On House Arrest...

[Shy Hawk]

As I'm happily on my way out the door to go to the huge open Mabon ritual in the area, I hear the phone ring. I was going to just let the machine get it...but I said to myself...maybe it's important. (It has been more often than not recently.)
I pick up the phone and it's my mother...."yeah...what do you want?" I said rather annoyed. I was getting late. She tells me that I have to stay home...can't go out tonight. "Why not?" "Dad's REALLY upset." "What did I do?"
She goes on to explain to me that three girls we know...sort of friends of the family...were raped and one was killed. They live right near my cousins, and FYI they were religious Palestinian girls with full cover. Apparently politically motivated....
Another girl in a mall was surrounded and strip searched by a large group of male security girls. Again a Muslim girl in full cover. Let me add that even being touched by a man would be strictly forbidden....she was shamed beyond belief.
And, finally....my fathers Imam (about the same as a Minister) was pulled off an airplane today and told that the pilot didn't feel safe with him there.....
Thus....my father has restricted me to ONLY the house except for school and back. I can't even go to the STORE without an escort. What is going on here?...
Needed to vent again.....thanks for reading...
~Shy

[Yvonne Belisle]

Thank you for posting this. It is important for people to see what we as a nation are doing within our own borders. After Pearl Harbor we tossed many people into concentration camps of our own. Many Americans are not even aware that we did this. We did not have the death camps of Nazi Germany but we took people who's only crime was the people that they were decended from placed them in camps "for thier own safety" and sold thier belongings without their concent to pay for thier upkeep. As I have watched events unfold I have been concerned that a repeat preformance could occur. It is the act of a frighted populus that lashes out at those that are different or those that have any similarity to those that have hurt us. The innocent people such as yourself and Isis who lost her job over this should be counted in the list of victims. The basic freedoms that we take for granted on an everyday basis are being stripped from those of middle eastern descent by frightened individuals who are unable to reach the people that are truely guilty and I am ashamed that they are a part of the same society that I love. The airline personel stripped of thier livelyhood because people are afraid to fly are also victims. More people need to beaware of the hate that is spreading and take active stepps to stop it. It is fine for us to say stop this but we need to do more. The message that it is not okay to attack our own people needs to be heard by all. We must back it with action and stop this because we are giving them more power to hurt our people when we give in to the fear.

[Wiccan Maeve]

Oh my goodness Shy Hawk. What took place where you live is absolutely horrible. Those poor people. Please take care of yourself dear, my thoughts are with you and those which these events happened too.

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The way some people have been reacting to this makes me so darn angry. When will people start opening their eyes? UGH!

Love & light,
HoneyDreads

[Danustouch]

I am SOOOO sorry to hear of these atrocities, Shy Hawk. If you need to talk, I'm available in AIM at "Moonsglowing". There is a Mosque about 1/2 hour from here, and the members of the Mosque are having problems as well, with crank phone calls, with threaghts...etc. A woman from the mosque (due to give birth in a couple days) was driving to an appointment with her doctor, when her car started to overheat. She pulled over to use a payphone to call for help.....and some men started throwing rocks at her. She is physically okay...recovering from her experience, but she is TERRIFIED. I plan to get the address of the Mosque in that town, and send a card of support during these times.

I wish that people would realize, that these acts of hatred and bigotry are NOT the American way. That when their anger starts to boil into dangerous thoughts, they would stop and think....and search their hearts, and know that their actions are no better, than the actions of the Terrorists. GRRRRRRRRRR...Shy..as I said, I am sorry...and if you need to talk, I am available.

[crystalmoon]

It's a terrible thing that some people are motivated to seek revenge on the innocent. Here in Britain I am disstressed by the amount of racial tension that has been building up over the past week. It amounts to no more than senceless violence,and only makes matters worse. Why does man have this inbuilt desire for war. I will ask the goddess to keep you from harm.
Brightest Blessings.

