seeks a path

[ghostrideryyz]

BAD THREAD

[KEishin]

You're gonna hate my answer, but read dude. Read lots of stuff, read some more, take and break and then keep reading. I could suggest a path for you to follow, but that's just too cult leader for my tastes.
(Kool-Aid anyone?)

It took me some time to figure what was calling me, but it was worth all the research.

[ghostrideryyz]

bad thread

[ghostrideryyz]

bad thread

[KEishin]

Hands out Kool-Aid spiked with a mixture of Dexatrim and MSG.
*keels over from toxins moments later*

[Nacken]

Umm ghostridery
JUst for your info, the word atheist means someone who doesnt believe in anything beyond the physical. They believe, for instance, that when they die, there is no afterlife. All that is left is a body devoid of life. To me, it sounds as if you are more an agnostic. That means that you haven't made up your mind and are sitting on the fence.

[Pure Ahimsa]

Well, Jesus just copied everything from the Torah and changed a few things for his liking, I think he was an Egotistical Megolamaniac, and his Fan Club pissed me off...


But maybe instead of just choosing a deity, read a lot like KEishin said. If you are an atheist, then maybe if you are looking for a more spiritual side of a belief in nothing beyond the physical, then maybe looking at the physical as divine and/or as 'g-d' . You may just want to read though.

[ghostrideryyz]

shitty thread

[Ron]

Well, Jesus just copied everything from the Torah and changed a few things for his liking, I think he was an Egotistical Megolamaniac, and his Fan Club pissed me off...
Ahem. Yehusa copied everything from the Torah? Ahem. Are you a Semetic person? If you are then I can understand. If not, I've got a huge bone to pick with you. As a Gnostic and Middle Chr-stian, it is my valued belief that Yehusa came to break the old laws of the Torah to show that there was more that could be done -- that G-d would still be happy with you, even if you lived outside of the rules in the Torah and that you would not be in sin. I'm not a prominent Chr-stian, though I do learn from the teachings of a United Church. I don't engage in Chr-stian secularity, as it, just as Semetic secularity and all secularity, churns my stomach. Tis why I am a Middle Chr-stian. Agreed, there is no real fan club of Chr-st. There is a MakeBelieveFanClub called the Catholic church, then there are other Protestants that are no better, then there are some real fans like me -- who don't go around repeting the words of apostles. The Catholic church and Protestants have pissed me off quite a lot. I used to think Protestant = Good; Catholic = Bad... but my mind all changed when I met the craziest Protestant Pastors and Ministers ever... they practically glorify the Catholic church with their every breath. Now, to say that Yeshua is/was an "Egotistical Megolamaniac" is extremely rude and offensive.... you haven't even met the man.

:bouncysmi No offense, I just don't like Yeshua being freely bashed.

[Ron]

JUst for your info, the word atheist means someone who doesnt believe in anything beyond the physical. They believe, for instance, that when they die, there is no afterlife. All that is left is a body devoid of life.
Ennnnnnnn. Your definition of abomination, erm I mean atheist (lol I joke, I joke!!), is highly incorrect:


a·the·ist

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
And there's only one defintion given. :)

G-d be'n you.

[Isil Darkmoon]

Well, Jesus just copied everything from the Torah and changed a few things for his liking, I think he was an Egotistical Megolamaniac, and his Fan Club pissed me off...



ADMIN MODE:
THE RULE: RESPECT.

[ghostrideryyz]

f*cked up thread

[semi]

Then lets make it better and get back to the original topic. How to find a path. The advice given to read, read, read was perfect. But after the reading and acquisition of knowledge comes the application of the knowledge. That's when you practice some of the things you read about. Do a little ceremony here and there from various paths and see what feels right. If more than one feels right, explore more than one. Eventually, you'll find the place that feels the best: that will be your path. Be aware, though, that paths sometimes change and you might go through several. Good luck, Ghostrideryyz.

[Xentor]

I would like to request that the Admins delete this thread please. I got upset by things here, and this just seems like a real negative. It has already caused me more grief than I bargained for. I know good goes with bad. But this thread is bad getting worse.

We usually don't delete threads. Bad reactions can be seen as lessons to make things better. A new thread might gain the same negativity, without seeing the lessons learnt.

Let's follow semicivilisedman's suggestion and restart on this topic.

