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Faeawyn
January 3rd, 2005, 12:24 PM
I know that people say they could kill if someone threatened them or someone they loved, but could you kill if a stranger were being brutally attacked?
What condition could you kill for?
IndigoMoon
January 3rd, 2005, 12:28 PM
I think I could only kill someone if me or one of my kids was in danger. The body's defense sort of takes over.
novena
January 3rd, 2005, 12:32 PM
I know that people say they could kill if someone threatened them or someone they loved, but could you kill if a stranger were being brutally attacked?
What condition could you kill for?
Possibly, but it's difficult to say, given that it's all theory unless we're actually presented with such a situation (which I hope none of us is).
But we each kill every day, unwittingly. All the microscopic creatures that get washed down the drain when we take a shower. The bugs we accidentally step on as soon as we step out the front door. Even if we are vegetarians, we're essentially killing the food we eat. And we kill ourselves, in the scores of mindless ways, each time we are untrue to ourselves or fail to act in accordance with our own compassion.
Probably more of a philosophical answer than what you were looking for....
:)
misty
January 3rd, 2005, 12:33 PM
I could kill if someone were threatening my son....without a second thought.
HorseCrow
January 3rd, 2005, 12:33 PM
I am very much against taking any life, as i am opposed to the death penalty but, if someone was trying to kill me, my loved ones... or even a stranger (depending on the situation), then I believe I would be able to kill- mentally at least, cos I remember reading some where, that killing a person is actually quite difficult- not like in the movies.
misschief
January 3rd, 2005, 12:34 PM
what would i kill for? lots of things.... i would kill to save someone else, i would kill for freedom, i would kill for justice, i would kill for my friends and family (not just cuz they ask me to, but you know what i mean)... there are lots of things. and i wouldn't feel remorse.
Zophael
January 3rd, 2005, 12:36 PM
I could kill in defense of myself and others. I'm pretty sure I could commit euthanasia, although the toll on myself would be extreme. I've forced myself to kill wounded animals before and that's a horrible experience, but letting them suffer would be far worse.
Faeawyn
January 3rd, 2005, 12:37 PM
Its kind of ironic for me because I hate guns. To me, the only thing guns are good for is killing people or animals, and I'm against both. However, if someone threatened someone I care about, I would have no problem whatsoever picking up a gun, aiming and pulling the trigger. I don't know if I would have remorse, but I would be able to justify it in my mind. Makes me feel like a hypocrite in a way :whatgives:
soilsigh aingeal
January 3rd, 2005, 12:47 PM
chose other, only because threaten could just be someone saying they could do harm to someone that I loved.
I think I would only be tempted to kill another human being if I thought my life was in danger or if they harmed my children or anyone else I hold that dear to my heart.
Faeawyn
January 3rd, 2005, 12:50 PM
chose other, only because threaten could just be someone saying they could do harm to someone that I loved.
I think I would only be tempted to kill another human being if I thought my life was in danger or if they harmed my children or anyone else I hold that dear to my heart.
I'm sorry...I should have made that clearer and said threatened your life instead of just threatened :D But thats what I meant.
soilsigh aingeal
January 3rd, 2005, 12:52 PM
I figured, I'm just anal :)
WickedBttrfly
January 3rd, 2005, 12:57 PM
I said other just because I know I'd kill to protect myself or loved ones, but as for a complete stranger? It just depends on the situation I guess.
But yeah I could. I might feel a little remorse tht it had to resort to me taking another life, but I'd get over it. :whatgives
Raidenmaru
January 3rd, 2005, 01:02 PM
It depends on what form I'm in: most of the time, it's draining to actually take sentient life because I know what it's like to lose people close to me; this does not apply in Miami, FL.
SSanf
January 3rd, 2005, 01:03 PM
As unpleasant as it is, sometimes killing, even for a stranger is necessary and to the greater good.
