World trade center hit by airplanes [Archive] - MysticWicks Online Pagan Community and Spiritual Sanctuary

Sequoia

September 11th, 2001, 10:46 AM

omg omg omg OMG OMG OMG

both towers have collapsed, they just showed clear images of it exploding and collapsing, and I couldn't help breaking down into tears. . .. GODS why do people DO THIS?!

~summerset airport southeast of pittsburg, a large plane crached north of there. Maybe it's the fourth plane, they don't know if it's related yet or not.

there was NO car bomb at the state departement

>transcribing what the news is saying

The president's on his way back (great just what we need, Sir Shrub. Leave Colin Powell to deal with it. Why couldn't the plane have hit him? . . . no no, that's still too violent, he was in a children's school).

gods I'm scared as well. . .my BF's in San Fransicso right now, and I live pretty damn close. The Napa Wine Valley is right in my back yard, so I'm very close to a city that would be a probible target. . . although it seems nobody ever attacks San Francisco *KNOCK ON WOOD*

Please, please, EVERYONE TAKE CARE!!!!!!!!!! Stay home if you can, stay with your families and just be together. If you have relatives it's wiser to wait a little while before calling. I know it's frightening (belive me, I've been crying and I only know one or two people in the entire state), but the more people calling in, the more clogged the lines will be, and saftey workers won't be able to communicate.

I know it's frightening, I"m scared too. But we're all in this together, and we're all going to be ok. Prayers are a good idea, if your extremely upset try meditation if you can. Or just rest. Drink some juice or tea, try not to forget to eat. Grab a favourite stuffed animal or blanket. Hold your children. Just try to remember that it's going to be alright.

*HUGS EVERYONE* it's all going to be allright, guys. We will get through this.

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 10:56 AM

Another Jet Plane just went down outside of Pittsburgh.

Kaylara

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 11:14 AM

Confirmed report... The FBI and FAA are reporting that there were 8 planes hijacked.... Five have crashed... The latest crashed outside of camp david.

Kaylara

moonmagick4

September 11th, 2001, 11:16 AM

This totally s**cks!!!

mol

September 11th, 2001, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Puma Hime

The president's on his way back (great just what we need, Sir Shrub. Leave Colin Powell to deal with it. Why couldn't the plane have hit him? . . . no no, that's still too violent, he was in a children's school).

I hope that at a time like this we can lose the 'Shrub' comments and let the man do his job.

Illuminatus

September 11th, 2001, 11:22 AM

Apparently 8 planes were hijacked today. Five have been accounted for (2 in NY, 1 in DC, and 1 dropped in Pittsburgh and CNN states another hijacked plane is being trailed by a fighter on the east coast). So there are three more up there. Since all planes were ordered to land around 9:30 it's a fair guess that these passenger jets will be shot down.

Also, I have heard that today is the anniversary of the Camp David accords, so it is likely the PLO that is responsible. A lot of palestinians and afghanis are going to die before friday, and terribly.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 11:41 AM

Just told me that palestinians were laughing in the streets ..........what monsters these???
The world is forever changed............

Swannie

Andromeda

September 11th, 2001, 11:47 AM

This is horrible, I've been watching it on the news since I woke up. I just can't believe it.

The worst thing is, this may not be the end?

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 11:48 AM

I was sleeping peacefully, and my best friend (who lives in AZ) called me, to tell me... I turned on the news just as they were showing the first tower collapsing. I immediately lit a white candle, and some incense.. I'm freaking out here. My best friend works for Microsoft, and they closed down, just in case. Her girlfriends dad and brother are both New York stock brokers, and she hasn't heard anything from them. This is so scary. My thoughts are just running away with me, I can't help but be completely wigged out by this.

One thing I will say, Peter Jennings (on ABC) is doing a wonderful job, he's reminding everyone that this is a tragedy, reminding everyone to try and remember the lives that have so horribly taken. We need to remember these people and their families.

The last thing I heard, was that there is one plane still in the air that hasn't been accounted for, they're assuming it's been hijacked.

~Bree

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 11:56 AM

Those poor people on the passenger jets!!!!!! how horrible!!!!! Reminds me of a movie I saw, about the same scenario. Terrible! Meanwhile..I do not want to spread hysteria..or start rumors. I'm going to relate a story, as a warning to you all. Please do NOT log on to any government websites today. My Husbands Father, is a fairly greed oriented person. He invests in Silver and Gold. So today, he logged onto the official government Mint's website, to check whether or not the values have gone up or down. A warning about a security breach flashed across the screen, and about 20 seconds later, his Computer blew up! His modem, and his screen. So I just wanted to warn you. I don't know if it was a computer or phone line malfunction..or if it was indeed, due to a security breach....but...it DID blow up. So please, do not attempt to log onto any government websites, today. Again. I don't want to start a hoax, spread rumors, or contribute to mass hysteria. But I could not in good concscience, NOT relate this story. Just in case.

Blessed Be, and Be safe!!!!!!

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 12:04 PM

The first plane hit the first tower at 8:45 and the second plane
hit the second tower at 10:45...and they had to have been
loaded with explosives to do that much damage.
The tragic thing is those passengers on those hi-jacked planes
dying for no good reason, as well as all of the other victims.
There are a small handful of individuals/groups that are suspect,
and #1 is Osama bin Laden.
I agree with Mol.....this is not the time for Bush bashing....let's
think about those victims of these attacks....and let's light some
candles, and send out energy, and our condolences as well.

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 12:05 PM

Meanwhile..the Church down the street is ringing it's bells non-stop. And the wind is picking up, and blowing my windchimes around like crazy...and I see a line of cars down at the church. I feel that so many of our people in this country, are sending prayers and energy toward the victims of this tragedy. And so many are adding their prayers for protection. It is a beautiful thing, that in a time of such ugliness, and tragedy, that human beings can draw together toward a common cause, and unite. I just had to share that. I'm thinking of walking down to the church after I finish my ritual here, and just sitting down, and adding my prayers to those said there, today. I don't know..in times like this, people tend to forget labels..and just call for healing.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 12:10 PM

I have no idea whethere I would get through my daughter and her children are ok .......
I really didnt realise she lived so close to Camp David..... I am thinking of volunteering as a nurse but I dont know where to ask.......
does anyone know??
HUGS every one very tightly.....
Swannie

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Apparently 8 planes were hijacked today. Five have been accounted for (2 in NY, 1 in DC, and 1 dropped in Pittsburgh and CNN states another hijacked plane is being trailed by a fighter on the east coast). So there are three more up there. Since all planes were ordered to land around 9:30 it's a fair guess that these passenger jets will be shot down.

Also, I have heard that today is the anniversary of the Camp David accords, so it is likely the PLO that is responsible. A lot of palestinians and afghanis are going to die before friday, and terribly.

It is not the Palestinians....it is most likely Osama bin Laden.
He has the the resources, etc., to do something like this, as
well as the backing of the Taliban....and I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if Colonel Khadafi is involved as well.

mol

September 11th, 2001, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Mystique
The first plane hit the first tower at 8:45 and the second plane
hit the second tower at 10:45...and they had to have been
loaded with explosives to do that much damage.
The tragic thing is those passengers on those hi-jacked planes
dying for no good reason, as well as all of the other victims.
There are a small handful of individuals/groups that are suspect,
and #1 is Osama bin Laden.
I agree with Mol.....this is not the time for Bush bashing....let's
think about those victims of these attacks....and let's light some
candles, and send out energy, and our condolences as well.

Thank you Mystique.

There is something else. Two of my friends were in the WTC when it was hit. One may be dead. A group of us have been emailing back and forth. The other of the two is giving us updates via his pda. Anyway, he is on the way to the hospital. There is hope that he was taken there.

Any energy you can spare. This guy is a great individual and it saddens me to think of the world without him.

mol

September 11th, 2001, 12:15 PM

Lets pull together everyone. Lets not argue on who it was or wasnt...lets concentrate on the people...

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 12:16 PM

that is based in ENGLAND... has just offereed to try and contact my son via telephone if I cannot get thru ........words cannot express........
Swannie

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 12:16 PM

All incoming international flights bound for the U.S. have been
diverted to Canadian airports, and all outgoing flights have
been cancelled until further notice.....and those incoming flights
landing in Canada will be thoroughly checked out to make sure
there are no hi-jackers, explosives, etc.

Andromeda

September 11th, 2001, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by mol
Lets pull together everyone. Lets not argue on who it was or wasnt...lets concentrate on the people...

I agree, so many have been lost today..... so many innocent people....

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 12:18 PM

Terror attacks hit U.S.
Posted: September 11, 2001

People walk away from the World Trade Center as ash rains down.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.

• In the first attack, a plane hit the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapsed.

• About an hour later, a plane crashed into the Pentagon, part of which later collapsed.

• American Airlines told CNN that it lost two planes in "tragic accidents:" Flight 11 from Boston with 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard and Flight 77 from Washington Dulles airport with 58 passengers and six crew aboard. Both planes were en route to Los Angeles

• United Airlines Flight 93 airliner headed from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, crashed near Somerset, Pennsylvania -- police said initial reports indicated no survivors. United also confirmed the crash of Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles.

• The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington evacuated.

• President Bush cancelled an appearance in Florida to return to Washington, calling the crashes "apparent terrorist attacks" and "a national tragedy."

• In the first ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide have been stopped at their departure airports.

• All international flights were diverted to Canada.

• Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, said in reaction to the news of the terror attacks that "we want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice."

• In New York, more than 10,000 rescue personnel rushed to the scene. The entire downtown area of Manhattan was evacuated as far north as Rockefeller Center, according to an official at an emergency command post.

• Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.

• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated. CDC was preparing bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.

• Philadelphia landmarks were also evacuated.

• In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.

• The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.

• U.S. stock markets were closed after the New York attacks.

• NATO sent home all non-essential personnel from its Brussels, Belgium, headquarters.

• Border between the United States and Mexico closed.

Found at:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/story.html

mol

September 11th, 2001, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Mystique
All incoming international flights bound for the U.S. have been
diverted to Canadian airports, and all outgoing flights have
been cancelled until further notice.....and those incoming flights
landing in Canada will be thoroughly checked out to make sure
there are no hi-jackers, explosives, etc.

Always there when you need them...

BlueWinter

September 11th, 2001, 12:23 PM

Both towers are GONE!!!!

People were jumping out of the buildings!!
Thousands are supposedly dead!!!!

I can smell the smoke from my house!!

They showed footage of people celebrating in the Middle East!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!

My mother works at the UN but she didn't go today.
She said the UN Plaza had a bomb threat last night, and the police were checking the flower pots for bombs!!

Manhattan wont ever be the same!!!

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 12:24 PM

alone in this world .........
the world is watching in horror........
everyone is affected......
Swannie

Loki

September 11th, 2001, 12:27 PM

They are shutting down all the federal buildings here in Buffalo, NY. They have also closed many of the other buildings here.

The air base here is on high alert and is locked down! The bridges into Canada are closed. Its your basic mayhem here.

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 12:29 PM

Apparently, there now are bomb threats in Ottawa, the
Parliament Buildings....

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 12:35 PM

Day of terror in N.Y., Washington

2 hijacked jets
ram, topple
Trade Center;
another plane
hits Pentagon
An explosion rocks World Trade Center Tower 1 as Tower 2 burns from a previous plane collision.

MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

NEW YORK, Sept. 11 — Americans reeled in horror Tuesday as the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history saw two hijacked planes crash into the World Trade Center, toppling the twin 110-story towers where thousands of people had just arrived for work. Within an hour, an explosion rocked the Pentagon in Washington, where the White House, the Capitol and all other federal buildings were evacuated. Military jets patrolled the skies while the FAA grounded all civilian aircraft nationwide, but not before reports of another plane crashing in Pennsylvania. President Bush vowed to “hunt down the folks who committed this act.”

