Destiny Power

[xtingcion]

HI FRIENDS! :fpeace:

I've just had my chart done and some friend of mine has told me that my destiny is ruled by two or three bad apects that involve: Neptune, the Sun, Mercury, the North Node and my Ascendant.

As I don't know much about Astrology, and my face was going :jawdrop: , I thought I could ask you.. :chattin: So I'm leaving you the info (of the planets in bad aspect):

North Node in 12th house in Gemini
Gemini Rising at 23º05
SUN at 26º24 Virgo (4th house)
Mercury at 18º19 Virgo (4th house) RETROGRADE
NEPTUNE in 7th house at 26º30 Sagittarius

I don't know if I'm missing smthing.. if so, I'd be glad to post it :thumbsup:

:colorful:

[Fluffmeister]

¡Hola, Xtingcion - Encantat de conèixe'r-te!

I shouldn't worry about one set of aspects - you need to look at the chart as a whole. I'm assuming you were born in Ibiza, at a time of 00:10 on 20 September 1983? If so, your chart is attached below.

Now - the "bad aspect" your friend referred to is what we call a "T-square". Neptune is the planet at 26 Sag that looks like a three-pronged trident, and it's opposite the North Node (the symbol that looks like a pair of headphones on your Ascendant). When two planets are in opposition, it *can* mean that they're working against each other, or it can mean that they're complementing each other. The Node isn't really a planet - and in fact, there are two Nodes anyway, a "North Node" and a "South Node". In your case, Neptune is on your South Node (the South Node isn't shown on the chart, but it's always exactly opposite the North Node) - so the dreamy, intuitive, Neptunian way of thinking is part of your make-up. Now, the Sun and Mercury are at right angles to this at the bottom of your chart. So what this means, is that that picky, analytical Virgo Sun has a fine eye for detail; whereas dreamy, vague Neptune is sitting on your "Descendant" (that's a point opposite the Ascendant, and is to do with relationships). So guess what? Dreamy, idealistic and sometimes UNrealistic Neptune may mean that your normally clear, analytical, sensible Virgo doesn't get a look in when you're in a relationship. Do you "lose your head" when your apparent "ideal partner" comes along? And does your "sensible" Virgo Sun and Mercury criticise you if it all goes wrong and doesn't work out, saying "how could have been so stupid??". That's how that T-square can manifest. It can also mean that you're deceived by other people - not necessarily in love, but in, say, business partnerships. Incidentally, Neptune does like to "dissolve" things, and Neptunian people can have a sense of being immersed in the Universe as a whole rather than having a sense of their own identity - "xtingcion" seems a highly apt username for a Neptunian person :D

However, it's not all bad news. As Gemini rising, Mercury is your ruling planet, *and* the ruler of your Sun sign. And Mercury is in Virgo - the sign that Mercury rules! So even though he's retrograde, you have a strong Mercury, and are probably a powerful communicator. And that Neptune isn't all bad, by any means. Neptune may be deceptive and the planet of illusions, but he's also the planet of dreams, idealism and intuition. He makes a lovely sextile (60 degree angle) to the Moon, enhancing that intuition and perhaps even making you psychic, and yet also makes a nice sextile to Saturn/Pluto, which helps to ground things. That Neptune also makes a trine to your Mars/Venus combination, giving you an inner confidence and optimism. So that Neptune is actually pretty good - use your imagination and follow your dreams, and Neptune will work FOR you rather than AGAINST you :)

[xtingcion]

HI Fluffmeister! (Or shall I call you Mestre!! :fpraise: )
Encantat de conèixer-te a tú també!!!

First of all, it was a big surprise to me the words in Catalan, where did you get 'em???

Second, I have to thank your reply which it's been very clear, surprisingly sharp and loads of helpful: THANXX A LOT!!! 8O

Specially, I found helpful the comment on NEPTUNE, which it seems to be the powerfullest planet in my chart and, as my friend has told me, also in my destiny ( 'cos it's the closest aspect to your sun and it's related to your Midheaven..- he said).

The only thing I've missed is a comment on my RETROGRADE ruling planet (Mercury) and smthing related to my North Node, which is in bad aspect with Mercury and near the ASC.

Well, THANX AGAIN FOR YOUR REPLY!!! :thumbsup:
and HOPE TO HEARING FROM YOU SOON.. :rotfl:

[Fluffmeister]

HI Fluffmeister! (Or shall I call you Mestre!! :fpraise: )
Encantat de conèixer-te a tú també!!!

