S.O.S. Save Our Site!!!!! (MW)

[Traz Heart]

Hey all,

By this point in time most of us know that MW is in trouble.

When I first heard about Mol loosing his job and why all I
could think was "what a idiot putting this site above his family
and their needs!"

But after sometime of thinking it came to me.

To Mol his wife and kids are his family but so are all of us.
Ever last MW member.
Be it a 1 post person or a 50k+ poster.
A 12 year old child or a 70 year old adult.
No matter what religion, crede, color, age, or gender
We are all part of Mol's family.

This man has created soemthing truly great here.
He has given all of us a place to chat, meet new friends, exrpess new
ideas, and to fall in love.
He has given us a family, a community to share are ideas with.
People to talk to when we are down and when we are up.
People we care about and so much more.

Mol even gave his job for MW.

Now my question what will you give to keep MW?

Energy is nice but I am sorry to say that there is no exchange rate for Karma to
any curancy.

Lets put it this way.
Even if you can only spare $1 a month or a year send it.
If you can spare $10 a month or year send it.

If you say "I wish I could send in some money to help but I can't"
Just think of that the next time you buy a pack of cigaretts or a beer or some candy
or something else you can go without for week.

Go a day without smoking It won't kill you.
Go a day without going out to eat for lunch It won't kill you.
Go a day without buying some usless crap IT WILL NOT KILL YOU!!

If you can't send money online mail it to Mol in check form or what ever.

This site has never been Mol's site.
It has allways been all of ours.
From new members to old time members.
This is Mysticwicks Dammit!

So everyone do what ever you can.
Be it $1 or or more...

Do it for yourself and do it for your MW family.

Thanks.

[Xentor]

Hear, hear!

[Aine of the Fae]

How much did you pay the last time you had fast food? Consider donating that. How much did you pay the last time you bought a piece of jewelry? Consider donating that.

Do you need fast food? No. Do you need MysticWicks? For a lot of us the answer is yes.

Even if you can't commit to a monthly subrscription, consider a one time donation. Whatever you can come up with, every bit helps.

[Faery-Wings]

Awesome post!!!

[Convallaria]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?

[WitchJezebel]

Well said, I've done what I can to help.

[Aine of the Fae]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?

The journals are for subscribers, it's a value added service.

The arcade... we don't need it, but a LOT of us (myself included) have kids that come to MW. While they like the interaction, they like the games as well, and having my son play arcade games here is a HELL of a lot safer than sending him to Yahoo!

[violet rain]

I totally agree!!!! I mean ths site has done sooo much for me I have met soooo many people here that are just wonderful... Come peoples make a donation

[Convallaria]

get your kid some board games and play with him, lol. Thats your safe bet if thats what you're worried about. all I'm saying is that they aren't necessary.

[OriginalWacky]

So everyone do what ever you can.
Be it $1 or or more...

Do it for yourself and do it for your MW family.
This is what I have done. I am a contributor now. I hope eventually to become a higher level, for now, the lowest level is all I can do. In order to pay for this, all I had to do was cut out a soda every single day. Now, I buy the generic stuff, and it costs about a quarter a can... which adds up to around $7 a month. I use $2 of that to buy coffee beans, and drink coffee instead, so it's not like I am missing out on a whole lot or anything. The other $5 goes to MW.

Think of it this way. If EVERY member were to send in $.25 a month (that's ONE American quarter a month!), Mol would have around $3500 to work with... to pay for the bandwidth we use, and to pay for his upkeep at home so he can be here full time. Not even the price of one phone call, and we could keep MW up and running with some major benefits.

Granted, there are those of you who *really* can't send anything. Please don't feel badly if you are one of those people.

[Convallaria]

what about having a limit of threads started/day. one person can only start 3 threads or something like that?

[Aine of the Fae]

what about having a limit of threads started/day. one person can only start 3 threads or something like that?

That would take a great deal of the value of this site away.

Mol doesn't want to take anything away from the site, he wants to be able to keep it going and growing in the direction it has been.