[Morr]

Ahem. Yehusa copied everything from the Torah? Ahem. Are you a Semetic person? If you are then I can understand. If not, I've got a huge bone to pick with you. As a Gnostic and Middle Chr-stian, it is my valued belief that Yehusa came to break the old laws of the Torah to show that there was more that could be done -- that G-d would still be happy with you, even if you lived outside of the rules in the Torah and that you would not be in sin. I'm not a prominent Chr-stian, though I do learn from the teachings of a United Church. I don't engage in Chr-stian secularity, as it, just as Semetic secularity and all secularity, churns my stomach. Tis why I am a Middle Chr-stian. Agreed, there is no real fan club of Chr-st. There is a MakeBelieveFanClub called the Catholic church, then there are other Protestants that are no better, then there are some real fans like me -- who don't go around repeting the words of apostles. The Catholic church and Protestants have pissed me off quite a lot. I used to think Protestant = Good; Catholic = Bad... but my mind all changed when I met the craziest Protestant Pastors and Ministers ever... they practically glorify the Catholic church with their every breath. Now, to say that Yeshua is/was an "Egotistical Megolamaniac" is extremely rude and offensive.... you haven't even met the man.

:bouncysmi No offense, I just don't like Yeshua being freely bashed.


Woah Woah Woah!
ill have you know that Jesus did not come to break the rules of the Torah or change them or let people know that you can do "more" then just follow some rules.

Paul did all the above.

Jesus was just another Jewish Rabbi with a few "reformist" or "liberal" ideas for his time. And he simply had a few debates with the Pharasees who were a Jewish sect that was more orthodox, popular and powerful at the time.
It was Jesus who insisted that his word would stay within the Jewish community, not spread out to the Gentiles.

and PS - "Semetic" is a racist declaration. There are plenty of "Semetics" who arent Jewish. There are Christian "Semetics", Arab Semetics, or Celtic Reconstructionist "Semetics" - like me. So check your sources before you write things that may offend others, and make a large generalization.

Anyways, back to the original thread -
I think you need to write down what you do believe in, what speaks to you, etc. Then write what doesnt, your doubts, etc. And see what you get. Besides, you dont need a set in stone path to be spiritually fulfilled. Good luck!

[ghostrideryyz]

This Thread Is Bullshit

[ghostrideryyz]

bad thread

[Toby Stimpson]

I disagree dear child...shame on those who veered off topic with inconseqential things...but this is not bullcrap, and is a very valid topic. The idea of a path...what is a path really? Is it merely religious following? Is it a common road? Or is it the theory that we ourselves move through life. In which case, any organized path would be irrelavent, and our 'path' would only be as fulfilling and as powerful as the stimuli and experiances in our lives. Our spiritual 'path' would only be as fulfilling and as promising as out spiritual lives. If you follow my meaning. With respect, it is my opinion, just by reading some of the things written by you here that you have attempted, and tried and retried....but with no results. Perhaps it could be that you try to hard...like your example of admiring other devotees. Devotion to a theistic idea, or a belief system is not to be compared to others...it is to help you strengthen your own beliefs. Try not thinking and hoping you have devotion...try just simply being there....watching, seeing, and listening to spiritual things. Try thinking in the abstract, the metaphorical, and perhaps also try to find others...egage in spiritual conversations. I find that after reading many things about a spiritual tradition and then actively engaging in conversation with those people I can see the many perspectives of that tradition...and it helps me to think about what I believe in in the process. If you recieved such a negetive feeling from this thread, it doesn't mean that it can't be saved...soemtimes arguments will flare up on this but I doubt very much that the people arguing hold anything personal against others they are arguing with, like in another thread I argued with someone over, again inconsequential things, but I hold nothing against him and I should hope he doesnt have anything against me. I wish you luck, and I hope that you start to feel a little bit more secure here, and in life in general. Namaste! :)

Tobias

[Ninjakitten]

I really don't have a path or an answer, but I wish I did. All my life I have admired people who lived a complete, devotional life. I have told someone here that I am an athiest, but that may not be true. I don't want to pick some diety at random, as I have seen some do. I want the truth to strike me like lightning, and never let me sleep again.


