A question..

[mol]

What did the stars tell us last week? On that day sorrow...Sept. 11th ?

[Swanspirit]

Name: 911
Born: 9-11-2001 at 8:45 AM TimeZone: GMT-5 [Standard Time]
Longitude: 074W01 Latitude: 40N43
Birth Julian Day: 2452164.07 GMST: 13:08 LMST: 8:12

NATAL ECLIPTIC LONGITUDE AND EQUATORIAL DECLINATION :

LONGITUDE: DECLINATION: HOUSE: RETROGRADE:
Sun 18 VIR 53 04 N 24 11 NO
Moon 28 GEM 36 23 N 02 9 NO
Mercury 14 LIB 20 07 S 15 12 NO
Venus 18 LEO 27 15 N 47 10 NO
Mars 01 CAP 27 26 S 48 3 NO
Jupiter 11 CAN 35 22 N 44 9 NO
Saturn 14 GEM 48 20 N 48 8 NO
Uranus 21 AQU 50 14 S 57 4 YES
Neptune 06 AQU 22 18 S 34 4 YES
Pluto 12 SAG 31 12 S 09 2 NO
Ascendant 26 LIB 00 N/A 1 N/A
MidHeaven 00 LEO 40 N/A 10 N/A

PLANETARY ASPECTS :

Sun Square Saturn Orb = 4° 05'
Sun Square Pluto Orb = 6° 22'
Moon Opposite Mars Orb = 2° 51'
Moon Trine Uranus Orb = 6° 45'
Moon Trine Ascendant Orb = 2° 35'
Mercury Sextile Venus Orb = 4° 07'
Mercury Square Jupiter Orb = 2° 45'
Mercury Trine Saturn Orb = 0° 28'
Mercury Sextile Pluto Orb = 1° 48'
Venus Sextile Saturn Orb = 3° 39'
Venus Opposite Uranus Orb = 3° 23'
Venus Trine Pluto Orb = 5° 56'
Mars Sextile Ascendant Orb = 5° 27'
Saturn Opposite Pluto Orb = 2° 16'
Uranus Trine Ascendant Orb = 4° 10'
Neptune Sextile Pluto Orb = 6° 10'
Neptune Opposite MidHeaven Orb = 5° 41'

NOTE: The Ascendent is the first House Cusp.
The Midheaven is the tenth House Cusp.

HOUSE CUSPS FOR THE PLACIDUS SYSTEM :
HOUSE: HOUSE CUSP:
1 26 LIB 00
2 23 SCO 56
3 26 SAG 01
4 00 AQU 40
5 03 PIS 56
6 02 ARI 31
7 26 ARI 00
8 23 TAU 56
9 26 GEM 01
10 00 LEO 40
11 03 VIR 56
12 02 LIB 31

ELEMENTS :
FIRE Venus Pluto MidHeaven
EARTH Sun Mars
AIR Moon Mercury Saturn Uranus Neptune Ascendant
WATER Jupiter

MODALITIES :
CARDINAL Mercury Mars Jupiter Ascendant
FIXED Venus Uranus Neptune MidHeaven
MUTABLE Sun Moon Saturn Pluto

PARALLEL ASPECTS :
Venus PARALLEL Uranus 0° 50'


Name: 911
Born: 9-11-2001 at 8:45 AM TimeZone: GMT-5 [Standard Time]

CHARACTER:

The native is a very methodical and practical person, who pays
meticulous attention to every detail in life. Like other Virgoans,
when natives do a job they do it very well and take great pride in
their accomplishments, doing their utmost to rely on themselves
before seeking help from others. "Perfection" is important to the
Virgoan, thus, natives are very cautious in entering any type of
relationship. They may very well search long and hard for a mate
(business or romantic) who satisfies their discriminating tastes.
After finding this mate, the Virgoan may go overboard with
affections.
Sun square Saturn inspires selfishness and egocentricity. Unless
other signs in the chart are favorable, this results in frustration,
pessimism, and ill-health. If they endure this and learn to love,
they will truly be resurrected.
Sun square Pluto natives try to impose their will on others. Being
domineering and expecting perfection from others, they can be
critical to the point of fostering resentment. They are apt to be
aggressive with the opposite sex.