[LadyTrinity]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?

I agree
:caffeine:

[Convallaria]

That would take a great deal of the value of this site away.

Mol doesn't want to take anything away from the site, he wants to be able to keep it going and growing in the direction it has been.
Alright, I get that, but sometimes sacrifices are necessary.. apparently not that necessary in this case.

I just think it would b cheeper all round for everyone if something more expensive that signatures became a paid member thing. Everyone is saying "we should pay for signatures" ... they're probably nothing compared to how much the photo albums cost. Why not make them a paid member thing?

[OriginalWacky]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?
The post is not aimed towards folks like you who really don't have any extras, and likely don't even pay for your internet access. It's aimed towards folks who have a soda every day, and smoke, and eat out once a week... yet say they can't give. The one time I've eaten out this month, it was because someone else paid, with a gift certificate. I don't get to eat out much at all.

I don't get to buy cool extras, and I have to dole out the laundry soap and fabric softener very carefully, as I often cannot buy more between paydays. But, I was able to figure out something to cut. My next choice might have been to cut the caller ID on the phone, it's around $4 a month, and would nearly pay for a subscription, BUT, I actually use the caller id, because of past issues. So I found something to cut.

I think what everyone is saying, is put your money where your mouth is. If you have money for estras, then you can probably swing sending a dollar or two every month or two.

Just for reference, those extras you mentioned probably don't cost NEARLY as much as the bandwidth to allow so many folks to visit here daily.

[Aine of the Fae]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?

I can't get a job. I'm on medical restriction. My husband just got a raise to a whopping $6.50 an hour. My medical bills for the past two months have run over $20,000.

I NEED this place, it's brought me back from a depression so deep I thought about giving up and dying!

Money is tight, but there are things that even in my sorry state of finances I can give up in order to try to keep this place going. $5.00 a month isn't a lot, but if it is, can you come up with $1.00, stick it in an envelope and mail it to Mol? Hmm?

It's all of the extra stuff that makes this site what it is. Take it away and it loses what draws people to it.

[Convallaria]

I'm just going to stop trying to be helpful, lol... obviously I'm not being helpful at all. I think I'm just stingy so I'm looking for things that could perhaps lower the cost of this place just that tiny bit. every tiny bit helps.

[Aine of the Fae]

I'm just going to stop trying to be helpful, lol... obviously I'm not being helpful at all. I think I'm just stingy so I'm looking for things that could perhaps lower the cost of this place just that tiny bit. every tiny bit helps.

I understand that, but Mol has done a LOT to keep the cost of this place at a minimum. The problem isn't the arcade or the journals or all the extra stuff. It's the number of people who come to this site expecting to get something for nothing!

I understand completely that some people can't give. And that's why anyone that can needs to give extra! I'm getting a tax return soon and have already budgeted a chunk of it to go towards MW!

[Rudas Starblaze]

well, im broke, going through divorce, going under, in dept, you name it. i still gave to Mol, even as a christian on a pagan site. we can all help out, no mater what our beliefs are too.

[Silver_FireStar]

I like the sentiment behind you're post, it's lovely but

Lets put it this way.
Even if you can only spare $1 a month or a year send it.
If you can spare $10 a month or year send it.

If you say "I wish I could send in some money to help but I can't"
Just think of that the next time you buy a pack of cigaretts or a beer or some candy
or something else you can go without for week.

Go a day without smoking It won't kill you.
Go a day without going out to eat for lunch It won't kill you.
Go a day without buying some usless crap IT WILL NOT KILL YOU!!
What about those who seriously DON'T have anything to spare. Those who live off 20 pounds or less. What about those who need every penny they have. Unless Mol wants a penny a week there are some of us who can't send money. My money, any that I don't spend goes towards when I don't get money. I only get 20 pounds when I go to college, I miss a day I don't get paid (like this week) holidays I get no money. And not all of us spend money on beer or fags or sweets or anything else like that. On the rare occassion I do spend my money on something I don't absolutly need it's because I've saved for about a month for it.

