My Path:

[DamienDeville]

My Path:
Is based on the worship of a god and a goddess.They are not evil beings "they are" the source of what we call human nature.The primal deities that fashioned all of creation along with the help of other beings.Why do I call it Satanism,well satanism has become a word used by many to describe their path that follows the way of human nature as opposed to the judeo-xtian ways.Do I actually worship a being named satan,yes and no,he is not the same being as described in the Abrahamic Faiths.Satan means adversary,well all humanity is from very nature itself against what the Abrahamic god demands.We are human and were created with human desires & yearnings,are we to blame nope,we did not decide to be this way we just are.So I dont worship a god that condemns us for being this way.The god and goddess created us this way and they do not demand that we change,this is who we are.They created us as free moral agents,but they also created us with common sense and with brains that allow us to make wise descisions,well for the most part.Humans are not evil,though some may decide to be.Thats a personal descision they were not created that way,they became that way.
Do I follow a being that created me with free moral choice then punishes me for being that way,Nope that would be ignorant.Do I follow a being that would punish a whole race of beings for the mistake of one,Nope.Tell me if you had a son or daughter and told them not to do something and they disobeyed, would you punish all your children and even your grandchildren for that one persons mistake,if so then your just as messed up as your god.I wouldnt,then why follow a god that does?Satan to me means the one that is oppossed to the views of the Abrahamic faiths.Therefore from that standpoint Satan is my god and my Lord,for Satan represents human nature and the way we are.We shouldnt be ashamed of who we are and be fearfull of eternal condemnation because we cant be something else.

Yes I said a god and a goddess.They are the devine beings that made us human and seperated us male and female,but equal.The God is the male co creator and Lord of Life and the Outer realms..The Goddess is the female co creator with the god,she is the Earth Mother and the Queen of Heaven.If you follow the Bible then look at what it says...the bible says that(elohim) god created both male and female and it says let US create man in OUR image.I know some say that it was referring to jesus,but come on was jesus female at that time?If it wasnt talking about jesus then there had to be a female somewhere.To me their is a god and a goddess both equal and both opposed/against/contrary(satan in hebrew) to the Abrahamic views of humanity and religion.

Another thing,they are not evil,over powering gods,they do not force us to worship them in a strict since though they do seem to like to be respected and honored at times and they do not condemn us to punishment if we dont do this perfectly.As I said we are individual free moral agents,we create and make our own hell here and now.Its not a punishment for the after life.This makes since doesnt it..

I believe in a higher power as I have said,not all satanist deny the fact that a higher power exist.Some believe that a higher power exist/energy force. but dont call it a deity.While I said that I believe in a god and a goddess,let me be plainer.
I believe in a primal force(not a deity) and from it comes the Master(god--the god that made humans the way we are and doesnt condemn us) and the Mother(goddess--the co creator) and all other deities(daemons).I use modern termonology to give names to them hence Satan(Because satan symbolises human nature) and Lilith(because she represents to me the great mother- co creator and equality of the sexes); Satan because he and the name ha satan symbolises being adverse or against the religions that condemn human nature as sinful.Lucifer(light bringer) because Lucifer was a god that symbolises light and the god I believe in does that,he brings light to the reality that humans are not born in sin as the Abrahamic faiths claim and that human nature is normal.Lilith well I chose that name to refer to the goddess because she was seen as the wife of satan in some sources.

Calling myself Satanist doesnt mean that I believe we should be opposed to all things that are considered moral.There are somethings in this life that even human nature teaches us that goes against nature...
Calling myself Satanist doesnt mean that I am a strict follower of all things Dark. I believe that all things have both a dark and light side.And I believe that evil is not inherent within anything but that evil can be done or created.Theres a balance to all things.

I see rebellion to Christianity as accepting human nature as it is.But with emphasis on self control.And I dont throw in all the Devil/Versus Christ mumbo jumbo and I dont accept any Christian diffenition of Satan,Satanism,etc.So I dont accept the view of the fall of man or satan but some Satanist do but with a different view.I reject all Abrahamic views of Satan/Satanism etc whether they have been adopted by other satanist or not.

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And by the way I have a list of some words from the bible listed at the bottom and what they really mean in their languages.The reason I am posting these is to show how silly some views are when not taken from the original sources.

HADES(greek)="ABODE OF THE DEAD"ie the grave.NOT HELLFIRE
Sheol=(hebrew)"the grave" ie abode of the dead.NOT HELLFIRE
Gehennah(hebrew)= valley of hinnom in israel where refuse was burned hence lake of fire;not the same has hades and sheol the OT SAYS that the dead know nothing.
Tartaros(Greek)=abode of captive spirits/demons.Not the abode of the dead.Once again not Hellfire.
Satan/shatain(Hebrew)=adversary,this can apply to anything or anyone that is opposed to a certain viewpoint.In Hebrew you personally can be a satan(adversary) because you oppose the ways of nature and mankind for example.Or you oppose eating meat...your an adversary(satan) against meat.
God(elohim)(Hebrew)Genesis1=This is a semi plural word in the same way as church,group, or family,it means one but more than one member.This word implies more than one being within a god family or group.Not one single being.
Ruarch(Hebrew)=spirit/holy spirit.This word has a feminine gender.Not male so how could a female spirit descend upon a female and get her pregnant as xtians wants us to believe happened with Mary?

