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kalis enigma
November 28th, 2004, 11:45 AM
This is the next essay I am putting up on my web site. Thought I would share and get some thoughts

Defining Pagan

Pagan, what does it mean? Is Paganism a religion? What is a Neo-Pagan? While the Pagan community cannot agree 100% on these questions there are widely accepted answers to each of these questions. I will present the widely accepted views and then my own.

Pagan is not a term easily defined. The origin of the word is Latin and was first used to describe the people who lived away from the cities and refused to embrace the new Christian religion. The original meaning was country-dweller and was not complimentary.

Today, the word Pagan is used most often as an umbrella term to categorize the many diverse minority religions that follow or attempt to reconstruct ancient pre-Christian religious paths or folkways. Included under this umbrella are the religions of Wicca, Witchcraft, Asatru, Druidry, Celtic Reconstructionist, Norse Paganism, Odinism, Scottish Reconstructionist etc.. Some would also add Native American Spirituality, Shamanism, Vodun (Voodoo) and Santeria to the list.
It is important to note that while Wicca is most certainly a new religion invented in the 1950’s by Gerald Gardner, there are, woven within its framework, ancient beliefs, mythologies and what fragmentary practices that survived until this day.

Pagans are not people without religion, evil or depraved. While not all Pagan pathways share moral standards, beliefs and practices, most Pagan religions do adhere to strict codes of conduct and do have moral guidelines. Asatru has Nine Noble Virtues, Wicca has the Three Fold Law and Wiccan Rede and Druids have a Code of Honor.

Neo-Pagan simply means New Pagan, referring to the revival of these ancient paths in the modern form as well as the people that follow them.

While everyone can agree that Pagan is an umbrella term covering many diverse paths, not everyone agrees that Paganism can be a path unto itself. What then of those people who do not follow a defined path such as Wicca or Asatru but still follow fragmentary ancient beliefs and practices interwoven with new? I say they too are Pagans and their religion is Paganism.

As our world evolves so too do the words that define our religious and spiritual paths. As new thought forms and beliefs emerge we need to update our thinking and shed our old ways of thought. Why not change the meaning of the word Pagan? Why not claim, as another definition, that Pagan can also mean an eclectic follower of a number of paths with no name?

People are ever changing and evolving and so too does our language. What was called a horseless carriage around 100 years ago is now called a car. Does this mean that the horseless carriage and car are two different things? Is using the new word car less valid than using horseless carriage? Does it make the car less of a car?

In the same way, Pagan should be embraced as the definition of a religious path as well as an umbrella term. Why should those of us who follow the Pagan path allow others to define our beliefs and practices for us? Why should we be restricted to neatly defined little boxes of belief? What if I believe in and follow the Nine Noble Virtues as well as the Wiccan Rede and Three Fold law? What if Kali-Ma speaks to me as strongly as does Pan? Am I not then a “true” Pagan because I do not follow a defined path?

I am Pagan. That is my religious path. I choose to define it as the name of my religious path. It is a firmly held belief and infuses every aspect of my life every day. I honor deity, have a set of beliefs similar in form to other religious paths and adhere to them. Under those terms, the U.S. Supreme Court recognizes my religious path as a religion. So I say yes, Paganism is a religion!



Note: In order to be a recognized religion in the U.S you do NOT need a Supreme Court decision. As long as your religious path falls within the definition of a religion that the courts have set- your path is a legally recognized religion!

WhiteRavenBran
November 28th, 2004, 12:53 PM
Thanks for sharing! :-)

Ron
November 28th, 2004, 03:36 PM
If you jump over to: http://cyfeillach.uk.to/about-us.php#pagan ...
So now combined, we say a Pagan is one who does not have a set of beliefs, values and practises based on a spiritual leader. That is not to say that we may not have beliefs, values and practises influenced by spiriutal leaders. Why is this? We say a Pagan is one of thier own "religion" that is not controlled by anybody. We say a Pagan is one who thinks for themself, not letting others tell them what to believe and what to give hatred. Unless you're the Buddha or a really geeky smarty pants, you won't fully understand that quote until you read the rest of the article at the link...

The reason why I bring this up, is that there are different interpretations of things. Cyfeillach has really needle picked to come up with this article, but it still is plausible.

kalis enigma
November 28th, 2004, 08:29 PM
If you jump over to: http://cyfeillach.uk.to/about-us.php#pagan ...
Unless you're the Buddha or a really geeky smarty pants, you won't fully understand that quote until you read the rest of the article at the link...

The reason why I bring this up, is that there are different interpretations of things. Cyfeillach has really needle picked to come up with this article, but it still is plausible.

Below are the definitions, found in the American Heritage Dictionary, for Religion:
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Only one of the five definitions involves teachings based on a Spiritual leader. 3 of them do not.

I agree that there are different interpretations of things- but isn't the most important interpretation, in this case, ones own? Who has the right to judge whether or not my Pagan path is a religion but me? Aren't I the only one who truly knows what lies within my heart? Just some points to ponder...

