Christianity is being destroyed in the UK...

[Socharis]

...as more and more ppl turn to spiritual religions,

to read the full story goto htp://www.ukpagan.com and scroll down.

Leave your views.

[Earth Walker]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

:nonono: :boing: :T :nonono: :nonono: :boing: :thumbsup: :smoke:

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Mystique
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

:nonono: :boing: :T :nonono: :nonono: :boing: :thumbsup: :smoke:

i know its soooo cool, did you read the article?

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by Socharis


i know its soooo cool, did you read the article?

Yeppers! :D

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Mystique


Yeppers! :D

Wicked or what :thumbsup:

perhaps the Uk will be known as Summerisle (Wicker Man)

[edanna child]

YAAYYYYY! ok everybody pack up, were moving to Europe! WOW a conservative religion has "finally" broken down.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by edanna child
YAAYYYYY! ok everybody pack up, were moving to Europe! WOW a conservative religion has "finally" broken down.

YAY the UK ROCKS

[Danustouch]

Again..as I said in the "Growth of Witchcraft in Scotland" thread....YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY that there are more people coming out of the Broom-Closet. YAYYYYYYYYYYY that people are finding spiritual paths which suit them. YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY that people are becoming more openminded. But I see no need to cheer at the dying out of any other religion on this planet. Every path, is only a myth each individual uses to explain life. And each individual, has the right to choose that for themselves. And we should applaud EVERY time a person SERIOUSLY chooses a spiritual path for themselves. As long as they do no harm to others. I'm aware that Christianity has done some nasty things through history. But I'm not so sure that it is the tennants of that faith, or the deity they revere (Jesus)..which makes them do these things. I think it is a problem in human nature. Intolerance. And until THAT is stamped out....the horrible things which have been done in history, have every chance of happening again. By WHATEVER label people choose to go bye.

[Spirahl]

Good point Danus.
About it being a flaw in human nature...and not necessarily anything to do with one's religious faith.:cool:

[Myst]

As Pagans, I think we should applaud anyone who finds a faith that makes them feel empowered or helps them find their way through life. I'm shocked by some of the responses I see here. Christianity has done NO nasty things, some of the people who followed it in the past have...

[Danustouch]

sorry willow, should have chosen my words more carefully. I'm sure you understand that that is NOT what I meant. I meant perhaps..the Church, as an institution. And certain of its' leaders. I did not mean Christianity as an Ideal.
My overall message in my reply, anyway...was that it is NOT a cause for Joy, that a religion is losing membership. I agree entirely with you.

*(crawls out from under the Microscopic lense) *

[Nyx]

I think it's rather sad to see so many churches losing mebership like that. However, all things must change, and maybe a loss in church affliation will force the Church as a whole, to sit down and look at what it can do to bring make itself more modern and find away to regain the public's faith. (no pun intended!) If their leaders are smart, they will make a bad turn into a good one.


~~Nyx~~

[Danustouch]

Yes..this is true Nyx. I don't think it's necessarily the fact that Marilyn Manson's music has so many followers, or that there is so much media about "Witches" (ie Sabrina), that are causing these churches to lose their membership. I think the people who are leaving the church, are doing so because their spiritual needs are not being met, or because perhaps they feel that the church doesn't really address their individual beliefs. Or..that the Church has to make some changes, so that some things (such as the molestation of children)..does not take place. Perhaps the Church needs to update some of its' doctrines. And take a good hard look at Society as a whole, and find the best approach to meet the needs of it's parishioners. All things must change, in order to survive. They do not have to change their fundamental beliefs as an ENTIRE thing..but there are some elements, which probably need to be updated, to meet the times. Just my opinion. I've known some VERY good Christian ministers. Some VERY good Christian people, too. And I would not like to think that they would be forced to find a new church, new path, what have you, simply because the "Church" is dying out.

[Myst]

hehe sorry D, I didn't mean to imply anything, was just stating that - not getting mad about your wording I promise. Yes, you're absolutely right, I knew what you meant! And I can't tell you how thankful I am to see your response doesn't include "you twisted my words, and it's NOT appreciated"... instead of understanding how the sentence could be misinterpreted and clarifying it. Brightest blessings.