‘People were screaming and crying, afraid to go outside because of the falling debris.’
— MARTIN WOLK
MSNBC.com reporter AMERICAN AIRLINES said two of its aircraft, carrying a total of 156 people, had been hijacked and were used in the attacks. One was a Boston-Los Angeles Flight, the other had left Washington for Los Angeles.
Officials expected hundreds of casualties resulting from the trade center crashes.
Authorities had been trying to evacuate the thousands of people who work in the towers when they collapsed, trapping rescuers and workers. Much of Manhattan was being evacuated.
“I have a sense it’s a horrendous number of lives lost,” Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said. “I don’t know yet. Right now we have to focus on saving as many lives as possible.”
Elsewhere, United Airlines said a Newark-San Francisco flight had been hijacked and crashed near Pittsburgh. The number of passengers was not immediately available. The airline said another, en route from Boston to Los Angeles, also crashed. No other details were immediately available.

Terror attack on the U.S.

• Main story
• MSNBC's Wolk: On the scene in Manhattan
• World reacts with horror
• Witnesses describe terror in the towers
• Live video coverage
• Discuss the attacks on MSNBC's bulletin board

At the Pentagon, officials said an aircraft crashed into part of the sprawling complex, collapsing walls.
At the State Department, an earlier report of a car bomb proved to be unfounded.

ATTACKS MINUTES APART
In New York, the aircraft struck minutes apart, starting fires and sending smoke billowing out of the skyscrapers.
The first crash happened shortly before 9 a.m. ET. The top of the south tower later collapsed onto the street below.
“I was on the 81st floor of 2 World Trade Center,” Felipe Ayala told MSNBC. “I ran down to 78 — the main concourse — and met wife and coworkers. … I was asked to go back upstairs because it was safe, … I left my wife and returned to the 81st floor. I was looking out the window with a co-worker when the entire room just collapsed on me. I can’t find my wife and I’m looking around for her.”

MSNBC.com reporter Martin Wolk, who was inside one of the towers, said the lights flickered and there was a loud bang. People panicked and started to flee the building.
When they reached the lobby, smoke started to fill the building and people could see debris falling. “It was sheer pandemonium, people were screaming and crying, afraid to go outside because of the falling debris,” Wolk said. “We looked up and it looked like the top 20 floors were in flames.”

Attacks on America

Watch MSNBC Cable for live coverage
The twin towers of the World Trade Center have collapsed, major federal buildings in the nation's capital have been evacuated, and all planes into and out of the U.S. are grounded.

Shortly after 9 a.m., a second aircraft was seen crashing into the other tower. Broadcast cameras already watching the scene filmed the second plane as it slammed into the tower and exploded in a huge fireball.
A half hour later, President Bush made a brief statement to reporters, calling the disaster a “national tragedy” and attributing it to terrorists. He did not cite any specific terrorist groups but vowed to “hunt down the folks who committed this act.”
The president, who had been in Florida, was thought to be on Air Force One en route back to Washington and an undisclosed location.

Timeline of today's events
| 1 | 2

8:42 a.m. ET First plane slams into the north tower of the World Trade Center
9:00 a.m.ET Approximately 18 minutes later, a second plane slams into the south tower of the World Trade Center. One of the planes is later identified as American Airlines Flight 11 with 92 people aboard, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles
9:24 a.m. ET Bush calls today’s plane crashes at the World Trade Center "an apparent terrorist attack on our country."
9:32 a.m. ET Stock Exchange closed
9:35 a.m. ET An aircraft crashes on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon,
9:58 a.m.ET The first tower of the World Trade Center collapses in a plume of ash and debris.
| 1 | 2

10:28 a.m.ET The second tower collapses.
10:29 a.m. ET United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco, crashes just north of the Somerset County Airport, about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
The departments of Justice, State, Treasury and Defense evacuated
The FAA ordered the entire nationwide air traffic system shut down.
American Airlines expresses concern about the fate of another plane, Flight 175, a Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles.
12:00 p.m. E.T. The border between the United States and Mexico is sealed

Printable version

U.S. military jets took to the skies to shoot down any unidentified aircraft, and congressional leaders were taken to secure locations. A plane was reported to have been circling the Capitol building before the evacuation.
American Airlines later acknowledged that one of its flights had been hijacked Tuesday morning shortly after leaving Boston en route to Los Angeles.
In Pennsylvania, a commercial aircraft carrying 90 people crashed shortly after takeoff. It was not clear if it was liked to the terrorist attacks.
In New York, much of Manhattan was evacuating as rescuers tried to regroup after the trade towers collapsed.

Click on the image for reports of the terrorism attacks.
The center was the scene of an earlier terrorist attack: the Feb. 26, 1993, bombing that killed six people and injured more than 1,000 others. Terrorist Ramzi Yousef and three others were convicted of orchestrating the attack. Three other indicted co-conspirators remain at large.
Traffic entering New York City from New Jersey was at a standstill approaching the Holland Tunnel as motorists stood outside their cars watching the fire.
Across the country, highrises like Chicago’s Sears Trade tower were being evacuated as a precaution. Buildings were also being evacuated in London.

Found at:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028_asp.htm#BODY

Kaylara

Autumn Gemini

September 11th, 2001, 12:40 PM

The entire military is on Alert Status Charlie. One of the spouses here at Ft Bragg says the 82nd Airborne is now on lockdown. Bragg is closing access as much as possible. All personnel on leave are being recalled. May Goddess watch over all of you.

BlueWinter

September 11th, 2001, 12:41 PM

ALL THOSE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

:(

Wiccan Maeve

September 11th, 2001, 12:42 PM

This is a terrible tradgedy that has happened. I send prayers to all of it's victims, those helping the wounded and those working to solve this crime.

Everyone is in my thoughts and prayers, I will be lighting every candle I own.

Love & light,
HoneyDreads

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 12:42 PM

and although there IS cause , let us attempt to not surrender to it ........
They shall not prevail...........
SO MOTE IT BE
Swannie

mol

September 11th, 2001, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Autumn Gemini
The entire military is on Alert Status Charlie. One of the spouses here at Ft Bragg says the 82nd Airborne is now on lockdown. Bragg is closing access as much as possible. All personnel on leave are being recalled. May Goddess watch over all of you.

Not anymore.

Now: Army is at threatcon Delta.

Mariposa De La Luna

September 11th, 2001, 12:45 PM

In Houston the Johnson Space center is closing. In FW the school system is under high alert from a bomb threat and at least one college has cancelled classes. Our Federal building was not ordered evac but people started leaving anyways. I think things could get bad soon just from panic.

We need to keep our heads and not let them get to us. Call the members of your families who are excitable and make sure they are doing OK. I think we our going to need alot of stregnth in the days to come.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 12:46 PM

lives in Manhattan............
her daughter is a doctor there as well ..............GODDESS BLESS hem and all the residents affected and the World who has to suffer greatly from a minority of insane monsters........
Love and Light
Swannie

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 12:51 PM

I live in upstate NY and everything here is in complete CHAOS. Colleges are in lock down mode, schools are closing...

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 12:53 PM

I just went to the red cross to give blood and they won't take it!!!!!!!!They said they aren't accepting blood today and gave us an 800 # to call which is not working now!!!!

What kind of world do we live in?? Give blood Help...no wait we didn't plan on this... go away...

Andromeda

September 11th, 2001, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Amora
I just went to the red cross to give blood and they won't take it!!!!!!!!They said they aren't accepting blood today and gave us an 800 # to call which is not working now!!!!

What kind of world do we live in?? Give blood Help...no wait we didn't plan on this... go away...

I was watching the local station here in Canada......they announced that they will be accepting blood in order to help those in need. Why wouldn't they accept blood, expecially on a day like today... :dis:

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 12:58 PM

For information on relatives...1-800-387-3124

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 01:06 PM

Evacuations now going on in Toronto, security stepped up,
and cars, etc., being checked out.....

AngelsBratt

September 11th, 2001, 01:10 PM

From what I've heard all calls to NYC are not going through. They have closed it all down. I totally understand and have sympathy for all the victims in the towers, and their familys, but just for one second, can you imagion the terror of those people in the planes?? I am just hoping that all the passangers and the piolets were killed before it crashed. May the God and Goddess hold each and everyone of these people affected, in their hands.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 01:11 PM

To small slights..... they might not be ready to accept anyting as yet ... people are IN SHOCK AND NOT BEHAVING EXACTLY AS THEY WOULD IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES .................
THE BEST THING IS REMAIN AS CALM AS POSSIBLE ANDHELP THOSE WHO ARENT
Love and Light
Swannie

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 01:12 PM

Mol...i'm sorry hon. I didn't know. I will keep your friends in my prayers...and you as well.

Gods...I feel SOOOOOOOO sick. I wish my hubby had not gone to work today...all I want is to hole up with him, and hold him until this thing passes. Soooooo scary. Meanwhile, in our town, we're having a water crisis. Some Gas-additive chemichal has been found in our ground water supply. We've been using bottled water for drinking/cleaning/bathing, etc, for about a week. With this, and the Current terrorist attacks, I think people in this town are going to start going insane. Scary Times.

belladonna

September 11th, 2001, 01:24 PM

I have now heard there is a plane at an airport in Cleveland, I believe, that possible has a bomb on it. If this is a true account, I will add the people on that plane my prayers!

All I can say is UNBELIEVABLE!

Mariposa De La Luna

September 11th, 2001, 01:30 PM

In the local noon news- downtown dallas was cleared out this morning. At least 5 buildings including the tallest and federal were ordered evac and many more were voluntary. Most people got the heck out of there. This was the first I'd heard of it. Police are even checking parking lots and garages for any suspicious packages and cars. Its looks pretty serious in my neck of the woods. Is this happening anywhere else?

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 01:32 PM

This is one of the FEW times that I am thankful I live in the boondocks. The nearest BIG town is woonsocket, which is not a target, most likely. Too run down...and then Providence. Which I hardly ever visit. So I dont' really know if Providence is on alert, or not. But...we're close to Boston, too. And I can imagine Boston is probably on alert, too.

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 01:33 PM

I heard Isreali troops shot their guns off into the air in celebration of the destruction of America....I'd like to show them some destruction......ARRRRRRR

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 01:34 PM

I heard palestinians were laughing in the streets......

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 01:35 PM

Israeli, or Palestinian????????????

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 01:35 PM

Yes, all over Canada, and all Canadian Military Bases are on
High Alert!

Canadians are opening their homes to Americans who are
unable to get home at this time. The border is closed indefinitely.

Andromeda

September 11th, 2001, 01:36 PM

how could someone be celebrating something like this...

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 01:38 PM

Hmmm I think it was palestinians now that you say it...They brought up some talk of Isrealis too but it was the Palestinians I think...They're the sickos (Sorry for the error!)

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Swanspirit
I heard palestinians were laughing in the streets......

While the actions of the Palestians are deplorable, they are
not involved....this has been definitely linked to Osama bin
Laden and the Taliban

Illuminatus

September 11th, 2001, 01:40 PM

Pehaps the palestinians can be given a new homeland... in the ashen ruins of Afghanistan. That would solve many problems.

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 01:41 PM

Anybody for joinning the air force with me? I want a piece of that $%#@$%^$$#

Mariposa De La Luna

September 11th, 2001, 01:42 PM

I don't think that was called for Illuminatus. Maybe you should start a new thread for bashing people that you can't prove did anything right now.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 01:44 PM

-----------will be found ....... I am hoping against hope we do not go to war , but ........ I cannot speak those words .....
but the Israelis are our deep allies ..... and I dont think they would laugh.....
and The Taliban has denied any involvelemt but their action in East Africa was very similar and they did have the pilots to carry this out Osama bin Laden and the Taliban that is............
HUGS everyone very tightly
for some reason this morning I put on all black ...... I almost never wear black ......
Swannie

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 01:47 PM

Funny enough Swan, I did the same thing. Strangely appropriate.