DISPOSITION:

With Moon in Gemini, the emotional response of natives to life is
like a pendulum shifting and swinging constantly. They respond to
every change in the emotional environment, but more often than not
fail to commit themselves to any one thing in particular. As a rule,
they are restless and are given more to thinking up practical
solutions to problems than to weighty, abstract discussions. Thus,
natives are readily able to tackle problems and move quickly to
other events waiting them. As such, they may frequently be called on
by others to bail them out.
Moon opposite Mars natives must combat a tendency to be
argumentative and annoyed by trivialities. They tend to have little
self control and may wind up in financial difficulties as a result.
They may have a problem with alcohol.
Moon trine Uranus natives have strong personal magnetism and
effervescent personalities. Energetic and inventive, these people do
not lead conventional lives. They are friendly and often inspire
others.


MENTALITY:

With Mercury in Libra, natives communicate easily with others
since their interest in others thoughts and feelings is great.
Honesty and frankness are very important to these people as a way of
dealing fairly and equitably with friends and associates. As a rule,
natives tend to look at all aspects of a problem before making a
decision. Thus, they may vacillate between options and be paralyzed
to act. With practice, however, natives' decisions are wise and
productive, serving them well in their endeavors.
Mercury sextile Venus bestows a harmony between the mind and
feelings, instilling literary, artistic and musical talent into
natives. They are likely to sing well and may compose music.
Mercury square Jupiter natives are good natured but tend to be
foolhardy and procrastinate. Sometimes they speak foolishly when
they should listen. If they learn pragmatism, they can channel
themselves into constructive pursuits.
Mercury trine Saturn natives are highly motivated individuals with
strong organizational ability as well as an attention to details.
They are bright, disciplined people with dextrous hands. They make
good engineers and designers.
Mercury sextile Pluto confers a penetrating mind and an
exceptional concentration to natives which enables them to
comprehend the inner workings of complex systems. They are also
inventive and eloquent in speech.


AFFECTIONS:

With Venus in Leo, natives are natural romantics who enjoy the
excitement and challenge of meeting new people. The spotlight is
their favorite place to show off their witty love of life in both
social and romantic climates. Natives may tend to be attracted to
people, though, who only make them look good. Friendly and outgoing,
natives are naturally compassionate to all they meet while remaining
loyal to loved ones and family. Generally, their affections for
others, which are usually demonstrative, frank and open, stay fixed
for a long time.
Venus sextile Mercury natives are calm, diplomatic and friendly.
Although they are good communicators, they are apt to be superficial
unless the rest of the chart contradicts this.
Venus sextile Saturn natives are very loyal and willing to make
sacrifices for others. A profound spiritual beauty emerges slowly
through life. Because of their impeccable character, these people
make long lasting relationships.
Venus opposite Uranus natives tend to be unstable and may
experience sudden breakups in romance and probably divorce. They may
have erotic desires and thrive on personal freedom. They tend to be
extravagant.
Venus trine Pluto confers a lofty, intense ability to love and
natives are very romantic. When they meet the right person, they are
very affectionate and have strong drives to make love. They often
elevate those around them.


PERSONALITY:

With Libra on the Ascendent, natives appear unassuming and shy
around others. However, they strongly desire companionship and tend
to get along very well with compatriots. These people like to please
friends and many times will do things which, in their minds, is most
fair and equitable since strife of any kind usually upsets natives a
great deal. Their deep feelings about loved ones extend to work and
career as well. Thus, they are most happy when they feel their work
is benefiting both society as well as themselves. Also, natives
express strong feeling about family but tend to think with their
practically where romantic relationships are involved.


GENERAL INFORMATION:

A balanced number of planets in Fire Signs in the native's chart
indicates a blending of realism and compromise, making for a
diplomatic yet assertive individual.
The lack of Earth elements in the natal chart, though, indicates
natives who may have difficulty in managing the many details of life
because they focus on the 'bigger picture'.
A concentration of planets in Air elements indicates an
intellectually oriented person. Logic and common sense, rather than
emotions, rule.
Furthermore, the lack of planets in Water elements gives the
native an air of stoicism and an inability to express emotions which
are buried beneath the surface.

