World Trade Center was predicted

[Traz Heart]

Here is the prediction that this would happen

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.


- Nostradamus 1654


This is true to the twin towers to me.
What do u think?
-Traz-

[Danustouch]

All that I can say...is ...WOW.

My only question...how is it the City of God?

[Kaylara]

This is really creepy. :(

Kaylara

[Myst]

This might be wayyyy off base but here's a thought - maybe the indication is that God in these times is Money and Power above Jehovah, and there goes a major Trade center... ? Just a thought, I have no idea.

[Myst]

Incidentally, I'm going to also echo the creepy part.

[Myst]

Either that or the city of God could refer to the fact that the U.S. is thought to be the most powerful country (ie. calling the whole country a city, calling power God)

[emraldshadowcat]

I also agree that's pretty creepy!! Do you really think that this could be the beginning of WW3?

[Swanspirit]

was one of the Worlds worst astrologers ........ he couldnt calculate a chart and when his contemporary astrologers pointed out how bad he was ..... he said he was "divinely inspired" ( he once calculated a chart with TWO suns and if you look up you will note that there is uhhhhh ) if he were alive today he would be a TV evangelist..........
he was a CATHOLIC ( of jewish ancestry only three generations removed) and really liked predicting the end of the world aka rapture and was totally into a FEAR and SHAME BASED system.......
most of his "fame" was fabricated after his death by his son......
check out this web site ........ http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/index.htm
and read about him ............
Love and Light
Swannie

[loopy]

I don't know, you never know. Maybe he didn't have the astrological knowledge in his day, but maybe he really was divinely inspired. *shrug* Either way, it's creepy.

[silvermoon]

:( :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: :ack:

......Spooky.......Creepy (echo).....Scary.......Sad


:sick: :mad: :confused: :wah: :wah:


silvermoon

[Traz Heart]

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
(A boom a big sound the planes crashing into the towers)

Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
(The towers fall)


while the fortress endures,
(the pentagon ends up surviving)

the great leader will succumb,
(Either bush succumbs and fights back or gets killed)
(or the usa falls apart Not really sure)

The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
(since NYC is The Biggest City and also called the City and it is burning that could be the sign)

- Nostradamus 1654


That is what i have just made of it

-Traz-

[Swanspirit]

can be interpreted to mean anything ......In the City of God there will be a great thunder,

A huge storm......
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures,
Atilla the Hun was supposedly responsible for the murder of his brother
the great leader will succumb, and then Attila died in his wedding night
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
and Rome burned much later ........ after how many wars??
and on and on...........
which is why people READ into his stuff ...... it is easy .....
HUGS
Swannie

[Myst]

I really hope this thread doesn't turn into an argument over whether Nostradamus knew what he was talking about or not. Frankly, I think I've seen enough conflict today, as I think have the rest of us... ;)

[Traz Heart]

True but this falls into the timeline of now in his prodictions.

-traz-

[loopy]

hear hear Willow.

[Swanspirit]

I am sorry to see anyone fostering MORE FEAR ........
and Nostradumbus fosters those fears ........... I just want people to know the facts about him...... he was a highly celebrated fraud ......... read the information .........please???????????????
HUGS
Swannie

[Amora]

Sylvia Browne predicted a catistrophic terrorist attack on NYC in early fall of 2001 by a man with a turbin...

[Raynewitch]

Fraud or no (and I chose to pick fraud...but now..) thats so creepy. Im praying for those poor people and their families.

And my thoughts are with you ALL no matter where you are in the USA.

Blessed Be

[Myst]

I understand that and so on Swan, but I don't think discussing whether he predicted this will make us more fearful. I mean, it already happened, whether he said it or not right :)

Just my thoughts, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do I promise. I'm gonna read some more about him now, thanks for the URL :)

[loopy]

Originally posted by Amora
Sylvia Browne predicted a catistrophic terrorist attack on NYC in early fall of 2001 by a man with a turbin...

Seriously?? That's so weird.

[Myst]

The bit about Sylvia - I'm going to see if I can find more info on that. Was it in a book, on tv, or online..? It strangely sounds familiar actually - maybe from a talk show like Montel or something? I'm not sure, but I'm interested.

[Qabalarina]

I"m fairly sure she did predict that on the Montel Williams show. THat's the only place I"ve ever seen her, and this sounds familiar.