[Shy Hawk]

Thanks much for the continued support all......(sigh)...I don't have much else to say at the moment..:(

[Myst]

I'm ashamed for the people involved. Truly. I wish there were words I could share to help :( :( :(

[Laiste]

Shy Hawk,

I've been hearing too many stories like this over the past few days and it saddens me so much. I pray that you stay safe. I had an argument with a good friend of mine because she was ranting about how "all these people should be rounded up and locked away until we are all safe"!! Imagine the b@!!s!! I was so upset and could not believe that someone that I care about would say such a thing. Unfortunately and obviously she is not the only one who feels that way. How terribly sad! :( :( :mad:

[threenorns]

... when i stated in another forum that i was planning to wear a moslem-type head-dress in order to draw out ppl who would do this type of thing to women whose very upbringing tells them to keep their eyes down modestly and not to defend themselves JUST so i could have a bit of good ol' canadian fun, i was accused of being a provocateuse!

i plan on doing it again, and again i say: i pity the sucker i catch pulling this kind of crap, because it's called "harassment" and "assault", and i just LOOOOVE trapping scum! <evil grin>

[Laiste]

Sorry, I did not accuse you of being "provocateuse" as you put it. I simply asked if you were trying to provoke people. It just seemed to me by your post that was your intention. And now it is obvious by this new post. I never said I didn't agree or disagree with what you said you wanted to do. I was curious. Simple as that. I really don't appreciate your implication that I do not care about what happens to innnocent people. I do, I just show it in a different way. And I have a right to post in other forums my feellings and opinions without someone barking at me about another post and trying to make me seem dishonest! I do not feel the need to simply reply to a post and be untrue to myself or others! I have been on line for many years trying to educate people about the injustices to women around the world. Just trying to do my part in my way, as are you! To each his own, right? Now can we have some peace here on this forum and let it be?

[Yvonne Belisle]

Shy Hawk to the best of your knowledge would the wearing of the garb such as threenorns has suggested doing to draw out people who need attitude adjustments be offensive to those that wear it as a religous choice? Is there anything in their beliefs that would make it distasteful or derogitory in thier eyes even if it is for a good cause.
I ask this because in other unrelated topics people have said that they couldn't go to church with a family member or say a prayer or any number of other things because it wouldn't be right. Those comments were not made by anyone in this thread they mearly made me think about this in a different way.

[Shy Hawk]

Let's try to stay on topic guys.

And, just to answer your question..
Um...though I wouldn't advise it...yes, anyone (any woman) can wear hijab (garb..). Actually I think Muslim women think it's nice to see "white" women in Muslim clothing stores. Converts and such are treated very well....no one would have a problem UNLESS...you did something nonMuslim while in hijab.
Let's say you wear hijab in public and a Muslim woman sees you eating a pepperoni pizza while you're wearing it....she's not going to have much respect for you, she may even be disgusted. If you wear hijab there are certain things that will be expected from you, so you don't demean the religion. You can't do anything remotely sexual while in hijab (not that you'd want to...), shouldn't eat pork, and you definately shouldn't otherwise be wearing something tight/revealing.
Yes, women in hijab often wear makeup and regular clothes just topped off with a scarf. Some wear a full robe type deal...It's your perogative. But if you wear regular clothes with a scarf....have to wear long pants, and long sleeves (not tight fitting). I wore hijab for almost a year...I found it extremely hard!...and upsetting at times. But, more power to you, if you can do it. It would be advised that while wearing it, out of respect for Islam that you don't tell dirty jokes, and try to keep cursing to minimum.
Happy to answer any other questions....
~Shy

[Laiste]

Shy Hawk,

Sorry for getting off topic here...I just had to speak my mind. I hate unfairness of any kind!!:(

[Shy Hawk]

I guess if I was wearing hijab I wouldn't want to go to a church...or say a prayer that was nonMuslim. But that's just out of respect for Muslims. I wouldn't want them to think I was mocking their faith....
I hope that's what you're asking. Sorry, I was a little unclear on the concept...
Some of you would risk wearing hijab just to see how others would react? Braver than I, braver than I.....

[Shy Hawk]

No prob....just trying to keep some semblance of order...:)
No worries...just don't want see any arguing here, it is antiproductive. Besides, we're all family. :D

[Yvonne Belisle]

My questions were out of a genuine concern for what those that wear it as a religious choice would feel about it being used to draw attention. I am not out to start any arguements or side with anyone. Thank you for answering my questions. :)

[Autumn Gemini]

(((((((((Shy Hawk))))))))))) I pray the Goddess will keep you and your family safe from harm! Its so disappointing to see the behavior of a few ruining things for others! My thoughts are with you. :) If you need someone to talk to my AIM is AutumnWitchie!

[Mairwen]

well, we could always do what they did in denmark during ww2: everyone wore a star on his chest ~ in support of the Jews. No one knew who was what! :cool:

[Margie]

I was sickened by the things that you wrote that were done to the people you know and even people you don't know. I am very sorry this happened to you and like Willow said, I am embarrassed by those who did it. I wish I had some words of comfort but know that my thoughts and prayers are with you.

