Pices in Chiron and Jupiter

[fallingwater]

I'm Sun, Moon, Venus and Rising in Scorpio but I've felt like a 'True Pices" all my life.
Could having Jupiter and Chiron in Pices be the reason I've always identified more with Pices than Scorppio:

My Chart

Sun Scorpio
Moon Scorpio
Mercury Libra
Venus Scorpio
Mars Leo
Rising Scorpio
Saturn Aquarius
Uranus Virgo
Neptune Scorpio
Pluto Virgo
True Node Leo
Chiron Pices


Any one know?????

[parintachin5`]

Can you post your exact birth data? The only thing I can tell you for now is that Pisces have the reputation of being "sweet, sensitive, and caring" while Scorpios have the (in my opinion, incorrect) reputation of being "manipulative, cruel, and cold."

In truth, Scorpios are extraordinarily sensitive and utterly loyal to those they love, and their love goes to great depths. Coldness and manipulation are only defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt.

Likewise, Pisces, while genuinely caring, loving, and empathetic, aren't as innocent as they're made out to be. I've known many a Pisces who has unwittingly manipulated others because they've just been to "sweet and charming" that people couldn't say no.

Everything has more depth than appears at first. Maybe you just have the wrong impression of each sign.

[fallingwater]

Born in Spartanburg S.C. on Oct. 30, 1962 at 6:55 am.

[fallingwater]

It's that ruthlessness and hot tempered and cruel aspect of scorpio I don't relate to.

Can I be manipulative-you bet
But it's the spacey sort of random meandering of pices I relate to
Scorpios seem to know what they want. Well I don't and I'm not terribly ambitious either
Sensitive yes, but then all water element have that trait

[parintachin5`]

Ok, take what I said before and add to that your Sun in 12th house conj. your Asc. and trining a Piscean Jupiter.

12th house, as you know, is Pisces' house, and your Sun will take on qualities of whatever house it falls in. So your Sun does take on some qualities of Pisces- gentleness, maybe putting others first, as you said, spaciness. With your Sun conjunct your Asc, you strongly identify as "you" with the qualities that make up the essence of you. What I mean is, suppose you had Mercury conj. your Asc; you'd be comfortable with expressing yourself verbally and identify yourself as someone who speaks up. So Sun conj. Asc shows you consider the very anture of who you are to be what you are.

The trine with Piscean Jupiter probably accentuates the above, too.

I hope this was helpful/ clear. It's finals week and I'm not on much sleep, so apologies if this doesn't seem to make sense.

[parintachin5`]

It's that ruthlessness and hot tempered and cruel aspect of scorpio I don't relate to.

Oooh- Scorpios aren't hot-tempered; that's another misconception. The sign gets such a terrible reputation it's not fair. No, I've found Scorpios to be the calmest, most collected, and patient people around. Not only that but I've never met a Scorpio with nervous energy or nervous agitation. They've all had clear pictures of everything going on, and known exactly what what worth fighting for (only those things that touched the cores of their beings, and even that gets fought for in a calm, logical, purposeful way) and what wasn't.

Cruelty, again, is generally not done on purpose (unless someone has deeply hurt said Scorpio or someone dear to said Scorpio). Purposeful cruelty without justification is really only for those who have been so bdaly scarred that they think it's the only way they cna have anything in life, a "I'll hurt them before they hurt me" mentality.

The toss-up is manipulation. I think you can admit that manipulating others can be a rather cruel thing to do, even if there is a good purpose behind it.

[fallingwater]

Thankyou parinntachin,
You wrote:

"So Sun conj. Asc shows you consider the very anture of who you are to be what you are.

Could you clarify this and does Sun conj. Asc involve Pices?

I've never known a Scorpio who didn't let loose on somebody once in awhile. And this includes me. It takes a lot though but when it happens you better clear the room. Lots of passion when angered. Yeah...maybe I am a scorp.

Manipulation is rarely part of my world but im not saying i never do it. I think everyone does at some point. They may not be aware of it.

Thanks for all your help.

[parintachin5`]

Lol, yeah, that was a pretty confusing sentence I wrote. Sorry.

And you're right; everyone does manipulate at some point. It's a good thing to be aware of.

The Sun/Asc Pisces thing is like this:
The house the Sun is in influences the Sun. Yours is in the 12th house, which is Pisces' house (Libra rules it in your chart, but it's still Pisces' home). The Sun is also the essence of who you are- not the way you talk, not the way you act, but the very core of what makes you, you. So, 12th house (Piscean) influence on that leads to Piscean influence on you.

Its conjunction with the Ascendant is what shows that you identify (or have a strong need to identify) with your Sun. Let's say you had Venus conj. the Asc. Venus's area in life would then be what you strongly identify with, what you would associate yourself with. Instead, you have the Sun conj. Asc... You associate yourself as whatever your Sun entails, which, being in the 12th, has that Piscean influence.

I hope that was clearer. If not, let me know and I'll try again tomorrow.

PS- What you said about letting loose; I've been told that (by other Scorps) but never seen it happen. I gotta admit I'm extremely curious (so long as it's directed at someone else) ; ) It's not quite the same thing as hot-headedness though, is it? I usually think of a hot-head as someone who gets angered easily and at many things, not a full-blown explosion a handful of times after a line has been far too crossed...

[fallingwater]

you're right it's not the same as hot headedness; it's more like a tidal wave; tidal waves come infrequently but the power, and destruction behind them is all encommpassing. In other words, once the tidal wave has hit, the destruction is hard to ignore.

Get some rest...and yes I understand what you wrote. Thankyou very much!