First of all, it was a big surprise to me the words in Catalan, where did you get 'em???

I've been to Barcelona a couple of times - but I cheated, and looked it up on a Catalan web site :)



Second, I have to thank your reply which it's been very clear, surprisingly sharp and loads of helpful: THANXX A LOT!!! 8O

Specially, I found helpful the comment on NEPTUNE, which it seems to be the powerfullest planet in my chart and, as my friend has told me, also in my destiny ( 'cos it's the closest aspect to your sun and it's related to your Midheaven..- he said).

You're very welcome :)



The only thing I've missed is a comment on my RETROGRADE ruling planet (Mercury) and smthing related to my North Node, which is in bad aspect with Mercury and near the ASC.

It's a good question, but you know what? I can't really get a handle on retrograde Mercury. I've got a retrograde Mercury myself (in Pisces, where he's also in fall and detriment), and yet I communicate OK, my spelling is good and I've done lots of teaching/training in my job. I *am* left-handed, though, so maybe it indicates a different or unusual way of doing things? I think my Mercury has served me quite well, and as yours is in rulership in Virgo, I'm sure he's serving you well, too - even if he is retrograde!

[xtingcion]

HI Fluffy!! IT'S ME AGAIN!! :fpeek:

U Know What?? I have truly difficulties when I have to explain smthing to people (and I think it's a big problem 'cos I wanted to be a teacher..). Considering this (and my chart), my friend has told me better to get a different job linked to the Piscean power(like Arts or Charity). He really thinks I could do that, but he admitts I would be betraying my essence (Virgo), my destiny (to get a personal sense of identity and direction (due to my North node on the ASC and my natal Sun on 4th house)) and that, in the process, I will suffer a lot (because of my Saturn in trine with my Moon).. Is it that way???

THANKS AGAIN FOR UR REPLY!! :thumbsup:
HOPE TO HEAR FROM U SOON..

[Fluffmeister]

Hi, Xtingcion!

I don't think Saturn *trine* Moon is a problem - Saturn *square* Moon, maybe - but you've got a very Neptunian/Piscean chart with that Pisces Moon and prominent Neptune. Now that's great - but the problem with Pisces/Neptune (I have Pisces Sun) people is we can be very vague and need to be brought "down to earth" a bit. Well - that Saturn trining your Moon does just that, and so does your Virgo Sun and Mercury.

T-squares *are* challenging, but they don't have to be a lifelong problem. If you can find something that integrates that intuitive Neptunian stuff with your analytical Sun and Mercury, you won't be betraying your Virgo, but fulfilling it!

[xtingcion]

That sounds very hopeful!! :bouncybob (and quite diferent from my friends words..)

What does Saturn in Scorpio represents?? I heard Scorpio was a very dangerous sign..

HOPE NOT BEING TOO ANNOYING.. :flamer: :gagged:

[Fluffmeister]

That sounds very hopeful!! :bouncybob (and quite diferent from my friends words..)

What does Saturn in Scorpio represents?? I heard Scorpio was a very dangerous sign..

HOPE NOT BEING TOO ANNOYING.. :flamer: :gagged:
Scorpio is a very intense sign - all signs have their positive and negative qualities. Yes, Scorpio can be obsessive, but also very transforming. Saturn in Scorpio likes to dig deep; I actually think Scorpio and Virgo work well together - Virgo gives analytical precision to detail, and Scorpio gives depth and intensity.

Saturn can be restrictive, but also hard working, so I'd be interested to hear how Saturn in Scorpio feels for *you* - and anyone else with this placement. Is it being obsessive about work? Is it a determination to "get to the bottom of something"? I think it would be a good placement for a detective :)

[xtingcion]

Hey!! That's been very catarchic!!! :floating:

See: while I was writing a reply for ur question, I've realised about the bad things that had happened to me and makes me wanna do smthing for others in a big and strong way

The thing is I'm not sure I would accomplish this purpose (not even if that's my destiny...). Look: IF i have to reassure my personality all the time and more and more I feel that I undertand less, how can I help the others (specially in that way).

What Do U Think?? Could it be possible I can achive to reassure my personality and then help the others?? Do U think it would take my pain away or That I must FOLLOW another path??? :confused:

[Fluffmeister]

Hey!! That's been very catarchic!!! :floating:

See: while I was writing a reply for ur question, I've realised about the bad things that had happened to me and makes me wanna do smthing for others in a big and strong way

The thing is I'm not sure I would accomplish this purpose (not even if that's my destiny...). Look: IF i have to reassure my personality all the time and more and more I feel that I undertand less, how can I help the others (specially in that way).