Kaylara

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 01:49 PM

PM Chretien to make a statement in about 25 minutes.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 01:50 PM

I just wish it all hadnt happened .........
HUGS
Swannie

Lavender

September 11th, 2001, 01:51 PM

I feel so helpless sitting here at work. I'm trying so hard not to cry.

Black Magic

September 11th, 2001, 02:04 PM

I live in the UK and am sending my prayers to everyone in the US. I think that it is terrable that some human being could do something like that. The prime minester of the UK was nearly in tears when he spoke to the nation. There had been an emergancy meeting called aswell.

I hope to the god and goddess that there are no more bombings and that it is not the start of world war 3, as so many people think.

As i say i will pray for all of you as will proberbly the reat of britain will.

Blessed Be

Black Magic

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 02:08 PM

I think, right now, we shouldn't focus on who did it... we should focus on the tragedy... attempt to help all we can. This is a time for all of us to band together, regardless of race, religion, sex or even location. We shouldn't start fighting amongst ourselves, this is not the time for that.

Love and Light,
~Bree

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 02:08 PM

every country in the world is looking at their tall buildings right now....... the world held hostage by terrorist monsters ......... we are going to have to have new rules
HUGS
Swannie

Codehappy Kid

September 11th, 2001, 02:17 PM

it's insane, my college cancelled classes today, at least one fight nearly broke out and there are likely many others I don't know about, everybody's crazy
what can I do? If anyone needs aid and comfort of any kind, I will do my best to give it...I'm getting on AIM now as SuperCory, email chlorinatedduck@yahoo.com, and I'll be posting at this board and KBB...
I feel completely shocked, this is terrible, but the only thing to do is continue
good luck and wishes
- Cory

Mariposa De La Luna

September 11th, 2001, 02:18 PM

I guess this may be the first call to unite energies. Its in its own thread titled "important" I tried to change it as I posted before i finished reading it and it wouldn't let me. Can someone change it to something like "Calls to unite energies because of the tragety" or some such.

Black Magic

September 11th, 2001, 02:19 PM

In london the canary wharf had been evacuated so had the stock exchange. The army airforce etc is on aleart and we arent even near the US. I pray that this is the last of it but my instincs tell me otherwise.

Blessed Be

Black Magic

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 02:28 PM

Does anyone know the restrictions for giving blood? I would like to, should I just call the hospital and ask them, or the Red Cross? I've never done this before, so I'm a little confused.

I've never felt so frightened in my life. I'm scared to be a part of this race, how can these monsters even claim to be human beings with souls?
~Bree

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 02:34 PM

Canadian hospitals are now taking in the victims for surgery,
and I am going to donate blood, and I implore ALL of my
fellow Canadians to do the same.....and to help out in any
other way you can.

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 02:35 PM

Okay, some news on my friends and family, my sis-in-law's brother did not go to work today! He works 3 blocks from the WTC. Their sister is trying to make her way home. Our friend Joe is fine, safe & sound miss the explosion all together.

There are still many loved ones in my community still not accounted for. Mol, anything from your friend yet? We still haven't heard from a co-worker's son or brother.

My boyfriends brother is heading down to NYC along with a contingent of Rockland County Volunteer fireman.

The shock will always be with us. Who needs electricity, my house will be lit by candles tonight.

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 02:37 PM

Oh, & for those who want to donate blood. Go to your local hospital. Check with them, the Red Cross is a bit crazed right now, but I'm sure the local hospital will take you.

Everyone do what you can, blood, help, prayers.

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 02:38 PM

Just remember you guys... the phone system is all screwed up in NYC. Cell phones are pretty much gone. Don't panic.

I agree... my home is already lit by candles.
~Bree

Lavender

September 11th, 2001, 02:47 PM

Mystique, do you know if the Vanc red cross is taking blood or are you heading to the hospital to donate?

Autumn Gemini

September 11th, 2001, 03:03 PM

Ft Bragg is closing post as much as possible. All people in and out are being searched. There is talk of a complete base lockdown....Airborne and all. Special Forces is on "lock and load". There was a bomb discovered in The Cumberland County Courthouse so all of downtown Fayetteville is blocked off. I too am glad for once to be so close to the boonies. I can always stay out at my parents place as nobody cares about that rural area. May Goddess slap whoever is responsable with karmic backlash. :razz: Light and Love ya'll. Now we really need to be a community and set aside the arguing.

Twig

September 11th, 2001, 03:10 PM

All Portland Fed. buildings closed.
All military on Threatcon Delta.
Gods I'm so tired of war.
I Love you all.

Peace,
Twig

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 03:27 PM

i agree, the time for fighting about race, creed, sex, religion, and all other issues, is over for the moment. Now what we have to concentrate on, is healing. I feel so helpless, I cannot even donate blood, because of the infection that I have. So all that I can offer, is my prayers, and my condolances. I do not long for WWIII, but I do long to feel safe again, in my home, and in my country. I am worried about those who live and work, in the areas afflicted. I am saddened, extremely, for the people who lost their lives in this. I am worried, about our economic structure. I am sad that we have seemed to have lost our innocense, as a nation, today. No longer can we feel safe, traveling. No longer, can we be safe, visiting our nations monuments. No longer can we feel safe, operating in our every day circumstances, such as our places of employment. We have realized our own mortality. We have realized our own vulnerability. And this is an exceedingly frightening thing, for most of us to face, for the first time. Will our economy collapse? Will we resort to Martial law? Will our nation EVER heal? Will we find the people who have done this, and bring them to justice? Will we face more attacks of this nature in the coming months? Next time, will they use biological warfare? These are the questions swirling around in my head. I have tried to quiet my mind, but each time I do, I start to cry. So tonight, I will light my candles, I will light my incense, I will create a sacred circle of protection, and power. I will smudge my home, and create the Sacred Space. And I will pray for all of those, who like me, feel frightened, and feel violated. I will pray for those lives that were lost, and I will pray for those who will put their lives on the line, to right this great injustice.

Goddess, Oh Great Mother...Protect, and Comfort us All.

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 03:28 PM

spoke with my son in QATAR ........... and he is fine ................. via Paltalk via an internet friend in the UK
BLESSINGS NOMIE AND TAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mother weeping with relief........
Swannie

LadyAutumnCat

September 11th, 2001, 03:30 PM

This is all terrifying........colleges are shut down, here in jersey they are shutting down highways, banks, big companies, basically everything, even our local treasure island store is being shut down. Cell phones aren't working, the local newspaper is on standby, my ex, who i love very much works there, and we are all at a loss. A coworker of mine watched as the towers came down, my home city of Newark is shut down, I don't know how friends are, who's gone, who's okay. I can't contact my younger sister, who called me crying this morning and told me what is going on.

I implore everyone to light some white candles and to just meditate on peace, healing and understanding. WE MUST stick together, it's the only way.

Blessings, light and love to all!!!!

emraldshadowcat

September 11th, 2001, 03:42 PM

All the colleges and universities here in Florida are closed. I was sitting in English class and a teacher walked in and told us to go home. I can't believe all of this is happening! My prayers and love will be with all of you and your loved ones. Not to mention I will be sending prayers to all the vistims families. May the Goddess watch over you all! Please pull together in this time of need!:((

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 03:46 PM

The company I work for shut down at 1:30 we received an email from home offices that fortunately all of our permanent staff at the world trade center is safe but unfortunately we had a lot of temporary employees on sight as well in various offices and they have NOT been accounted for. My prayers go out to all the families...

The red cross in my area announced publicly FINALLY that they are NOT taking donations until tomorrow because they were just too damn inconvenienced. I HOPE THEY CAN SLEEP TONIGHT!

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 03:54 PM

and are communicating incorrrectly ........
I cant even get thru to the Blood Bank here........
we really need to stick together as Danus says ...........
and if you ever wanted to know how you respond in a crisis .......... this is it .
Love and HUGS
Swannie

Armitage

September 11th, 2001, 03:55 PM

I'm scared sh*tless of war happening. I'm scared of Dubya getting an itchy trigger finger. Gods bless those people that were hurt and killed in the crash...

stormyray

September 11th, 2001, 03:58 PM

My heart and prayers go out to all involved. :wah: :wah:

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 03:59 PM

armitage, u okay sweetie? I heard Philly is on locked down as well?

SILVER MYST

September 11th, 2001, 04:03 PM

to anyone who may have lost someone, whether those people belong to our community or not. by the Gods, I'm so scared. but we all need to focus our energy to help those in need on this tragic day. It's scary to be reminded of our mortality in such a way. But let's not point fingers. Now''s not the time. This is the time for mourning those who have been lost, and comforting those who were close to them in their lifetime. Keep them in your prayers, for they are the ones who are in need right now.

Blessed Be

Mariposa De La Luna

September 11th, 2001, 04:03 PM

Y'all i want you to know that I love you all. I hope it goes no farther but in case communications are fouled please know that this community is very dear to me.

Tonight we're going to our local community center, Betwixt and Between, to do a healing circle. All of y'all will be in my thoughts. Blessed be family.

BlueWinter

September 11th, 2001, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Swanspirit
spoke with my son in QATAR ........... and he is fine ................. via Paltalk via an internet friend in the UK
BLESSINGS NOMIE AND TAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mother weeping with relief........
Swannie

That's great!

I'm glad he's ok!! :)

~Tara

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 04:28 PM

My boyfriends best friend is home safe & sound. He was working a few blocks from there.

thank goodness.

also, my mother's friend is safe & sound, on his way to help out, all emergency personnel has been called in. Volunteer & paid

Still waiting on my co-workers loved ones.

I feel almost guilty for being releived that my friends are okay. It's still all too unbelieveable for me. like a horrid nightmare, come to life.

Shy Hawk

September 11th, 2001, 05:00 PM

My first post of the day......
I woke up crying and still am. This hit ever so close to me. My best friend is in Philly and my family is in NY. I grew up with those two beautiful buildings behind me...always tall and strong, telling me that we were safe and united. Today they sit in a pile of rubble and dust, and they will never be again....
And, all those people....Gods....tourists and children. I was there...in that building, and everyone I ever cared about too. But oh....those innocent people...so so many. It hurts to even think of just one...

I am an Arab...and my family is Muslim...this is not what Islam is about. Please...promote tolerance among those around you (especially the children). I have several nieces and nephews who will have to deal with this, like I had to deal with the first bombing of the WTC. It was hard...and will be for them too. So many innocent people...I'm appauled, I'm in shock, I'm mourning for people I don't know, and that's the way it should be. This should hit close to home for everyone....

Why did it come to this?...the next question is...are we going to run over there and do the same? Gods help us to all be logical and make the right decisions.
~Sara ShyHawk

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 05:26 PM

Another building went down... they're speculating it's Trade Center building #7. For some reason, the structure was unstable, probably happening during the fall of both of the towers. They're not positive about it, but thats the basic concensus of ABC news.
~Bree

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 05:28 PM

You may all think me cold but I need to say that justice NEEDS to be handed to whoever did this on a silver platter. This happened two hours from my home and my childs school...they need to pay or they will do it again. The US has gotten too lax and we are looked at as a bunch of penetrable wimps! We allow everyone into our country with little to no questions asked then wonder why this happens! We need to serve justice swiftly and in a strong fashion.

I know you may all disagree but it's the only answer now in my opinion.

SpikesPet5150

September 11th, 2001, 05:29 PM

I just hung my american flag in the window of my bedroom, on the second floor of the apartment. While I was doing it, some people in the Wal-mart parking lot (which is right across a privacy fence for me) start honking and pointing. I'll take that as a good sign.
~Bree

Shy Hawk

September 11th, 2001, 05:29 PM

I disagree....it's actually very hard to get into the US. It usually takes 6 months of applications or more. At least,....for Arabs.