[Kaylara]

I'm just going to stop trying to be helpful, lol... obviously I'm not being helpful at all. I think I'm just stingy so I'm looking for things that could perhaps lower the cost of this place just that tiny bit. every tiny bit helps.
I posted this in the other thread as well. The amount that would be saved by doing this is so minicule as to not be worth it (re: getting rid of sigs, avatars, smilies, images.) and it would take away from the site, which is not something that we want to do. However the suggestion has been made to charge a small amount for sigs, and we're still kicking that idea around.

[Silver_FireStar]

I feel like such an ass.
I mean, I don't go out, and I don't buy frivolous crap.
I eat what my food plan will get me.
I pay my bills with my parents money.
I couldn't even do laundry this week because I didn't have money for quarters...

When I get a job (which will hopefully happen soon) I will send money to mol because this place is great... but honestly:
Do we need an arcade? Do we need journals? Do we need photo albums? We can go elsewhere to play games, Livejournal is free, and so is photobucket.
Cuts can be made to this place to make it more affordable. Those other things are frivolous. All we need is eachother and the great mol and co. to keep up in line, lol.
Even after those cuts money would still be neaded.. but not as much, right?

Nice idea sunset, but when someone buys a domain name they get so much space, cutting down on how much of that space you use doesn't cut down the cost. Well at least that's how my dad explained it

[Raven Reed]

I like the sentiment behind you're post, it's lovely but

What about those who seriously DON'T have anything to spare. Those who live off 20 pounds or less. What about those who need every penny they have. Unless Mol wants a penny a week there are some of us who can't send money. My money, any that I don't spend goes towards when I don't get money. I only get 20 pounds when I go to college, I miss a day I don't get paid (like this week) holidays I get no money. And not all of us spend money on beer or fags or sweets or anything else like that. On the rare occassion I do spend my money on something I don't absolutly need it's because I've saved for about a month for it.

I live paycheck to paycheck. I have no extra money to play around with. But one month I was a little ahead and sent MW $5.00. I might not be able to do that for another six months... or twelve months. However, if almost everyone was able to squeak out a dollar or two here and there, that would really help out.

If you can't send money, you can't. I don't think any blame is being assigned. They are just asking for help.

[Earthy]

I am going to go up a level in my subscription but can't do it until Monday because i have nothing in the bank and it doesn't open on a Saturday :bad:

[Tzhebee]

Nobody "guilted" me into subscribing. I simply came to the realization that MW has changed my life. I have found a place that I feel comfortable calling home. I have found people who not only completely accept me, but also actually like me! I feel like I am truely "at home". Even when I was phsyically in my house...I wasn't "at home" unless I was logged on here.

Through this community...through this FAMILY, I have found friends, I have found jerks, I have found wonderfully funny neighbors, I have found lovely children who constantly remind me what it was to be like to dream and believe in that dream.

And, sure. Money is tight for me, just like so many others. I'm robbing peter to pay peter! :lol: But, like most others, I also have certain vices that I am not willing (or able) to give up despite being broke. I'm a smoker. I've smoked for 18+ years...so to say I'm adicted would be DUH! But, I also realized that if I could cut out 1 cig a day....just cut back by 1....that would save me just over a pack a month.

So I used that money to help my family. Because that's what a "true" family does. We make sacrafices (however big or small) to help the people we care about and love. And I think I may have just the slightest inkling of a feeling about how Mol and Sem feel. I mean, for YEARS, MW has been thier family. Their friends, thier loved ones whom they never see. And they are fighting to save US. They are not backing down without a fight, they have sacrificed everything...to keep us a family. There aren't enough karma pokes or :hugz: smilies in the span of time to give them thier due appreciation.

For those of you who don't have any free money, do this: Take a walk. Chances are, on your walk, you will run across a couple pennies, a nickle, maybe even a dime. Do this every day and it shouldn't take long to come up with $1. Just one...then click the Subscribe NOW button, scroll to the bottom and give your one little dollar to the tip jar. Even if it takes you 2 months...every little bit helps.