P.S I am not trying to step on any ones toes here,these are my views plain and simple.Everyone was blessed with freedom of choice and free will.
Ave Satana!

[Temptation]

Interesting post.
I don't know any Satanists and, I must confess, I had some preconceived ideas
about what your faith actually entails. I'm glad to see that I was wrong on most
counts.

So, what you're basically saying is that Satanism embraces all the more physical
aspects of humanity, all the desires and yearnings of our physical bodies and
considers that to be natural and good because that's how the God/Goddess intended it to be. I agree with that. I never could relate to religions that somehow try to ignore this side
of us or strive to overcome the needs of our bodies in favor of a solely spiritual approach.
You make no mention of whether you believe in the soul, however. Do you believe that along with our physical bodies, we have a spiritual one as well? Or is that not part of
Satanist beliefs? Just curious.:)

[DamienDeville]

Interesting post.
I don't know any Satanists and, I must confess, I had some preconceived ideas
about what your faith actually entails. I'm glad to see that I was wrong on most
counts.

So, what you're basically saying is that Satanism embraces all the more physical
aspects of humanity, all the desires and yearnings of our physical bodies and
considers that to be natural and good because that's how the God/Goddess intended it to be. I agree with that. I never could relate to religions that somehow try to ignore this side
of us or strive to overcome the needs of our bodies in favor of a solely spiritual approach.
You make no mention of whether you believe in the soul, however. Do you believe that along with our physical bodies, we have a spiritual one as well? Or is that not part of
Satanist beliefs? Just curious.:)

Thats fine I dont mind the questions!
First off These are my beliefs as a Satanist,Not all have the same views,most Satanist do not actually believe in any deity at all,but that Satan is a metaphor for Human nature itself the driving force behind it.All though some do believe in an actual being that is the supreme god that created us the way we are but not the one that those of the Abrahamic faiths profess.
Yes it is true that Satanist do embrace all the physical
aspects of humanity, all the desires and yearnings of our physical bodies and
considers that to be natural and good because that's how the God/Goddess intended it to be. But some also see that its a good thing to not over indulge in things,because like the saying goes"Too much of a good thing,can be a bad thing".Also alot including my self believe in using common sense.
As to the soul,yes I believe in a spirit/soul that connects us to the spiritual realm and I also believe in reincarnation.As to other Satanist they are just like others in the pagan community,Some do some dont.
There are varying views in the Satanic community to all things just as their is on here and within paganism in general.The big misconception is that Satanist worship the devil of the Abrahamic faiths and only practice evil and torture and human/animal sacrifices,this isnt true no more than saying pagans who worship Cernunnos is also worshipping the devil(some may claim to be satanist that do these things,but these people are generally looked upon as idiots and lunatics and they make everyone look evil).Why would a true Satanist want to destroy life,when they relish in the life that was given to us.We dont need to shead blood to appease Allah or Jehovah.Does this help any?If you have any thing else to ask just email me or pm me.

[Temptation]

Yes it helped, thanx Damien.:)
I never realised that Satanism was so complex and ecclectic in some ways.
I was really surprised to find that I actually share a lot of your beliefs.
I don't really follow any particular religion. I guess I'm making my own up
as I go along.

Thanx again.

[Morning Star]

This is the first time I've seen anyone post anything close to what I actually believe. Very well stated. I've looked into the Satanist community and I've found it a bit too angry and elitist. I've enjoyed your version much more and I feel that it better reflects what we experience from Nature, with lucid objectivism. I would never call myself a "Satanist", only because I draw as many beliefs from Taoism and from Classical Paganism which do not agree necessarily with Ego(Human Nature) Worship.

I believe there is a need for balance in human nature, that Civilization and Christianity have robbed us of our true nature and balance. It takes a serious humility to begin to reconnect yourself with the natural world without forgetting the reality that we are human and we are naturally prone to dominate and create the world in our own image. It's the image which, I believe, has been corrupted.

It's refreshing to listen to your perspective and, not to mention, its' nice to know I'm not alone in my own observations.

[AdNoctum]

Hello Damien!

I, too, am a Satanist, and your beliefs are very similar to mine. I consider "Satan" to be more of an idea rather than an actual being, but I see nothing wrong with personifying it.

[DamienDeville]

I've looked into the Satanist community and I've found it a bit too angry and elitist. I've enjoyed your version much more and I feel that it better reflects what we experience from Nature, with lucid objectivism. I would never call myself a "Satanist", only because I draw as many beliefs from Taoism and from Classical Paganism which do not agree necessarily with Ego(Human Nature) Worship.

I believe there is a need for balance in human nature, that Civilization and Christianity have robbed us of our true nature and balance. It takes a serious humility to begin to reconnect yourself with the natural world without forgetting the reality that we are human and we are naturally prone to dominate and create the world in our own image. It's the image which, I believe, has been corrupted.