What Do U Think?? Could it be possible I can achive to reassure my personality and then help the others?? Do U think it would take my pain away or That I must FOLLOW another path??? :confused:
Neptune/Pisces can often get lost in the "bigger picture" - and has a tendency to be a martyr; helping others while forgetting to look after his/her own needs. However, sometimes helping others can be the key to helping yourself, provided you don't lose sight of your own needs.

At least that's the way I see it - and I think that last sentence applies to everyone, not just Neptunian people :)

[xtingcion]

At least that's the way I see it - and I think that last sentence applies to everyone, not just Neptunian people :)

That's totally right, and u can be sure I'll do smthing for it!! :uzi: (Perhaps not the big way I would love, but as much as destiny allows me (u can count on it!! :thumbsup )).

The thing is not to forget the message.. _tsk_ ..and to put the heart in.

A last question, related to Saturn, pain and growth..
According to my friend's words (once again), my Saturn, which seems to be in my Fifth house, leads me to deal with a lot of pain in my creations, but, as it's related to the moon and Tenth house, there's a way to free my creativity?? through my profession??.
Personally, I found it hard to achieve it, 'cos it seems as if I don't have any talents (though I'd like to have) and, in a deeper sense, I feel like I can't deal with people (specially with children..)* But my QUESTION IS: are this aspects indicating me a fight with a past
subject or could they been.. (My friend has arrived to the conclusion it could be that way, as, for him, there's a relation to the past (moon), pain (Saturn) and psiquic difficulties (Pluto)). What Do U Think?? Is my future profession and growth necessary related to past issues??

HOPING U STILL CAN HANDLE WITH THAT LAST QUESTION.. :needcoffe
AND TO HAVE TIME TO RELAX... :sleepybed

[Fluffmeister]

Well, I think Saturn usually gets a undeserved bad reputation! I happen to like my Saturn - OK, he's in Capricorn in my case, which he rules, but your Saturn is pretty well aspected - look at all those nice trines.

Your Saturn makes a nice trine to your North Node, and a sextile to your South Node, and a trine to your Moon - so I'd say this indicates you can work past your childhood issues and learn to let go. Trines show nice easy flows of energy - if you Saturn was *square* to your Moon, then yes - it would be more of a challenge.

I've got Saturn in the 5th, and so has an astrology colleague of mine. She translates Saturn in the 5th as "a restriction on fun"; in her case, she was born in the Netherlands just after the war, and times were hard. She had to work hard as a child, and didn't feel she had much fun.

In my case, I was a very "serious" child, always staying in and reading books and doing very geeky things while the other kids were outside kicking footballs around and climbing trees. I only had a birthday party once as a kid - and hated every minute of it! So from the outside, it did look as though I wasn't having fun - but actually, I was. I just used to (and still do) get my fun in very "Saturnian" ways - visiting libraries and museums, and so on.

So I think Saturn in the 5th can be very creative, but may look serious rather than playful. What sort of career are you looking at?

[xtingcion]

HI FLUFFY !!! :hailmol: AND
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL !!! :thewave:

Well, I'm still very confused about my career path, probably because I still get hard to a self-image [Remind my natal Sun in 4th and its square to Neptune's???].

On the other hand, I'm trying to get it by reading as much astrology as I can. In fact, I've been reading Liz Greene and Howard Sasportas' Luminaries: Psychology of the Sun and Moon in the Horoscope (Seminars in Psychological Astrology, Vol 3) which I've found very helpful, specially the Neptune aspects to the Luminaries, where they say that any person with a close aspect to his Sun has to develop his personality through Neptunian careers.. Also, there's a boy's case with the same aspect as mine (Sun square Neptune) which I would have found more helpful only if I could manage through transits, progressions, compositive charts and al this stuff.. _witchball

I really feel the need to get that image clear (though I don't feel very confidence to get it) but I think it could help me to raise me to another level .. to real action .. to demonstrate love .. compassion .. to really help other people .. never to be afraid of anything/one ..

Probably, the reason I could get along with my life is among these aspects or the ones' progressed in some point of my past (or the ones' progressed or not in relationship with some people .. ) I don't know what could it be, but now I hardly believe astrology could help me .. (though sometimes it appears to me too much complicated .. :whatmewor )

[Fluffmeister]

Happy New Year, Xtingcion!

It sounds like you're working hard on understanding that Sun/Neptune aspect - and it sounds very promising! Good luck :)