SILVER MYST

September 11th, 2001, 05:46 PM

with Amora. The people who did this ought to be executed. It's the only way, really, to prevent them from doing it again. I mean, as long as they are alive, they have proven that they will not stop. They'll keep on blowing stuff up.

I say, either we execute them, or stop sending aid to whatever country that they are from.....I believe that they were from Palestine. That way, maybe the Palestinians will stop celebrating whenever one of their terrorists kills a vast amount of Americans.

Myst

September 11th, 2001, 06:00 PM

They think it's a guy who has already been doing terrorist attacks, from Afghanistan I think... Welcome to the beginning of WWIII ??? (sorry if what I said has been said, I'm a little uhm shocked and writing before reading)

Mari!? Loopy!? Guys let me know you're ok. I don't know where some people are from and I hope everyone's ok. Lighting a candle, I hope I'm not the only one.

Shy Hawk

September 11th, 2001, 06:04 PM

As i understand it...Palestine has nothing to do with this. Just because they hate us, and are happy that we're dying (not all, just some)....doesn't mean they did it, or should be punished....

I've heard a lot of talk about war, by the way.

Myst

September 11th, 2001, 06:08 PM

ah.

did you see the footage of the palestinians celebrating that so many Americans died today? Adults and children alike dancing around cheering and waving flags!!! Meanwhile with the president of that country (not sure if that's his title, but you know what I mean) sharing "condolences" with the U.S.

Meanwhile explosions and fire are going in Afghanistan too! Meanwhile the news guy says some Afghanistan people are claiming the explosions are attacks by the U.S.??

Dravin

September 11th, 2001, 06:10 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amora
[B]You may all think me cold but I need to say that justice NEEDS to be handed to whoever did this on a silver platter.

i am with you . i say justice JUSTICE JJUUUSSSSTTICE!!!!!!!!!!!
my sis semele my be a fluffy bunny but it stops there as for me
i am not so fluffy

JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMM MAD

Nyx

September 11th, 2001, 06:11 PM

Afganistan's capital has just been bombed. A thrid building int he Trade Center group has collasped. This is a sad day for all countries. When you light your candles tonight, light them with a wish for peace for all the people in the world.

~~Nyx~~

Shy Hawk

September 11th, 2001, 06:21 PM

Afgan says the US did it...the US is denying it....who knows who is bombing the US. I know a lady in France who called me today and said, "i feel bad for you guys, you're not used to it like us french. i've already heard two bombings today".....it's so sad....

Anyhow, there are innocent people all over the world, let's not forget the children...

By the by,...palenstinian politics are complicated, long, and unrelated to what we're talking about. I mean....the woman and children there who have killed family members believe that it's the US's fault. We can talk about palestine if you want...but in reality, this isn't about a certain country...or a certain faith....it's about a certain group. We can't target innocent people...anyhow...I'm gonna leave it be for now. I have to go donate some blood, and I urge you all to do the same.
There is a HUGE shortage.

Myst

September 11th, 2001, 06:23 PM

Not trying to pin it on anyone or suggest any country should be attacked (really, they have no idea who did it for sure yet or what to do), just the scene on tv shocked me. Hm shock is a popular emotion for me today.

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 06:49 PM

Some Song lyrics that keep running over and over in my head today.....

"It's a hard life, it's a hard life, it's a very hard life, it's a hard life, wherever you go. And if we poison our children with hatred, than a hard life, is all that they'll know"----Nanci Griffith

"In these days of confused situations, in these nights of a restless remorse. When the heart and the soul of a nation, lay wounded and cold as a corpse. From the grave of the innocent Adam. Comes a song bringing Joy to the sad...Oh your cries have been heard and the ransom, has been paid up in full, be ye glad!"----Christian Hymn

I remembered the second one, earlier. I am ignoring some of its more Christian themes, because the first few lines are what catches my eye most....And the overall message of the entire hymn..is that God is there for you, (whatever image you depict as God, whatever GOD or GODDESS you worship)...in spite the darkest of times. I know that the Creator (s) is with us now, through even this.

And I'm also thinking of the Jewel song, ..."Hands.".

"If I could tell the world just one thing, it would be, we're all okay. And not to worry, cuz worry is wasteful and useless in times like these. I won't be made useless. Won't be idle with despair. I'll gather myself around my faith, cuz light, the darkness does fear. My hands are small I know, but they're not yours they are my own, they're not yours, they are my own, and I am never broken".

I am feeling this now. There is not much I can do, physically, at the moment. To heal this situation. My hands feel too small..too fragile, too incapable of easing the sorrows of people in this situation. But..when those hands are folded in prayer, or busy lighting a candle, or a stick of incense...they become STRONG, because they are the Hands of the Goddess. As She is in Me. And In You, and In ALL things.

Just some random thoughts....

Myst

September 11th, 2001, 06:53 PM

I have to say today, above all other days, I agree with the sentiment that may God save you, whatever God you pray to, may s/he guide you.

rowan

September 11th, 2001, 06:56 PM

Guys,

I've just heard the news and am devastated and i'm a long way away.

I just wanted to say that my thoughts are with you. I wish there was something we could all do, that I could do. I feel so useless and this certainly makes me realise how worthless the everday stress that we panic about is.

Someone on the radio here said that this is the biggest reality check he's had.

He's not wrong. I love my husband, I love my friends, I love all of you guys! And I haven't been here very long!

Everyone, I wish you well. I hope you are all and your families safe. I hope that justice will be done as hard and cold that may be.

I wish there was something that I could do.

Kaylara

September 11th, 2001, 07:01 PM

I spoke to Lucidia, and I wanted to let everyone know that she and her family are all ok... This is a big relief to me...

Unfortunately, one of my customers (Euro Brokers) had their offices on the 84th floor of WTC 2. I don't know if they made it out ok, and am very, very worried about them.

Kaylara

Swanspirit

September 11th, 2001, 07:05 PM

and evidently a lot more people got out of those buildings than had been previously thought ............... a hopeful note in a day of sorrow ........
HUGS
Swannie

emraldshadowcat

September 11th, 2001, 07:12 PM

I love all of you, even though I haven't been here long. I send my prayers out to everyone, especially those who are in need of it most. May the Goddess shine upon you all in this time of darkness.
Blessed Be,
Emerald ShadowCat

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 07:40 PM

I've been receiving calls and emails from friends in Australia and England to make sure I'm ok...this is so very touching... It's almost gotten to the point where I don't even want to talk about it anymore, I want to talk about something else... But it seems that life here (especially here in NY) has been so drastically changed nothing else seems important anymore. How do we go about our normal lives now? It's not fair this happened, we are a peaceful nation...it's just not fair!

silvermoon

September 11th, 2001, 08:37 PM

:wah: :wah: :wah: .....my eyes keep welling up with tears....:wah: :wah: :wah:

I first saw it last night on TV as was impatiently(*feeling ashamed now*) waiting for a late night show to start after the late night news and after turned off the mute button, I was shocked and couldn't believe what my eyes and ears were telling me. I was reading a book in bed with the TV, in mute mode, in the background when my eyes flicked to the clock to check the time and then to check the TV......what I saw :ack:.....it was like a dream, no, a nightmare rather than being real. My eyes were transfixed to the screen, thinking *aarghh* who did this ....how did it happen........who's responsible...........

:wah: Those poor people in the planes who probably had some idea of what was about to happen, that would have been horrible..... And those innocents in the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon (as well as those on the plane....again), the rescue workers etc, so many lost, SO SAD .......My heart:heartthro and sympathies go out the families of the victims and those rescue workers killed and to all americans.....:wah:

silvermoon

PS. Our PM was in Washington and was moved from his hotel to the Australian Embassy for his safety and has been offered an US Military Aircraft for his return to Australia due to the shut down of the airports......Thanks to America for thinking of the safety and wellbeing of a foreign leader in this time of tragedy.......

Rævyn Cigány

September 11th, 2001, 08:44 PM

Yes, Mystique....bomb threat at the Capitol this morning...all were scared shitless..Wellington Street is about a 20 minute drive from where I was sitting just three hours ago...scary stuff...my head is reeling, my heart is aching, and all I want to do is cry...

Goddess help us all!

BB

Rae )0(

Earth Walker

September 11th, 2001, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Wildchild
Mystique, do you know if the Vanc red cross is taking blood or are you heading to the hospital to donate?

I imagine the red cross is taking blood but not sure.
I went to St. Paul's Hospital to give blood.

Merrie

September 11th, 2001, 09:11 PM

Intense day.
This is one of those things. Like many people can remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when JFK was shot...this day will live in like infamy. Second period, Brit literature, 10:13, I was irritated at how my teacher repeatedly mis-defined the term "pagan". The announcements clicked on...my heart dropped before anyone even spoke. I could feel his tone of voice before the principal even spoke, as could my classmates as the loudest group of people I know fell deafeningly silent.

"I have just been informed..."

It was an oh-my-God kind of moment, as the silence was drowned out by the buzz of every tv and radio screaming the latest update. The line for the pay phone at lunch stretched down the hall...even the most careless student felt the need to call home and be told that it was all okay. People were angry at anyone at all, placing the blame. People were scared, wondering where thier loved ones were. God bless us and keep us, and may healing, comfort and all good energy go out to those most in need. God Grant us peace. Goddess grant us peace.

((Warm,tight,I'm-never-letting-go type hugs to my beloveds, online and off.))

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 09:16 PM

it's 9:15 and they've reported 200 NYC firefighters missing and 78 NYC police officers, i can't find out is all my friends are okay, because they are cops and i don't want to call their wives and make them worry more. besides what are they going to tell me, yeah they are down there and I know nothing else.

i've heard the jets fly over my house several times this evening. we're in the flight path to one of the air force bases and we figure some of the f16s were going there to refuel and such.

it's all surreal, the stores are out of water, milk & bread. everyone wants to do SOMETHING to help, we all just don't know what. my boyfriend's bro just got back, said, some guys didn't head down with the rest, so back home is protected. so the one's who stayed home packed up boxes. i'm lost, I have no idea what to do, i just want to DO something.

my son is scared out of his mind and i have no idea how to help him. i'm scared too. i put him to bed, but I doubt he's sleeping.

EasternPriest

September 11th, 2001, 09:52 PM

I just got out of surgery for the day. We've been on disaster alert since 7:00AM PST, as San Diego would be a third or fourth strike target. It's been very draining and I'm glad to come home and love my kids.

Niamh

September 11th, 2001, 09:53 PM

Bright Blessings to you, EP!

Amora

September 11th, 2001, 10:10 PM

I'll never forget arriving to work after making mundane sales calls at 9 am this morning to hear my coworker tell me about the plane in the trade center...As sad as it is, normally I would look say oh my god and go about my business... But call it intuition, I heard him say those words and I will never forget the chill I got that went from the base of my neck down my spine.. I knew this was no ordinary accident then minutes later my fears were confirmed and the second plane hit... I will never forget the moment I heard that...

Danustouch

September 11th, 2001, 10:23 PM

Kaylara did some research for us tonight. Right now, FEMA (federal emergency Management), reccomends donations of blood and/or Cash. So if you guys want to take up a collection, they reccomend you contact the Red Cross, or the Salvation Army. I don't personally, choose to do anything through the Salvation army. But I will Donate anything I can to the Red Cross, and would like to take up a collection for them here in my town. So that they can send more supplies to the disaster sites. For more info...go to :

www.redcross.org/news

or call your local chapter.

Another thing I was thinking of, is organizing a Candlelight Vigil, in my town. But I don't know how to go about it, since I don't know anyone else in this town, really. Anyone have any suggestions?