It's refreshing to listen to your perspective and, not to mention, its' nice to know I'm not alone in my own observations.
Yeah it is true that many that are satanist are or seem to be elitist or angry, I for one am not one of those and many other satanist are not either.As with any other religion you have variety.And not all satanist are ego worshipers either.Those that arent accept who we are and where we come from(the fact that humans are humans because we were made this way and we are not born evil) like I have stated,but that doesnt mean that we all are ego maniacs. I am glad that I have helped in any way.

[DamienDeville]

Hello Damien!

I, too, am a Satanist, and your beliefs are very similar to mine. I consider "Satan" to be more of an idea rather than an actual being, but I see nothing wrong with personifying it.
Hi AdNoctum nice to see other satanist here.As I stated we are all free moral agents and we are given the right to believe whatever we wont.Satan is not going to condemn us to hell(pune intended)because our views are different.

[Morning Star]

Yeah it is true that many that are satanist are or seem to be elitist or angry, I for one am not one of those and many other satanist are not either.As with any other religion you have variety.And not all satanist are ego worshipers either.Those that arent accept who we are and where we come from(the fact that humans are humans because we were made this way and we are not born evil) like I have stated,but that doesnt mean that we all are ego maniacs. I am glad that I have helped in any way.

I think the most interesting Satanists I know are very quiet, very calm, very intelligent and extremely talented. They don't talk about their beliefs with anyone and are very private. They are not ego-worshipers - but Mankind worshipers. They hate the judgment and mores of their culture, but reject the dogmatic idealism of Divinity Worship. So they live their religion. They live for pride, for perfecting themselves and their chosen crafts. These are the Satanists that I get along with best - even though I have more in common with the elitist breed, just a bit too elitist for me personally.

Yes, I think Ego Worship could just be simplified into: Know Thyself, Love Thyself, Perfect Thyself & not Worship Thyself.

[Keroberos]

Thank you for sharing that, I had known very little about what any sort of Satanism is about, and I agree with a lot of what you say, and your observations are very eloquently put.

[DamienDeville]

Thank you for sharing that, I had known very little about what any sort of Satanism is about, and I agree with a lot of what you say, and your observations are very eloquently put.
Your welcome!And Thanks.But my views are not what all satanist believe.Like I have said it varies from group to group and from person to person.
And as a side note:I am not affiliated with any Satanic Church that is on the Net.

[AdNoctum]

Satan is not going to condemn us to hell(pune intended)because our views are different.

Haha, agreed. :devil:

Yes, I think Ego Worship could just be simplified into: Know Thyself, Love Thyself, Perfect Thyself & not Worship Thyself.

Definetly. I think the concept of "self-deification" in Satanism was mainly developed as a counter to the self-demonization that some forms of Christianity embrace.

[WhiteRavenBran]

Just an observation/question...

Do you think that perhaps people have misconstrued the word satan or satanism into something it's not, the same way people have misconstrued the word witch (if you believe in the wic- prefix/to bend/wise woman type deal)?

Maybe I'm not wording this clearly...I guess since people are so used to hearing the word satan in the context of the christian devil that they've taken satanism to be a rebellion type thing against christianity instead of a religion in its own right. Geez, this thought was clearer in my head before I started to try to write it down...

What do you guys/girls think?

[Wolffang]

just today my friend thought that I was a satanist...and from what I grew up people always said that satanist are soo bad but from when I reaserch I get a whole different view on what it is about and I understand it more from research though alot of people take it from the media alot...I guess alot of people are afraid on what satanism really is and don't wanna research...I really like the info u have put up and I would love to know more...

[AdNoctum]

Just an observation/question...

Do you think that perhaps people have misconstrued the word satan or satanism into something it's not, the same way people have misconstrued the word witch (if you believe in the wic- prefix/to bend/wise woman type deal)?

Well, to be honest, the words "Satan" and "Satanism" had a negative connotation way before modern Satanism was ever around... :smash:

Maybe I'm not wording this clearly...I guess since people are so used to hearing the word satan in the context of the christian devil that they've taken satanism to be a rebellion type thing against christianity instead of a religion in its own right. Geez, this thought was clearer in my head before I started to try to write it down...

What do you guys/girls think?

That's pretty accurate. I also think the whole "Satanic Panic" of the 80s also contributed to the bad reputation.

[Morning Star]

Part of the blame has to fall on Satanists too. Using Satan allows many Satanists a lot of privacy when they need it. ;) People are naturally afraid of Satanists, mainly because they are completely ignorant of what Satanism is all about. However, there is also Luciferianism and the Temple of Set. Both are excellent organizations (depending on who you ask of course :) ).

I think Satanism is a beautiful idea and I'd say a good 49% of my beliefs come from the Satanic Bible (which basically is a reiteration of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and Freud). Anton LaVey, was a brilliant psychologist in personality and he understood people and human nature so well. He was a terrible person, but his mind was trying to grasp something very difficult to grasp without being drawn into the "dark world". A. Crowley had the same problem. He was a genius who got lost in "madness" and drugs and it really screwed him up personally.