[threenorns]

Originally posted by Laiste
Sorry, I did not accuse you of being "provocateuse" as you put it. I simply asked if you were trying to provoke people. It just seemed to me by your post that was your intention. And now it is obvious by this new post. I never said I didn't agree or disagree with what you said you wanted to do. I was curious. Simple as that. I really don't appreciate your implication that I do not care about what happens to innnocent people. I do, I just show it in a different way. And I have a right to post in other forums my feellings and opinions without someone barking at me about another post and trying to make me seem dishonest! I do not feel the need to simply reply to a post and be untrue to myself or others! I have been on line for many years trying to educate people about the injustices to women around the world. Just trying to do my part in my way, as are you! To each his own, right? Now can we have some peace here on this forum and let it be?

considering i didn't mention WHO had said anything WHERE, i don't know why you're getting your knickers in a knot.

[loopy]

That's so awful, Shy. :( This all sucks so much. *hug*

[Twig]

:(


....my father has restricted me to ONLY the house except for school and back. I can't even go to the STORE without an escort. What is going on here?...

Dearest Shy. What is going on is that your father loves you very much and fears for your safety. And by your own post, rightfully so. Please remember my advice to you earlier. Keep a low profile.

Gods this tears me up. The hatred, fear and suspicion you talk of is counter to everything I stand for.

I pray for you All and for......

Peace.

Twig
:elf:

[Lavender]

Shy, I don't know what to say except I wish I could change things for you. Please stay safe & be careful.

hugs!

[Mariposa De La Luna]

Originally posted by Wildchild
Shy, I don't know what to say except I wish I could change things for you. Please stay safe & be careful.

hugs!

Ditto and take care! :heartthro

[Semele]

THis almost makes me ashamed to be an "American". This is not what America is about. I am so sorry to hear this. I also saw on the news where they had made three middle eastern people get off an airplane because the other passengers were afraid. I understand fear but the worst thing I have seen from this tragedy is the way we have turned on our own kind in the aftermath of all this. Almost makes the terrorists have more victories than they originally aimed for.

I am so sorry Shy.

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

Shy, my hopes and blessings are with you. For the Gods' sake, stay safe.

[Wyrdsister]

:mad: :meanface: :G :flamer: :scream: :scream: :scream: :scream: :sick: :sick:

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I just had to express my horror at all this. Shy Hawk, I would personally host your entire family in my apartment if you decide ever to move to Canada!!!

Wyrdsister
sick to her stomach

[gunner]

"I plan to get the address of the Mosque in that town"

pass it on to me too, i'd like to send a card. i also want the addresses of the jackasses that would throw rocks at a pregnant woman, there's something else i'd send them!

("5, 4, 3, 2, 1, fire! warthog special delivery!)

[gunner]

"Dearest Shy. What is going on is that your father loves you very much and fears for your safety. And by your own post, rightfully so. Please remember my advice to you earlier. Keep a low profile."


twig has it right shy hawk, as a father i know how your dad feels, as well we love you too and want you safe.

[gunner]

"Some of you would risk wearing hijab just to see how others would react? Braver than I, braver than I....."

my old pal threenorns is not somebody that some hoser would want to mess with no matter what she might choose to wear.

[Faery-Wings]

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Shy, I don't know what to say except I wish I could change things for you. Please stay safe & be careful.


Me too. This must be so hard on you and all Arab-Americans. Please be careful, and know that there are so many of us here who would protect you if we could.

Chris

[Shy Hawk]

Update: We are all fine and I thank you all for continued support and much advice given (both publicly and privately).
I'm not sure off all the current news but here's a piece I thought I would share. Last week the Grand mosque (located in Parma, Ohio if you want to check the online papers for it) had a car driven into it. This is my family's mosque...
As it happens (fate or otherwise) my father was quarreling :rolleyes: with the Imam and decided to go to a different mosque for a few weeks. I suppose they are all lucky however I don't think anyone was hurt when the car hit the mosque.
Just thought I'd keep it up to date. The grand mosque was supposedly the biggest and newest mosque in Ohio, and it had many many people that came on a daily basis. Thank the Gods no one was hurt. Now it's being rebuilt, however the majorety of the people who went were house wives and their children...and many of them are afraid to go back. So it's been quiet in the Grand mosque for a week or so.

Yes, once again, I suppose I'll be keeping a low profile...but you know the old saying..."i'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees". And this speaks true of myself.

