been the opposite. I'm not above getting inspiration or borrowing a structure, but if I don't at least tailor it to my specific case/personality, it doesn't really work that well for me.

Ultimately, though, it's up to each person to decide how they will respond or what they feel comfortable with. I don't have any death-spells laying around, nor do I really know where to find them off-hand, so if I were to give out a spell, I would have to write it myself first. And that I find unethical without knowing a whole lot more. And, for me, the same holds true with a healing spell. Though, I've noticed, people tend to elaborate a lot more when requesting healing spells; perhaps that's why they tend to get a more positive response? Just a thought.

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[Mab]

Just wanted to add one last comment here.
I didn't start this thread just to get everyone to argue. I started it because I needed some help. Over a period of almost a year I've found spells online and wriiten some of my own, but none have yeilded to results I desired. Though I did so hessitantly, I thought that requesting the help of an entire forum full of experienced witches seemed like a smart idea. For the most part, I was clearly wrong.1. If your spells/hexes haven't worked in the way you desired, has it not occurred to you that perhaps there's a reason they didn't work--like a greater power than yourself was preventing them from working? Along the lines of praying for something & receiving an answer of "No"?

2. Hexes & curses are powerful things. They are best worked AFTER one's pain or anger has cooled. They should be VERY CAREFULLY & THOROUGHLY thought out before attempting. There's nothing worse than cursing someone out of pain or anger & then changing your mind about the situation months or even years later & finding you made a huge mistake.

3. Death & insanity are very....I can't quite think of the right word....very powerful, very intense, very FINAL, very cruel things. Why on earth would you want to inflict insanity on anyone? Who are you to judge anyone's punishment, no matter what the person did? If it's something bad enough to be worthy of that great a punishment, then it's probably something that's also illegal & governed by courts & such....something a person could be judged on by a system of courts, etc.

4. Perhaps a spell for JUSTICE is more appropriate, rather than trying to inflict pain, insanity, or death on another whom you & (it sounds like) you alone have judged deserving.

5. I have to agree, if you are experienced enough & powerful enough to work something like this--some powerful hex or curse or spell to cause insanity &/or death--then your own spells should work. That they have not been is probably a good sign that you really aren't experienced enough to be taking on this task.

edited to add: Yes, I am a witch. No, I am not a Wiccan. Yes, I am a Christian. Yes, I perform spellwork & have worked some very successful ones. No, I am not preaching. I am simply addressing some appearance of arrogance at the idea that ONE person feels perfectly justified in deciding the fate of another insofar as death & insanity are concerned. Yes, I believe some ppl do deserve to die, but they also deserve a trial by jury to decide that, not vigilante justice--even of the magical sort.

[Rick]

Well I guess my point is that many people are saying hey get off you a$$ and write your own spells otherwise you are too lazy to do magic. Why doesn't anyone say hey B*tch write your own healing spells you don't deserve to cast a spell because you didn't put work into it. Instead they say, hey light a white candle ect.... I know that the spells are different but why aren't there people saying write your own spells when some asks for one that dosen'tviolate the rede? It just seems a little hypocrtical.
THANK YOU!!!

[Chidori]

What about healing spells then? Isn't it arrogant to presume that one person has a right to muck about with the fate of another? I am sincerely curious why it is that mucking about with someone else's fate is ok as long as it doesn't kill them. Maybe their sickness has a purpose? What if healing spells disrupts their personal flow of life (what I would call Tao) and things turn out worse for them?

This is why I do not pray or engage in healing magic for anyone unless they personally ask me.

[Threase]

What about healing spells then? Isn't it arrogant to presume that one person has a right to muck about with the fate of another? I am sincerely curious why it is that mucking about with someone else's fate is ok as long as it doesn't kill them. Maybe their sickness has a purpose? What if healing spells disrupts their personal flow of life (what I would call Tao) and things turn out worse for them?

This is why I do not prayer or engage in healing magic for anyone unless they personally ask me.

It all comes down to morals/beliefs. Everyone's is different. Everyone that rejected the idea of giving a hex here has their own reason. I personally don't believe that, if I have a cold or the flu, that I'm MEANT to sit in bed for a few weeks. I think "oh no, I'm sick, maybe I should try a healing spell."

By the same token, if it's that person's "fate" to die from a hex, then that person dies. You can't mess with "fate", because it is supposedly set in stone. If someone asks for a healing spell and gets better, then they were MEANT to get better. And if they die from a hex, then that was their "fate". <-- I say this because I don't believe that any Witch/Wiccan/Pagan has the absolute power to bend and change fate to their will. But then again, it depends on your definition of... "fate".

[Chidori]

It all comes down to morals/beliefs. Everyone's is different. Everyone that rejected the idea of giving a hex here has their own reason. I personally don't believe that, if I have a cold or the flu, that I'm MEANT to sit in bed for a few weeks. I think "oh no, I'm sick, maybe I should try a healing spell."

By the same token, if it's that person's "fate" to die from a hex, then that person dies. You can't mess with "fate", because it is supposedly set in stone. If someone asks for a healing spell and gets better, then they were MEANT to get better. And if they die from a hex, then that was their "fate". <-- I say this because I don't believe that any Witch/Wiccan/Pagan has the absolute power to bend and change fate to their will. But then again, it depends on your definition of... "fate". None of this really answered my question. But thank you for taking the time to reply.

[Mab]

What about healing spells then? Isn't it arrogant to presume that one person has a right to muck about with the fate of another? I am sincerely curious why it is that mucking about with someone else's fate is ok as long as it doesn't kill them. Maybe their sickness has a purpose? What if healing spells disrupts their personal flow of life (what I would call Tao) and things turn out worse for them?

This is why I do not pray or engage in healing magic for anyone unless they personally ask me.I do agree that it's arrogance to do healing work for anyone without the permission of that person or at least (barring the physical ability of the individual in question to give permission--ie a coma or something) the permission of a close relative. Which is why I don't do healing work for anyone without permission or without being approached by the person who needs/wants the healing.

and I would say the same about a healing spell--write your own, and if it doesn't work, then it's probably not supposed to. Especially if you've spent a year working different spells & none of them "took".

[enchancea]

Here ya go:
http://www.spellsandmagic.com/blackmagic.html
http://www.freewebs.com/theoccult/curses.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/calistasbookofshadows/darkarts.htm

[Raven Reed]

I wouldn't hand an unknown person a death/insanity spell for some unknown reason any more than I would provide a gun for the same purpose. If the person harmed truly didn't deserve it, that would be MY responsibility. And since I will never really know the situation of someone I just met online, I think I'll keep any ideas to myself. AHEM.

Healing spells, performed on someone with the person's permission, are very different in my opinion. That I might help someone out with. At least constructive ideas... Especially if I have gotten to know the person asking.

I have only performed spells on/for people with their permission. I haven't yet run into a situation where I needed to do otherwise and I have been doing the witchy thing for almost twenty years. Maybe I'm unusual.

[Romani Vixen]

I rarely hand out spells period. The few times that I have, it was given as an example only, encouraging the questioner to write their own... I'm honestly not that great... more of what I do can't be written down.

As a rule I don't do spells on people without their permission. If I don't have their permission, I weigh the situation carefully and make a judgement call based on that.

If I give someone a spell, I'm shouldering a portion of the responsibility for the outcome. I'm generally far more willing to take responsibility for healing someone than killing someone!

I'm also used to getting more information when someone's spell begging. A number of people have already said that they'd be more willing to help with *something* if more of the situation was revealed.