One must be careful when they reject the Abrahamic Morality, because you must replace it with a positive ethics and epistemology of your own... you can't just reject it and then leave a void.

The Black Path/Magic and the Gray Path/Magic both are dangerous because it is hard to train yourself to handle Indulgence without suffering the sins of addiction. But for those who embrace life fully, without suffering the ill effects of excess, have a pleasure most will never know, because they spend so much time trying to avoid who they really are, trying to shut up the instincts and ignore the desires of their flesh - they fight themselves instead of mastering themselves. The Satanist is a Master of Him/Herself. And therefore, they are their own God. I believe in a higher power than myself, so in that sense I am not a pure Satanist, but I beleive in the Universe and in Life as being Divinity - so my practices are not any different. I desire my own joy and laughter. I want to celebrate my life. :adidas:

Hmm Methinks I ramble. I shall hush up now. ;)

[DamienDeville]

Just an observation/question...

Do you think that perhaps people have misconstrued the word satan or satanism into something it's not, the same way people have misconstrued the word witch (if you believe in the wic- prefix/to bend/wise woman type deal)?

Maybe I'm not wording this clearly...I guess since people are so used to hearing the word satan in the context of the christian devil that they've taken satanism to be a rebellion type thing against christianity instead of a religion in its own right. Geez, this thought was clearer in my head before I started to try to write it down...

What do you guys/girls think?
Yes satanism is misunderstood,and yes it is seen as a rebellion type thing(but in the wrong way).But in a way it is,Satanism is opposed to the Abrahamic ideology that as humans we are born with sin and therefore we need a saviour,it is opposed to the ideology that human nature is evil and that only gods way is correct.We are human by design and we are not to blame.Thats why imo Satan doesnt condemn us for not changing.He doesnt ask us to become something we cant.

[Morning Star]

Yes satanism is misunderstood,and yes it is seen as a rebellion type thing(but in the wrong way).But in a way it is,Satanism is opposed to the Abrahamic ideology that as humans we are born with sin and therefore we need a saviour,it is opposed to the ideology that human nature is evil and that only gods way is correct.We are human by design and we are not to blame.Thats why imo Satan doesnt condemn us for not changing.He doesnt ask us to become something we cant.

Not to mention that by ignoring who and what we are, we do ourselves great psychological harm. We have negative emotional reactions to our own deepest desires, instincts and intuitions because of the imposed moralities of the Abrahamic cultures. Overcoming this creates a great amount of liberty in the soul and allows one (if they are responsible) to enjoy themselves honestly and without illusion.

Lucifer looks upon man and sees man - he does not see a wretched, corrupted, evil specie. He looks upon man the way man looks upon Lions, Elephants or Rabbits. They are what they are.

[DamienDeville]

Part of the blame has to fall on Satanists too. Using Satan allows many Satanists a lot of privacy when they need it. ;) People are naturally afraid of Satanists, mainly because they are completely ignorant of what Satanism is all about. However, there is also Luciferianism and the Temple of Set. Both are excellent organizations (depending on who you ask of course :) ).
Good points!


One must be careful when they reject the Abrahamic Morality, because you must replace it with a positive ethics and epistemology of your own... you can't just reject it and then leave a void.
Very true.

The Black Path/Magic and the Gray Path/Magic both are dangerous because it is hard to train yourself to handle Indulgence without suffering the sins of addiction. But for those who embrace life fully, without suffering the ill effects of excess, have a pleasure most will never know, because they spend so much time trying to avoid who they really are, trying to shut up the instincts and ignore the desires of their flesh - they fight themselves instead of mastering themselves. The Satanist is a Master of Him/Herself. And therefore, they are their own God. I believe in a higher power than myself, so in that sense I am not a pure Satanist, but I beleive in the Universe and in Life as being Divinity - so my practices are not any different. I desire my own joy and laughter. I want to celebrate my life. :adidas:

Hmm Methinks I ramble. I shall hush up now. ;)
This is true as a satanist one should learn to control themselves and like you said a Satanist should be Masters of themselves.Any person that allows themselves to be controlled by drugs,liquer or anything else is not master of themselves and in a since are not truly satanist,they are weak.A satanist should strive to take control of their lives,they should strive to live life to the fullest,they should strive be happy,not be brought down my societies downfalls such as drugs,alchoholism,etc.A person that overindulges in anything isnt using the brains they were given.Yes its true that satanist should enjoy themselves to the fullest,but there is also a thing called commen sense.
I believe in a higher power as I have said,not all satanist deny the fact that a higher power exist.Some believe that a higher power exist/energy force. but dont call it a deity.While I said that I believe in a god and a goddess,let me be plainer.I believe that above all things is a life force,this life force is neither male nor female its not a god in itself,it merely is,it is the driving force behind all things,from this life force come the god and goddess,Satan and his counter part.I also believe in balance just as others do.So you see theres really no pure satanism as there is no pure paganism.

[Morning Star]

One of the great things about Satanism, in my opinion, is the Satanic Ethics. So I thought I'd post The 9 Satanic "Sins" to give people an idea about what many Satanists expect of themselves. The Following is taken from the Satanic Bible.