Now you have to understand that my little program that does these doeasnt do "events" so that the event in question is referrred to as a person but I think you have the perspicacity to deal with that.........
Also Liz Greene using this time .....
says.... the Saturn-Pluto opposition presiding in the heavens at the moment, which carries unpleasantconnotations for astrologers due to its historical coincidence with outbreaks of war. The conjunction of these planets in 1914
accompanied the start of World War One; the conjunction of 1946 occurred right after the end of World War Two, when the real
devastation of the Holocaust became known; and the opposition in the mid-1960s coincided with the Vietnam War.
Another thing that is notable in the chart which is one of my pet peeves as far interpretations go is a GRAND TRINE.....in AIR signs . Traditionally a grand trine makes for EASE of OPERATIONS.... and many people interpret that as a gift when they find it in their charts..........but I think you can see where it just creates EASE and the energy input is contingent on the individual.......
The Sun is squaring Saturn and PLuto........
Saturn in Gemini and PLuto in SAgittarius.....
which creates difficulties in communications and alignment with generational ideologies ....... can be interpreted ( and this is definitely monday morning quarterbacking here )as really missing the boat as far what will be communicated.....or intent....
and a quick run down of planet placements from me ... and remember that every sign has its manifestations in what I prefer to call evolved or less evolved manifestations....
Sun in Virgo.... detail oriented and time of harvest..grim tho it may be let the goddess harvest unto her each and every suffering soul....
Moon in Gemini....psychology of plurality the Twins....
Venus in Leo.... can be shallow wanting a display
Mars in Capricorn .... can be methodical ..sign of the builder .....can be goal oriented and lose sight of emotions.....
Jupiter in Cancer..... a misguided attempt to gain sympathy from the world for a cause seeing yourself as th victim while perpetrating abuse..
Saturn in Gemini...... again the duality and really here is the TOWER CARD ......Saturn is the LESSON or TEACHER....(tears are coming now this is hard.)
Uranus in Aquarius...... the planet of shocks and unpleasant surprises in the sign of the unexpected..RETROGRADE
Neptune in Aquarius.. the planet of higher consciousness in the sign of the unexpected RETROGRADE
PLuto in Sagittarius......a generational placement lasting for over twenty five years....
but Sag being the sign of swift movement.. the old swept away in a moment.....mutable fire......also the teacher .....
I am hoping against hope that one of the LARGEST LESSONS to come out of this debacle is that we CAN NO LONGER DEPEND ON FOSSIL FUELS and I am hoping that is one of the lessons we must learn and that we learn no more lessons by the means we have this past week.
Love and Tears
Swannie

[Mairwen]

What do fossil fuels have to do with anything?

[Swanspirit]

Fossil fuel (oil) is responsible for the Arab world being rich..........every time we fill our tanks we are indirectly fueling this and every war over there and some terroroist activities and polluting and raping the earth as well..... I know this is MUCH more complicated and involves oil wealth here as well.....
if we had alternative sources of energy that didnt pollute...... if we could put billions of dollares at the disposal of researchers for solar powered cars instead of into a war effort...........this world would be a much different place ...... as I envision it ......
You might not agree with me ..... but that is how I see it .........
{{{{{{{Mairwen}}}}}}}}
Love and Light
Swannie

[Methanespirit]

Mol; what you have asked is the common dilemma of all Astrologers. Why was this attack at this time and not at any other? Is this the type of thing that the stellar influences definitely show? And how is it that we are to discern the prophetic message of the stars during this time? One can go through their ephemeris and find many other times that could indicate the same fate for any area of the world, including NYC. So , if our Astrology is valid there must be a significant indication present at this specific time that wasn't present during other similiar planetary alignements in the past.