[Verthandi]

For students in states that offer deposits, my suggestion is picking up discarded pop bottles and cans and recycling them. You're recycling and getting a dime (or fifteen cents depending). I know someone that collected pop cans all throughout high school and pretty much paid for a long trip to France--just from the deposits!

[OriginalWacky]

I like the sentiment behind you're post, it's lovely but

What about those who seriously DON'T have anything to spare. Those who live off 20 pounds or less. What about those who need every penny they have. Unless Mol wants a penny a week there are some of us who can't send money. My money, any that I don't spend goes towards when I don't get money. I only get 20 pounds when I go to college, I miss a day I don't get paid (like this week) holidays I get no money. And not all of us spend money on beer or fags or sweets or anything else like that. On the rare occassion I do spend my money on something I don't absolutly need it's because I've saved for about a month for it.
Okay... a penny a week (american penny) would come out to approximately $560 a month if EVERY member sent that penny.

Again, I don't think anybody is complaining about those who really cannot give. But those who could, but don't, figuring that somebody else will... that's an issue. I'm not going to point any fingers... I have no clue how anybody else lives for the most part... but each person whould take a look at their own situation, and figure out just how important MW is to them. I fully intend to up my suscription level as soon as I can. If I have to stop soda completely, or buy less expensive food (somehow), I will.

[MockingbirdOxygen]

I don't know how much I could afford monthly, but would like to contribute a little something right now...I'm not all that into doing business online, though; I just sent them an email inquiring where to send a one-time money order contribution sort of thing...I know I read about it a while back, but I can't seem to find it again...anyone else know?
*goes off to look*
*comes back to add*
oh yeah, for those of you who do have a paypal account, did you know that they have a one-time only tip jar set up on the subscriptions page? Just fyi...I didn't know until I came across it while I was looking for the money order address...

[Djinn]

What happened? Could someone please explain to those of us who missed the chats where this financial crisis came from? Post some chat logs or something?

I subscribe now and I'll up my subscription as soon as I can get Paypal to work. I don't have a problem with supporting MW as much as I can. I just want to know what's going on.

Edited to add: I just got the resubscribe through Paypal and came back to MW and my name is already purple! Now that's what I call service! Thanks, Mol. :bothsides

[erlynn]

I signed up for $5/month. I love this site way too much to see it go!

[semi]

I've been wanting to contribute to MW since the day I got here. I told mol a few days ago that I would subscribe this month or next. But I've also wanted to just send $100 or something like that. So today I will subscribe and send $100. I don't do paypal or credit cards so I'll send a money order. If someone can guide me to an address to send it to, I'd appreciate it.

I don't want to see anything taken away from MW. Rather than minimize MW to meet a lower budget, I think we should keep it the same and increase the budget, get more money. So, someone more organized than me should perhaps start a telethon-like thing here, maybe, or we can start a raffle or auction here with all proceeds going to MW. I have items I could donate to an auction or raffle. I've been wanting to get back into woodcarving, got some new tools, so I could even make some things on order to specifications. My woodcarving is heading into staves and canes and stuff like that. All it will cost me is time since the wood is free and laying on the ground in parks. If anyone is interested in something like this, lets make it happen.

[Amethyst Rose]

I love this site. It's home for me. I have found so many wonderful souls here, and giving hearts. I can't imagine my life without it and without the friends here.

When MW started the subscriptions, I immediately sent in the highest contribution that I could, without a second thought. Well, there was a second thought of if it should be monthly or yearly, but that was it. :) If it's been asked for I've given it, however I'm also in the position that I can give. I totally understand if people cannot, but like everyone else said, what about those of you who can but don't?

I am willing to give every extra penny I have to save this site, and I will do everything in my power to make sure it stays the site we love.

[Tzhebee]

What happened? Could someone please explain to those of us who missed the chats where this financial crisis came from? Post some chat logs or something?