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

My only complaint is the incorrect use of the term Solipsism, which is the philosophy that the only thing you can know is the self.

[Wicker Man]

My beliefs are also very similar to DamienDeville's, which is a combination of both modern Satanism and Wicca. I too reject the notion of the Christian version of the devil and do not worship evil by any means. Satan to me represents an awakening from within. Just as with the myth of Adam and Eve, it is the "devil" in the form of a Serpent who brings knowledge to man, while God himself guards it with a jealousy. If Monotheism taught man to supress his inner urges, doesn't then Polytheism teach us to explore our inner selves and to free ourselves from that mode of thinking? Like what Damien was saying, why would God give us these natural human tendencies, only to tell us to deny them as unnatural? That's where "Satan" comes in. He is like that divine light (hence the name Lucifer) that sparks within us to show us what we can really be and to think for ourselves. That's how I see it.

I don't consider myself a Satanist, per se, but do agree with many of the philosophies put forth by Anton Lavey. The one thing I do disagree with him on is this notion of the individual is greater and more important than everyone else. While I think it's important to have good self esteem and self confidence, it should never come at the expense of other individuals.

[DamienDeville]

My beliefs are also very similar to DamienDeville's, which is a combination of both modern Satanism and Wicca. I too reject the notion of the Christian version of the devil and do not worship evil by any means. Satan to me represents an awakening from within. Just as with the myth of Adam and Eve, it is the "devil" in the form of a Serpent who brings knowledge to man, while God himself guards it with a jealousy. If Monotheism taught man to supress his inner urges, doesn't then Polytheism teach us to explore our inner selves and to free ourselves from that mode of thinking? Like what Damien was saying, why would God give us these natural human tendencies, only to tell us to deny them as unnatural? That's where "Satan" comes in. He is like that divine light (hence the name Lucifer) that sparks within us to show us what we can really be and to think for ourselves. That's how I see it.

I don't consider myself a Satanist, per se, but do agree with many of the philosophies put forth by Anton Lavey. .
Very nicley said there Wiker Man! I too do not agree with everything Anton Levey said and agree when you say"The one thing I do disagree with him on is this notion of the individual is greater and more important than everyone else. While I think it's important to have good self esteem and self confidence, it should never come at the expense of other individuals".

[DamienDeville]

Not to mention that by ignoring who and what we are, we do ourselves great psychological harm. We have negative emotional reactions to our own deepest desires, instincts and intuitions because of the imposed moralities of the Abrahamic cultures. Overcoming this creates a great amount of liberty in the soul and allows one (if they are responsible) to enjoy themselves honestly and without illusion.

Lucifer looks upon man and sees man - he does not see a wretched, corrupted, evil specie. He looks upon man the way man looks upon Lions, Elephants or Rabbits. They are what they are.
Exactly my point :smile:

[DamienDeville]

Heres a good article read it: (http://fcos.us/three.html)

[Morning Star]

Heres a good article read it: (http://fcos.us/three.html)

That is definitely true - I think the reason why most people will invoke the name of Nietzsche is because they are more familiar with him than with LeVay. However, if one has studied Nietzsche's works, that of Ayn Rand, of Freud... you'll quickly see where the evolution of satanic thinking began. I was amused, when reading the Satanic Witch, to find LeVay basically reiterating Frued in his own demonic terminology. I suppose, however, it was to his advantage to make these ideas his own.

[DamienDeville]

That is definitely true - I think the reason why most people will invoke the name of Nietzsche is because they are more familiar with him than with LeVay. However, if one has studied Nietzsche's works, that of Ayn Rand, of Freud... you'll quickly see where the evolution of satanic thinking began. I was amused, when reading the Satanic Witch, to find LeVay basically reiterating Frued in his own demonic terminology. I suppose, however, it was to his advantage to make these ideas his own.
I personally have not studied Nietzsche,Ayn Rand or Freud,but only have a slight knowledge of their views.But you made a good point it did help ASL out.

[DamienDeville]

This is a very intertersting article about Crimson Magick.
I dont agree with everything said but over all its very good';
http://fcos.us/crimson.html
Heres some quotes from it:

Although different people and different cultures use different names , we all can recognize the God for who He is and all that He is. It also does not discount the existence of a Goddess as we recognize there are women who are Satanists as well. We do not discount the possibility of a God and a Goddess or a multitude of Gods if you will, making up the All, since every man and woman in Satanism is considered to be his own God. Again, it is your path - you write your own dogma. We have to take care not to pigeonhole ourselves into believing only a certain way or segmenting our thoughts.

In nature, everything is balanced. The Hermetic Laws are clear on this. Around you, in the physical world, everything exists due to tension and balance and cause and effect. Think about parallel universes, time line shifts and how geo-magnetic forces effect the cosmic buffer. Due to the wobbling of the earth's axis, humankind is in for a very unpleasant surprise in the not too distant future - a blurring of realities, past and present.