[Danustouch]

LOL. Was bein' careful. :)

[EasternPriest]

Despite all the childish cheering -Christianity isn't going anywhere.

Membership in organized religions of all types is dropping, not just Christianity.

So, make all your "much ado about nothing, for that's waht this truly is.

[Danustouch]

you meant this for those that were cheering that christianity was "Falling" right? Not for those of us who were cheering for openmindedness, people finding paths which make them happy, and for people coming out of the broom closet. Right? Just have to make sure ...you know...raw nerves about. Mine too...Need vicodin...NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

[Danustouch]

Originally posted by Danustouch
Yes..this is true Nyx. I don't think it's necessarily the fact that Marilyn Manson's music has so many followers, or that there is so much media about "Witches" (ie Sabrina), that are causing these churches to lose their membership. I think the people who are leaving the church, are doing so because their spiritual needs are not being met, or because perhaps they feel that the church doesn't really address their individual beliefs. Or..that the Church has to make some changes, so that some things (such as the molestation of children)..does not take place. Perhaps the Church needs to update some of its' doctrines. And take a good hard look at Society as a whole, and find the best approach to meet the needs of it's parishioners. All things must change, in order to survive. They do not have to change their fundamental beliefs as an ENTIRE thing..but there are some elements, which probably need to be updated, to meet the times. Just my opinion. I've known some VERY good Christian ministers. Some VERY good Christian people, too. And I would not like to think that they would be forced to find a new church, new path, what have you, simply because the "Church" is dying out.

Just wanted to point out, EP...that I didn't say the Church was going to die as a whole, but that membership was dwindling. Yes, I'm aware that it is organized religions across the board. Hope I didn't offend.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
As Pagans, I think we should applaud anyone who finds a faith that makes them feel empowered or helps them find their way through life. I'm shocked by some of the responses I see here. Christianity has done NO nasty things, some of the people who followed it in the past have...
YEs I agree... I mean It is kind of cool that people are acknowldeging the old ways, but really... Come on... The religion itself is not at fault... Its the people

[Wyrdsister]

Hmmm. :eyebrow: I also read the article on the BBC site. It's hardly an obituary for Christianity; more like a comment on crisis of the Catholic church in the UK.

I did like the UKPagan.com site. Very spiffy! :D

Wyrdsister

[gunner]

i agree with those who say it's not, while there is a decline in church membership, (not always due to people "coming over" to paganism) as long as the christian churches meet needs of some part of the people they will survive, as also will we. there is room in the world for both we and they as long as individuals are free to seek their own answers and go in good conscience where they believe the truth is leading them. evil happens when any one group, us, the christians or any other has sole authority to define "what is truth" and enforce that truth on others. in the long run the competition from us might be the best thing that could happen to the christian churches.

[BlueWinter]

:sunny: Woohoo :sunny:

-Just read the article.

Maybe in a 100 years christianity will be in the minority.

:D We can turn all the churches into pubs. :D
-who knows.

And where Europe goes, the US soon follows. :thumbsup:

Brilliant! :nonono:


~Blueeeeee

"It makes them disappear." -Pantera

[Socharis]

Originally posted by BlueWinter
:sunny: Woohoo :sunny:

-Just read the article.

Maybe in a 100 years christianity will be in the minority.

:D We can turn all the churches into pubs. :D
-who knows.

And where Europe goes, the US soon follows. :thumbsup:

Brilliant! :nonono:


~Blueeeeee

"It makes them disappear." -Pantera

LETS HOPE SO.

[flar7]

The U.S. almost never follows the UK, it prefers to blaze off onto insane unlit passages and say, "Follow me, I know the way! P.S. I'll pay the cab fare..."

As for decline in UK maybe so. But rural America is fairly stubborn about such things. It actually thinks(poor word choice) it needs Churches to back up its politics. I dont think america will be in any hurry to give up those baptists, prostestant, pentecostal, etc...

As for more open minded tolerance, am all in favor. Lets not kill anyone today. Would be a nice slogan.

[Socharis]

I would just like to say that it is different in the UK than it is in the USA, so you cant compare.

Paganism is firstly the indiginous religion of the UK.