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Amora
I'll never forget arriving to work after making mundane sales calls at 9 am this morning to hear my coworker tell me about the plane in the trade center...As sad as it is, normally I would look say oh my god and go about my business... But call it intuition, I heard him say those words and I will never forget the chill I got that went from the base of my neck down my spine.. I knew this was no ordinary accident then minutes later my fears were confirmed and the second plane hit... I will never forget the moment I heard that...

none of us will EVER forget this day. not for a very, very long time

MammaStar

September 11th, 2001, 10:54 PM

Something, just flew over my house. We've been hearing jets all day, because of our proximity to NYC and local AFB, but this was deep & loud & rumbling and shook the windows! :( :eek:

i tried to lay in bed, but I have the TV on, all that keeps going through my mind now is 200 firefighters and 78 NYC police unaccounted for. I hope, pray, PLEASE let my 3 cop friends be safe.

I know i keep repeating this thought over and over, but they are the only ones of my friends that we have not heard from, for obvious reasons. even if they are all right, they can't call home just yet.

it looks even more eerie at night. bizzare. these 2 large bldgs. just gone. forever.

Myst

September 11th, 2001, 11:09 PM

Still haven't heard from my sister in law :/

Shy Hawk

September 11th, 2001, 11:19 PM

I guess the way I remember it...I was in bed. My mother comes into my room about 11AM...she says "sometimes things happen...bad things....no one in our family but...there's been a bombing...the world trade center is gone."
Having grown up with the WTC, I jumped out of bed and ran to the TV...I couldn't believe what I saw. I cried in front of the TV and called everyone I knew (all the phones were busy)...and I stayed in front of the TV all day....
My brother (a cross country truck driver) just called....he was in Manhattan...he's shaken but feeling okay. I still can't believe what I'm seeing...

Armitage

September 11th, 2001, 11:48 PM

I've seen the replay on the news about a hundred times and s till can't wrap my mind around the fact that it's real. It only sort-of penetrated when they (accidentally?) showed the people leaping out of the 100th or so floor windows. I have a candle lit beside me right now for them, and their families.
And if I could hunt down that fscker myself I would.

gunner

September 11th, 2001, 11:52 PM

2350 hours, fox news, reports of survivors in the basement of the wtc calling out to relatives on cell phones.

Lavender

September 12th, 2001, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Kaylara
I spoke to Lucidia, and I wanted to let everyone know that she and her family are all ok... This is a big relief to me...

Unfortunately, one of my customers (Euro Brokers) had their offices on the 84th floor of WTC 2. I don't know if they made it out ok, and am very, very worried about them.

Kaylara

Kaylara, if you speak to Lucidia again, please tell her for me that I'm glad they're ok. I've been thinking of her all day today. :)

Mairwen

September 12th, 2001, 12:57 AM

There is a thread labeled World Trade Center ... Thoughts ... growing with prayers, etc, in Altar of the Ancients.

Earth Walker

September 12th, 2001, 01:07 AM

Friends and family who wish to check on passengers and
flights may call:

American Airlines 1-800-245-0999
United Airlines 1-800-932-8555

United Way of N.Y. http://www.uwnyc.org

American Red Cross http://www.redcross.org/donate

America's Blood Centers
http://4.21.230.152/aboutabc/membership.htm

Myst

September 12th, 2001, 01:40 AM

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=nmcrashtradecenterdc&sid=37138445&mid=21835!

Let's hope it's a hoax.

Raynewitch

September 12th, 2001, 02:33 AM

I am so far away from you all, I feel terrible that I cant physically do something. My thoughts and prayers are with you all, those who are in the USA and those who have family there.

May the deceased rest in peace, and those still trapped (however few) keep their hope for rescue.

Much love

Blesed be to all.

Rayne

BrightStar

September 12th, 2001, 02:46 AM

Hi,
It's all just too awful.So horrible!
Also,don't be angry at those of arab descent.When the bomb hit here in Oklahoma City,people went after all the Arabs,a local TV station even camped in some poor Arabs front yard saying he was a suspect.Arab students were beaten at the University of Oklahoma,they had to all be rounded up and put under armed guard for their safety.Huge mistakes,there.
There will be tons of rumors over the next days and weeks,there sure were here.Plus visual images that can only add to one's anger,they sure add to mine.But we have to try and keep an even keel.
Everyone send out healing,some peace,some love,and a call for justice.And give blood!It seems 0 positive is really needed.
Peace and Love
To all the world
BrightStar

Silver Venus

September 12th, 2001, 06:36 AM

This has changed our world forever ~ I am so low and feel so helpless.
My love and energy goes out to everyone, victims, families, friends ~ all who is suffering at this tradgic loss ~ All the world is weeping.

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 10:12 AM

As we are all so shaken and fearful for the lives of friends, family, and or strangers both in NY and WA, but also on the planes and in our own homes. I have a terrible feeling that yesterday's horrible events were just the begining of something much much more. I do hope I am wrong, but it seems the man (bin laden) has absolutely no regard for american life, as he said our soldiers and sivilians would be placed into boxes. I am so scared for this entire country. May we all ban together and send our love and positive enrgies to those who are in such desperate need of them, and to eachother. And may we not forget to tell everyone around us how much we love them, and kiss our children when we tuck them into bed at night.

Wyrdsister

September 12th, 2001, 10:28 AM

I was stuck at work yesterday and I couldn't concentrate at all.

I felt like I shouldn't be there, that I should be home in a circle, praying.

I haven't read every single post in this thread, but I want to give all the Canucks info on how to donate blood:

Canadian Blood Services
url: http://www.bloodservices.ca/
tel: 1-888-2-DONATE

Many of the injured are starting to be sent to Toronto and Ottawa, so the need for blood will be steady over the next several days and weeks. If you can't donate today or tomorrow, you can still donate!! Just call the number above to book an appointment at your nearest clinic.

Like a lot of you I'm still working out of a state of stunned numbness.

Wyrdsister

Mariposa De La Luna

September 12th, 2001, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Willow Raven
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=nmcrashtradecenterdc&sid=37138445&mid=21835!

Let's hope it's a hoax.

Probably someone who just wants attention. Military intelligence is more secure than that, I hope.

Wyrdsister

September 12th, 2001, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by mol
It was Not the Palestinians...just wait... That's my feeling, too. We can be so quick to point a finger (or 10)...

Wyrdsister

Danustouch

September 12th, 2001, 11:14 AM

Yesterday early evening, I went to the Catholic church down the road, though I have never been Catholic, and haven't been Christian for years. However, the Church was completely empty. It was just me, kneeling before the statue of Mary, who seemed a Goddess to me yesterday. The look on her face, loving, and gentle. I thumbed through a hymnal, and found the words to some of the psalms, and read them. Comforting..very comforting. I was able to quiet my thoughts, there. And say some prayers. It was very nice.

Then, last night around Midnight, I did a ritual, lighting candles for protection, healing, peace, and purification. I felt so much better after the ritual...like i'd actually been able to do something to help, in some small way. And I felt the energies of so many other people in this world..it was a tangible feeling last night. I knew that SO many other human beings were sending their energy last night, too. Oddly enough, I feel like my cats have been able to sense the energy my husband and I have been putting out over this...nervous energy. They were going nuts all last night, but..when I consecrated the circle, three of them came into the boundaries, laid down, and watched EVERYTHING I was doing. I feel that their little kitty souls were aiding the magick, as well.

I'm just starting to organize a vigil in my town now. I have no idea who to contact. I'm going to check around at some of the area stores, and make sure nothing has been posted of a similar one yet, and then I'll post my own posters. (don't want to step on any toes, if another is already in the works). And I'll probably buy some candles, as extras. But I'm going to ask each person to bring their own (I don't have the money to buy candles for the entire town.).

I have been feeling so helpless. I don't want to feel helpless anymore. I want to do something, to make this better, in some small way :)

By the way, did anyone else get the goosebumps or start crying when the Bipartisan members started singing "GodBless America" on the steps of the Capitol Building? I sure did. Was crying like a baby.

Amora

September 12th, 2001, 11:23 AM

I don't know if this is the place to put this or not but I wanted to say thanks to the countries who haved offered their support and help to the US. Namely England and the Soviet Union who haved offered to back us if needed in warfare. And countries from all over, Canada and the Soviet Union I know for sure have both offered to ship blood (and medicine by the Soviets) if we need it. There may be others helping too but this is all I've herad so far.. But to all of you who live in other countries, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! It does mean a lot to us!

Dria El

September 12th, 2001, 11:29 AM

I don't think I've done this before so...

Welcome to Mystic Wicks LivinInReality!!! So glad you found us ok!

:)

Kaylara

September 12th, 2001, 11:36 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/victims.list.ap/index.html

Kaylara

Danustouch

September 12th, 2001, 11:46 AM

OMG...i knew one of those people from Highschool.....unless there is another person by that name.

And Some other people..I Possibly knew. And there are others, who are just from my area...

1. Tara Creamer (the person I think I knew in Highschool)
2. Peter Gaye (I don't know him. But I'm pretty sure my friend does...as he is pretty high up in Raytheon himself)
3.Amy Jarrett (from two towns over from ours.)
4. Peter, Susan and Christine Hanson. (a friend from colleges' relatives.).

My heart goes out to all of their familys...ALL of the victims....though I'm sure I will be specifically mentioning these in my prayers today. :(

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 11:53 AM

All of these poor innocent people taken for no reason.... but my heart goes out to the children... there were babies on at least one of those flights, not to mention I heard on the news there was a daycare in the wtc. And all of the children who are now without one or both parents... It is almost to much to bear..

Illyandra

September 12th, 2001, 02:26 PM

Today, for me, has been a day of tears.....

I just happened to pop on the tv at 855am... (not the normal time I pop on the tv) to begin seeing the events unfold yesterday.

When the second plane hit, all we could do was look at each other in shock. My husband had told me of the terrorist warnings the FBI had announced last week that asked Americans abroad to take extra precautions. Then he remembered the Bin Laden's group last known threat was to be of "unprecidented" fury. I remember remark he made almost in a whisper, that "this isn't over yet." He was white as a ghost, and that's quite the accomplishment for a philipino.

I remember thinking a day or so ago that the president will be here (in Florida) less than a hundred miles away. What if there was an assasination attempt??? I had a very creepy feeling all day, especially knowing that Bush would be in elementary schools.

My husband and I frantically tried contacting his family in NYC. Eventually we contacted some of them, only to learn his mother and uncle were in manhattan. We jumped online to check the Fema and Eoc status of the state....and saw it was already at level 2. My husband immediately began to pack for his drive to MacDill AFB. He knew that threat level and state emergency status would go up.

We kept trying to contact his family for news about his mother and uncle. His mother happens to be an ER nurse, but is unable to work because she is too weak from chemotherapy. Her surgery was scheduled for Monday, Sept. 17th. The whole family here in florida was planning to fly up this weekend to support her and help her recover after surgery.

After hearing and seeing more reports about the plane going down near pittsburg, and the one that had hit the pentagon, we knew that the threat level had become the highest possible and that he needed to get to tampa. It was about that time that his uncle contacted the family and they called us. His mom and uncle were fine, in fact she was volunteering her services at St. Vincent's Hospital, where she was waiting to have another chemo-treatment when the WTC buildings were hit.

You have to understand his mom is a very VERY strong willed woman....nobody could've dragged her away from that hospital once she made up her mind about it. If she'd been closer to the blast she would've been right in there doing the one thing she knows....helping and trying to heal serious injuries. I'm so glad that God/dess put her where she was needed. She would've been so upset and depressed if she'd been home and unable to help the injured.