Before the Big Bang, the god and the goddess were One (Satan and Babalon looked upon from this perspective is ideal, since the image of the androgyne Sat + Tan cannot possibly serve our purpose magically, as you'll soon find out). Now that the Universe is formed, there is duality and paradox in everything we see. Satan is the architect, builder, destroyer. Babalon is the life-giver, nurturer, protector. The yin/yang symbol beautifully illustrates the interplay between these forces, creating balance and change. They define, compliment and complete one another. For the sake of simplicity, we are sticking with Satanic iconography. We could just as easily portrayed the god and goddess as Set and Nephthys, Vishnu and Lakshmi, Zeus and Hera, Manawyddan and Rhiannon, the Lord of the Hunt and the Lady of Wild Things or whatever happens to thrill or titillate you.

These are very similar to the way I view things.

[DamienDeville]

Church of Azazel Beliefs (http://www.theistic-satanism.org/CoAz/belief/theology.html)
This is a great Link and explains what Traditional Satanism and Theistic Satanism is.Too many assume that all Satanist are atheist.

[arctic splash]

Question. You say the god and goddess represent human nature. Would you say that your belief system is anthropocentric and basically humanistic? Or does your belief system have anything to say about the animals and creatures that are not human? If it is anthropocentric, then my follow-up question is... what makes humans so special?

Another question. (Sorry for asking so many!) This one's a little more personal. How did you arrive at the path you are currently following, and how did you come to know that it's the right one for you? Tell us, if you would, a little about yourself and how your path suits you. :)

[Morning Star]

This is a very interesting site: I was looking up Diane Vera and found this:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/CoAz/

My appologies I realize now that this is merely another path to one of the links above.

*sulks off somewhere*

[DamienDeville]

This is a very interesting site: I was looking up Diane Vera and found this:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/CoAz/

My appologies I realize now that this is merely another path to one of the links above.

*sulks off somewhere*
N/p

Question. You say the god and goddess represent human nature. Would you say that your belief system is anthropocentric and basically humanistic? Or does your belief system have anything to say about the animals and creatures that are not human? If it is anthropocentric, then my follow-up question is... what makes humans so special?

Hard Question for me to answer since I dont represent all Satanist,but in my view all life has a spirit essence,the only difference IMO is that the god and goddess created us humans with a distinct spirit that allows us to have knowledge that allows us to distinguish right and wrong and that same spirit allows us to learn and grow in ways that animals dont.That same spirit also allows humans to experience,fears,love,joys and extacy in ways other animals dont.For example animals mate to reproduce or because they are in heat(which is a part of the animal reproduction cycle,it tells them its time in other words)Humans can decide on their own whether to mate for pleasure or reproduction or both and even when.To some extent animals are better off for example a bird is born with all the knowledge it requires in life,from flyin to eating to building its home.Humans have to be taught to walk,talk,eat,and if it wants to build a home it has to learn how to.I hope that helped out some.

Another question. (Sorry for asking so many!) This one's a little more personal. How did you arrive at the path you are currently following, and how did you come to know that it's the right one for you? Tell us, if you would, a little about yourself and how your path suits you. :)
Well I was disgruntled about the Abrahamic faiths,I studied them,I came to the conclusion my views were not the same as theirs.
I couldnt accept a god that says its wrong to murder then turn around and tell a people to commit genocide,I couldnt accept a god that said not to be jealous then claimed to be jealous,I couldnt accept a god that one minute says Do not judge any one but judges those he made,I couldnt accept a god that one minute says there is only one then expects us to accept 2 or 3 within one,and the fact that it says in Genesis We and Us,I didnt accept the fact that there was a creator out there that was perfect and all good,if there were then he or she couldnt have created some thing that wasnt,and according to their beliefs angels fell and became demons or evil and humans were created not perfectly good.If a god or goddess created us this way then why would they condemn us for it? So if there was a deity out there they had to be basically the same as we are.Dark/Light combined not all bad and not all good plus male and female but spirit.So I turned to paganism,but most forms of paganism didnt click.

Satanism well some of it clicked right off,Satan represented acceptence that we are who we are and we shouldnt be ashamed of it.We were given certain senses like lust and other things and these things are natural.There are both male and female species within the human race,then to me there had to be a male and female that formed us.And even the bible said let us make man in our image and likeness and both male and female he created them.Well humans have both sexes,humans have both a dark and light side and we have all these human desires.So to me our diety has to share the same things,both male and female,and what we have come to call human nature.This is what I came to believe..For a long time I didnt consider myself satanist because I thought All were atheist,or racists.I held onto the belief that there were deities,and other spirit beings as well,I forged those beliefs into what I termed duosatanism and believed that there was a god(satan) and a goddess(lilith) that represented human nature with a balance of the dark and light just as we are.A belief that these gods dont condemn us but made us this way. .I just recently found out that there were others that held similar beliefs and termed their beliefs Theistic Satanism.
I hope this has helped out!If not feel free to ask me..........

[DamienDeville]

Not to mention that by ignoring who and what we are, we do ourselves great psychological harm. We have negative emotional reactions to our own deepest desires, instincts and intuitions because of the imposed moralities of the Abrahamic cultures. Overcoming this creates a great amount of liberty in the soul and allows one (if they are responsible) to enjoy themselves honestly and without illusion.