I hope I don't cause you any more harm for any reason, but I personally had this happen to me by, I guess, Christian sources. I've had the Shekinah (presence of God) "cast a circle" for me (the only way I could explain a shimmering dome around me) and spoke to me as a bright light that seemed to form the outline of an angelic-type being. To tell you the part of relevance, it shared with me that (in my case) that which I was seeking (spiritual enlightenment) lied in the only path I showed hatred for. At that time, for me at least, that was Christianity and it was because I hated the stuff that Christians had done and felt it was Christianity's fault, and didn't look at the beliefs that came from it.
I don't know if that helps, but maybe looking in the one place you are rejecting is the place YOU should look? Again, the above is MY account, and you can probably see why something like that would affect me to stick with Christ, but in your case the spiritual path might not be the same but the principle of the lesson may be what you need to find what is in your heart. It took me calling into the unknown and letting the Divine Spirit into my heart and shatter the hardness that prevented me from seeking truth beyond my own understanding to do this.
Also, I've been where you are. I remember how painful it was, so much that I was suicidal and not knowing where life could possibly take me before the revelation. Please, don't let it get to you too much. The hunger for understanding what your spirit cries out for is great right now, and I know negativity doesn't help. Sometimes, it takes this kind of pain for you to finally hunger enough to really drink in whatever the Divine finally wants to show you, lest it get lost when you "get used to it". If you are really going through what I went through back then, you will have your lightening and revelation soon enough. Just keep seeking and calling into the unknown to reveal itself to you. I hope this helps you, or someone at least.

[ghostrideryyz]

sick, sad evil damned thread

[Ron]

Woah Woah Woah!
ill have you know that Jesus did not come to break the rules of the Torah or change them or let people know that you can do "more" then just follow some rules.

Paul did all the above.

Jesus was just another Jewish Rabbi with a few "reformist" or "liberal" ideas for his time. And he simply had a few debates with the Pharasees who were a Jewish sect that was more orthodox, popular and powerful at the time.
It was Jesus who insisted that his word would stay within the Jewish community, not spread out to the Gentiles.

and PS - "Semetic" is a racist declaration. There are plenty of "Semetics" who arent Jewish. There are Christian "Semetics", Arab Semetics, or Celtic Reconstructionist "Semetics" - like me. So check your sources before you write things that may offend others, and make a large generalization.

Anyways, back to the original thread -
I think you need to write down what you do believe in, what speaks to you, etc. Then write what doesnt, your doubts, etc. And see what you get. Besides, you dont need a set in stone path to be spiritually fulfilled. Good luck!
@ Morr: No offense, that's nice and all; but I don't care. That was my credo; my statement of belief. What you say cannot change that. I said what I believe, and my only real issue was that Yehusa was having his memory completely desecrated and solied in great ignorance. There are many ways to interpret his actions and existence, but as long as people are not hating him or bending the Truth, I've got no problem with what they believe. I clearly said earlier, that I was giving my credo, not stating any fact. I find it very ignorant of you and rude to torment such an act. The fact that someone I respected as much as you, Morr, would preach to me, contrary to my own beliefs, which I was just stating to keep the memory of someone, who I care a lot for, alive - in good faith.

Goodday.

[ghostrideryyz]

sick, sad, evil damned thread. won't go away. evil sick damned thread. sick sick evil evil evil evil. thankyou admins, for yer infinate wisdom in keeping this sick, sad evil, threatening frickin thread alive, against all wishes. enjoy it, a$$holes

[Ron]

sick, sad, evil damned thread. won't go away. evil sick damned thread. sick sick evil evil evil evil. thankyou admins, for yer infinate wisdom in keeping this sick, sad evil, threatening frickin thread alive, against all wishes. enjoy it, a$$holes
"If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all." - Mommy of Thumper, Bambi.

_whistle_

[Womanwithwings]

Hi all! I'm a newbee to this group. I must say that I agree 100% with Keishen. Read, read, read and then read some more. I have been reading all sorts of literature for more than 15 years from Eastern Philosphy to Wicca/Paganism. Nothing really seemed to "fit" until recently, but still, I continue to read.

Don't worry so much about "fitting in" to a group. Spirituality is a journey of one's own sole. Each individual is different and I believe their spirituality is developed from their own uniqueness, experiences and search for their own truth.

My beliefs cover many faiths, and if forced to put myself into any category, it would be Gnostic. (defined as: Intuitive apprehension of spiritual truths, an esoteric form of knowledge sought by the Gnostics.)

Blessed Be.
Womanwithwings

[mol]

ghost, please dont do that again. It kills the continuity of the thread when you go back and edit out your posts.

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