A warning to Trad Elders, Solitaries, and Eclectics alike

[Sarah82]

consider this removed

[novena]

As if these mind games weren't enough this man possesses several other mundane issues, such as being an overdrinker. I don't want to say alcoholic, but I have never seen him sober for longer than a half hour. Being tipsy is one thing, but actually being blasted before, during, and after ritual, to the pointwhere you make such disruptions in circle like yelling out " i love lesbians" and "i'd turn gay for you"- is simply not acceptable. Nor is being the kind of person to encourage group members to flash you and take pictures knowing that one of them is underage, or allowing other underage group members to drink... even encouraging them that they -must- drink from the chalice regardless of the fact that it has alcohol in it. Forcing people to take part in rituals they feel uncomfortable in and then slighting them for abstaining from doing things that they didnt understand or feel comfortable doing while in the ritual.

If this is indeed the case -- that he is providing alcohol to minors and photographing them nude (did I understand that correctly?) -- then he is breaking the law. I would absolutely contact the parents of the youths in question to advise them of what is going on.

Contacting the authorities is a bit tricky, as you don't want all covens to get a bad name in the press because of the actions of one person, but the safety and well-being of these kids has to be a priority. I would leave this decision in the hands of the parents, and offer your assistance as a witness to these activities as necessary.

[WandererInGray]

I usually don't trust people who talk about others behind their backs. *shrugs* But that's just me.

[Sarah82]

I usually don't trust people who talk about others behind their backs. *shrugs* But that's just me.

I don't know whether to take that as meaning you distrust me for writing all this, or you would distrust someone like him who makes a habit out of doing such.

If you are referencing me, I have not named any names for the potential of a legal dispute which I have no desire to get in the middle of, and because I believe it is far more credible to believe that I am a person of good character if I leave name dropping out it and stick to encouraging people to be on their feet and keep their eyes peeled for certain activites and mannerisms. Since he knows and knew that I would contact his elders before I actually did, and was sent copies of what passed between us I would say that he has been well informed of my intentions and what I am saying and will say about him when asked.

If you were referencing his kind of actions I applaud your skeptism.
I appalud it regardless actually, but sometimes it -is- necessary to take the word of another, I just think you should take the time to determine the character of the person who's word you are willing to trust before you yeild to thier persuation.

[Sarah82]

If this is indeed the case -- that he is providing alcohol to minors and photographing them nude (did I understand that correctly?) -- then he is breaking the law. I would absolutely contact the parents of the youths in question to advise them of what is going on.

Contacting the authorities is a bit tricky, as you don't want all covens to get a bad name in the press because of the actions of one person, but the safety and well-being of these kids has to be a priority. I would leave this decision in the hands of the parents, and offer your assistance as a witness to these activities as necessary.

I think the issue is that many of the minors parents are either unaware of the teens activities, I live in the south and therefor telling mommy and daddy baptist "i want to go to a wiccan ritual' is not going to fly. Now, I personally would not have allowed a minor to attend without consent, but I was not actually there, I saw the pictures and talked to her friends on the matter and we discussed the level of inappropriateness, and what if anything could have been done before or after. What was determined was that had the whole group known her age, and been allowed to vote on it, rather than the man being allowed to control the invite list and people being allowed to bring whoever they want- nothing could have been done besides someone having the thought to take the girl home. I am rather upset that no one did, but its not like I was there to help or control the situation. I have often felt that this group is short on responsible adults, which is also part of why I left.

[novena]

Still, if this man has taken photographs of unclothed youths (whom he knew to be underage), there is no telling what else he has going on. Even if this is the extent of it, he has broken the law, and someone should step in to take action to ensure that further abuses do not take place -- for the sake of the kids, and to get this man some help.

[WandererInGray]

Nope I was talking about you.

I don't know either of you from Adam. *shakes head* And have no reason to believe your story about him as true or untrue.

I just find it distasteful for anyone to post these kinds of "warnings" regardless of if names are named or not. I always have and I always will. There's no way to prove the truth of them one way or the other and I've seen too many times where people start up the pitchfork mob for someone who did nothing but become the victim of someone else's spite.

(it should be obvious, but I'll say it anyway, I'm not saying you are lying about this particular person, just that there's absolutely no way to know one way or the other)

[Lunacie]

I agree. There are too many personal details for this to be a simple warning.

[sari0009]

While I understand your professed motivation, your message was lacking details, unclear, long, somewhat rambling, as well as being full of hearsay, second person perceptions/info, opinions and so on ... To the point that your message is quite probably vastly unusable.

Additionally, questions arise such as were appropriate and timely responses taken? For example, were police called when said individual was trying to force alcohol on minors? That's only one question out of many I could ask.

Generally, presenting yourself in this manner and posting it to the wrong audience (another group) is considered unwise and suspicious, damaging your credibility before you even got anything off the ground past the first message of the thread.

[stephy-sama]

While I understand your professed motivation, your message was lacking details, unclear, long, somewhat rambling, as well as being full of hearsay, second person perceptions/info, opinions and so on ... To the point that your message is quite probably vastly unusable.

Additionally, questions arise such as were appropriate and timely responses taken? For example, were police called when said individual was trying to force alcohol on minors? That's only one question out of many I could ask.

Generally, presenting yourself in this manner and posting it to the wrong audience (another group) is considered unwise and suspicious, damaging your credibility before you even got anything off the ground past the first message of the thread.

Not to mention this is her first thread ever and she just joined recently.

I never find threads like this interesting, but if I were going to take this remotly seriously I would just like to know more about the person posting.

[Sarah82]

Still, if this man has taken photographs of unclothed youths (whom he knew to be underage), there is no telling what else he has going on. Even if this is the extent of it, he has broken the law, and someone should step in to take action to ensure that further abuses do not take place -- for the sake of the kids, and to get this man some help.

the girl was 17 at the time, and he was drunk at the time and acting retarded.
Like i said before, unfortunately as far as group matters go -I- can't do anything because I haven't been there or been personally invested in the group for some time now outside of caring for what happens to my young friends.

[Sarah82]

Actually my old name on the board was StormChaser but i changed email addresses and forgot my old password. You can look that profile up if you like.

[Sarah82]

or the kind of person to misguide the masses for any reason in some sort of personal vendetta I don't think I would have avoided using names. That makes no sense, although this story is indeed full of details, they are truthful and as far as I can see necessary in pointing out a lot of warning signs to be wary of.

Yes i think that this individual should be watched out for, yes I'd love to take him to court for some of his actions, no, it is unfortunate but the community here is small and scared to take action, it would be my word and 2 other minors against his and a rebelling 17 year olds although several other adults were present, nothing would come of it.

Is there a chance in hell anyone here or otherwise would know him upon first seeing him or talking to him? No, not from anything i've said could you know who he is. There are hundreds of garnerian students out there, and probably at least a hundred in the general vicinity of oh say... the entire gulf coast region that are online.

I find it very sick, sad, and depressing that this entire post is being flushed down the toilet based on these two issues, oh yes, and my credibility too... I find that very good as well.
I'm not new to mysticwicks, I've been on the board for ages. When i got married, pregnant, and had my daughter my time online significantly decreased and I changed email addresses, forgot my old password, the best i can do is say "Look up the ident "stormchaser" thats me-

[Ahautenites]

I'm still in the dark about what this thread is even for.

If someone is doing something illegal, report them to the authorities. If someone is doing something that isn't illegal but that you don't like, don't associate with them. If someone is doing something that you're not sure is wrong, but that is suspicious, report it to the authorities and let THEM decide. End of story. Why the need for the dramatic long post about a person you say yourself we will probably never know or recognize?

Wait... You'd love to take action against him, but the community there is scared? **blinks** What does "community" have to do with anything when someone is doing something wrong that is hurting others? You're concerned enough to post a warning to people who can't do a damned thing to help you, and yet you won't contact those who can? That's just dumb. Stop being spineless and doubtful, and go tell your story to the authorities so THEY can do what ought to be done. At worst, you waste their time and feel a little foolish. At best, they lock this guy up on any number of charges so he can't hurt anyone else. Do what needs to be done. The online warning post is not the proper action in this instance.