Christian ministers in the UK put down Paganism at ever chance possible.

And Christianity is the only reason why ppl i know dont come out of the closet.

Plus have we all forgotten that allm things are a cycle and a circle, Paganism was once strong, it went quiet and then christianity was srtong, now its Paganisms turn once again.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by flar7
The U.S. almost never follows the UK, it prefers to blaze off onto insane unlit passages and say, "Follow me, I know the way! P.S. I'll pay the cab fare..."

As for decline in UK maybe so. But rural America is fairly stubborn about such things. It actually thinks(poor word choice) it needs Churches to back up its politics. I dont think america will be in any hurry to give up those baptists, prostestant, pentecostal, etc...

As for more open minded tolerance, am all in favor. Lets not kill anyone today. Would be a nice slogan.

I hope that in years to come the UK will become a Pagan Island.

[Socharis]

the main Pagan organisation in the UK the Pagan Federation, has been trying so hard to get us to be a recognised religion, at the last census this year ever Pagan was told to put Pagan as their religion. If their are enough numbers we will be recognised. But the census is only every TEN years.

[Myst]

A little OT but I purposely did the "extended" census this year instead of filling out the short one so I could list myself as Pagan ! :)

[LittleMissGoth]

.. but christianity is STILL the dominant religion.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
A little OT but I purposely did the "extended" census this year instead of filling out the short one so I could list myself as Pagan ! :)

cool :thumbsup: good for you

[Socharis]

Originally posted by LittleMissGoth
.. but christianity is STILL the dominant religion.

But at its current decline it will not be in about 5 years time it will just be another religion.

and with Paganism on a strong increase in the UK I believe we will be on par with them.

[Danustouch]

Personally, I think that it's all a matter of perspective whether or not we're "On Par" with them. Yes, we have to deal with ignorance, at times. Yes, we have to deal with acts of predjudice at times. But...they do too, in their own ways. And I'm not so sure, as I said in an earlier post, whether more members in the Pagan Religion is going to change ANYTHING..because there are somethings which are deeply rooted in human nature. Unfortunately...I've seen my share of PAGAN Fundamentalists too. People who claim their path is the only "TRUE" pagan path...that the traditions they follow, are the only "TRUE" way to practice. Etc. So while I'm glad that I have new brothers and sisters in the pagan path each day, joining up, and coming out of the broom closet. I don't see any reason to be happy about declining membership in Christian Churches. Would I be happy to see some reform in some of the Christian Churches' Doctrines/leadership? Of course. Yes..I would. But..I don't take joy when ANY path see's hard times.

[Myst]

Hm good points D.

I can't say I give a darn how well or not well the religion is doing, as long as its followers are happy, and not harming me. And if they aren't, well I offer them brightest blessings for changing things to better whatever needs to be changed. We're not rivals; we're all occupants of this great home we call Earth :)

[Danustouch]

Besides..I don't really give a FIG which religion is a "Dominant" religion in this world...as long as I have the freedom to practice my own, and others have the same. I know not everyone feels free to practice their faith. Unfortunately....but that isn't because Christianity is the Dominant Religion, it's because human beings for some reason..feel the need to "Be Right" all the time.

[Myst]

Exactly.

[Danustouch]

I couldn't agree more. We're not Rivals. We're here to HELP eachother. We share this world, and we should try to share it in peace.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Nyx
I think it's rather sad to see so many churches losing mebership like that. However, all things must change, and maybe a loss in church affliation will force the Church as a whole, to sit down and look at what it can do to bring make itself more modern and find away to regain the public's faith. (no pun intended!) If their leaders are smart, they will make a bad turn into a good one.


~~Nyx~~

<sarcasm>
Maybe they should write down a list of all the things wrong with the church, nail the list to a church door, and work towards making those changes. A Reformation, if you will. Why, the disilluisioned Christians could Protest the stagnant policies implemented over the centuries, and form NEW churches with a totally fresh new perspective! We could call these bold new people... Protestants! Yes! This is the answer!!! And it would be the epitome of convieniance, because this new church could advocate convieniant divorces, so if you're like a king and don't have an Heir, you can have a divorce instead of killing your spouse. This could work!
</sarcasm>

- Illuminatus!

[Danustouch]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[flar7]

*same sarcasm*
and maybe the old church could kinda' redo their image and try to get back those wayward "protestants" as you called them. Be careful, that "protestant" name thing could stick. So the old church would attempt to "counter" this new turn in a way.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by flar7
*same sarcasm*
and maybe the old church could kinda' redo their image and try to get back those wayward "protestants" as you called them. Be careful, that "protestant" name thing could stick. So the old church would attempt to "counter" this new turn in a way.

A Counter-Reformation? Crimeny, that's a great idea! Let's do it!

- Ill

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Danustouch
Personally, I think that it's all a matter of perspective whether or not we're "On Par" with them. Yes, we have to deal with ignorance, at times. Yes, we have to deal with acts of predjudice at times. But...they do too, in their own ways. And I'm not so sure, as I said in an earlier post, whether more members in the Pagan Religion is going to change ANYTHING..because there are somethings which are deeply rooted in human nature. Unfortunately...I've seen my share of PAGAN Fundamentalists too. People who claim their path is the only "TRUE" pagan path...that the traditions they follow, are the only "TRUE" way to practice. Etc. So while I'm glad that I have new brothers and sisters in the pagan path each day, joining up, and coming out of the broom closet. I don't see any reason to be happy about declining membership in Christian Churches. Would I be happy to see some reform in some of the Christian Churches' Doctrines/leadership? Of course. Yes..I would. But..I don't take joy when ANY path see's hard times.

Again all i can say is that you dont live in England.

[Myst]

Funny... the same thing was probably said about Paganism being destroyed years ago :)

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Funny... the same thing was probably said about Paganism being destroyed years ago :)

I agrre, but the circle hastrned once more, perhaps we can influence the world and make it a better place, save some of the Goddess.

[Myst]

Just like some fundies would "save" us?

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Just like some fundies would "save" us?

HUH????

[Myst]

nm :)

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
nm :)

nm???

[Myst]

it means "nevermind".... or in more words (in this case) I don't wanna argue about it so I'm just going to shut up ;)

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
it means "nevermind".... or in more words (in this case) I don't wanna argue about it so I'm just going to shut up ;)

Oh right thanx, and i dont wanna argue either.

[Myst]

Great! :boing:

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Great! :boing:

Super :thumbsup:

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Danustouch
you meant this for those that were cheering that christianity was "Falling" right?

right

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by BlueWinter
:sunny: Woohoo :sunny:

-Just read the article.

Maybe in a 100 years christianity will be in the minority.

:D We can turn all the churches into pubs. :D
-who knows.

And where Europe goes, the US soon follows. :thumbsup:

Brilliant! :nonono:


~Blueeeeee

"It makes them disappear." -Pantera

doubtful

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Socharis


But at its current decline it will not be in about 5 years time it will just be another religion.

and with Paganism on a strong increase in the UK I believe we will be on par with them.


Sorry Socharis, but your posts in this thread sound as narrow minded as Christians are often accused of being.

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by flar7
*same sarcasm*
and maybe the old church could kinda' redo their image and try to get back those wayward "protestants" as you called them. Be careful, that "protestant" name thing could stick. So the old church would attempt to "counter" this new turn in a way.

A renewal of a Pagan World...totally Pagan. YES! :sunny:

[Socharis]

Originally posted by EasternPriest



Sorry Socharis, but your posts in this thread sound as narrow minded as Christians are often accused of being.

Not being narrow minded just saying perhaps it would be nice for a change.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Oky we do all know that EP Is catholic right? And we are speaking of Christianity as crap saying it wil die out... Dont you guys find that he could find it offending?

[Spirahl]

I agree with you Mist. I think that EP's membership and activity in this community shows an open mind, and heart.
I'm sure it's hard for him at times, to be made to feel as if he has to answer for all Christians...and to defend all of Christdom...

[BlueWinter]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


doubtful

I'm optimistic!!! :)


~Blueeeeeee

"I'm dropping down the dirt on your grave. It might hurt so bad, but I can't feel sad. Rid of a fool like you." -Pantera

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by BlueWinter
[B]

I'm optimistic!!! :)


~Blueeeeeee



Would it be appropriate for me to be optimistic about the downfall of your path?

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Socharis


Not being narrow minded just saying perhaps it would be nice for a change.

The tone of your posts seem a bit more strident than that.

[Silver Venus]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


The tone of your posts seem a bit more strident than that.

I agree with Ep ~ This is an attack and very narrow minded!

Im from the UK and yeah its different over here because were 1000's of miles away but you cant use that as an excuse to rant and rave about something that is certainly not true!!!!

Socharis I feel very angry and totally ashamed to be English at the moment by your comments. Christianity is not dying out in the UK at all and The Christian Church and Minsters are certainly not against Paganism ~ Why dont you get your facts right?
Where are you in the UK? Im sure I could put you intouch with lots of Christians who you can talk to about your opinions!

Here in Yorkshire we are working with the church trying to build a strong bond and understanding. Our Pagan Federation contact here is infact a Christian Minster!!!! She runs a pagan shop here in York and visibly where's a Crucific every day around her neck (this sentence has just been editted by me for spelling..) !!!! Its the most popular pagan shop in York and is visted by christians too!! We all are trying to work together!!

& ... after whats happened in the USA over the last few days cant you see that this thread is very upsetting?

Freedom of religion means every religion, not just those 'acceptable' to society, or those which society can understand. Paganism has had a long history of being repressed because of problems with 'acceptability', but it has always survived. Let's meet the problem of 'acceptability' head on and work to educate society about Paganism in a more positive and optimistic way!!

... not like your way!!

[Myst]

Silver Venus - I'm glad to see that people there are in fact working together and uniting regardless of religion.

I think this week, of all times, many of us understand the need for understanding and respect rather then dividing eachother.

[Silver Venus]

I heartily agree Willow and couldnt stress more the need for unity and understanding in this world right now.
Peace to all.

[Danustouch]

I could not agree more, silver venus, and Willow. This is a time for unity. Free of labels, free of bias. It is a time for healing, and for peace.

[mol]

SITE GOD MODE

Refer to rule #1 of our community rules everyone.

[Celtic_Angel]

Hmmm...I think it is sad that any faith or religion should have to celebrate another religion's downfall or troubled moments, even if it boosts their own. A troubled moment is all that I beleive this to be for Christianity. I do not see any pending sownfall in sight.

As for people finding paths that are right for them, that is great. Let us hope and pray that it does not go to their heads though and close their minds.

[BlueWinter]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


Would it be appropriate for me to be optimistic about the downfall of your path?


To each his own! :)


~Blueeeeeeee

"I'll split my head in two and see you twice!!"

"No sense makes sense." -Pantera

[Danustouch]

And that is EXACTLY the point, Blue Winter. To each his own. We should be more tolerant of others paths...especially during this time, when it doesn't feel as if labels matter. All that matters, is that we draw together, as a Community of people, The Human Race, to support eachother, and love eachother.

[loopy]

I'm not sure I can see what good would come of a downfall in Christianity, if in fact it ever were to happen. Suppose it was practically stamped out. There would always be a few worshippers to carry it through the years, much like Paganism survived its ambush. Then a few hundred years from now we could have some Christians facing the same persecutions Witches/Pagans once did, and Christians feeling extremely bitter towards Pagans.

We shouldn't be praying for a return to Paganism, or Christianity, or any religion. We should be praying towards a peaceful meeting of all religions. One person's bane is another's salvation, and we're all entitled to our beliefs. Just my opinion, of course.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


The tone of your posts seem a bit more strident than that.

Well they were not supposed to, sowwy.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by mol
SITE GOD MODE

Refer to rule #1 of our community rules everyone.

I must protest that i was not bashing any religion just posting some general information from a UK Pagan Website.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Silver Venus


I agree with Ep ~ This is an attack and very narrow minded!

Im from the UK and yeah its different over here because were 1000's of miles away but you cant use that as an excuse to rant and rave about something that is certainly not true!!!!

Socharis I feel very angry and totally ashamed to be English at the moment by your comments. Christianity is not dying out in the UK at all and The Christian Church and Minsters are certainly not against Paganism ~ Why dont you get your facts right?
Where are you in the UK? Im sure I could put you intouch with lots of Christians who you can talk to about your opinions!

Here in Yorkshire we are working with the church trying to build a strong bond and understanding. Our Pagan Federation contact here is infact a Christian Minster!!!! She runs a pagan shop here in York and visibly where's a Crucific every day around her neck (this sentence has just been editted by me for spelling..) !!!! Its the most popular pagan shop in York and is visted by christians too!! We all are trying to work together!!

& ... after whats happened in the USA over the last few days cant you see that this thread is very upsetting?

Freedom of religion means every religion, not just those 'acceptable' to society, or those which society can understand. Paganism has had a long history of being repressed because of problems with 'acceptability', but it has always survived. Let's meet the problem of 'acceptability' head on and work to educate society about Paganism in a more positive and optimistic way!!

... not like your way!!

Dont get me wrong I have Christian friends and get on well with them, but a i was just posting some information not having a GO at Christians. If i said things like YAY it was just in Jest.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by loopy
I'm not sure I can see what good would come of a downfall in Christianity, if in fact it ever were to happen. Suppose it was practically stamped out. There would always be a few worshippers to carry it through the years, much like Paganism survived its ambush. Then a few hundred years from now we could have some Christians facing the same persecutions Witches/Pagans once did, and Christians feeling extremely bitter towards Pagans.

We shouldn't be praying for a return to Paganism, or Christianity, or any religion. We should be praying towards a peaceful meeting of all religions. One person's bane is another's salvation, and we're all entitled to our beliefs. Just my opinion, of course.

I agree :thumbsup:

[Silver Venus]

Originally posted by Socharis


Dont get me wrong I have Christian friends and get on well with them, but a i was just posting some information not having a GO at Christians. If i said things like YAY it was just in Jest.

Oh Jest... well next time you may want to try and be funny! :)

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Silver Venus


Oh Jest... well next time you may want to try and be funny! :)

jest as in messing about.

[Silver Venus]

This could go on forever.. and Im sure neither of us dont want that.. so Ill just say..
Maybe you should think about everyone on this board before messing about...
Im sure youve thought of that now..

I offer my hand to shake yours for a truce

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Silver Venus
This could go on forever.. and Im sure neither of us dont want that.. so Ill just say..
Maybe you should think about everyone on this board before messing about...
Im sure youve thought of that now..

I offer my hand to shake yours for a truce

i agree and i shall think before i act again, thank you.

Takes hand as a truce.

[Silver Venus]

Thanks! Im sorry for being petty before. I know you understand.

Like Danus said "All that matters, is that we draw together, as a Community of people, The Human Race, to support eachother, and love eachother."

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Silver Venus
Thanks! Im sorry for being petty before. I know you understand.

Like Danus said "All that matters, is that we draw together, as a Community of people, The Human Race, to support eachother, and love eachother."

Ditto :thumbsup:

[EasternPriest]

For my part, I mention the members of the Mysticwicks community during the Anaphora Prayers I say each Sunday Mass.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by EasternPriest
For my part, I mention the members of the Mysticwicks community during the Anaphora Prayers I say each Sunday Mass.

Is that good???

[gunner]

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Originally posted by EasternPriest
For my part, I mention the members of the Mysticwicks community during the Anaphora Prayers I say each Sunday Mass.
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Is that good???



yes! when i meditate on my sword i hold the people of mystic wicks in my mind too.

[Myst]

Originally posted by EasternPriest
For my part, I mention the members of the Mysticwicks community during the Anaphora Prayers I say each Sunday Mass.

Many thanks for thinking of us. I think of you and your family when I pray too :)

Brightest blessings.

[Socharis]

Originally posted by gunner
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Originally posted by EasternPriest
For my part, I mention the members of the Mysticwicks community during the Anaphora Prayers I say each Sunday Mass.
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Is that good???



yes! when i meditate on my sword i hold the people of mystic wicks in my mind too.

thank you :thumbsup:

[MistOfTheSea86]

Thank you alot:)

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Many thanks for thinking of us. I think of you and your family when I pray too :)

Brightest blessings.

