Looking for some help

[Autumn Gemini]

In light of Tuesday's events I feel kind of selfish bringing this up. I know this will seem so minor and petty in comparision. OK, here's the problem:
My husband and I have noticed a trend with a "friend" my husband met while a manager at a local bookstore. This person(I'll call him Joe) introduced himself when he saw my husband's penticle ring. He is also a pagan. They got to talking and I was introduced to his wife. Seeing as how we had left a group recently because of politics we were happy to meet another pagan couple. We started hanging around together alot. My husband lost his job at the bookstore. Joe tried to talk him into working for him since he was going to open his own auto repair place. In the meantime, a job we had been trying to get my husband into with a military contrator came thru so my husband took the job. We found out I was pregnant and were looking for stabiltity. Joe was very upset that my hubby wouldn't wait on him to get his business going. Hubby traveled alot with his new job so we didn't see Joe much. About a week after I had my son, Joe starts coming around alot wanting my hubby to play Dungeons & Dragons. We started getting together. In less that a month, my husband was let go/ indefinate lay off from his job. Joe offers to get hubby on at the lumberyard where he is working. Hubby was interviewing with various places. Joe was letting us borrow his car to go to the interviews since our car wasn't drivable. Every positive offer eventually got retracted. Joe started showing up more and more to game. My husband has a good work history and background check. All the job loses/ retracted job offers happened within 3 weeks of Joe hanging around or knowing about them. It has struck me as just a little odd. Joe says he follows a family tradition and nothing we ever do is magickally is "right". Joe has gotten extremely controlling since hubby started working with him. Joe got mad when I wouldn't read the Tarot cards for him and decided he'd read his deck for my hubby even though my hubby asked him not to. Joe told my hubby that he(hubby) had a big battle he had to fight with a demon because we "snatched a soul from the Abyss" by having our son. I know the reading was BS. However, am I just being paranoid or is Joe's negativity and violent tendencies causing us some probles? I just thought it was odd that everything was fine and then Joe comes around and everything falls apart. Also, anyone know what a hexagonal is magickally? Thanks for any help. I know its so minor compared to Tuesday's events.

[rantnraven]

Your questions and concerns are very valid. Do not compare your issue to the tragedies of late. Yours are real to you and, unless you were personally involved in the other, current issues are of minimal matter where your own sanctity in concerned.

This “Joe” sounds like an interesting fellow. I would wonder if he was abused as a child or, taunted by his peers. He sounds a little like an assertive/aggressive – seeking to build himself by enslaving others (a power-monger of sorts). I have a room-mate like that and, once a favor is done, they try to make you feel like they own you; forever.

Once you refuse them their want/need, they become angered or enraged. Common place for these types. Avoid it. Period.

As for the “snatched soul from the Abyss”? Sounds like this “Pagan” is more Christian then you think (Nothing directed toward Christians as a whole). Sounds like he is more Satanist then Pagan (and we have had this discussion time-and-time again on these boards). The idea is that most Pagans do not believe in a “Satan” or a “Devil” thus, the “Abyss” is not recognized. This is a Satanist thing. I only bring in Christianity to point out that, usually, for one to believe in Satan, one must first be Christian. So, there’s that.

Disassociate yourself with him. That is the only advise I have. I know that there is the political thing but, if you have to play, you have to play. However, you do not have to feed this “Joe” fellers wants/needs.

You will find the way around this.

Blessings,
RnR

[Twilight Garden]

Also I'd do plenty of cleansing and protecting in and around your home. Take care of your baby boy. This is just as important as the terrorists. It sound like a spiritual attack on you and you surroundings, whether "Joe" sees it as that or not. Again a poor example of a pagan. I'm so sorry that a friend may be harming you.

Take Care & Bright Blessings
*LunarMist

[gunner]

reading your post i agree with the raven and lunarmist, this person has his own purposes and he does not mean you well, he is attempting to get control of your lives and establish a dependency relationship in you. there is no way to prove my suspicions but it's rather too coincidental that your husband has been losing jobs so quickly one right after the other. all it could take is a phone call making a false accusation to do that in most cases. it's quite obvious he wants your husband in the lumberyard job where he can watch and control him. i strongly suggest you boot him out of your lives in the strongest possible terms, to the point of getting a restraining order if possible and do some discreet checking into what may have been going on behind your back. above all keep your back covered and guard your child.

(added; the only true thing "joe" may have said was that your husband has to "battle a demon" and i would say that the "demon" is joe himself.)

[Autumn Gemini]

Thank you all! When I asked about this situation inone of my normal pagan chats on AOL I got attacked so I've been a little leery of asking for help. rantnraven, Joe claims he was a Satanic priest when he was in the Army. Having grown up with a control freak father I recognized real fast that Joe was one. We are protecting ourselves. Dylan, my baby, has a dragon charm for protection and we've noticed Joe does not get near Dylan much. We are taking the steps to take our power back. Getting my husband another job is the top priority. After Joe read the cards for my hubby and kinda shook him up I read my Goddess deck cards and even the cards indicated that Joe is the problem. I know Joe doesn't like me at all but, then I have recognized him for the BS artisit he is. Thanks for the help......:)