I subscribe now and I'll up my subscription as soon as I can get Paypal to work. I don't have a problem with supporting MW as much as I can. I just want to know what's going on.
You can read about it here: http://www.angrygeeks.org/mw/announcement.php?f=2

Semi, I've been thinking about something similar...but, I'm really not someone to initiate things. So, my only thought so far has been listing some stuff fairly cheap on the MW Auctions and having all proceeds (except shipping) go to MW. Who knows....maybe it'll help.

[MoonDragn]

One way this site can make money is to become a pagan dating service.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

my family doesn't have money for groceries.

i'm sorry.

i'll donate when i can.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

One way this site can make money is to become a pagan dating service.

way true.

[Brónach Druid]

I would just like to remind all of the US people, that even if you don't normally have money to spare, if you get a tax refund check maybe you could send in at least a one time donation from that! I plan on becoming a subscriber as soon as I get my tax money,and that way my yearly subscription will be due at refund time and I will be able to afford it.

[Amethyst Rose]

One way this site can make money is to become a pagan dating service.


I believe that's in the works. :)

[Convallaria]

I wish I could just walk up to Mol's house and give him my pocket change (as I've just been informed that I'm not allowed to use my credit card on this).

I just don't get why we have to have all these extra things if we might not even have an MW at all.

I'd rather just have the message board. I don't care about any of the other stuff.

It isn't taking a step back at all, mol, if you ever read this, to get rid of the stuff thats costly. The extra things on this site are not what keep us here. I came before the arcade, before the photo albums, before the journals (I think)... and I loved it. I don't need that extra stuff.

I guess it's all just there to get people's money (which I'm not bashing, you need money, we'll give you money, and that's that) but if it would be cheeper to have none of it and to just have the board then I wouldn't be upset... I'd just be glad that MW was still here.

[semi]

So, about that address to send $ to. Anyone know?

[arctic splash]

Just a glimpse of an idea.

How about offering services in exchange for donations? One feature that could be altered slightly, CoT teachers could donate their time to teach a class, and in exchange, students could donate a small amount of money to MW. This way, I think, people in a class would be more likely to want to be there and get something out of it... and have real discussions... and it could be a lot of fun.

I don't know what else... but there's got to be something.... tarot readings, maybe? Or energy exchanges? Not that people couldn't do these things otherwise, but whoever wanted to, could sign up to offer these services by donation which would go to MW.

I know I'd have a lot of fun paying for readings or whatever -- I'd spend a lot on MW ;) -- I'd do it for fun, but also just to support MW. And whether we're offering services, or receiving them, we'd all be helping MW! (Honestly, I think a lot of us might spend something like $50/month on MW if there was something good like that in place.) :)

Like I said, just an idea.

[Lost_Sole]

Well I just signed up for lvl 3.

[Aine of the Fae]

Just a glimpse of an idea.

How about offering services in exchange for donations? One feature that could be altered slightly, CoT teachers could donate their time to teach a class, and in exchange, students could donate a small amount of money to MW. This way, I think, people in a class would be more likely to want to be there and get something out of it... and have real discussions... and it could be a lot of fun.

I don't know what else... but there's got to be something.... tarot readings, maybe? Or energy exchanges? Not that people couldn't do these things otherwise, but whoever wanted to, could sign up to offer these services by donation which would go to MW.

Like I said, just an idea.

We're working on something as far as readings go.

[Traz Heart]

I wish I could just walk up to Mol's house and give him my pocket change (as I've just been informed that I'm not allowed to use my credit card on this).

I just don't get why we have to have all these extra things if we might not even have an MW at all.

I'd rather just have the message board. I don't care about any of the other stuff.

It isn't taking a step back at all, mol, if you ever read this, to get rid of the stuff thats costly. The extra things on this site are not what keep us here. I came before the arcade, before the photo albums, before the journals (I think)... and I loved it. I don't need that extra stuff.

I guess it's all just there to get people's money (which I'm not bashing, you need money, we'll give you money, and that's that) but if it would be cheeper to have none of it and to just have the board then I wouldn't be upset... I'd just be glad that MW was still here.Let me make this text really big so you can understand.