Of course, hind-sight is 20/20, but foresight to an important event is sometimes purposely not revelaed to us. It has occured with this Astrologer many times in the past, just as in this case, where something significant was in the offing but it was not acknowledged at the most critical time. It is as though Divine Providence does not want to reveal it to us. Other than feeling sick for about a month before the attack occured, it was not known what the (psychic) ill-feeling was about. It didn't let up until I had heard about the attack on the 11th. Just as now I'm fighting another "sickness" which is believed to do with the repercussions of the attack. For this reason, I have not been on this message board, because of getting facts confused when not feelign well.

Now for some hind- sight Astrology. Using the Sidereal Solar ingress into the Sidereal sign of Leo, which occured on Aug 17th at 14:51:07 UT. , we have the Sidereal Moon at 8*37'36" Cancer. This position should in itself, indicate something sinister because of the 8th degree of the Sidereal Cardinal signs always indicates the activities of a dictator. (Adolph Hitler had his birth Sun at 8 degrees of Aries, for an example.) The longitude of the Moon yields a prophetic position of 17*38' 24 " Capricorn. Now when the Sidereal Astrologer calculates the time that the transiting Moon returns back to the 8*37'36" Cancer, this constitutes a Mundane Lunar Return , or as I call it , an "Ing-lunar". Placing the time of this return fort the Los Angeles, San Francisco meridian (which were also on the attack list for the day). places near 3 degrees Aquarius on the ascendant and 17 degrees of Scorpio on the Midheaven (conunct Pluto, crisis, opposed Saturn, losses). At the time of the attack, we had transiting Mars (aggression) at about 6* degrees Sagittarius, with the Moon (public knowledge) at about 3 degrees Gemini (opposing Mars), of which both were aspected near the degree, of the Ascendant and Moon of the Mundane Lunar Return. Note also, the 17th degree of Scorpio is aspected to the prophetic point of 17 degrees of Capricorn. It has been reported that Bin Laden's birth Sun is somewhere about 17 degrees of Cancer!
Now for the NYC and Washington DC meridians, we have an ascendant of l7 * Aries, and 0 * Capricorn, of which similiar aspects are active in the places where the attacks were actually carried out. What is most significant for the NYC location is the angularity of the 17 deg. of Capricorn, aspected to the Pluto/Saturn opposition, quartered the Asc. I have seen this kind of set-up before, in that the most important points of the chart appear to be the nonagesimals and east/west points. That these areas are critical to pin-point where an event of importance is to take place.


What is attempting to be shown here is the near EXACT tie-ins' with all the aspected angular cusps of the mundane Lunar chart to that of the transiting planets. One could find other tie-ins' that have not been pointed out here. However, even with all of this, is it indicative of an attack on a site in NYC? This is where Sidereal research needs be be done with more examples of similiar events, such as the Hiroshima bomb blast of Aug 5, 1945, or the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on Dec. 7th 1941. The goal is not only to indicate what can be found without any pre-conceived (traditional) notions , but to look for obvious repetitious patterns in the Sidereal heavens that could indicate such events.

[Swanspirit]

as far as I can see is in question.
Interpol gives his Birth date as March 10 1957...... is that the one you are working with ???...... would put him in Pisces conventionally which is not unheard of ..... Joseph Mengele was a Pisces ..... the sign of self-delusion.....and would explain why he is so good at hiding ....among other things....
However that date (although I think it applies and is the one I use for him) is also in dispute..... but the alternative would put him in Leo .....sidereal probably Virgo which doesnt fit anywhere nearly as well as the "sneaky strike and run, Pisces "
are you using Roddens dates?? I have been doing some research on his chart with IOLO maybe we can pursuade him to share some thoughts as well.....
Love and light
Swannie

[Mairwen]

Swan ~ I direct your attention here:

http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Shopping_and_Services/Automotive/Specialty_Vehicles/Alternative_Fuel_Vehicles/Electric_Vehicles/Makers/

[Swanspirit]

makes you wonder why we are still dependent on oil doesnt it ........ solar power energy research was deliberately squelched and NOW all you have to do is type in alternative energy in your search engine and see the incredible array of offerings..... so many people are frantically pursuing it now...... There is a machine on the shores of Scotland that derives energy from the motion of the waves ...... so that source isnt even "renewable" it is infinite as well as solar is.........we could have had this tehnology in place......
Love and Light
Swannie

[Mairwen]

In Oroville, California, they have a really cool energy source they built using the Feather River. It uses a "wave motion" process, too, and is very interesting to watch. :D

[Swanspirit]

But isnt it incredible that IF WE BUT PAID ATTENTION all that we need is right here provided by our MOST SACRED MOTHER ..... and we dont have to RAPE or despoil her in any way it is freely given.........all we as humans have to do is find the right way to use it..... and that by using the gifts we already have ... our minds combined with hearts and souls.......makes me want to weep......
Love and Light
Swannie

[Methanespirit]

Swannie; Bin Laden's birth data is a definite indefinite! Chiron and friend's, web site, have been speculating on his data, and I have used what was most likely, at least to me, to be the correct information. This is the reason I stated that, "it has been reported." The March 10th date (1957) places him in Sidereal Aquarius (25*). Statistics show that most people under this sign, even the evil ones, are not prone to engineer this type of carnage, especially through delegation. Most of their mal-deeds are carried out through local and personal actions (not international activities) with deception and mis-information which is used (supposedly) to be an example of leadership for their followers. ( An example of this is the nativity and history of Charles Taze Russell, born 2/16./1865, the founder of the Watch Tower Society). Although I cannot rule out this date, it does seem to me to be in error. There have been subsequently two more birth dates offered, both placing his birth Sun in sidereal Cancer, (7-30-57 and 7-28-57.) In a terrorist's chart, we can expect to find some Moon to Mars, Neptune, Mercury, and or Saturn arrangement with one or both Luminaries in a Cardinal sign (Sidereal). That the 28 th of July '57 places the Sun at 12 degrees Cancer with the Moon, Mars and Uranus also in that sign, and possibly Ascending or at least angular as well. This seems to be the most likely one , if any of the 3 dates are correct, which, again, is not a definite, and because all the expected terorist nativity elements also fall into place

Here are the approximate Sidereal elements to the July 28th chart: (to convert to Tropical zodiac, subtract 6* and jump to the next sign). Sun 10* Cancer; Moon 22*Cancer; Mercury 2* Leo; Venus 8* Leo, Mars 28* Cancer; Jupiter 4* Virgo; Saturn 14* Scorpio; Uranus 13* Cancer; Neptune 5* Libra; Pluto 5* Leo; Chiron (emotional captivation) 21* Capricorn. One specific element of peculiar importance in this chart is the placement of Saturn, being on top of the star Antares, at 15* Scorpio. Any planet or luminary located at this special degree of the constellation Scorpio ( or its opposite Aldebaran , 15* Taurus) is always denoted by being extra persistant and dynamic in its influence. Saturn located here, especially if being accented with the prophetic point would add all the more sinister force to such a potentially destructive placement.

Without going into delineations of the various Asteroids, the one known as Pallas is typically a revengefull influence. For the 7/28/57 data, it places Pallas at 12* Aries, which is a typical placement for such a personality as Bin Laden, being squared the Sun and Uranus and possibly being angular, as well.

If this data is correct, we also have transiting Neptune influencing his chart, which is denoted in the other delineations about the progressed planets. Specifically, we have a need to break out of the usual mode of operation and taking a speculative chance at attempting to instigate something new. This could represent a definite error in judgement on his part, as is typical with Neptune.

[Swanspirit]

It gets difficult for astrologers isnt it??
Arrrrrrghhhhh not only an indefinite birth date ..... SO PISCEAN ..... but when you sidereal ohhh MY........
even the other date...... would put him Leo in the Tropical System......and that just doesnt seem to fit ..........
From Ye ole Starmeister IOLO "Hey.....the only thing I can find so far was from
Jeffrey Wolf Green's astrological posting
board....someone wrote that they did a chart on Mrs.
bin Laden's bad boy for March 3, 1957.....but that was
because of a prediction by Nostradamus...who said that
this person would have 3 water signs or
something....and that chart yields sun--moon--and asc.
in water.....he did the chart for Jiddah, Saudi Arabia
at 12:05 AM.