I just want to say that my prayers go out to everyone this tragedy has touched. I think as a nation we are stepping up to the plate, and doing what needs to be done to help. I know its easy to lay blame, but we as a people with a tragedy of this immensity need to be able blame someone for the atrocities that occured. Everyone has their theories, as does my husband... I leave it to the people that have the power to do something about to decide who is to blame. Had I lost someone in these terrible events, I might feel differently though.

Unfortunately, this is hitting closer to home for me. The FBI is conducting investigations here in Florida. The flight school 2 of the suspected hijackers attended is only a short drive away. They stayed with a local couple who had to go through an investigation because they'd opened their home to foreign students who may have participated. the 2 students had been kicked out of the home and had moved to the east coast, but continued using the local couples' address as their home address, even when renting the car left behind in the airport parking lot.

An area police man had to talk with the FBI because his wife, who was a flight attendant on United 93 that went down near Pittsburg, recieved a call from his wife before her plane went down. The press relentlessly baggered this man and his 2 sons into finally holding a press conference so they could ask about that last phone call. They had just lost the woman who had become mother and wife about a year ago to them and the press wouldn't leave them alone to grieve.

I don't think any of us can say the terrorist attack didn't affect us somehow...so many have wisely said things "will never be the same."

May we all find peace of mind in this time of turbulance......

Wyrdsister

September 12th, 2001, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Amora
I don't know if this is the place to put this or not but I wanted to say thanks to the countries who haved offered their support and help to the US. Namely England and the Soviet Union who haved offered to back us if needed in warfare. And countries from all over, Canada and the Soviet Union I know for sure have both offered to ship blood (and medicine by the Soviets) if we need it. There may be others helping too but this is all I've herad so far.. But to all of you who live in other countries, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! It does mean a lot to us! And hey, don't forget all of those rerouted planes that are now packed onto Canadian runways! ;) :D

Seriously though, I appreciate your thoughts Amora. I think Canada will do whatever it can, including sending blood when requested and treating victims from New York and Washington, to help out the States in this time of need. I know my place of work has already offered to host a blood donor clinic for Canadian Blood Services! I hope it will be scheduled soon.

My heart and prayers goes out to everyone who has been affected by this terrible, terrible act. Goddess Bless you all.

***)GIANT CANUCK HUGS(***

Wyrdsister

Danustouch

September 12th, 2001, 03:36 PM

I guess they found a bag in Boston, and suspect a bomb, or something. details are still sketchy. Anyway, the person who owned the bag, hopped a train from Boston to Providence. They are detaining two people on the train, booked one on a weopons charge. My husbands Sisters take that train..all trains are being detained. No Amtrak train service is available from Boston to Providence, and no bus service. So I think they are stranded there..and certainly frightened!.

Shy Hawk

September 12th, 2001, 03:39 PM

Are there any threads here about what we can do to help BESIDES donate blood? I'd like to have some organization, or find something I can do! Anyone with info on this? I don't have time to scan MW to see if we already have those threads, so....do we?
Any info would help. I am printing flyers for my college right now about blood donation, but there has to be more...
~ShyHawk

Danustouch

September 12th, 2001, 03:42 PM

The Red Cross is also accepting donations of money. You can contact them through their website...

www.Redcross.org

or you can call your local chapter to find out more. I think Salvation Army is also taking financial donations for this, but I don't support the Salvation Army, so wouldn't know any details.

And you could organize a prayer vigil....i'm doing that now :)

Danustouch

September 12th, 2001, 03:46 PM

Guys..I could use a prayer for energy. I'm organizing a prayer vigil in my town. Amazingly, noone has done it yet. I've made ALOT of progress. I got a major radio station to offer their services with a PA system, and cover the sound. I've contacted two newspapers, and they are running an article on it. I've contacted the town hall, and police, and checked if there were any permits needed (there aren't.) I still have a lot of publicity work to do, and I have to go get candles, I have to write a breif speech. I have to contact the mayors office, and the state rep's office, and get someone in the Political Circle to come and say something....and it's all a little bit overwhelming, because it has to be done by Saturday Night!

Lots of work to be done, and I've never organized anything like this in my life. I'm not really good at organization. So if you could all send some extra energy my way, I'd appreciate it. By the way, The service will be Saturday night, at 8:00, EST. So if you want to take a moment of silence, or offer a prayer, know that there will be almost an entire town, doing it with you!

Earth Walker

September 12th, 2001, 03:46 PM

Authorities in Pittsburgh have found a manual written by one
of bin Laden's supporters, "How To Steal And Fly A Jet-Liner".

Dagda Moon~Lily

September 12th, 2001, 04:02 PM

OMG! That is so laughable! <I'm trying to keep my sense of humor about all this>

Just like in ....boston where the found the car that had a manual on how to fly a jet plane.....lol

They sure did leave enough clues behind for use didn't they?? !!

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 04:10 PM

I know there is a clue in here somewhere, and as much as I am racking my brain I cant find it although I feel like it is right there. Here is what I have found, please let me know if anyone has any opinions or advice.

4 planes
4 hits
ad the flight numbers (except 11) you get 11,12,13,14 ad those and you get 14
266 on the planes, ad that 14
Ad the date, 9-11-2001 14
3-6 hijackers per plane, I am guessing there were 14 total (my gut feeling only)

Anyone have anything to ad? Any advice? I know there is something in there, just cant figure out what. Please, if you have any ideas post them.

SpikesPet5150

September 12th, 2001, 04:11 PM

Yes, they certainly did. Although, thinking these @$$holes are smart is probably stupid of us.

I'm past the denial stage, then I moved onto fear, then mourning, and now I've moved onto anger. Grrrr
~Bree

SpikesPet5150

September 12th, 2001, 04:12 PM

Sean made a weird connection yesterday... the date. September 11. 9-1-1.

~Bree

Celtic_Angel

September 12th, 2001, 04:43 PM

Yesterday was my first day home alone with my baby and what a scary day it was to be alone. I was nursing him when I got a call from my grandma telling me about the attacks. I spent the entire day listening to the radio, praying, and drifting in and out of denial. I was in shock for quite a time and then outraged and then simply sad. At times it scares me to know that the world I have just brought my son into can be so violent, yet the way that the people of America are uniting together reassures me that there is still good in the world, good worth fighting for. I wanted to cry when my dad got home yesterday and when my friend Wes came over this morning. It was good to see the people I care about safe and sound.

Illuminatus

September 12th, 2001, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by SILVER MYST
I say, either we execute them, or stop sending aid to whatever country that they are from.....I believe that they were from Palestine. That way, maybe the Palestinians will stop celebrating whenever one of their terrorists kills a vast amount of Americans.

Yeah. That's it. Let's stop sending aid to Palestine.

If it were not such a tragic day, I might laugh at your ignorance.

- Ill

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 04:51 PM

Dont you think? We should be gathering together, not just those on this board, but those on this earth today, and for many days to come rather than treating eachother like that.

Illuminatus

September 12th, 2001, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Dagda Moon~Lily
OMG! That is so laughable! <I'm trying to keep my sense of humor about all this>

Just like in ....boston where the found the car that had a manual on how to fly a jet plane.....lol

They sure did leave enough clues behind for use didn't they?? !!

Well, remember, these hijackers had no intention of surviving the day. Why would they bother covering their tracks? Like they're afraid of Hertz slapping them with a $200 fine for their rental car towed out of temporary parking.

On the flip side, this means that it should be pretty easy to track them to their parent terrorist organization.

- Ill

Illuminatus

September 12th, 2001, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
Dont you think? We should be gathering together, not just those on this board, but those on this earth today, and for many days to come rather than treating eachother like that.

Well, to be Hecate's Advocate, the US hasn't exactly been sending a whole lot of aid to Afghanistan or Palestine lately.

Afghanistan had a serious drought two summers ago, and a lot of people there starved because the UN imposed trade sanctions against them, which are still in effect. Europe couldn't sell food to starving people. They've got good reasons to hate the UN and the US.

And the palestinians, well golly, what have we ever done to them? Nothing. Except donated billions of dollars worth of guns, tanks, weapons and funding to the Israelis. And they use every bit of it, to slaughter palestinians and encroach on their territory.

Granted, this doesn't justify a reprisal of the scale we saw today, not even remotely. But to log on and see someone say "well gee willikers let's stop helping the taliban so much since we are the happy nice US who helps people so much"... that's too much. The US is not always the nice guy in world affairs, THAT should be the wakeup call we get from this incident.

- Illuminatus

mol

September 12th, 2001, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Illuminatus

Yeah. That's it. Let's stop sending aid to Palestine.

If it were not such a tragic day, I might laugh at your ignorance.

- Ill

SITE GOD MODE

Do I even need to state the rule. Probably not, Ill. You should have them memorized by now.

Lets keep it civil, people.

Celtic_Angel

September 12th, 2001, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
Dont you think? We should be gathering together, not just those on this board, but those on this earth today, and for many days to come rather than treating eachother like that.

Much agreed. If we spend this time being cruel to one another then the terrorists have accomplished much more than mass murder and we will only be adding on to they amount of damage that they have caused.

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 05:13 PM

however, the way in which you responded was what I was commenting on. I can't help but feel it is counter productive at this point (or any point for that matter). Responding with the facts would have been a much better approach... in my humble opinion.

stormyray

September 12th, 2001, 05:25 PM

Now they have a gas leak and #5 building may fall. They are making everyone leave.

Shy Hawk

September 12th, 2001, 05:48 PM

Hmm....well....the other post you made Ill about why the Palestinians and those from Afganistan might hate us.....those are quite accurate as well as other reasons that would take too long to state. No the US isn't always the good guy....
I guess there are other things to worry about now though...those who are alive and trapped in the WTC....and major investigations.
It is hard to pinpoint perpetraders now, but easy to point fingers...I keep saying to myself "we have to trust dubbya, we have to trust dubbya....."
Anyone having as hard a time as I am?

Celtic_Angel

September 12th, 2001, 05:53 PM

I have just seen the pictures and videos for the first time. I am at a loss for words, but not tears. I pray that God watches over the continued search and rescue, the families and friends to those lost, and our nation as we move to retaliate against this horror. May our steps be guided in courage and wisdom.

Illuminatus

September 12th, 2001, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
however, the way in which you responded was what I was commenting on. I can't help but feel it is counter productive at this point (or any point for that matter). Responding with the facts would have been a much better approach... in my humble opinion.

wow, how clever. ya got me!!!

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 06:25 PM

whatever

Summer Solstice

September 12th, 2001, 09:38 PM

9/11/01 I work at VERIZON in Boston .I was on the phone with our N.Y. office when the girl on the other end of the phone is saying ' oh my god I just saw a plane go into the WTC ' . I dropped the phone ran to the big boss' secretary and made her call the NY office . She put it on speaker phone ,the phone was picked up & we heard no "hello" the only thing we heard was 'oh my god the wtc ,what the hell is going on' . I felt sick to my stomach .I still can't believe this . I was ill all night.

9/12/01 I go back to work to hear that the Verizon building in NY which is a BLOCK AWAY has a hole in the side of it . WE had beefed up security in our office ,we had to line up so security could see our badges and look at our faces .One man was actually mad & said and I quote " You guys are making me late to work in these stupid checkpoint lines and pointing me out because I am middle eastern " Mind you everyone was getting checked out this way.I am ashamed to say I wanted to punch his lights out. To see the security guards do that this morning made me feel better going to work.
My prayers are with all the lost souls& their loved ones.

Wyrdsister

September 12th, 2001, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
I know there is a clue in here somewhere, and as much as I am racking my brain I cant find it although I feel like it is right there. Here is what I have found, please let me know if anyone has any opinions or advice.

>snip< I really don' t know about this number thing, LiR. I think people might be just grasping at straws with this one. I'm wondering why there has to be a clue to all this -- couldn't they have just picked a date?

Are people looking for something in the numbers because they can't bear to think of a tragedy like this as "random"?

