Crop Circles

[Scarlet]

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[Ceres]

the research group for crop circles in canada is www.cccm.ca
a friend of mine who lives in the boonies invited me to see a crop circle that occured in her neighbours field. it was awesome to see...i really dont know how it could have been made with such precision in complete darkness without anyone seeing and without leaving any trace in the surrounding wheat from the road, but thats what the visiting scientist claimed. on the site i gave, there are some pretty interesting characteristics present in the wheat that made me question the scientist's conviction that it was nothing more than a prank.

[Valnorran]

Crop circles have been thoroughly de-bunked.

[Ceres]

rolls eyes...yes, well......

[Valnorran]

I don't remember what documentary it was that I saw, but it actually showed how crop circles were made.

[evie_mun]

*Grins* Sounds like a pretty cool senior prank. Just make sure it's nothing you can get into huge trouble for, and it won't hurt anyone or anyone's property (make sure it won't severly damage some farmer's crops or something like that.)

Be careful doing it. Senior pranks in the U.S. nowadays can get you in real trouble.

[Valnorran]

Cool! I wish I could have seen that because the reason why I wanted a picture was so I could do some in my school's yard for a senior prank.
Carl Sagan tells how it all got started in his book "The Demon Haunted World." I can't remember what chapter, though.

[Ceres]

i have read both sides of the debate. there are some crop circles that have been shown to be hoaxes. they have a historical past that goes back as far as the 1600s as well which we cant know to be hoaxes. there are odd penonmenon around them that scientists cant explain, but still insist isnt worth investigating because previous crop circles have been shown hoaxes. i am not arguing that they are anything but hoaxes, just that science can get awfully arrogant and refuse to entertain doubts. with good reason - any scientist who steps outside the norm loses prestige and can even be ostrasized.
it happened with medicine.....

[HolographicJoe]

i recently read a book on crop cicrles that showed the difference between a known fake and a "real" one. I have to say, they are very hard to fake. The angles and curves are pefectly accurate in the "real" ones. Even good fakes are pretty obvious. Lines are a little crooked, angles are off....and the corn always lays down in patterns, like it's been whipped by wind. the corn in fakes is haphazardly lain.

But the oddest thing is te abnormallity of the wheat in the affected areas. As some one else sadi, often it has exploded from the inside, and the seeds are 90% less healthy. When they germinate at all, the plants are sicly and scrawny. Only 10% ofthe plants seem to be normal, and those are often extraordinary.

I am a born skeptic and cynic, and honestly, I can't see how they can be made so accurately, the corn all in place, bent in one direction, not mown, but bent, (even, at the centre of a whirl, one stalk standing straight up), no sign of people having gone through the field to the site, no lights nor sounds, in four hours. The altering of the wheat aside, the time contraints alone make it all but impossible. If a wooden template was made, perfet in angle, curve and degree, and a large team assembled, hending each stalk of corn alone would take all night, and maybe all week. Add the strange difference between te wheat involdec and that from another part of the field, and th elanding sirtes of alien craft doesn't sound THAT far-fetched.

They are strange, and quite beautiful. And they give you an odd feeling, like you are missing the blazingly obvious. It's a bit nagging, really.

[Ceres]

i saw the wheat on the one in the field near here...i dont really know what a fake job looks like, but this wheat was laid down so completly that it looked like a woven mat. the angle lined up perfectly with the magnetic north and with the angles on two other crop circles in the area the same summer. apparently u would draw a unilateral triangle by plotting the crop circles on a map. also, i have read there is a strange phenomenon the following growing season in many crop circles. where the circle was will still be clearly visible in the air in the new growth of whatever crop is grown. these changes in the plant of a seed new to the area are attributed to soil changes fromthe crop circle. i dont kow what could explain that with hoaxes?

[HolographicJoe]

Yeah, they alter the wheat, seemingly genetically, like radiation would. It's really messed up,for lack of a better expression.

[UnAdept]

They are strange, and quite beautiful. And they give you an odd feeling, like you are missing the blazingly obvious. It's a bit nagging, really.

I agree with you completely, HoloJoe, and though I know this topic is dead, I'd like to revive it. I've heard a lot about cropcircles, and there is absolutely no question that some of it's a hoax, but even popular crop circle groups (who do exist) refuse to reveal which ones are theirs, and which ones have an unknown author.

It's really, fantastically troubling; this phenomenon is reported all over the world, and besides those few hoax groups, there's really no explaination. Some, like peace symbol crop circles, are obvious fakes... I saw a picture of a cropcircle Sephiroth, once; I expect it was a hoax, but who knows.

Does anyone have any theories regarding this phenomenon?

[ValD]

I'm a skeptic on this - the much-reported "explosion" of the wheat stalks in crop circles comes from one test in small laboratory and has never been observed elsewhere.
The circle-makers themselves have a website: http://www.circlemakers.org (http://www.circlemakers.org) where they have pictures of their work (including a Hallo Kitty circle!) , plus a "beginners' guide" to making circles. They also have links to other crop-circle sites, some skeptic, some believing.

[SoulHealer]

i believe some are real and some are fakes (well I know some are fakes as I spent a year helping to fake them....some of which did make the the press and there are people who believe they are the real deal) but I have also seen enough oddities in crop fields to believe that "something" weird can happen there