Takeing away the extras
DOES NOT CUT DOWN
ON THE PRICE OF MW.

If you are that worried about cutting corners LEAVE MYSTICWICKS!!!
If you are that worried about saving bandwith JUST LEAVE!!
I am sure someone else will be glad to use the bandwith you use.

We get the idea you think cutting corners will help.
The admins and Mol have all ready gone over that.
Over and over and over again.

There are only 1 things that can bring down the cost of MW.

We save MW and make it better then ever.
Donate anything.
Hell send Mol food.
Food that won't go bad in the mail.
Less food they have to buy = more $ that can be put to MW.

There are 4 ways this can end.
1. No more MW.
2. MW can be paid for on it's own from donations.
3. Mol gets a part time job and spends the rest of the time working on MW
4. Mol's job is MW

If you are still a young one talk to your parents.
Tell them you want to suscribe to a online discussion group.
Tell them you will do chores or more chores if the let you join.


It is this simple people THIS IS MYSTICWICKS!!!!!
If we want to keep our home and family that we have here we all must work togeather.
We have all been lazy. (minus the mods and admins)
Sure the admins will take care of it.
sure mol will fix this do this work work work work work.
Well if you do not know yet the admins and Mods do not get paid.
They do what they do out of love for the MW family.

So my question is to all of you.

What have you!! Done for MW?
What have you!! Done for your MW Family?


Those who have No money what so ever well it happens.
Look in your pocket, in your car, around the flat, or house, what ever change put it in a jar
save it for MW.
Even if it is only a penny a day you can give. it still is something.

If there is no way you can help... well don't just give up. Think about it when ever you get
time. Think of ways you can help.

SOS

[Shanti]

SCM, PM Mol!!

[MidNightCat]

I just subscribed (well my Mom did it for me :smile: ) for level 5.

We want to do everything to help MW and Mol and his family.

[Yvonne Belisle]

We are all upset at the thought we may loose this place but that doesn't mean you have to get rude about it. The point the person was expressing was that all those extras while nice aren't what makes mw special. Most of us could care less about all the add ons. I have been here since long before Mol added all that stuff for us. I couldn't care less if that stuff disappeared as long as the main part of the site remains. Yes we understand that those features don't add much but here you are saying every dollar he doesn't have to spend on food goes that much farther. The same stands for the extra features. Sadly they don't add up to enough to make a real difference but if it comes right down to it make them all pay features for premium members. Being rude doesn't change stress levels it only ads to them. People are trying to think of any way to help so back off on people please.

[arctic splash]

We are all upset at the thought we may loose this place but that doesn't mean you have to get rude about it.

Yes. Had I read that a little earlier, I *might* have thought twice about donating. In any case, it just makes me question whether my generousity is really worth it, and I'll probably think a little more in the future before I do donate. Not to say I won't donate... I definitely will... but if I saw enough posts like that, I might not...

In any case, it doesn't help anything. It will only hurt.

By the way, HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?

[Traz Heart]

Sorry I was not trying to be rude.

Just sick of people who do not understand servers and websites and bandwith
rambling on about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again.

No matter who they hear it from they get stuck like a record.
Not understanding that the extras don't add to the price.
And if they really became a issue were we needed the room they took up on the MW server
or the bandwith you know Mol would think about it and take the best action.

[semi]

Shanti, I PMed Semele. She was in the arcade. Now she's gone.

[Kaylara]

Actually I think it would be more of a pain in the ass reverting this place than it's worth honestly. The time spent changing it back, plus the frustration, plus the immediate complaints would make it totally not worth it.