Wyrdsister

LivinInReality

September 12th, 2001, 10:33 PM

I know that alot of people, of all different religions believe that numerology plays a big role in the happenings around us. As I have not been a student of numerology, just started learning it myself a few weeks ago my hope was simply that someone who studies numerology or has for several years may have seen some sort of connection. I do realise there is no 14 in numerology, and it would be 5. Perhaps some people, including myself are grasping at straws, or maybe there is a clue inside the numbers. My apologies for bringing it up, it is something I felt and feel very strongly about, I will search for my answers somewhere else. Thank you for your time.

Myst

September 12th, 2001, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
Anyone have anything to ad? Any advice? I know there is something in there, just cant figure out what. Please, if you have any ideas post them.

See my second post on page 11.

Wyrdsister

September 12th, 2001, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
>snip<

My apologies for bringing it up, it is something I felt and feel very strongly about, I will search for my answers somewhere else. Thank you for your time.
Perhaps I should back-pedal a little here...

LiR, I sincerely ment no ill intent in my post questioning the possible numeric clues. I was really questioning the clues from the standpoint of someone who knows nothing about numerology, and therefore has no idea how powerful it is supposed to be. I did not intend to attack you or your deeply held beliefs. If I caused you any upset, then I do apologize. :(

As for brining up this topic, I'm glad you did. I think it's something that others would be interested in discussing - perhaps you could even start a separate thread so we can discuss just this angle? There is already another thread where some of us are discussing the (possible) predictions of Nostradomus (sp?) and others relating to current events.

I hope this post has clarified things. If not, please do not hesitate to PM me!! :)

BB,

Wyrdsister

Illuminatus

September 13th, 2001, 10:25 AM

These people were interested in one number and one number only - the death count. The planes, their flight numbers, their seat numbers, their rental car licence plates... just the most convieniant choices, same as you and I make. The only 'special' number was probably the date.

Dria El

September 13th, 2001, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by LivinInReality
I know there is a clue in here somewhere, and as much as I am racking my brain I cant find it although I feel like it is right there. Here is what I have found, please let me know if anyone has any opinions or advice.

4 planes
4 hits
ad the flight numbers (except 11) you get 11,12,13,14 ad those and you get 14
266 on the planes, ad that 14
Ad the date, 9-11-2001 14
3-6 hijackers per plane, I am guessing there were 14 total (my gut feeling only)

Anyone have anything to ad? Any advice? I know there is something in there, just cant figure out what. Please, if you have any ideas post them.

Well, actually, it was 3 hits. The fourth plane didn't make it to its intended target. And from what I keep hearing, one of the 3 wasn't technically a hit either.

Just a thought...

MammaStar

September 13th, 2001, 11:55 AM

Well, it was an even more horrid day here than the day before. My boyfriend's sis-in-law found out that one of her cousins was aboard United 93. She left a message on for her husband on their machine. we've been a mess, i still have the feeling of helplessness. I can't even concentrate long enough to foucs my thoughts or any energy. We sat outside and had candles lit with the rest of the neighborhood, but all i can do is cry. Cry and get angry.

Yet, I am grateful. Very grateful, that many of my friends who were down there are alive and safe. Grateful that i've heard from so many of my family, friends and business associates from all over the country and world. Grateful to you all that in the chat room tues. evening you put up with all my babbling.

I know my family and I will get through this. I know my town, state & country will get through it. but for now.....for now i will just tell my family i love them and hug my son a billion times.

Love & Light,

Starlite

Autumn Gemini

September 13th, 2001, 12:08 PM

(((((((((((Starlite))))))))))) I understand the feeling. Its left me feeling sick. My 6 month old has refused to sleep anywhere but with mommy and daddy. :sick:

Dextra

September 13th, 2001, 01:09 PM

I've been trying not to worry too much since all this has happened. I have a friend who worked in the second tower of the WTC (I'm not sure which floor). I worked 3 blocks away when I lived in NY. This has been the first time since this has happened that I have turned away from CNN, because I keep hoping that I'll see her come out, one way or another. No one has heard from her or her husband since before this happened. I think Saturday was the last time someone spoke to her.
I saw those buildings come down and it was like someone cut out my own heart, like someone took family away from me. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I think New York will always be home to me, and I'm angry that someone invaded my home and killed our families and friends. My first instinct was to get in the car and head to NY, but what was I going to do once I got there? Wander around to all the hospitals like hundreds of others, trying to find some glimmer of hope? All I figure I can do now is try to comfort anyone I can and keep vigil for my friends.

Danustouch

September 13th, 2001, 02:03 PM

I will add a prayer for your friends, dextra. I really hope that they are ok.

MammaStar

September 13th, 2001, 02:47 PM

Okay, I've had some brighter news.

They pulled out 5 firefighters a little bit ago, ALL ALIVE!!!! So, Dextra, hang on to that hope. There are still chances people will be found, alive.

when i got back here to work, i finally got an email from my friend who was thought missing! He's just been so busy, helping out, that he hadn't had a chance to get back to anyone. Plus, his family is not one for sharing information. But I digress....

After feeling like a helpless fool, I had the radio on in the car, and one of the stations said the Home Depot will be taking donations tommorow for the Rescue workers, so i came back to work and put a notice up to send stuff in and I will drop it off tomm.

Doing this makes me feel better. Now, that I heard from my friend, I think I can concentrate a little better and help those who aren't as fortunate as I, like my co-worker and people in my neighborhood.

Everyone, if you want to, check with your local Home Depot and see if they are doing anything, espeically if you live near or in NY.

Blessings!

tempest69

September 13th, 2001, 02:50 PM

I feel for those that had family in the buildings when all this madness occured.

loopy

September 13th, 2001, 02:50 PM

Starlite-- so glad to hear your friend's ok. :)

Celtic_Angel

September 13th, 2001, 02:53 PM

*hugs* My prayers are with you and your friend Dextra.

SpiDer_AnGeL

September 13th, 2001, 07:26 PM

notice that all this happened on 9-11??? That is sorta weird........I haven't really heard anything new since it happened but today my teacher was telling us how some of the identys of the ppl who did this were stolen from citizens,or something like that maybe i have it all wrong...

SpikesPet5150

September 13th, 2001, 07:52 PM

Yeah, I posted something about that on page 13. Odd.
~Bree

SimplyStrange

September 13th, 2001, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by SpiDer_AnGeL
[Did anyone] notice that all this happened on 9-11??? That is sorta weird....

Actually, 9-11 was the anniversary of the Camp David Accords (sp?)

MammaStar

September 13th, 2001, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by SimplyStrange

Actually, 9-11 was the anniversary of the Camp David Accords (sp?)

Yes it was, just one of the theory's why the plane that crashed in PA was headed toward Camp David. Has anyone heard anything new with the black box? It will probably take a few days to translate all the information, i guess. :confused:

Tigerwallah

September 13th, 2001, 09:28 PM

5 men dressed as airline pilots where arrested at Laguardia. This is not over.

I have heard that Osama Bin Laden is being financially backed by several nations. This will be World War III. Want freaky, anyone remember what Nostradamos predicted about the "great twin brothers in the new world city of "York"?

Tigerwallah

September 13th, 2001, 09:29 PM

enlisted the allegance of China today in a formal treaty.

Earth Walker

September 13th, 2001, 09:37 PM

On that date in 1922, the British mandate was proclaimed in
Palestine, leading to the creation of Israel.

September is the cruellest month for Palestinians.
Black September.
No one had to immediately claim responsibility for the bloody
terrorist strikes in the U.S. today -- the date gave it away as
far as most analysts were concerned.
As much as Dec. 7 is a date that lives in infamy in the collective
U.S. psyche, so Sept. 11 burns in the memory of militant
Palestinians.
On Sept. 11, 1922, the British mandate was proclaimed in
Palestine -- the product of promises made by the beleaguered
British Government during the First World War.
Named after Scotsman Arthur James Balfour -- Earl of Balfour
and Conservative British prime minister from 1902 to 1905, the
Balfour Declaration was made in 1917 and has long been blamed
as the root cause of the ensuing Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
In a letter to Lord Rothschild intended to solicit Zionist support
for the war effort, Balfour stated:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment
in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will
use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this
object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done
which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-
Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status
enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
At the time, British forces were fighting to win Palestine from the
Ottoman Empire with a view to controlling the Suez Canal and
trade between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.
For Jews, the Balfour Declaration became the first official political
recognition of their right to a national homeland in Palestine.
Arab leaders said the declaration meant a Jewish Homeland
could only be established with their agreement.
When the dispute degenerated into a guerrilla war, Britain with-
drew in 1948 and the independent nation of Israel was created
in the teeth of Arab opposition.
Ever since, displaced Palestinians have been struggling for
redress -- and September has been the month of significance.
On Sept. 6, 1970, Palestinian guerrillas hijacked three aircraft --
a fourth attempt failed -- and took three of them to a remote
desert airstrip in Jordan, Dawson's Field.
The incident would become known as "Black September."
Although they won the release of hostages via behind-the-
scenes negotiations with the U.K. and other governments, the
members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
blew up the planes on Sept. 12.
Ironically, it was in september 1993 after meetings in Camp
David that Yasser Arafat stood on the White House lawn and
engaged in the Great Handshake with Israeli Prime Minister
Yitzhak Rabin.
For optimists, the photo-opportunity signalled the beginning of
the end of Israeli-Palestinian hostilities. They were wrong.
On Thursday, Arafat was set to unilaterally declare the
Palestinian state they hoped to achieve through the now-failed
Oslo accords.
September is the cruellest month.

Summer Solstice

September 13th, 2001, 11:01 PM

Well this is SAD. I work at Verizon in Boston . We have our systems running today and they offer us overtime to close out all the accounts for New York.....as we look down and see the addresses we all (males & females ) begin to weep...World Trade Center ,Manhattan ....The usual jovial & wize cracking crowd is in a sullen silence of occasional sniffles as we do our sad job.
At the end of the evening there was not kleenex in the office to be found . At 9 pm all us remaining workers went outside across the street to a nice park did our own small vigil ,we lit a few candles & everyone said a prayer of their liking for all the victims.
Then we cried all the way to the train station..
Tomorrow we are all going to Mass General Hospital to give blood .
I pray this passes & more good people come out of this tragedy.

Twilight Garden

September 14th, 2001, 12:20 AM

Has anyone else heard that Taliban enlisted China in a formal treaty? Where did you hear it?

Frightened!

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 12:24 AM

Yes but has anyone got a link or something so I can read it?

Shy Hawk

September 14th, 2001, 12:30 AM

I thought I had heard that GWB had talked to China and that they "had an understanding"?......China would be sort of a deadly enemy, considering their numbers....because supposedly we want to launch both air, sea, and land. On land a large group like China would certainly hurt us....but not to get ahead of myself..
I thought i had heard that they were "on our side".
No?

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 12:31 AM

Yeah I shared links in another thread that didn't have anything about China except that they had offered condolences and offered U.S. support in that terrorism cannot be tolerated.

I also just heard on CTV that an arrest has been made.

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 12:45 AM

Incidentally, I just heard on CTV that about 8 people were arrested after being caught with plane tickets, false IDs, and knives.....

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/america.attack/

Earth Walker

September 14th, 2001, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by LunarMist
Has anyone else heard that Taliban enlisted China in a formal treaty? Where did you hear it?

Frightened!

So far, this is the only link I could find concerning a treaty with
Afghanistan-China:

http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/4296.html

Treaty of November 22, 1963

If there is a new treaty between China-Afghanistan, it most
likely hasn't been posted on the 'Net this soon.

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 01:12 AM

Hm that's strange, you think it'd be at least mentioned on some news sites by now?

Thanks for looking, I'm gonna keep hunting too!