Thank you and blessings Willow:)

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Socharis


Is that good???

I'll let you judge for yourself:

(The people now kneel for Anaphora Prayers.)

PRIEST- Let us who have been refreshed by the concertive power of prayer, extend through our upliftment in it, our prayers for our Nation, its Leaders and its People. For all Nations and their peoples everywhere. May they come closer together in Spiritual accord through mutual love of God, And we pray this day for all who in this transitory life are troubled in sorrow, sickness, need, or other adversity, especially: ..................

(The people may here speak aloud names which come to mind.)


.........Likewise, O Lord, we pray for all Thy Children who are now released from the burden of physical being, that they may
enjoy the felicity of Thy Light of Uplifting Love. This we ask
especially for: .......................

(The people may here speak aloud names which come to mind......... )

[Silver Venus]

EP you have moved me ~ thanks :D

[Isis]

MM and BB,

I have a huge problem with Xianity. I'm sorry to those Xians here on the board, but I do. For 30 years I was Xian. In not one of those 30 years have I ever felt that being human was ok, that it was expected. I always remember feeling like I was falling short of the mythical idea of being Xian. Anytime I tried to interpret a Bible verse the way I saw it, regardless of the denomination, it was wrong. Everything is wrong unless someone else approves it. It always has to be a church higher up, because your not smart enough to interrpret the Bible.

The abuse I suffered as a child was at the hands of Xian men. Men that were exhalted as good Xian men, and held up as an example. These were the same men that thought nothing of having sex with a 12 year old girl. Now logically I know that anyone can abuse, regardless of race or religion, or background. But what has stuck with me through the years was their religion.

Maybe my problem lies not with the religion itself, but with some of the people who practice it. The only reason I allow my son to practice the religion is because my parents are actually good, decent Xians, and I dont want to pass my bigotry on to him.

Before you post it, I have and am getting help for my abuse issues.

I dunno.....I just get the heebbie jeebies anytime I walk into most Churches, I feel like more evil resides there than anywhere else.

I know Xianity has been positive for many people, but for me it was a horrid, reprisive experience. One that I never wish to relive ever again.

Just my opinion and experience......

As far as it being on the down slope maybe that's just church attendance. I honestly don't believe its going away.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to express my opinion.

Light and love to all,

Isis

[Myst]

Originally posted by Isis
Maybe my problem lies not with the religion itself, but with some of the people who practice it.

Very true.

And brightest blessings to you on getting past your pain and the past. :)

[Socharis]

Originally posted by Isis
MM and BB,

I have a huge problem with Xianity. I'm sorry to those Xians here on the board, but I do. For 30 years I was Xian. In not one of those 30 years have I ever felt that being human was ok, that it was expected. I always remember feeling like I was falling short of the mythical idea of being Xian. Anytime I tried to interpret a Bible verse the way I saw it, regardless of the denomination, it was wrong. Everything is wrong unless someone else approves it. It always has to be a church higher up, because your not smart enough to interrpret the Bible.

The abuse I suffered as a child was at the hands of Xian men. Men that were exhalted as good Xian men, and held up as an example. These were the same men that thought nothing of having sex with a 12 year old girl. Now logically I know that anyone can abuse, regardless of race or religion, or background. But what has stuck with me through the years was their religion.

Maybe my problem lies not with the religion itself, but with some of the people who practice it. The only reason I allow my son to practice the religion is because my parents are actually good, decent Xians, and I dont want to pass my bigotry on to him.

Before you post it, I have and am getting help for my abuse issues.

I dunno.....I just get the heebbie jeebies anytime I walk into most Churches, I feel like more evil resides there than anywhere else.

I know Xianity has been positive for many people, but for me it was a horrid, reprisive experience. One that I never wish to relive ever again.

Just my opinion and experience......

As far as it being on the down slope maybe that's just church attendance. I honestly don't believe its going away.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to express my opinion.

Light and love to all,

Isis

Thank you for sharing your views :thumbsup:

[Yvonne Belisle]

There is both good and bad in all people no matter what race religion or sexual preference. Anyone who wants to can look around and find individuals to prove their points. I am just glad that people are feeling confident enough to look around and find what is best for them especially in such trying times.