[Swanspirit]

I think....... let me go looking too
Now Silvia is not a fraud............ not in the least ........
and I think she has other predictions not so dire as well ............
GODDESS I AM so depressed......the shock is wearing off and the sadness is so deep ......
HUGS
Swannie

[Amora]

It was on Montel that she predicted it because I remember being really freaked out when she said it...

[Myst]

Ah, Qabalarina and Amora, that's what I thought. I vaguely remember that and how I thought to myself "yeah right". I don't know, I'm sure she's a good lady and all, but you never really believe that kind of stuff 'till it actually happens, do you

[Spirahl]

Strange, I've probably watched but one episode of Montel all year... and that was the one...
Ya, Willow. I tend to brush those things off too. But now that it has happened... I'll listen to her predictions more carefully now.

[BlueWinter]

Here are her predictions for the next 100 years. It starts out good, but gets really grim towards the end.


Sylvia Browne : The Next 100 Years

http://www.sylvia.org/home/2000plus.cfm


~Tara

[Myst]

Yea I was looking at that earlier, there's a mention of war there but not really the conflict we've been looking at...

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
he was a CATHOLIC ( of jewish ancestry only three generations removed)

As if that's supposed to mean something?

[Mairwen]

This isn't the time or place to be petty, gang. Please, let's not argue, okay?:mad:

[Wyrdsister]

Originally posted by BlueWinter
Here are her predictions for the next 100 years. It starts out good, but gets really grim towards the end. Wait, that's a good thing, right? If the's predicting world events for the next 100 years, then the world will not be ending in the next few days or weeks, right?

Trying to invent a bright spot,

Wyrdsister

[IOLO]

...howabout the Nostradamus Quatrain about "Terrors from the sky..."???....a middleeasterner with a "blue turban"??

I don't know if it hit anyone else....but the symbolism of "The Tower" card ( Rider/Waite deck) just struck me with all of this......meditate on it a bit...

Pax...

IOLO

[Swanspirit]

right now ......
but it is appropriate...... just dont ask me to believe anything Nostradumbass predicted LOL, I have an aversion to fearmongers.....
How long have people been wearing turbans?? How many centuries is that ?? LOL

HUGS Your IOLONESS (and OT are you and your allright ???)
Swannie

[Margie]

I remember looking at Nostradamus's predictions during 1999 going into 2000 cause I thought he predicted the end of the world or something but all I found was that all of it was for the 3rd mellinium. Wouldn't that be around 3000 not 2000? Just wondering, I haven't looked it up in a few years. I could be wrong.

[Myst]

btw I did a reading sometime this morning, and it's posted in the Tarot forum. I pulled the Tower as well.... no surprise, huh?

[Mariposa De La Luna]

I think that Sylvia woman has a Christian slant to her predictions. I think that is the problem with predictions, they are really more geared to the person pronouncing them.

So what did Edgar Casey (sp?) have to say on this?

[Myst]

Cayce, I think? Not sure.

[Amora]

Originally posted by SAHM
I think that Sylvia woman has a Christian slant to her predictions. I think that is the problem with predictions, they are really more geared to the person pronouncing them.



How does one have a Christian slant in a prediction?

[Myst]

Uh she's Christian. She often talks about God and his Angels and so on...

[Myst]

Incidentally folks, if you check out the URL listed in Page 2 again for Sylvia's website she's updated it with her comments on what's happened yesterday and who's involved - if you reload you should see a popup with her comments.

[Emerald Sky]

JMHO, but I think the Nostradamus prediction is a bit of a stretch. All in all, what does it really matter? The tragedy happened. Period.

[Myst]

I see your point, but I think it was just brought up for the sake of discussion Emerald :)

btw, on the comment I made about Sylvia being Christian - that's what I thought I gathered from her appearances, to be sure.... but btw, see her site again for info, apparently she's started a "community" called "Gnostic Christians", http://www.sylvia.org/home/godtalk.cfm

[Amora]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Uh she's Christian. She often talks about God and his Angels and so on...

So does that make her predictions inaccurate?

[Myst]

I don't think anyone said they did, Amora. I believe what was said is that her predictions were "geared more to" her beliefs.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Traz Heart
Here is the prediction that this would happen

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.


- Nostradamus 1654


This is true to the twin towers to me.
What do u think?
-Traz-

Gee Traz, It would be amazing, if those things actually happened. Here is another Nostradamus quote for you to munch on:



Century 6, Quatrain 97

The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude,
Fire approaches the great new city [New York]
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Normans [French].


Of course, this leaves me with some questions:
- The Two Brothers, well couldn't that be Philly (the city of Brotherly love)?
- The Great Leader didn't succumb. Bill Gates is alive and well at last report.
- Who's waiting for the Normans? Heh I saw Norman Schwartskof on CNN last night but I don't think that's what Nostradamus was referring to...

- Ill

[Myst]

Ill : thanks for the laugh. Especially the stab at Gates.

[Danustouch]

I personally believe that ANYONE can be psychic. Even people with mental health problems. As a matter of fact, I think they are often some of the MOST psychic people. I also don't think that Psychic ability is something which exclusively pagans or people of magickal traditions have a corner on the market for. I'm aware that Nostradamus was often on substances when he made these predictions...but then...Native American Shamans, etc, use peyote. And I'm aware that much of what Nostradamus has written, was in allegory, and was difficult to understand. But...he didn't understand what he himself was seeing, either. Like the people who say that UFO's are mentioned in the bible, say. People interpreted the sighns and visions they had, in their OWN language of their OWN era. For that reason, I won't confirm, OR deny that Nostradamus did predict these events, or any others. I allow the possibility, that they were truly visions. Who knows??? Just because we do not understand them, doesn't mean they were not true. I don't follow much of Silvia Browns' predicitions, but I choose not to deny ANYONE has psychic abilities. One saying my husband is ever so fond of, which he was taught by Ramtha (the channelled being who figures prominantly in the American Gnostic Path) is.."What you deny in others, you deny in yourself.". If Nostradamus had visions, and believed them to be psychic, or if Silvia Brown Claims to have psychic visions. I will not deny them. Or else I deny the ability within myself. Everyone CAN have psychic ability. Everyone, I believe, DOES occasionally get psychic visions, at one point or another in their lives. Are they ALWAYS going to be "On"? Are they always going to be accurate, or interpretable? No...mine aren't always. So I don't hold others to the standards which I cannot hold myself.

As to Nostradamus being a fear monger...he lived in a fearful age. He is a representation of THAT time in Humanities history. So you have to take what he says, in that context. It doesn't invalidate that SOME of his predictions may have been true. It just means that perhaps not ALL of them were.

That's my opinion of this whole thing anyway. :)

[Amora]

I don't really like the tone in this thread right now. I thought we were having an open discussion about predictions, not arguments about who said what, whats right and whats wrong... I think I'll drop out here. People are still dead - fighting over whose predictions were accurate isn't cool to me now.

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Amora
So does that make her predictions inaccurate?

Does it matter? So, she's a Christian psychic. At least she realizes she has these gifts and uses them. That doesn't make her a bad person. And this is NOT something that we should be arguing about. That's really dumb.

[Danustouch]

I don't think anyone here was "arguing" about who is psychic or who is not. I think we were all sharing our opinions. Noone is getting nasty or anything. We're just sharing our thoughts. Discussing :)

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Danustouch
I don't think anyone here was "arguing" about who is psychic or who is not. I think we were all sharing our opinions. Noone is getting nasty or anything. We're just sharing our thoughts. Discussing :)

Sounded to me like it was being said that if you're Christian, you can't be psychic. Totally untrue, and silly to boot. Aside from that Ms Browne is a very well-known, very well-liked and trusted psychic. Either way, it's not nice to put someone down because they're "different" from "us". That's so high school.