Unfortunately, "officially" they have his birth in
the Islamic year of 1377....so that gives either 1957
0r 1958..... Moslems, although their ancestors
nearly invented modern astrology, view it as
heresy...so they don't seem to keep track of things
like birthdates and times...unless it would matter for
succession in some of the peerages or royal
households... Also the "official" birth data says he
was born in Riyadh....not Jiddah

Apparently there is a chart floating around done by
someone named Pandit Nandkishore Nanuram
Sharma....which may have the correct data..."
So what are we to do but speculate but intuitively I think it is interesting we are both coming up with water signs........
I am going to stick with the MArch 10 date for future purposes ........ it really has some potential as I see it ...... will be interesting to compare notes...... I wish IOLO would get into this thread !!!!!!!!! ( he knew Isabel Hickey and Dane Rhudyar ya know ) Then again where is Robert HAnd when we need him LOL

Love and HUGS
Swannie

[mol]

Thanks to all of you for the great info. Everything in this thread has been useful.

[Mairwen]

From a list I'm on, set by a person I trust with Astrology:


one thing that i noted as being (maybe) odd was the moon changing signs on september 11th... at around 11 a.m. eastern the moon went from the sign of Gemini (the twins - Twin Towers?) into cancer (protective shell - the Pentagon?)... i dunno.. i am afraid of reading too much into the symbolism..
but it struck me as "odd"...

[Lilu]

Wow, that's interesting Mairwen! Freaky too. And a week later the new moon entered Libra - time of new beginnings but also of justice?

BB
Lilu

[Swanspirit]

That is exactly what astrologers do......
read the symbols and signs and interpret them......the moon was actually void of course during that time ........ so according to tradition whatever was begun at that time will not have the desired outcome .......
So it isnt odd at all .......... you have potential :>
Love and Light
Swannie

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Lilu
Wow, that's interesting Mairwen! Freaky too. And a week later the new moon entered Libra - time of new beginnings but also of justice?

That's what I'm thinking. Look how this has changed things.

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
So it isnt odd at all .......... you have potential :>

Uh, Swan. I didn't write that. I forwarded it. But, fwiw, I've been studying Astrology for 15 years.

[Swanspirit]

I wasnt sure where the forward ended and your comments began .......... but at any rate........ wonderful!!! another person who speaks astrologese..........:)
Love and light
Swannie

[AngelsBratt]

Sorry its taken me awhile to get back to you, but wanted to thank you for doing my natal chart! Very informative, and told me a few things I didn't know!!!!!! Wanna do my sons now????


If you want to here is his info!

date of birth: 2-19-83
time:11:42pm
place: Mattoon Illinois
Day: Saturday

I'd really love to know what his is! Thanks Angel

[Litha]

MethaneSpirit is very correct, this is a question being discussed avidly in the astrology circles. Wolfstar's newscope has this to say

Trade Centers, Pentagon Hit by Terrorist Attacks

In what is already being referred as the Second Pearl Harbor, at least four hijacked Boeing passenger jets were commandeered Tuesday morning and sent crashing into the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon. The twin towers collapsed, the FAA grounded all domestic flights, and President Bush, leading politicians and military personnel went into seclusion while the nation went
on full alert.

From the astrological perspective, the outer planet opposition between Saturn and Pluto represents the fundamental celestial tension leading up to the current situation. The last time that Saturn and Pluto were in a dynamic aspect to each other was also when the World Trade Center was first hit by a car bomb on February 26, 1993.
In each case, both Saturn and Pluto were making near exact links to the U.S. Scorpio Rising horoscope (2:21 pm; July 4, 1776; Philadelphia).

The technical numbers: In the 1993 event Saturn was only one half degree from an exact inconjunction to the U.S. Neptune, and Pluto was only 0 degrees and 03 minutes from exactly squaring the U.S. Moon. The current catastrophe shows Transiting Saturn only 0 degrees and 03 minutes from an exact trine to natal
Saturn, and transiting Pluto only 0 degrees and 05 minutes from an exact octile (semi-square) to natal Pluto.

The sheer magnitude of the disaster has a vast array of additional planetary indicators to underscore the seriousness of the event, especially to the U.S. horoscope. Venus is the natural representative of the financial centers, and the transiting Lunar Node axis was perfectly aligned with the U.S. Venus.

Transiting Mercury conjunct the U.S. Saturn activated the near exact trine from transiting Saturn already in place. Saturn represents the nation's institutional structures. Transiting Jupiter, nearly conjunct the U.S. Sun was also inconjunct transiting Pluto: Jupiter-Pluto aspects have a notorious link to terrorism based on a religious or ideological agenda.

Perhaps most importantly, transiting Uranus in the fourth house of the home territory has brought a regular cycle of domestic unrest and violence. This 84 year cycle last came to fruition in 1917 when the U.S. was off to war, and the worst influenza epidemic in history was initiated, some say due to terrorism.

At the moment, transiting Uranus is in the 4th house and trine to Mars, the planet most commonly seen in such violent events. Transiting Uranus and natal Mars are in air signs, and reflect the incident's relation to the airline industry. Uranus takes several years to complete its passage through a house, and by February 2002 reaches the U.S. Moon where it brings the most
disruption. Uranus will pass back and forth across the U.S. Moon throughout 2002, filling the upcoming year with intense national anxiety and urgent, emergency actions.

[Methanespirit]

I hope all of you overlook my absence from this fourum. I have been very busy with all sorts of stuff, including researching the implications of the events of Sept. 11th. Let me state that using the same criteria (from Sidereal Astrological research) that if any attacks are coming to the USA, (as we have been warned of,) and I sincerely hope I am wrong (again) in this forecast, but the 105 degree West meridian is most vulnerable after the Libra Sidereal Solar ingress. The Sidereal ingress occurs at 01:59:34 UT on Oct. 18th. That if any such situations occur, they most likely will occur on the weekend of the 19th of Oct. on the meridian for those areas thus indicated. Vigilence should be kept up until Tuesday the 23rd.

Those who are familiar with American history should recognize that we are due for another conflict. That about every 26 years of so, this country is involved in a war (of sorts) Beginning with the war of 1812 add 26 years and the pattern become apparent.

1812, war against Britain, 1838 (?) , 1864 US civil war, 1890(?), 1916 World War I, 1942, World War II, 1968 Viet Nam, 1994 Desert Storm (agianst Iraq 1991), 2020 (?) There also seems to be a sub-period of 52 year- conflicts , but not of "wars" per se, beignning with the Mexican/American conflict of 1847, 1899 the Spanish/ American conflct, 1951 Korea, 2001 the current disturbances. It is interesting that Centaur, Chiron also has a 51-year cycle, which closely fits the timing of these conflicts. Also, that Chiron has now just entered Sagittarius, which is opposed this nation's birth sign, (Sidereal) Gemini, the nativity Solar placment being about 18 degrees. It is also sepeculated that transiting Chiron, may have to do with this nation's natal Asecendant, being somewhere in late Cancer. as on Dec. 7th , 1941, the day of Japan' bombing of our Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Chiron was locaed at 20* 36' Cancer. Adding or subtracting 26 years (1/2 of a Chiron cycle) to this date, yields other conflicts, thus mentioned.

Counting from the American revolutionary war, we have, when adding the 26 year increments, years that denote economic hard times, but not of military conflicts, including 1932, the year of the great depression (world wide), 1958 (which was also a bad year for employment) and 1984, the time of the government interference-correction under President Reagan. 2010 -? who knows!

Speaking of Chiron, there has been reported many people who have had stressful premonitions concerning the events, (some, up to 3 months prior to the event) that ultimately occurred on Sept. 11th, including this writer. Also, astrologically, his Secondary progressed Moon was conjunct Chiron and also quartered (at 29* Scorpio) his natal MC/IC axis being 29* of Leo, (all in the Sidereal Zodiac) I'm curious if any others out there have had similiar premonitions.

[Xander67]

i know this is off topic but in numerology

bin laden's birthday 7/28/57

7+2+8+5+7=29 2+9=11
and 1+1 = 2

11 and 2

errie when you think about that connection, a bit far fetched but still creepy