Celtic Solstice
November 29th, 2004, 09:47 AM
If you jump over to: http://cyfeillach.uk.to/about-us.php#pagan ...
Unless you're the Buddha or a really geeky smarty pants, you won't fully understand that quote until you read the rest of the article at the link...

The reason why I bring this up, is that there are different interpretations of things. Cyfeillach has really needle picked to come up with this article, but it still is plausible.

Hehehe!... So basically, Cyfeillach's position is that pagans are religious freethinkers...
(No, I did not go read the whole thing yet, and why yes, I am Buddha. Slightly more seriously, this is just the first thing that struck me about the quote).

Celtic Solstice

Ron
November 29th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Only one of the five definitions involves teachings based on a Spiritual leader. 3 of them do not.

I agree that there are different interpretations of things- but isn't the most important interpretation, in this case, ones own? Who has the right to judge whether or not my Pagan path is a religion but me? Aren't I the only one who truly knows what lies within my heart? Just some points to ponder... Yes, however the defintion Cyfeillach has given for Pagan includes that one definition of religion. Basically, in my opinion, Cyfeillach found a technial loophole to use that would allow the word Pagan to have the same sense, even when it is used discriminatorily.

For example, in my French class the teacher said that a lot of people in France were Pagans before the advent of Catholicism in that region. When asked what Pagan meant, my teacher replied "des personnes qui n'ont aucun religion, des gypsies et des personnes comme ça" - translation: "people who have no religion - gypsies and people like that". Gypsies? Do we not think of Gypsies as fortunetellers? do they not have spiritual beliefs? We can say that my French teacher is just plain wrong; or perhaps using a different defintion of the word Pagan; or we can say that my teacher was correct, in that, Pagans are people of no religion, whereas a relgion is a set of beliefs and values based on a spiritual leader. Whereas it is taboo to say "Teacher YOU'RE WRONG! Pagans have religions too!" it is much easier to accept the word religion has having a different meaning. Futhermore, "religion" may have another (or perhpas many other) meaning: a set of beliefs and values.

Note Bene: The numbers following the word religion in the next few sentences, correspond to the numbered defintions in the American Heritage Dictionary.

Thus, Pagans are people of no religion3 but they are of many religions1. With that in mind, I agree no one has the right to tell you that your beliefs are not a religion1 - however you may have no religion3 or be non-religious (of religion3).

Hope that clears things up,
Peace From Rhys (if the word "peace" does not rhyme with "Rhys" then you are saying my name incorrectly.)

Ron
November 29th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Hehehe!... So basically, Cyfeillach's position is that pagans are religious freethinkers... Exactly! _happydanc

AmericanMe
November 29th, 2004, 06:11 PM
I was told in a wicca 'class' that historically 'pagan' was a term that meant 'country dweller'. Basically those who lived out in the sticks that still hung on to the old ways of healing and superstition. Not necissarily worhipping the old deities though.

Ron
November 29th, 2004, 06:23 PM
I was told in a wicca 'class' that historically 'pagan' was a term that meant 'country dweller'. Basically those who lived out in the sticks that still hung on to the old ways of healing and superstition. Not necissarily worhipping the old deities though.
Yes. However, historically the word "odd", coming from "od", means "good" or "special" - whereas today we say things are "odd" in negative connoation. :) Isn't that odd? It is just as so that the word Pagan has changed; the defintion has become deeper, more definitive (even though the word Pagan is still extremely broad) - in my opinion. You will note that the vast majority of Pagans, today, do not live " out in the sticks". :)

AmericanMe
November 29th, 2004, 07:01 PM
yeah, but I was told this during a discussion about the burning times, so its had what? A good 400 years to change?:D

Elderbush
November 29th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Since there were no burning times, I would take it with a great big grain of salt! Someone I respect said that pagan didn't really describe a person that lived in the sticks but someone who was not a soldier for god or Christ. I can't really remember - it has been awhile. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Ron
November 29th, 2004, 09:17 PM
Since there were no burning times, I would take it with a great big grain of salt! Someone I respect said that pagan didn't really describe a person that lived in the sticks but someone who was not a soldier for god or Christ. I can't really remember - it has been awhile. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Absolutely. Persons loyal to the Pope would say such things... "He's a pagan disgrace." ... "The righteous shant pick up for the pagan."... "They are pagans, with no [real] G!d - the soul of the Antichrist."

Aye... those are some quotes which I have heard uttered from the lips of Catholic persons. Evangelican and fundamental Christians would also utter similar faux-pas.

Elderbush
November 29th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Ah! Here it is from Michael Quinian: "Roman soldiers, who called themselves miles, used paganus as a belittling slangy term for somebody not in the army, a civilian. The early Christians in Rome thought of themselves as soldiers of Christ, taking seriously St Paul’s instruction to put on the whole armour of God. They adopted the same vocabulary as Roman soldiers—miles for one of their number and paganus for a person who wasn’t a Christian."

Morning Star
December 5th, 2004, 08:55 AM
I think the way Pagan is used now is to describe those religions outside of the Abrahamic Religions. Religions that are 'a way' as opposed to 'the way'.