If you could go back in time would you remove Hitler from the human population? I, of course, would prefer incarceration. But, that failing to be an option, killing is sometimes the solution of last resort.
Would you kill someone on the spot to keep them from detonating a bomb that would kill injure and maim hundreds of people? I think you would reach deep down inside and find the strength to do what you had to do.
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 01:03 PM
I'm pretty sure I could do it to defend myself or my family. On the night of this last saturday I had two carloads of drunken yahoos pull into my driveway. My driveway is long, maybe 50 yards, and they stayed out by the road. I think they were just turning around, but they took so long doing it my suspicions were aroused, so I grabbed the nearest weapon (a war hammer) and went out onto the carport to watch them, hammer held in plain view. They left amid shouted curses, but I was fully prepared to use that hammer on them if it came to it.
wolf
January 3rd, 2005, 01:06 PM
Just plain "yes" is not an answer on that poll, but that's my answer.
I had to think long and hard about that question before I accept the responsibility of carrying a gun. it's not an easy answer, and many of the people who respond "if I were threatened, if my children were threatened" etc., etc., are often not being honest about the answer. They wouldn't. If you pause to think, to justify, to examine, to wrestle philosophically with it ... "Am I endangered enough" ... you're already dead.
And no, I thankfully haven't had a chance to test my resolve.
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 01:12 PM
If you pause to think, to justify, to examine, to wrestle philosophically with it ... "Am I endangered enough" ... you're already dead.
True, which is why it should be resolved well ahead of time.
Raidenmaru
January 3rd, 2005, 01:13 PM
I agree, but I have very little willpower anyways.
Welcome, Wolf! Enjoy your stay at MW and I hope you'll hang around. I'm Raidenmaru (yes, my common name) and I'm the resident quack.
Tigereyes99
January 3rd, 2005, 01:18 PM
Well only if they threatended me or a loved one but if they forced me like if they were dying painfully and they said kill me then yes i would do it and take them out of the pain.....
Pilot
January 3rd, 2005, 01:20 PM
I could probably kill....if it were justice
Boogins
January 3rd, 2005, 01:25 PM
In all honesty, before my medications, I tried to kill a couple of people just because I was angry. Manic angry, that was the problem. I could still do it now, but it would have to be in defense of a human being--loved one or stranger, doesn't matter.
Flar's Freyja
January 3rd, 2005, 01:28 PM
I know that people say they could kill if someone threatened them or someone they loved, but could you kill if a stranger were being brutally attacked?
What condition could you kill for?
It's hard to say since I've never been in that situation. I have stuck my hand down a dog's throat to save him from choking and did the same for one of my children. I would have to say that given the right circumstances, I probably would unless I was overcome by fear and took other action.
PeleRising
January 3rd, 2005, 01:28 PM
I would do anything to avoid killing... but if it came down to my family's lives or someone trying to seriously harm them... and nothing else worked... then yes I would.
Joshua
January 3rd, 2005, 01:30 PM
Sure. I know that's easy to say, but it's like this; when you violate someone else's rights, you abdicate your own. The way I see it, someone threatening the life of someone I care about is waiving their own right to live. I really think I could kill someone in defense of a friend or loved one, and then sleep like a baby that night (unless I wind up in jail for it, in which case I'd have to sleep with one eye open).
Radocs
January 3rd, 2005, 01:35 PM
Only for myself and my loved ones.
Threase
January 3rd, 2005, 01:37 PM
I could kill if I needed to.
Avens
January 3rd, 2005, 01:43 PM
As much as I attempt to preach that all life is sacred, it's not particularly applicable in today's society or in nature itself. I eat meat, I believe in justified (but never good) war, and I'm a proud supporter of Planned Parenthood - I'm pro-choice.
However, I'm anti-death penalty, simply because that's pre-meditated murder of our citizens by our government. No matter what the crime, I would prefer they be incarcerated.
But if someone were attacking myself or my family, I would fight back. I'd prefer not to kill, but if I had to, I believe I could and would. I would also expect to be caught, charged, and face a trial, at which point I may plead self-defense or defense of others. I expect I would feel a great deal of sadness for the death and for my part in it - I've always been one with a heavy conscience, but I believe I could move on eventually.
My theory on killing has never been tested, and I can't say what I'd do in a life-or-death situation. I'm no pacifist. Here's hoping I never have to test it though.
Avens
6th Angel
January 3rd, 2005, 01:45 PM
I got to do what I got to do. :smoke:
If the circumstance requires me to kill someone, I would... Without hesitation. :uzi:
DragonsChest
January 3rd, 2005, 01:45 PM
I voted yes for myself and my loved ones, without hesitation or remorse, and also yes for a stranger, but I need to qualify the stranger one.
If the stranger was a child, then I could kill to protect it without a thought. I believe it is the duty of adults to protect children.
If the stranger was an adult, then I am pretty sure I could, but it would not be without thought. What that thought would consist of, I cannot say, as I have never been faced with that situation.
And pray to god I never am.
LadyTrinity
January 3rd, 2005, 02:00 PM
I would need therapy for life if I killed someone but yes. I would. Only in self defense or to save another's life :awilly:
vanRichten
January 3rd, 2005, 02:14 PM
Without hesitation or remorse. With a gun, knife or bare hands. If someone is threatening someone else, be it a stranger or a loved one then I feel it is my duty to protect.
While I have thankfully never had to kill another human being I have had to physically restrain using the knowledge that I posses and I have held another person at gunpoint until the police arrived to keep them from harming another person.
I have had to kill animals, dogs numerous times and even a bear once, to keep them from killing or seriously injuring loved ones. As I hunt for my food when I am legally allowed to do so, taking the life of an animal while not easy isn't the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
*shrugs* Here's hoping that I nor anyone else here ever faces those choices again.
Avalon
January 3rd, 2005, 02:17 PM
If someone or something put my family and/or loved ones in danger, most definitely. Especially if it was one of the kids.
Flaire-FireStar
January 3rd, 2005, 02:18 PM
Just plain ol' "Yes".
Morr
January 3rd, 2005, 02:24 PM
i carried a rifle in the army, so I was trained to kill.
i'd kill if someone was threatening me or someone i love. as well as a stranger.
the army taught me to kill/harm anyone who is against the army/my side. Obviously you dont kill them IMMIDIATELY.. theres certain routines and stuff you have to do before shooting them :lol:
but I could. If I had to.
MoonDragn
January 3rd, 2005, 02:26 PM
There are tons of ways to subdue someone without killing them. Unless they are like jason or michael on one of those horror movies like unstoppable would i ever use a gun on them. Even then, taking out their knee caps usually will do the trick.
diamondtiger
January 3rd, 2005, 02:38 PM
If I were in a situation where it was either kill or be killed, I'd kill. To protect family/loved ones.... YES. To protect a stranger... YES.
As for taking out the knee caps, I've always felt that if I ever feel the NEED to use my firearm against another human being, I will shoot to kill. If there's any doubt, I obviously don't need my gun. Besides, the way the justice system works now a days, you'd be lucky to not get sued by the perp if you simply injure them.
MerrisHawk
January 3rd, 2005, 03:01 PM
If there were ultimately no other options, yes.
Taking a life is horror that never leaves you, by design or accident it's something you can't take back or fix. It affects everyone around you and beyond, giving you a label instead of a name. Nothing around you will ever be the same.
*Rain*
January 3rd, 2005, 03:03 PM
I could, but then i'm trained to and it's my job. I'd generally prefer not to have to though.
Tsuchimaru
January 3rd, 2005, 03:07 PM
Yes.
Elfa Wylde
January 3rd, 2005, 03:15 PM
Only if it really came down to me or them.
If in the case of a stranger... and the possibility that I might do something to cause the attack to turn toward me rather the stranger and therefore save them and then needed to save myself... darn right i could kill.
And if put in that situation, concidering that while in school i tended to defend the kids who for whatever reason could not defend themselves when shoved and poked etc ... then yeah.. i would try to get the attacker to come after me... and then, most likely, it would come down to kill or be killed.
I've been attacked before, myself. I was sure i'd be killed. But luckily when i came to that conclusion and chose to defend myself by whatever means i needed, the attacker chose to take off.
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 03:48 PM
A couple of things to consider:
Shooting to wound. Very, very, VERY few people can shoot well enough under stress to actually make this work, and even if it does it can land you in serious legal trouble. A prosecutor can get his claws in the fact that you deliberately fired, meaning you used deadly force, yet you deliberately hit a non-vital area, meaning you felt deadly force wasn't justified. If you felt deadly force wasn't justified, you had no business shooting. This is also why warning shots are a bad idea.
Killing to save a stranger. This can get very sticky very fast. How do you know who is the victim and who is the perpetrator? Maybe the victim suddenly turned the tables on his assailant right before you got there. This is a big reason why cops sometimes shoot the wrong person. For example, cops respond to a call about a naked man holding a knife to a naked woman's throat. Cops arrive on scene and find the reported incident happening. The man is screaming threats and the woman is hysterical. They point their guns at the man and order him to drop the knife. He ignores them. Cops shoot and kill the man. The woman promptly sues for excessive use of force. Why? The man was her husband, and the reported "asault" was simply some bizaare lovers' game they liked to play. The cops were not guilty of any criminal offense, as they had good reason to believe the woman was about to die, but they got wiped out in the civil suit she filed.
DragonsChest
January 3rd, 2005, 04:13 PM
A couple of things to consider:
Shooting to wound. Very, very, VERY few people can shoot well enough under stress to actually make this work, and even if it does it can land you in serious legal trouble. I certainly couldn't shoot that accurately.
Killing to save a stranger. This can get very sticky very fast. How do you know who is the victim and who is the perpetrator?
This is why I would hesitate if it were an adult stranger, but not a child stranger. (and I mean a little kid, 0-7 or 8) A child is almost always the victim. Almost.
MoonDragn
January 3rd, 2005, 04:15 PM
Bah I hate lawyers ;)
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 04:19 PM
Bah I hate lawyers ;)
Yeah. When you think about it, we haven't moved very far from trial by combat, except whereas whoever was the better/luckier fighter (or had the better champion) won, now whoever has the better lawyer wins.
fay
January 3rd, 2005, 06:04 PM
im vaguely suprised to be the first and perhaps only person to express doubt in my ability to kill.
i think it would be very easy for me to say, "if they hurt someone i love, ill kill them", but if it actually came down to it i dont know that i could. im not saying that it wouldnt be one of the worst things someone could do to me to hurt someone i loved, but im really not sure how id react under the circumstances. i think the only way i could, is if i was in a blind rage and didnt know what i was doing, but you never know. i dont think id ever recover from it though, i think id probably be haunted by it for the rest of this life.
blessed be
HarzWitch
January 3rd, 2005, 06:06 PM
I would kill out of self defence or defence of my beloved.
In certain situations I would kill in order to protect an innocent person from an unjust attack.
Earthy
January 3rd, 2005, 06:12 PM
If somebody was threatening to harm my kids,i would do it without a second thought.
I may have trouble living with it afterwards but at least i would have protected those i love.
wooleybob
January 3rd, 2005, 06:18 PM
I was trained to kill in the service,but i know other ways to defend.But under the situation and was forced to kill,then i would do what ever means to protect myself or others as last resort..with remorse.
wolf
January 3rd, 2005, 06:26 PM
Most state laws require that your own life must be threatened to justify the use of "deadly force."
Some states allow defending of property, but that's very rare.
morrigan
January 3rd, 2005, 07:08 PM
if someone was attacking my a family member or if i found out that they had molested my kids.. if that one happened they would endure a most painful, drawn out and unspeakably torturous death..
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 07:42 PM
According to statistic I read, in WW2 only about 20% of American soldiers actually deliberately shot at the enemy. Others occupied themselves with other tasks or deliberately missed. That surprised me. I think if someone was shooting at me I'd have no hang-ups at all shooting back.
banondraig
January 3rd, 2005, 07:47 PM
According to statistic I read, in WW2 only about 20% of American soldiers actually deliberately shot at the enemy. Others occupied themselves with other tasks or deliberately missed. That surprised me. I think if someone was shooting at me I'd have no hang-ups at all shooting back.
:hairraise i hope my unit isn't like that next time i go to iraq!
ravynbynorthwynd
January 3rd, 2005, 08:03 PM
no quetion in my mind. i would kill to protect a stranger.
Wolfscout1
January 3rd, 2005, 08:27 PM
I could kill in self-defense of self, family , friends and strangers.
have in the military. and did as a civilian in Fla self-defense of another.
been there. yes it's very tough and you never get over it, but the option -- ,
I'll take what i've already done. don't like the options.
WokeUpDead
January 3rd, 2005, 08:28 PM
I've always wondered what it's like to kill someone
Smiley Girl
January 3rd, 2005, 08:53 PM
Hmm, I would kill if someone ATTACKED me... or a loved one.... but not really threatened. If someone threatened to kill me, I'd shrug it off.... unless they had a gun to my head. :ugh: If they attacked me, then I might kill in self defence. That is, if I wasn't already dead. Oy... :ugh:
Valnorran
January 3rd, 2005, 09:27 PM
:hairraise i hope my unit isn't like that next time i go to iraq!
You'll probably be all right. In Vietnam the percentage went up to something like 80%. Apparently, it was all in the training. In WW2 rifle ranges consisted of bulls-eye targets. During the Vietnam War, the training involved human shaped targets. Other techniques were employed to override the normal human's aversion to homicide so that when battle came, the soldiers' response was a conditioned response. They simply did what they had been conditioned to do and fired without thinking about it. There's a site called killology that has several good articles on it by an Army psychologist.
Laisrean
January 3rd, 2005, 09:53 PM
It may seem strange, but I am opposed to the death penalty, yet I have no problem with killing in self-defense or the defense of others. I would do anything I could (within reason) to try to disable/subdue the attacker and would only kill at utmost need.
DixieWitch
January 3rd, 2005, 09:54 PM
I know that people say they could kill if someone threatened them or someone they loved, but could you kill if a stranger were being brutally attacked?
What condition could you kill for?
I would kill if someone were hurting my children or other members of my family. There would be no thoughts about it. For a complete stranger, I'm not sure. It would depend on the situation. IF I could get help, I would. If not, I would do what I could to help the person. And if this lead to killing, then I guess so.
Billy Pilgrim
January 3rd, 2005, 10:05 PM
I could never fight in the military defending some "cause".
If someone was brutally attacking ANYONE and I was there, I would hurt them if necessary, yes.. but not kill.. I don't think I could bring myself to kill someone. Other than that the only person I could stand to hurt or kill would be myself.
Cev'aq
January 4th, 2005, 01:11 AM
I would have no problem killing a person who was attacking/threatening myself, my family, my friends, or strangers. Somehow, I've never managed to place much value on a generic human life.
Teresa
January 4th, 2005, 01:23 AM
I was in a situation once where I knew it would be him or me.At the time I felt it was in my best interest not to attempt to incase I wasn't successful.( aka:scared as hell to try and just tick him off even more )Thank the Higher Powers that someone came to my aide and I only had a broken arm and a stab wound to my spleen. I have never been able to be violent and I think the Higher Powers watch over me due to this.There have been several close calls or near deaths in this life time and The Higher Powers have always prevailed for me.
Sequoia
January 4th, 2005, 01:32 AM
To protect those close to me, yes, I most likely could. To protect myself? Probably.
In any other circomstance? I don't know. I suppose I'd have to be there to know.
butterflydreams
January 4th, 2005, 02:35 AM
I think I could kill if someone was threatening the life of one of my loved ones or myself. I'm not sure about if it was a stranger. I guess that would have to depend on the situation. I'm not sure how well I would be able to live with myself afterwards if I did have to kill someone and I hope I never have to find out.
WynterWynd
January 4th, 2005, 04:27 AM
I believe I could if someone was threatening my life or a loved ones life....yup, I believe I could!
tebyen
January 4th, 2005, 09:43 AM
Could I kill someone? Yes.
Would I? No. I know enough about the human body, and combat, that I can drop just about anyone without causing lasting damage, and without using anything other than an ordinary walking stick.
Old Witch
January 4th, 2005, 10:20 AM
I voted other...I could kill as the situation warranted..........Such as supreme cruelty on an animal...Which is why I no longer carry a gun as a matterof course........
strider
January 4th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Had to do it more than once.I was in the Army a long time and had to do some f ;;;;d up stuff. I don't want to sound like a ass but, I know I can do it without any feeling. It would take alot to make me do it know ,but i could.
Grey
January 4th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Myself? Yes I could kill someone, and I could sleep at night too. Id need a good reason... immenent death, attacks on a loved one... the mugging of a random stranger... step in and it turns more violent... Cold I cold heartedly walk up and kill someone... snap there neck?
Id like to say that wasnt the case... Id like to say I was incapable of that. But the truth is Im not. I could do that, and I could find a way to live with myself afterwords to, and it would get easier with each time. However I know I Wont do that, and if I ever get to the point where I decide to, Ill have alot bigger issues to deal with then my capabilities... like my immortal soul for starters.
Nord Witch
January 4th, 2005, 01:33 PM
I would say, If someone were hurting someone I loved or cared about or someone who was in a position they couldn't defend themselves and I absolutely had no other choice in defending them but to kill...
I have been in fights before in my life to protect those who could not protect themselves against attackers be it friends/loved ones or a child or pregnant woman...If it came down to killing the person, I could do it...if they are violently attacking any of these people with the intention of hurting them badly or killing them...
ravenmyst
January 4th, 2005, 03:21 PM
I will protect my kids, friends and weak strangers from bodily harm, if I could not solve attack any other way I would be capable of killing to protect, no doubt. My kids safety I would give myself for
SilverNightShade
January 4th, 2005, 04:22 PM
i could only kill someone if it was my only option. If someone were killing me in my own home...and i have nothing else to do, i'd kill them to save myself. Probably not even kill, injure badly
only to protect myself.
nighstar
January 4th, 2005, 04:34 PM
i don't think i could ever kill someone intentionally...... hurt them, yes. cripple them in order to protect me or my loved ones, yes. intentionally kill, i don't think so. unless there was no other way around it. :\
Fang of Loki
January 4th, 2005, 06:56 PM
I could kill if someone was attacking a complete stranger.
Valnorran
January 4th, 2005, 07:47 PM
i could only kill someone if it was my only option. If someone were killing me in my own home...and i have nothing else to do, i'd kill them to save myself. Probably not even kill, injure badly
only to protect myself.
The problem is that if you injure, you might just piss 'em off.
WolfWonderess
January 4th, 2005, 07:57 PM
I don't think I could kill, nor would I ever want to. I can't even kill an ant! The guilt is too intense; lives are irreplaceable. Of course, I do believe in reincarnation—but I don't think it's up to me to send someone off to their next incarnation. ^^;; It's a serious, hefty decision, and I don't think I'd have the guts to do so. It's too permament a solution. And it's not something I would want to live with for the remainder of my life, regardless of the situation that provoked it.
Now, could I seriously maim someone who was threatening me, a loved one, or even a stranger? Without a doubt. I would aim to injure rather than *kill*, and hope that the injury would be enough to render the attacker immobile or otherwise unable to continue the attack.
Of course, this is just my take. And I realize we kill things everyday without even thinking—but I think the key is intention. ^_~
wolf
January 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM
i don't think i could ever kill someone intentionally...... hurt them, yes. cripple them in order to protect me or my loved ones, yes. intentionally kill, i don't think so. unless there was no other way around it. :\
If you are truly fighting for your life you often do not have the option of lesser harm.
Yasmine Galenorn
January 4th, 2005, 08:10 PM
I certainly couldn't shoot that accurately.
This is why I would hesitate if it were an adult stranger, but not a child stranger. (and I mean a little kid, 0-7 or 8) A child is almost always the victim. Almost.
Yeah, that was my thought. If it's a little kid--then I'd rush in.
Yasmine
Verthandi
January 10th, 2005, 06:28 PM
I know that people say they could kill if someone threatened them or someone they loved, but could you kill if a stranger were being brutally attacked?
What condition could you kill for?
What kind of person would I be if I left someone in danger? If I saw someone being brutally attacked, loved one, acquaintance or stranger, I would do everything in my power, even kill, to save them.
Dashifen
January 10th, 2005, 07:57 PM
I could kill for any number of reasons, including those listed here and more, so I chose other.
AlAskendir
January 10th, 2005, 10:28 PM
With me, it is more a question of how shall I restrain myself from doing unforgivable violence to others...I am a scorpio (the sign most likely to murder or be murdered), quite tall (6'6"), overweight, fairly passive ( the kind Federal Investigators tend to call a 'ticking bomb'), and I have large-man syndrome (opposite of small man syndrome, an inappropriately huge self-esteem with no proof, and no need to ever prove myself to myself or anyone else).....so I have no desire to dominate anyone, but I can't stand to be bossed around. I used to get offended often, and take care of the build up of rage by screaming at the sky something like 1 to 3 times a week. Gradually I learned the power of Positive Darkness, and how emotions drive manifesting. Still, I have recently left a coven because one of the members ended a mild argument by attacking one of the other members (whom I happen to be in love with), and afterward would neither admit that he had done anything wrong nor swear not to threaten or attack those who had not threatened or attacked him or his loved-ones....I stopped his attack by lifting his head by the second gate of death and the Positive Dark-part of me informed him that he was three seconds from death - - - without some kind of oath, he would always, for me, be right on the edge of 'acceptable to kill'.
See, usually when I start getting p-o-ed enough to engage in violence, the Dark part of me speaks within me, saying things like 'What will the positive result be?', and if I can't satisfy it, we 'argue' until well after the situation is over. In this particular circumstance, as I got to my feet to grab the attacker, the Dark part of me just said 'kill him now!', and it's only because we'd had long talks before that he recognised how close he really was to death and stopped being violent.
He thinks I'm angry at him.... actually I'm scared of being around him and going-off again.
That's my other way of ensuring that I don't end up on Death Row somewhere...staying away from those that I know that I have no problem killing.
AlAskendir
January 10th, 2005, 10:35 PM
As unpleasant as it is, sometimes killing, even for a stranger is necessary and to the greater good.
If you could go back in time would you remove Hitler from the human population? I, of course, would prefer incarceration. But, that failing to be an option, killing is sometimes the solution of last resort.
Would you kill someone on the spot to keep them from detonating a bomb that would kill injure and maim hundreds of people? I think you would reach deep down inside and find the strength to do what you had to do.
I agree...but I wonder if removing Hitler would have quite the result that we all think that it would. I mean, that was a particular situation, and he was only one of the many possible solutions. Was he the worst one? Wouldn't it be better to go back and somehow ensure that Germany did not become so impoverished after WW 1 that his particular brands of hate would seem 'positive' from the hole they were in? I'd rather go back and kill Custer.
Marty_MC
January 10th, 2005, 10:42 PM
I don't think I could kill, nor would I ever want to. I can't even kill an ant! The guilt is too intense; lives are irreplaceable. Of course, I do believe in reincarnation—but I don't think it's up to me to send someone off to their next incarnation. ^^;; It's a serious, hefty decision, and I don't think I'd have the guts to do so. It's too permament a solution. And it's not something I would want to live with for the remainder of my life, regardless of the situation that provoked it.
Now, could I seriously maim someone who was threatening me, a loved one, or even a stranger? Without a doubt. I would aim to injure rather than *kill*, and hope that the injury would be enough to render the attacker immobile or otherwise unable to continue the attack.
Of course, this is just my take. And I realize we kill things everyday without even thinking—but I think the key is intention. ^_~
Ditto. I was going to quote a small piece of your post at first, then it was going to be a chunk, soon it was more than half, now it's everything. So ditto I say, ditto.
AlAskendir
January 10th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Most state laws require that your own life must be threatened to justify the use of "deadly force."
Some states allow defending of property, but that's very rare.
One of the few things I really like about Nevada is the 'fleeing horse-thief' law....any citizen that sees any perpetrator fleeing while commiting a crime has the right and responsibility to stop him or her by any means convenient. Good stuff!!
Gracecat
January 11th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Having lost one, beyond a doubt if it came down to my remaining daughter's safety, absolutely. They'd be toasted. My husband has turned rabidly protective, moreso than I have. He'd gleefully mutliate anyone that attempted harm on Abi.
Convallaria
January 11th, 2005, 12:08 PM
I could seriously injur, but never kill.
BabblingImp
January 11th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I have a high sence of family and well being, while I'm not trigger happy, nor do I think I would kill when someone was being attacked, if I were in Danger and my kid were along with my loved one watch out! I will get you no doubt! and when I mean danger I mean like the guy has my kid and is in my house, I will do anything to protect my family!
sarabethv
January 11th, 2005, 03:20 PM
It is of course a matter of circumstances, but yes, I probably could given the right set of those circumstances. And if someone were threatening me/my loved ones, I would probably do my very best to take out the threat.
Katya
January 11th, 2005, 03:53 PM
only in a survival situation. other than that, no.
Hærfest Leah
January 11th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Sure I could. I was a cop for 4 years and you can't be one without accepting the fact that you may one day have to. So theres the perfect stranger answer for you. But as for me or my family, I most definitely would off anyone who tried to harm me or my family.
Dark Phoenix
January 11th, 2005, 04:55 PM
If someone was trying to hurt me or one of my family or friends then yes.
Rowenna
January 12th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I voted for me or a loved one. I know I would have no problem in that situation. A stranger would be tricky, possibly but it depends on what the circumstances were.
Silver_FireStar
January 12th, 2005, 09:37 AM
I am sad to say my answer was not in theory. I really could kill someone and if not for a girl and a teacher I would be in prison now for having done so. Oh man you're all going to avoid me now.
It doesn't even take phisical abuse of someone to get me that way. But I'm sure you don't want to hear that so I'll not tell you what happened unless someone asks.
serenarian
January 12th, 2005, 09:38 AM
I voted other, because I really, honestly could not say. I guess my answer would be 'unwittingly'
Doodlebug
January 12th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Yeah, I could probably do it but only if someone was threatening me or a loved one's life.
Psyche Ague
January 12th, 2005, 10:07 AM
I would absolutely LOVE to say that I would never take a life but I know that if something were threatening people or animals that I love that I would step in and try to resolve the situation as best I could.
Luminessence
January 12th, 2005, 10:48 AM
I would probably be able to kill if I was in immediate danger, or if someone I loved was in immediate danger. Other than that, though, I don't think I would be able to.
Blondie
January 12th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I can never say definitely that I would or I wouldn't. Until the situation arose.
Right now, I'd go with no. I'm usually really swift under stressful situations. Hopefully I could find some other medium of survivng.
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