[IsisMoon]

Shy Hawk

I am sorry that these things are happening.

This hatred is infecting the world. Even in Australia we have had hate crimes perpetrated on members of the community (just for looking Middle Eastern-ish) and at least one Mosque burnt to the ground.

I for one am praying that this stops NOW!

Take care of yourself

Blessings

IsisMoon

[Swanspirit]

JUST STAY SAFE please...... do what ever you have to do but stay safe..........
reminds me of being in the closet .........as a Witch...... unfortunately this is America.... the sick under belly that we cant seem to eradicate......and what MOST decent people revile........so if you have to be in the closet for a while to be safe just do it if you want , because
NO ONE deserves the treatment being meted out by these hate and fearmongers.....
and to set yourself up as a target for these people in my estimation is insane.....
LOVE AND PROTECTION
Swannie

[Wiccan Maeve]

My thoughts continue to be with you ShyHawk.

Love & light,
HoneyDreads

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by crystalmoon
It's a terrible thing that some people are motivated to seek revenge on the innocent. Here in Britain I am disstressed by the amount of racial tension that has been building up over the past week. It amounts to no more than senceless violence,and only makes matters worse. Why does man have this inbuilt desire for war. I will ask the goddess to keep you from harm.
Brightest Blessings.

Haven't some of the towns in the north part of Britain had race riots for the past few years? In response to the latest influx of immigrants and what not?

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

^^^uh huh :(^^^

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Ball-Bhreac Ròn
^^^uh huh :(^^^

Yeah, it must be especially rough up there.

Anyway, like I said two weeks ago Shy Hawk, just lay low. It was good advice then, and it still is now. A good 60% of grave injustices can be avoided if you just keep your wits about you, be careful about what you do, where you go, who you're with and what you're doing (I said that twice b/c it's twice as important!).

- Ill

[Sequoia]

oooh shyhawk!!!! *BIG TIGHT HUG CLING* gods how could anyone do things like that?! I hope you stay ok, my prayers are with you. *HUG*

hey, threenorns, be careful out there. Although I personally don't think it's right to do such a thing. . . GO FOR IT!! I hope you kick some sicko's *ss. :flamer:

[Isis]

MM,

I pray that your situation works out for the best. Unfortunately, many peopel are using this incident to show their dormant racism...its an excuse to be a jackass and they're grabbing it hook line and freakin sinker.

I wish you all well, and pray that love and light follow all the true followers of Islam.

This board has helped me tremendously......and I pray that goddess will answer you prayers....or Allah will answer you prayers.

I am curious about your fathers reaction to you 'hanging out with witches'. I know Islam is not a religion for the faint of heart, that's for sure. I couldnt handle it, no way in the world. It's also peaceful and teaches love.

Ok, Im falling asleep as I write this,


Isis

[Shy Hawk]

Well Isis, to be frank, my father is some sort of weird gypsie Muslim. I can't explain it very well, only to say that he's sort of a witch himself. But he tells me on a regular basis how "witchcraft is condemned by Allah".....then my mom tells me stories of how he made fertility charms for his friend who couldn't concieve. Or how he has prophetic dreams. He's a bit mystic himself.....
But in general, he doesn't really know who I hang out with. He works 16 hour days 7 days a week...so he barely knows what goes on at all.

[gunner]

just checking in hawk, how are things going?

[Shy Hawk]

Not too bad Gunner...still laying low. Everyone is still pretty tense but, nothing horrible has happened as of yet.
I do have strep throat though. (cough cough)
Thank you for thinking of me.

[Sequoia]

hey, how're things going?

[Xander67]

well Shy, I hope you stay safe,
Your Folks care alot about you, you are very blessed,
I know it seems frustrating for you to have your social life in check like this, but please understand, its for your protection,

please cooperate and be patient....

alot of us are being asked to temporarily give up certain things for our own safety...but in the long run, it is best...

I just hope it wont last much longer....I am going crazy here myself.....I work in Atlantic City for one of the casinos, and there are changes at the bus station here, and something new, Uniformed ARMED police on the casino floor....normally this is the DGE's turf because the state runs the casino, but the officers are state police so they still have juristiction... its just creepy....

[Shy Hawk]

Still under house arrest....it's still tough. But...things overall seem a bit better.
Thanks for the concern all.
Peace
~Shy

[Wiccan Maeve]

Shy Hawk, I'm happy to hear that things have begun to settle down where you live, :). I pray that they continue to stay settled down. You're in my thoughts.

Love & light always,
HoneyDreads