Lucifer looks upon man and sees man - he does not see a wretched, corrupted, evil specie. He looks upon man the way man looks upon Lions, Elephants or Rabbits. They are what they are.
Well said!

[DamienDeville]

The 3 Principles are:
1. Devotion (Beast)
2. Integrity (Prophet)
3. Freedom (Antichrist)
These three principles seem to be natural to the Traditional Satanist: They simply ARE.
I cannot claim to be the author here, but I can and will comment on the 3:

The first is Devotion. Devotion to Lord Satan symbolized by The Beast, and devotion to members of your pack.We truly love Satan as a Father, a Friend, and as Our GOD: He IS, and His is THE KINGDOM Forever.
We Satanists are devoted to each other, and this makes us strong against the persecutors who are without. Hail Satan!

The second is Integrity. This is symbolized by the Prophet (called "False" by the xtian liars).
Your "yes" means "yes" and your "no" means "no". You are what you are, with no apologies, nor excuses. Lord Satan is what He is, unrepentant forever.
This serves as a lesson for us. Hail Satan!

The third is Freedom, symbolized by the Antichrist.
Who is the Antichrist? He (or She) is the TRUE hero!
He/she is truly free in thought, word and deed!
For in Satan, we live in actual freedom, not hampered by arbitrary morals based on servitude to an UNNATURAL god...
Lord Satan is Nature's TRUE GOD, the God of What IS, of all that is natural,
unhampered by man's interference, and the Master of the Law of Tooth and Fang. Hail Satan
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/cathedral/page11.html

I highlighted the parts that I agree with here.

[DamienDeville]

I took this from a website.I dont follow this website persey but it does have some good info on it.
We who follow Satan are free. This means that we rebel against what is dictated to us. We don't automatically believe what we are told--we question everything they try to hand us. When someone comes to us offering "expertise" we don't instantly accept everything they say. We Satanists are the ones who realize that we really DO have a choice in everything we do--and not just a black or white choice. We realize there may be a third way, or a fourth way, etc...
Thus we are free from society's dictates. As Devil Worshippers, we are free even from the dictates of those who claim to be experts in the religion WE OURSELVES follow!
Following Satan, you determine your destiny. Following Satan, you make your own way. Following Satan, you follow the way of true freedom. Putting Satan first, everything follows. Putting yourself first, you become vulnerable to what society has tried to make you--a slave to what they say is "good", and a mindless enemy to real independence.
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/cathedral/index.html
This does not mean that we should be ignorant morans and do all things considered immoral or wrong,We were given brains so we should use them....

[Ramarious]

My Path:
Duo-Satanism is based on the worship of a god and a goddess.They are not evil beings "they are" the source of what we call human nature.The primal deities that fashioned all of creation along with the help of other beings.Why do I call it Satanism,well satanism has become a word used by many to describe their path that follows the way of human nature as opposed to the judeo-xtian ways.Do I actually worship a being named satan,yes and no,he is not the same being as described in the Abrahamic Faiths.Satan means adversary,well all humanity is from very nature itself against what the Abrahamic god demands.We are human and were created with human desires & yearnings,are we to blame nope,we did not decide to be this way we just are.So I dont worship a god that condemns us for being this way.The god and goddess created us this way and they do not demand that we change,this is who we are.They created us as free moral agents,but they also created us with common sense and with brains that allow us to make wise descisions,well for the most part.Humans are not evil,though some may decide to be.Thats a personal descision they were not created that way,they became that way.
Do I follow a being that created me with free moral choice then punishes me for being that way,Nope that would be ignorant.Do I follow a being that would punish a whole race of beings for the mistake of one,Nope.Tell me if you had a son or daughter and told them not to do something and they disobeyed, would you punish all your children and even your grandchildren for that one persons mistake,if so then your just as messed up as your god.I wouldnt,then why follow a god that does?Satan to me means the one that is oppossed to the views of the Abrahamic faiths.Therefore from that standpoint Satan is my god and my Lord,for Satan represents human nature and the way we are.We shouldnt be ashamed of who we are and be fearfull of eternal condemnation because we cant be something else.

Yes I said a god and a goddess.They are the devine beings that made us human and seperated us male and female,but equal.The God is the male co creator and Lord of Life and the Outer realms..The Goddess is the female co creator with the god,she is the Earth Mother and the Queen of Heaven.If you follow the Bible then look at what it says...the bible says that(elohim) god created both male and female and it says let US create man in OUR image.I know some say that it was referring to jesus,but come on was jesus female at that time?If it wasnt talking about jesus then there had to be a female somewhere.To me their is a god and a goddess both equal and both opposed/against/contrary(satan in hebrew) to the Abrahamic views of humanity and religion.

Another thing,they are not evil,over powering gods,they do not force us to worship them in a strict since though they do seem to like to be respected and honored at times and they do not condemn us to punishment if we dont do this perfectly.As I said we are individual free moral agents,we create and make our own hell here and now.Its not a punishment for the after life.This makes since doesnt it..