Mari
who's 32 and sick of high school behavior patterns.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Danustouch
I personally believe that ANYONE can be psychic. Even people with mental health problems. As a matter of fact, I think they are often some of the MOST psychic people. I also don't think that Psychic ability is something which exclusively pagans or people of magickal traditions have a corner on the market for. I'm aware that Nostradamus was often on substances when he made these predictions...but then...Native American Shamans, etc, use peyote. And I'm aware that much of what Nostradamus has written, was in allegory, and was difficult to understand. But...he didn't understand what he himself was seeing, either. Like the people who say that UFO's are mentioned in the bible, say. People interpreted the sighns and visions they had, in their OWN language of their OWN era. For that reason, I won't confirm, OR deny that Nostradamus did predict these events, or any others. I allow the possibility, that they were truly visions. Who knows??? Just because we do not understand them, doesn't mean they were not true. I don't follow much of Silvia Browns' predicitions, but I choose not to deny ANYONE has psychic abilities. One saying my husband is ever so fond of, which he was taught by Ramtha (the channelled being who figures prominantly in the American Gnostic Path) is.."What you deny in others, you deny in yourself.". If Nostradamus had visions, and believed them to be psychic, or if Silvia Brown Claims to have psychic visions. I will not deny them. Or else I deny the ability within myself. Everyone CAN have psychic ability. Everyone, I believe, DOES occasionally get psychic visions, at one point or another in their lives. Are they ALWAYS going to be "On"? Are they always going to be accurate, or interpretable? No...mine aren't always. So I don't hold others to the standards which I cannot hold myself.

As to Nostradamus being a fear monger...he lived in a fearful age. He is a representation of THAT time in Humanities history. So you have to take what he says, in that context. It doesn't invalidate that SOME of his predictions may have been true. It just means that perhaps not ALL of them were.

That's my opinion of this whole thing anyway. :)

That's a good saying... "what you deny in others, you deny in yourself." Very true. I know you will understand me when I say that I readily and vehemently deny my own ability to have psychic visions.

As for the American Indians who entertained visions by smoking peyote, or the score of other early cultures who did similar things with different hallucinagenics... I don't put much credit into that sort of thing. The crackheads who take too much PCP still hit the ground no matter how much they believe they can fly.

And remember that Nostradomus lived in the 17th century. It's not like he's from 5000 BC, his context was NOT that different from our own. I could see a herdsman in ancient Kehmet describing yesterday's disaster in such broad and metaphoric terms... but Nostradomus lived in a world with plenty of big buildings, steel, glass and don't forget, birds. And he spoke a romance language, which his similar to English. More likely he would say "a great bird of fire demolished the brother towers of steel and glass..."

- Ill

[StormCloud]

Uh, just a question. Didn't Nostradamus die in the late 1500's. This prediction was dated 16...

I don't usually post possible hoaxes, cuz usually good discussions come out of it. But for this...thought you might be interested..

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

[Swanspirit]

Not only is there no argument here , we are developing a rather interesting conversation.
And I saw nowhere implied ;that if you were christian you could not be psychic , not at all.
The only reason I even mentioned that Nostradumbass was "catholic" was because that system carries the apocalyptic visions seen in johns version of the new testament, and they also have the "end of the world " theory about judgement and redemption. Now in my estimation that is a system if not wholly at least partially based on fear. It was pointed out to me very early in my parochial education that FEAR was not the BEST reason for (pardon the laughter ) "not sinning" but that it was certainly acceptable to "god" So that by being catholic old "nosi" would play on those fears in his predictions as he is known to have done .
I now know that the entire fear and shame and guilt based system is no longer acceptable to my current paradigm of living, and I have developed quite an aversion to the practice of playing on people's fears and vulnerabilities.
That is also what terrorists do , which is why I objected to taking nostradamus seriously in the first place, and I believe that anyone who knows the truth about him would have difficulty taking him seriously, as well. So my purpose in pointing that out about him was to help alleviate any escalation of fear.
Also New York is at 40 degrees of latitude not 45 , big difference on a map, and latitude extende the entire circle of the globe ... and I am sure Nostrasmartass would know he was picking a large area.........
Here are the NOSI FAQ's
http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/faq.html
I think mostly everyone in this thread is being sensitive to the raw feelings that are prevalent, and one of those feelings is fear.
I think sniping , being snippy or making inferences about peoples maturity , is off topic and doesnt contribute much in the way of alleviating the high feelings that are running among us ........but I can understand that peoples nerves are on edge , so lets not act on the fears or anxiety ?? We are better than that.
Being psychic is a universal gift, and I think each person so gifted sees things through their own prism of colors and spectrum of reality and spirituality ........ I had heard that Silvia Browne includes a GODDESS in her belief system, has anyone heard that ??

Love and light
Swannie

[Danustouch]

Okay Mairwen, as long as you don't think that that is what "I" meant. I actually have met several Christians with tremendous psychic ability. So I have no problem believing that Silvia may have these powers, as well, WHATEVER her religion is. I just simply haven't read much by her...so cannot confirm her abilities for myself :) But neither would I deny them.

Illuminatus....whether or not you personally take stock in peyote or other hallucinogen induced visions..MANY people do. I don't advocate use of hallicionogens, personally. But as for the Native American Shaman use of Peyote, It is fundamental to certain tribes' belief systems (the Native American Church,) For instance, So while I personally do not use hallucinogens in my practices, nor advise others to do so, I cannot completely rule out their effectiveness, nor can I say that their practices are innefective/immoral, or anything of that sort. I simply don't use them myself.

In regards to Nostradamus...he was in scary times, imo, because of the plague fears, disease, pestilence, lack of modern medical care, etc. I believe that that era in time, was very frightening for many people. Very unstable. Not that today isn't....but...that in todays day and age, often, we go through our life without the day to day worries of such issues..until, like yesterday, they strike home. These people, I believe, were confronted with it daily. Not to mention, Nostradamus' first wife and child died during the plague. This is surely enough to make ANYONE feel fearful, or insecure. Those are just my personal ideas on the subject. Oh..and the Catholic church at that time, was QUITE differen't than the modern Catholic Church. Some might argue that the Catholic Church still preaches fear. But certainly, they have come a long way from what they were during those times. There is an emphasis on finding "Joy" in their faith these days, no matter what their doctrines might be. Etc. That's my opinion, anyway.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by StormCloud
Uh, just a question. Didn't Nostradamus die in the late 1500's. This prediction was dated 16...

I don't usually post possible hoaxes, cuz usually good discussions come out of it. But for this...thought you might be interested..

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

Just goes to show you, some people will believe anything they're fed without seriously analyzing the source. Ahem. not pointing any fingers, TRAZZIE!!!!

hee hee

Mayday

[Autumn Gemini]

I've seen all over the discussion boards (here , AOL, etc) folks looking at different predictions. ON one board, everyone was convinced Revelations was coming to pass. Having studied several cultures and ancient history there are several times thru out mankind's exsistance that people saw the end of time. Maybe its the Goddess's way of saying we need to straighten out. If you look back thru history, many cultures swore they were in the last days. A good scare does wonders for some people. Just my two cents worth. I don't think I want to know for sure when the "end" is coming. On a lighter note, maybe I do......then I can go max out the credit cards and not feel guilty!

[Wyrdsister]

Okay, okay, perhaps we are all a little testy right now. Let's try and tread lightly, assuming the best intended meaning from each other's posts, not the worst. Asking for clarification is just fine; I think we might need to be extra-vigilant about not inserting an accusatory tone to our posts at this time.


Originally posted by Amora
I don't really like the tone in this thread right now. I thought we were having an open discussion about predictions, not arguments about who said what, whats right and whats wrong... I think I'll drop out here. People are still dead - fighting over whose predictions were accurate isn't cool to me now. :( :( Points well taken, Amora. Perhaps we should move this topic out of this thread, or have the thread renamed. I think everyone should be able to discuss what they want, but you're right -- the topic of conversation has become something completely other.

Q. for the mods: is it possible to rename a thread, or to split it off at some point? Just a thought...

Wyrdsister

[Mairwen]

Yes to both questions.

[Lilu]

Just catching up with all the threads and things now... been offline for like... 5 days or something LOL

I found the discussion on predictions rather interesting, and while I haven't read much on Sylvia Browne before, I did check out that predictions page - I find it interesting that she mentions healing with sound waves - something hubby has talked about sound as a technology we may have lost in the past as he has memories of these things - as do other people who "remember" Atlantis and sound wave healing from there. :)

My person opinion on predictions is that you can't rely on them too much. Sure they sound good or bad, but I believe the future is constantly changing. Each choice we make will set us down a new path, and there are literally millions of "futures" out there, we just have to choose which one to walk down. So predictions in my opinion are all well and good, but they are not written in stone, and we can all make a difference and change the future ourselves through our own actions. Predictions, just like using other systems of divination are just a window into a "possible future" not THE future. It's important to remember this.