[Gwenhwyfar]

We are all upset at the thought we may loose this place but that doesn't mean you have to get rude about it. The point the person was expressing was that all those extras while nice aren't what makes mw special. Most of us could care less about all the add ons. I have been here since long before Mol added all that stuff for us. I couldn't care less if that stuff disappeared as long as the main part of the site remains. Yes we understand that those features don't add much but here you are saying every dollar he doesn't have to spend on food goes that much farther. The same stands for the extra features. Sadly they don't add up to enough to make a real difference but if it comes right down to it make them all pay features for premium members. Being rude doesn't change stress levels it only ads to them. People are trying to think of any way to help so back off on people please.
no doubt, my thoughts exactly

[Kaylara]

Listen guys, Traz has seen first hand how much work this place takes. (And he's hyper.) He's answered the 3am phone calls for me to get online to fix something or handle something, he's dealt with all of the crap that came along with me being an admin on here. He still does, and he still loves this place as much as anyone here. We have met such wonderful people on this site, such great friends and people that we consider family, or actually are family. I'm sorry if I some people's feelings get hurt here. But most people really have no clue how hard people work to keep this site running smoothly, and also upgrading it and adding on more features all the time. It's really hard to deal with it sometimes when you work hard for it and have people questioning whether or not they can afford $1-5 a month. Or whether or not it's important.

Regardless, I think we're all fried and on our last nerves right now. How about everyone takes a nice break and a nice deep breath and come back and we can discuss it like civilized human beings.

[Traz Heart]

In the end We may not be able to save MW.
But those of us who did everything we could to save it will all ways know we did.

Others will be sad and in a short time not care and move on to another site.

I have been all over the web and back.

And I tell you there has never been nor will there ever be a site like this.

So if you wonder why some of us are so passionate about MW
just take a look arond the site.

If you are down there is all ways someone to talk to you here.
If you need help the community rallies to help.

I see it like this.
MW has been around for over 4 years.
Mol and his family have footed the bill for that long.

I see it as I owe him for this wonderful site.

[semi]

What if you're only semicivilized?

[Earthy]

I agree with Traz.
I have been to so many pagan sites, but in the end this is the only place that has ever felt like home.
I know i would be devastated if we lost it.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Well I WILL be mailing Mol a 5 dollar bill every month in the mail from now on, Its not alot but its all I could bare to be lost in the mail. Kaylara could you pm me an address please? Once I get a credit card and hook up paypal Ill donate more :) I truly hope it helps and I hope it all works out.

[DragonsChest]

What if you're only semicivilized?


Then you're probably only using half the bandwidth as a fully civilized user. :yayah:

[Amethyst Rose]

In the end We may not be able to save MW.



It will not go that far. Period. :)

[SilverClaw]

LOL@ Dragon Chest :muwaha:


In the end We may not be able to save MW.
But those of us who did everything we could to save it will all ways know we did.
That is true :D


As for knowing how much hard work goes into keeping a forum I think it takes someone who runs thier own forum to understand the behind the scense a bit more. But for those who do not know or understand that is ok thre is no need to fight or get upset about it. We need to pull together not disband over arguing.

I hope that we can pull together becuase like many others have said MW isour home, even if it is just a cyber home. Personally I have leraned alot hear and have improved my skills as a teacher and improving on my diviantion skills... I have also made some friends hat would have been less likey if not for MW.

And another thing this is the very first site I have ever shared my art on, that was a really a coming out of the shell thing for me. Due to all the encouragement I have finally been able to start putting together my online business which will be up soon, AND why because people at MW were encouraging, I felt people less shy about my work and less worried about being cristcised and maybe even started beleiving in myself a bti more...

And it was manily because of the people here at MW.

Anyways I am geting worked here so I am going to go play in the arade to calm down.

Take care everyone.

[The High Queen of Faerie]

maybe increase prices in the site store?


edit// and donate some of -that- money to help for the site...

[samiaminsane]

I am in my own financial binds (we just moved again, and money is nonexistent, as it always goes when you move). But, I know what's going on and I will be donating money in a couple weeks when I get paid again. :clapping: We will keep MW alive!!!!! :yayhawaii

[The High Queen of Faerie]

how long have we got, anyway, until it dies? (theoretically)

[Kaylara]

The site store is for HaM and will not be used for this purpose. That is for people in crisis.