Twilight Garden

September 14th, 2001, 01:38 AM

Thank you for looking. That agreement was for the Kingdom of Afg..., which is dead now. I really hope there is no new treaty. That will be baaaaaaaad.

Swanspirit

September 14th, 2001, 01:53 AM

not give into fear and panic ....... we dont know that this will be anything more than the apprehension of the worst criminals in the world ........ I dont see why China would make a treaty with Afghanistan after talking to President Bush and condemning the terrorism ............
Love and Patience
HUGS
Swannie

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Swanspirit
not give into fear and panic

My sentiments exactly.

Twilight Garden

September 14th, 2001, 02:03 AM

"I dont see why China would make a treaty with Afghanistan after talking to President Bush and condemning the terrorism"-Swanspirit

Very true!

Twilight Garden

September 14th, 2001, 02:06 AM

Thanks for keeping me grounded.:)

Tigerwallah

September 14th, 2001, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by LunarMist
"I dont see why China would make a treaty with Afghanistan after talking to President Bush and condemning the terrorism"-Swanspirit

Very true!

Heard it on MSNBC

Tigerwallah

September 14th, 2001, 08:23 AM

they reported on it before getting confirmation. I can't find it now.

Swanspirit

September 14th, 2001, 10:33 AM

because evidently a lot of things are being reported before they are validated , which is not a good thing ...... we need reliable information to make decisions....... and not knowing whether something is true or not just adds to the confusion, for me anyway .......
Most of the information about the people detained yesterday at the New York Airports was not true ............ sheeesh
and I think a treaty like that would have warranted more attention on the news as well .........
HUGS everybody really tightly AGAIN !!
Swannie

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 10:36 AM

I heard that about people detained too... and that it was false information or they were innocent... yet I can point out on CNN where it says that 8 people were caught with false IDs and trying to get through, including one who was carrying a false pilot's license. I've also heard that some officials tested one airport by trying to get through holding I believe some sort of utility knife and another one with a corkscrew... and they got through!!! (also shown on CNN)....

Illuminatus

September 14th, 2001, 11:47 AM

It's the best thing that could have happened.

Instead of hating Americans, they will have a bunch of Chinese coming into their country. There would be a brief conflict with NATO, but when the dust settled, they would end up hating their new Chinese oppressors more than their distant Western ones. Remember, the Taliban is EXTREMELY intolerant of foreign cultures of ANY sort! They already make their own native hindus wear those armband thingys, and they would most likely not abide by the concessions necessary to maintain good relations with their non-muslim allies.

Myst

September 14th, 2001, 11:52 AM

They aren't.

According to Fox News' coverage of today's "America Unites" presentations, "China and Russia are ready to fight against terrorism".

Illuminatus

September 14th, 2001, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Willow Raven
They aren't.

According to Fox News' coverage of today's "America Unites" presentations, "China and Russia are ready to fight against terrorism".

I didn't think so, but the possibility was always there. Anyway, China would ally with ANYONE if they could get a legitimate excuse to annex Taiwan. That is probably the biggest issue with the Chinese people to date.

Earth Walker

September 15th, 2001, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Tigerwallah

Heard it on MSNBC

China has developed increasingly close ties with the Taliban and,
according to news reports, recently signed a memorandum of
understanding for more economic and technical cooperation.

The memorandum is the most substantial part of a series of
Chinese contacts with Afghanistan over the last two years.
China now has the closest relationship with the isolated Kabul
regime of any non-muslim country, a senior western diplomat
said.

China has helped form the Shanghai Cooperation Organization,
which joins it with Russia and four Central Asian countries in a
loose grouping. One of its main purposes is to combat cross-border terrorism, specifically from Afghanistan.

But at the same time, China has dealt with the Taliban as part of
an effort to persuade its officials to close Afghan-based camps
that are used to train muslim separatists from China's restive
Xinjiang region. Those separatists on occasion re-enter China
and launch attacks on China's security services or civilian targets.

Asian diplomats say that China, as part of a sweetener to secure
cooperation from the Taliban leadership, has dangled the prospect of providing Afghanistan with much-needed infrastructure and economic development assistance. The new
agreement was reported Tuesday.
A Chinese delegation signed the deal in Kabul with the Taliban's
mining minister, Mulla Muhammad Ishaq, news reports said.

cydira

September 15th, 2001, 02:34 PM

The recent tragedy has touched all of us. I, like many of you, am praying for peace and for justice. I also find myself struck by a clear thought, if justice demands war are we willing to pay it's horrible price? This has been a question that has plauged me for the last few days and it is but one of the fears that leaves me wide awake in the dead of the night.

I had the good fortune not to lose any one of my kith and kin on tuesday. My roomate, however, has lost two dear friends. My classmates have lost friends and family. The college has lost many alumnae, many members of the family that is known as the College of Notre Dame of Maryland. Many people are demanding war, but I suspect it is for vengance sake. Our pain, as a nation, blinds us to the peril around us right now.

Our peace has been a fragile and tenious thing. I understand that. But just because some monstrous group decided to take a crack at destroying it, does that mean we should abandon our efforts to preserve it. All life is sacred to me, it was a tragedy and I will have nightmares for a long time of watching those buildings collapse. Yes, a part of my heart wants revenge, it wants to wound the people responcible as deeply as we have been.

But that desire for revenge runs counter to my values. All life is sacred to me. I may lay down my life for justice, but I will not sacrifice the lives of others for the dead. They would not want it. I guess that's all I wanted to say on this. May the Lady and Lord hold you close to their heart and protect you and your kin always.

Amora

September 15th, 2001, 03:01 PM

The bottom line is war was declared upon us... If we do not defend ourselfs the lives lost Tuesday will be only the beginning of our lives in FEAR. I will not live like that. Our nation is strong...it will not live like that. If we do not fight back you might as well give up now.

I can't stand this talk of no war. This IS war. We did not ask for it nor start it but WE MUST FINISH IT in order to keep our freedom. As Bush said we have been vaccinated against the deaths of Americans now....

Myst

September 15th, 2001, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Mystique
China has helped form the Shanghai Cooperation Organization,
which joins it with Russia and four Central Asian countries in a
loose grouping. One of its main purposes is to combat cross-border terrorism, specifically from Afghanistan.

Uh, did you read that part about combatting cross border terrorism specifically from Afghanistan?
...
Here's an article about how China has said that they have expressed condolences and condemned the acts of terrorism, but that they won't get involved in retaliation - http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/09/11/china.us.reax/index.html . Here's another one wherein China's President offers "all necessary assistance" in rescue work, and says he wants to help "Washington and other governments against terrorism" - http://www.msnbc.com/news/628815.asp?0dm=C359N .

Tigerwallah

September 15th, 2001, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Willow Raven

Uh, did you read that part about combatting cross border terrorism specifically from Afghanistan?
...

Willow, I was just watching a report on the Taliban and Afganastan. Apparantly, the Taliban, although the rulers of Afganastan, are not supported by the whole country. They are systematically executing anyone who challenges them for the seat of gov't. However, there are several groups within Afganastan, and just because China may have allied itself with the Taliban, in no way means that they are not in fear of terrorist attack by another group within Afganastan.

In fact, one of those rebel groups has given us permission to set up defense headquaters in their region, near the Chinese border.

Remember, China doesn't like us very much. That certainly was established this past winter. Many countries who may have given aid to bin Laden have spoken out against the attack, but they may have had ulterior motives.

Swanspirit

September 15th, 2001, 08:47 PM

The College of Notre Dame of Maryland has lost alumnae?? My sister is a graduate of that college,chronically ill though she is...... many of her fellow alumnae are family friends ........
PM me Cydira ?? I am on the Eastern Shore but I used to live within bicycle distance of good old CONDOM............
I do not fear that a World War will occur on the scale that involves superpowers as enemies. I think part of the restraint that the superpowers display is because of the knowledge of the extent of destruction that could occur... and the smallers countries dont know that the experience of having huge countries to run tempers the responses.
I know a lot of people are recommending restraint, economic sanctions....and or sneak attacks in the night..... etc etc......these are unrealistic I think......as alternatives to engaging in a war similar to the Gulf.
I think that those considerations ... well intentioned , dont take the time factor into account.
If we allow these monsters more time..... they may carry out another debacle. Economic restrictions could take months..... and these people have resources stockpiled. "Sneak attacks" ..... why endanger our soldiers in what would be tantamount to another suicide mission, when we can do what we can to protect them as well?? That kind of "commando raid" ....while it might look good in the movies... is not feasible in the Afghan Mountains ...... and also might require more time than is safe to allow......and I think we have lost any element of "surprise" that couls have assisted us.
The kind of waiting and planning that went into the terrorist attack plainly shows that they will not stop and may have other actions planned as well . They started a war......we have been in an undeclared war since it began.
I think we have no choice but to defend ourselves, swiftly, and with only the restraint needed to protect what further innocent life we can , Goddess help us.
Love and Light
Swannie

BlackDragon

September 15th, 2001, 09:20 PM

As a Canadian, this doesn't directly affect me.

To say the truth, I didn't think much of the planes when I first heard it in my math class Tuesday morning. I was totally, Yeah right, You're full of it. I then watched the news, for hours on end, before band, after band, the next morning, watching over and over the horrid film strips of the planes hitting the towers. Over and over, as a captivated as a deer is by headlights, but I kept thinking, this is crazy, there is no way that this is happening.

My one friend keeps blaming the states for this. She says that the US should have been more careful in the other wars, that the US didn't have to drop that second bomb. I, on the other hand, think in a neutral fashion. The US has been in other minor wars, not like world wars, and has come out okay. I know that the US can take care of itself, and should the need for help arise, they'll get more than they need.

I appologize, for taking this so lightly before. It was wrong, and now feel scarred because of the film strips, because of reading your shock and terror. You are more than American citizens, You are family. I also appologize for not being able to donate my blood. I'd donate my body if I didn't have so many people here to take care of. I am sceduled to donate in October, and I plan to donate as often as I can.

My best wishes, prayers, and heart goes out to you America.

Wyrdsister

September 15th, 2001, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by BlackDragon
As a Canadian, this doesn't directly affect me. I think with the rest of your post you proved it does affect you, if not "directly." :ugh: This is what I'm finding so scary -- it is impossible for the US to be at war (as Bush did proclaim today :blushake: ) without so many other nations being affected. Actually, it's impossible for anyone to be at war without other nations being affected! :wah:

Wyrdsister
peacenik forever

SpikesPet5150

September 15th, 2001, 10:50 PM

Swannie,
I completely agree with you. I don't want to just sit back and wait and see what they'll do next. And it's not as if the armed forces aren't willing to go and fight. There was an outbreak of people signing up for the different military braches. I'm not really sure if people from other countries can understand Americans (and this is just my stupid brain thinking stupid stuff.. don't mind me). Of all the people I know in other countries, none of them are as patriotic as Americans. This is our home. They attacked our home, they attacked our freedom, and they attacked our friends and our family. We, as a country, are not just going to sit back and take it.

Last night, one of the radio stations asked everyone in town, if they could, to gather together, at any place possible, bring candles and just be proud to be living in this great country. It was amazing. My friend Jami and I brought cookies, some other guy brought soda for everyone (has to have costed a fortune!!), people brought extra candles and sparklers and flags... and we were all perfect strangers before this. There were tons of kids yelling out to the cars, "Honk if you love America!!" It was the sweetest thing in the world. It's amazing to see us, as a country, coming together, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex, or age. One of the guys had his stereo system up, as loud as it would go, and a radio station was playing patriotic and uplifting music. They played We Are the World.. and when it started, all of us held hands and sang at the top of our lungs. It was the most beautiful moment of my life, standing shoulder to shoulder with people I didn't know, singing, dancing, and being proud. I am damn proud to be an American. I will do whatever I have to do to fight for my country.
God(s) Bless the USA!!!!
~Bree
:elf: