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Shatril
January 4th, 2005, 08:21 AM
The preliminaries are the “Four Thoughts that Turn the Mind to the Dharma

The first thought is: thinking about appreciating the precious human life. Think how precious an existence as a human is, as it is in an environment where you can hear the teachings of Buddhadharma. Being born as a human is the ultimate existence to obtain enlightenment. All other existences, such as animal, or hungry spirit have huge limitations on the ability to study and practice the Dharma and accumulate good karma for good placement in future lives.

Now you have got what's so hard to get
The precious freedoms and advantages
This one life alone means so little
So why be so obsessed with it?
If to do some good for yourself and others too
You listen to Dharma, and then reflect
Then you are so fortunate–
This is what it means to be lucky
~~Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche, translated by Ari Goldfield

The Second Thought is: thinking about death and impermanence, that the opportunities that we have now with this precious opportunity are not going to last. The reality of death, that it can come suddenly and without warning. Thinking we have plenty of time is false security. We have plenty of time for entertainment, movies, vacations, sports, and partying. We have plenty of time for work. But we have precious little time for dharma thinking, "Perhaps, when the kids are older, when I retire, when the work eases off a bit, or when winter comes, or summer. . . ." We always assume that there will be time later, but in the process we are aging and our vitality is waning. Impermanence means we are changing, and approaching death.

This life is quite impermanent
It will definitely disappear
You think everything will stay just as it is–
How to come out from this confusion into the clear?
Cut the root of samsara's confused appearances
By meditating on the meaning of what you've heard
If you do this, you are so fortunate--
This is what it means to be lucky.
~~ Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche, translated by Ari Goldfield

The Third Thought is: thinking about the laws of karma and cause and effect, in other words how our behavior affects what we experience. Having reached the certainty that each of our actions and its results is profoundly significant, not only within this lifetime but beyond, it is important to use this wonderful discovery. Let the understanding of karma transform our priorities, our values, our world view, and thus transform our way of life.

If you do good, you'll be happy
If you do bad, you'll suffer pain.
Think well about how karma works
And you'll gain certainty that it's an unfailing law.
If then you act in a rightful way
Doing what you should do and giving up the rest
Then you are so fortunate–
This is what it means to be lucky
~~Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche, translated by Ari Goldfield

The fourth Though is: thinking about the disadvantages of samsara, of uncontrollably recurring rebirth. Or put another way the unsatisfactory nature of the cycle of existence. There is something unsatisfying about the way we live, and this need not continue. Otherwise, the Buddha would never have troubled us by pointing out the unsatisfying nature of life - even a successful life, a delightful family situation, a good job, a sunny day. Why is there an element of dissatisfaction and anxiety in all human relations, lying so often just beneath the surface, even in times of pleasure? Something is awry, but the fault is not outside us in the environment. Samsara is not out there, but rather in the way that we experience our environment. To target it precisely, samsara is in the quality of our minds. Our minds are not functioning in accord with reality, and therein lies the problem.

The nature of samsara is the three sufferings
When you know this in your heart, and it's not just something you say
And so you can free yourself and others from samsara's ocean
You cut off suffering right at the root
If you can do that, then you are so fortunate–
This is what it means to be lucky.
~~Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche, translated by Ari Goldfield

I hope this help. The first of the 59 Lojong Slogans is “First train in the preliminaries” The basis for many of Buddhist training is founded on the four thoughts that lead to the dharma, and a good understanding of this will help with many of the other concepts that are presented.

Each of these four thoughts is a good subject for meditation. This will lead us to the practice of tonglen later. However we do need to first train in the preliminaries as the first slogan indicates. I want you to know that there are probably as many approaches to the Lojong/Tonglen/Seven Points of Mind Training as there are teachers to teach it. Each person will develop techniques that are relevent for them. What I am giving you is a brief description of how I learned this, and many links to other relevent teachings.

Some links:

http://www.nalandabodhi.org/fourthoughts.html
http://www.berzinarchives.com/sutra/sutra_level_2/4_thoughts_turn_mind_dharma.html

spirit wind
January 4th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Thank you Shatril :hugz:
I read through another link you gave about this and it made no sense to me, no matter how many times i read through it. But this makes sense! Absolute total sense.

Shatril
January 4th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Yes, sometimes you find a Buddhist writer that make no sense at all. That is because theirs and their translator's first languages are not English. I have also noticed that for some reason many of the Buddhist writers, even those whose first language is English, tend to fill their work with $50 words, when a 5 cent one would have work just as well. I'm glad that this made sense to you as it is one of the basic teachings of all schools of Buddhism. I hope the rest of the threads also make sense to everyone.

Shatril

Madjek
January 5th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Shatril that wonderful info...I was wondering about what those preliminaries were.... :huh:

Aleigh
January 23rd, 2005, 03:27 PM
Shatril that wonderful info...I was wondering about what those preliminaries were.... :huh:
Me too! :lol:

Anubis RainHawk
February 21st, 2005, 12:07 AM
Very interesting, Shatril! I just have some questions about this lesson.


All other existences, such as animal, or hungry spirit have huge limitations on the ability to study and practice the Dharma and accumulate good karma for good placement in future lives.

Buddhism doen't consider humans to be animals? Aren't we mamals? Also, what is Dharma? I think I remember reading that it mean cosmic law. Is that correct? In addition, I was wondering if there were any Buddhist beliefs in who or what controls Karma. I'm guessing Buddhist believe that each individual person contrals their own Karma, but who or what makes sure each person gets the deserved karma?


If you do good, you'll be happy
If you do bad, you'll suffer pain.
Are there specific Buddhist teachings as to what is "good" or "bad". If not, it really leaves a lot to the seeker.

Anubis RainHawk

Shatril
February 21st, 2005, 09:01 PM
OK Anubis here is a start on some of your questions. I also gave a couple of links that will give you lots more to chew on.


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All other existences, such as animal, or hungry spirit have huge limitations on the ability to study and practice the Dharma and accumulate good karma for good placement in future lives.


Buddhism doesn’t consider humans to be animals? Aren't we mammals? We are not speaking biologically in this instance, as I have no idea what Buddhist biologist think of man. I think we can all agree that man has a certain something that other organisms on this earth do not have. One is the ability to know right from wrong, suffer from jealousy, hatred, covetousness and the like, while reveling in love and kindness. We can learn without having to repeat a task multiple times till we get the picture. We can learn to train our minds to think in different patterns that will eliminate suffering. This is what is mean by a good birth. In a human existence we have every opportunity to build up good karma, which is tough in animal or hungry spirit form, and humans can reach enlightenment, which cannot be accomplished in any other of the many possibilities of reincarnated existences.

Also, what is Dharma? I think I remember reading that it means cosmic law Is that correct? . Dharma — The Teaching. The nature of reality;

In addition, I was wondering if there were any Buddhist beliefs in who or what controls Karma. I'm guessing Buddhist believe that each individual person controls their own Karma, but who or what makes sure each person gets the deserved karma? You are making me scratch my head, cuz I’m not sure how to answer this one. I believe that we are in control of our actions, and how and how much karma we accumulate. As for what draws up the tally, I’m not even sure. Buddhist don’t make any speculation about creations and first beginnings. Maybe this will help. http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/intro_bud.htm Like I never considered asking who was the guy or gal in charge of karma. Maybe Shanti or WanderiinGray will answer for this.

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If you do good, you'll be happyIf you do bad, you'll suffer pain.


Are there specific Buddhist teachings as to what is "good" or "bad". If not, it really leaves a lot to the seeker.
The Five Hindrances
1. Sense craving;
2. Ill-will;
3. Sloth and Torpor;
4, Restlessness and Worry;
5. Toxic doubt and the ruthless inner critic.
Buddhist love lists as you can see from the writings here, and here is a list of lists. These answer some of your questions. http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/pathmaps.htm

Shanti
February 21st, 2005, 11:13 PM
Very interesting, Shatril! I Agree!! :)


Buddhism doen't consider humans to be animals? Aren't we mamals? But a type that has an existance where as we have the ability to manipulate just about everthing so we have more to ponder as to how we live.
Also, what is Dharma? I think I remember reading that it mean cosmic law. Is that correct? In addition, I was wondering if there were any Buddhist beliefs in who or what controls Karma. I'm guessing Buddhist believe that each individual person contrals their own Karma, but who or what makes sure each person gets the deserved karma?
To me I interpet Dharma as the truth. The truth we feel is for us. Our individual truth of what is correct or not for us and all the answers we seek.
I dont believe in Karma as is typicle. To me it is simply cause and effect and if you kick the dog, it may bite.
There is no bad or good karma in my feelings for myself. Just simple cause and effect.


Are there specific Buddhist teachings as to what is "good" or "bad". If not, it really leaves a lot to the seeker. Actually some sects have pretty strick 'rules' of right and wrong. The Tebetan I follow, leaves it up to the individual to find the answers to what is right or wrong.

Anubis RainHawk
February 21st, 2005, 11:34 PM
Thanks Shatril and Shanti! That's very helpful :D


You are making me scratch my head, cuz I’m not sure how to answer this one. I believe that we are in control of our actions, and how and how much karma we accumulate. As for what draws up the tally, I’m not even sure. Buddhist don’t make any speculation about creations and first beginnings. Maybe this will help. http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/intro_bud.htm Like I never considered asking who was the guy or gal in charge of karma. Maybe Shanti or WanderiinGray will answer for this.

That's what I was thinking. I was even considering the idea that we really create our own karma. What I mean by that because our actions have effects, maybe the effect just instantly reacts. Like maybe it's not even a "supernatural" kind of a thing. Maybe it's just like any other human action. Is that possible?

Shanti
February 22nd, 2005, 12:35 AM
Thanks Shatril and Shanti! That's very helpful :D



That's what I was thinking. I was even considering the idea that we really create our own karma. What I mean by that because our actions have effects, maybe the effect just instantly reacts. Like maybe it's not even a "supernatural" kind of a thing. Maybe it's just like any other human action. Is that possible?
Is that possible? I want to hug you!! :)
We all search and ask these questions and the tricky part...who knows?
What I think is right to me may change tomorrow because I believe anything is possible and we cant be 100 per cent guaranteed till we go find out ourselves. We can only 'feel' for the answers and go with what feels right for now.
Today I think karma is simple cause and effect and doesnt have anything to do with our state of spirit, but tomorrow, something might tell me to feel different.
Who knows. I just go with what seems to make sense to me for now. Thats we all are doing in our search for answers.
As long as you are following with what you think is the right answer for you, for now, thats all that matters and even saying I have no clue, which I use often, is good too cause your still searching. Heck I am still searching even though I feel comfortable with my perspectives for the most part, today. But if I stop searching, I limit the chance to find new!

See for me karma is often based on good and bad, which I feel is just a human opinion. Since spirit is not human and is a totally different form of existence, I dont think the opinion of good or bad follows there. Theres a purpose to everything to me, even if a human finds the purpose evil or bad. Heck with all I know spirit existence may play by a hole different set of rules, or maybe none at all!!!!

Shatril
February 23rd, 2005, 07:56 PM
What I find interesting about the concept of good and evil, is that it changes with the times. I think that we can all agree that exposing babies on the sides mountains to the elements, and leaving them there to starve or be eaten my wild animals is apalling/evil. However, it wasn't so many centuries ago that deformed and sickly babies were treated just that way, and it was considerd the right thing to do. The other one is slavery. Not many years ago, slavery was accepted as a way of life, but now most of us agree that it is evil. What we consider a perfectly acceptable practice now, may some day be consider extremely evil (how about pollution of our earth for one).