BB
Lilu

[Swanspirit]

for some time, in the healing of kidney stones and eliminates the need for surgery in tha awful disease .....and other ailments , "ultrasound" is used for imaging and thus aids in the healing process, so the sound "waves" for healing are with us
and have been for some time. They aer using the sound therapy on cancer tumors , for healing fetuses ..... for relaxation ....... its application is widespread ....... and new uses found ever day ....... amkes you wonder who brought that technology with them and from where :> this technology has been with us for a while
It is wonderful...... I am glad that some of Silvia's predictions are already in progress ,I am surely tired of people predicting war , it is such a horrible mindset ..............
Love and light
Swannie :sunny: :sunny:

[Myst]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
for some time, in the healing of kidney stones and eliminates the need for surgery in tha awful disease .....

Yup, says the chronic sufferer of kidney stones :)

[Swanspirit]

WILLOW ((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))
I AM SO GLAD YOU can have this therapy......... and so sorry you have to deal with this ................ HUGS AGAIN
Swannie

[EasternPriest]

Originally posted by Willow Raven


Yup, says the chronic sufferer of kidney stones :)

now, who ya gonna call?? stonebusters!!!!!!!

[Myst]

Originally posted by EasternPriest


now, who ya gonna call?? stonebusters!!!!!!!

Now I have that music in my head :rolleyes:

[RavenSunshine]

I heard this on the radio and then someone called and said that it is an urban legend. There is a wed site that you can check these things out but I did not catch it though.

Maybe someone knows it?

[Myst]

There are several sites for urban legends, such as http://www.urbanlegends.com/

and incidentally it has the Nostradamus prediction on it at
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/nostradamus.html

Also funny to note that this prediction was supposedly made in 1654, meanwhile Nostradamus died in 1566 :)

[Illuminatus]

The WTC bombing WAS predicted! But NOT by a 16th century madman!

Look at this CD case, by a rap group called The Coup:

rotten.com/news/articles/coup-cover-300.jpg

Creepy!!!!

- Ill

[Myst]

That's what you get for listening to rap.

[Swanspirit]

some people have no hearts and no minds either for that matter.......
Swan

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
some people have no hearts and no minds either for that matter.......
Swan

That picture is from the October issue of Wired, which came out a few days ago. The CD was put out about a week or two ago, before the bombing.

[Wyrdsister]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
That picture is from the October issue of Wired, which came out a few days ago. The CD was put out about a week or two ago, before the bombing. That's just too freaky... I bet they're regretting their timing on that CD release.

Wyrdsister

[Illyandra]

In the year of the new century and nine months
From the sky will come a great king of Terror
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees
Fire approaches the new city.

Reuters response to this text is that NY lies BELOW 41 degrees latitude and that there is NO mention of war in the section six, quatrain 97 text of Century, which has been the second part of the text sent in these emails:


In the city of york there will be a great collapse
Two twin brothers torn apart by chaos
While the fortress falls the great leader wil succumb
Third big war will begin when the big city is burning.

See www.nostradamus-repository.org for the position of this study site.

While I don't pass on mass emails that constantly find their way into my in box...I usually do try to see if they are posted on any of the hoax and urban legend listings and send the information back to the originator if I find the email listed. The emails and postings of the last verse is considered to be another mass hysteria producered hoax passed along quickly before people have checked to see if Nostradamus's book really has text that correspondes to the second part.

That's what was posted on AOL today, not that I believe everything they post is absolute truth either, lol. None of it is my opinion and to be honest, I don't study Nostradamus's writings so I really have no opinion one way or the other on the validity of any of his predictions. I have heard (or rather read) some very interesting information that has been posted on this thread and I actually am interested in looking into it, just so I can form my own opinion.

[Tigerwallah]

in the 80's, during the Reagan years, there was a special on Nostradamus on HBO. It terrified me because it did indeed predict that New York City would be destroyed. There was more to the verbage than the quote posted. It was one of the last projects that Orson Wells narrated. Anyway, the speculation, then, was that the great brothers were the twin towers. It was at a time when nuclear war with the USSR was on everyone's mind, so it was supposed that the fire in the sky was a guided nuclear missle.

Nostradamus is running at about an 80% accuracy rate. Some of his most amazing predictions were about Hitler, who he called "Histler" which was the original family spelling, as the second anti-christ, and Napoleon, the first. He also predicted much about American Presidents including JFK's assasination. All with stunning accuracy.

I didn't remember dates, but I did remember thinking that I would be in my early thirties when all of this started to happen. It seemed like such a long time away. Well, I'm 33 now, and I still remember the special pretty well.