I believe in a higher power as I have said,not all satanist deny the fact that a higher power exist.Some believe that a higher power exist/energy force. but dont call it a deity.While I said that I believe in a god and a goddess,let me be plainer.I believe that above all things is a life force,this life force is neither male nor female its not a god in itself,it merely is,it is the driving force behind all things,from this life force come the god and goddess,the Dark Lord or Satan and his counter part.

Calling myself Satanist doesnt mean that I believe we should be opposed to all things that are considered moral.There are somethings in this life that even human nature teaches us that goes against nature...
Calling myself Satanist doesnt mean that I am a strict follower of all things Dark. I believe that all things have both a dark and light side.And I believe that evil is not inherent within anything but that evil can be done or created.Theres a balance to all things.


And by the way I have a list of some words from the bible listed at the bottom and what they really mean in their languages.The reason I am posting these is to show how silly some views are when not taken from the original sources.

HADES(greek)="ABODE OF THE DEAD"ie the grave.NOT HELLFIRE
Sheol=(hebrew)"the grave" ie abode of the dead.NOT HELLFIRE
Gehennah(hebrew)= valley of hinnom in israel where refuse was burned hence lake of fire;not the same has hades and sheol the OT SAYS that the dead know nothing.
Tartaros(Greek)=abode of captive spirits/demons.Not the abode of the dead.Once again not Hellfire.
Satan/shatain(Hebrew)=adversary,this can apply to anything or anyone that is opposed to a certain viewpoint.In Hebrew you personally can be a satan(adversary) because you oppose the ways of nature and mankind for example.Or you oppose eating meat...your an adversary(satan) against meat.
God(elohim)(Hebrew)Genesis1=This is a semi plural word in the same way as church,group, or family,it means one but more than one member.This word implies more than one being within a god family or group.Not one single being.
Ruarch(Hebrew)=spirit/holy spirit.This word has a feminine gender.Not male so how could a female spirit descend upon a female and get her pregnant as xtians wants us to believe happened with Mary?

P.S I am not trying to step on any ones toes here,these are my views plain and simple.Everyone was blessed with freedom of choice and free will.
Pax Satanus!
Thank you for your knowledge and insight to something I know so little about. I have always had a feeling the path I was on was going no-where. Life has to be about more than paying the bills. Up til now I have been following what I thought was right, but after readind what you wrote I'm not so sure. Well actually I haven't been sure for a long time. Thank you again for help me to understand what I'm searching for

[DamienDeville]

Thank you for your knowledge and insight to something I know so little about. I have always had a feeling the path I was on was going no-where. Life has to be about more than paying the bills. Up til now I have been following what I thought was right, but after readind what you wrote I'm not so sure. Well actually I haven't been sure for a long time. Thank you again for help me to understand what I'm searching for
Your welcome and If I can be of further help let me know.Can you give me a little insite into what you believe?What path were you on or what path is it that you feel you should be on?
Ave Satana!

[DamienDeville]

Question. You say the god and goddess represent human nature. Would you say that your belief system is anthropocentric and basically humanistic? Or does your belief system have anything to say about the animals and creatures that are not human? If it is anthropocentric, then my follow-up question is... what makes humans so special?

Another question. (Sorry for asking so many!) This one's a little more personal. How did you arrive at the path you are currently following, and how did you come to know that it's the right one for you? Tell us, if you would, a little about yourself and how your path suits you. :)
Sorry I DIDNT get back with you sooner...
My beliefs are that all life has spirit,but humans are on a higher plain than animals in that they possess the devine spark of life that allows humans to have intellect,thought process and the means to create on a higher level,why this is I dont have the foggiest idea...:idea:

[bshore]

I've actually looked into Satanic beliefs and practices a bit, and am somewhat familiar with it. I definately agree with some of the principles and respect it as a valid point of view.

However, I feel that most forms of Satanism have one huge shortcomming: they're totally self-centered. It's all about concentrating on yourself, and makes little effort to relate to society and try to fix certain social problems. I think that most Satanists are rather intelligent, and that is why I consider this self-centeredness a great detriment to society. You could choose to offer some of your energy, creativity, stubbornness, insight, and just friggin do something attitude and be a positive catylist for change in the world. Unfortunately, this is rarely the case.

Disclaimer: I probably just pissed you guys off and I'm sure you'll defend your position. That's cool. I didn't write this to get you riled up, and if some of you are great humanitarians, that's awesome. This is just my opinion . . . blah blah blah, you get the picture.

[Morrigan_Wolfwind]

To be honest, the first thing I thought when reading the first few parts of your post was "Of COURSE the God and Goddess aren't evil, I KNOW that humans are a part of nature, and I'm perfectly fine with your path because it certainly doesn't change MY beliefs."

Then I read more a few moments ago, and I started thinking in greater depth. I haven't really touched upon Satanism--I honestly don't care much for that sort of lifestyle/religion.

The only way you'd be able to annoy me would be if you start ranting about (dark/black) magic and then start showing me pretty circular drawings that look like they're from Fullmetal Alchemist.