[Kaylara]

how long have we got, anyway, until it dies? (theoretically)*readdressing this*

[Lunacie]

When the subscription idea first came along I checked it out, and the perks were things I didn't care about (still don't). And I don't care what color my ID is. I didn't realize till just now that my money could help keep MW running. But like several have said, I don't do the PayPal. Please let us know where to send a check or MO.

PLEASE

[13thChylde]

I had no idea MW was in so much trouble. :ahhhh:
I don't do paypal either, but will gladly send "well-concealed" cash...could someone send me Mol's address?

[Kaylara]

Just a glimpse of an idea.

How about offering services in exchange for donations? One feature that could be altered slightly, CoT teachers could donate their time to teach a class, and in exchange, students could donate a small amount of money to MW. This way, I think, people in a class would be more likely to want to be there and get something out of it... and have real discussions... and it could be a lot of fun.

I don't know what else... but there's got to be something.... tarot readings, maybe? Or energy exchanges? Not that people couldn't do these things otherwise, but whoever wanted to, could sign up to offer these services by donation which would go to MW.

I know I'd have a lot of fun paying for readings or whatever -- I'd spend a lot on MW ;) -- I'd do it for fun, but also just to support MW. And whether we're offering services, or receiving them, we'd all be helping MW! (Honestly, I think a lot of us might spend something like $50/month on MW if there was something good like that in place.) :)

Like I said, just an idea.
We already have these services available though. Tarot readings have been like that for months. No one gives. And we're setting up the CoT donation thing. The tarot readers already donate their time, and the teachers already donate theirs as well. Again, no one donates even though we suggest it and encourage it. *shrugs* So I don't know.

[Raven Reed]

That bad, huh. *sigh* I will try to send a little something when I get paid. I think I can manage another $5.00, at least.

[semi]

Kaylara, you say HaM is only for members in crisis. Isn't this situation sort of a crisis? I feel like it is for me, I love this place and consider it my home, these people here my tribe. I don't want to break up the family.

Also, still waiting for that address. Money burning a hole in my pocket. Going out with a few friends tonight and spending a lot, could be broke again tomorrow. Saving $100 for MW, but it's burning, burning.....

[DragonsChest]

Money burning a hole in my pocket. Going out with a few friends tonight and spending a lot, could be broke again tomorrow. Saving $100 for MW, but it's burning, burning.....


Quick!!! Someone hose that man down!!!! :abanana:

[Kaylara]

Gah, if you want the address, pm me. I just sent it to you Semicivilized...

[MoonDragn]

Kaylara, you say HaM is only for members in crisis. Isn't this situation sort of a crisis? I feel like it is for me, I love this place and consider it my home, these people here my tribe. I don't want to break up the family.

Also, still waiting for that address. Money burning a hole in my pocket. Going out with a few friends tonight and spending a lot, could be broke again tomorrow. Saving $100 for MW, but it's burning, burning.....

Burns in my pocket too, til I remember my cable bill is $124

[Lunacie]

Thanks for the address Kaylara. I just got back from the Post Office.



Burns in my pocket too, til I remember my cable bill is $124

My cable bill is $70 a month for basic cable and cable-internet. What kind of package do you have?

[semi]

Thank you, Kaylara.

And thank you, DragonsChest, but I don't need to be hosed down. Dowsed in Guinness, perhaps.

[DragonsChest]

Guinness is a tad stout for me. I prefer a nice pale ale. Or scrumpy.

[Ivy Artemisia]

I'm a subscriber... this and next month- money will be WAY tight. Worse than EVER. But after that, I want to up my subscription.

I really liked the idea of recycling to help MW. And an auction where the proceeds go to MW. I'd put some of my jewelry up there....

[Maverynthia]

Alright I'm setting myself up for Karma loss but oh well...I'll provide some education to maybe make up for it....

How much money does it exactly take to run this place?

I just got my own domain AND Webhosting. The two ARE seprate.
Domain was $10 a YEAR
Webhosting is $20 every 3 MONTHS (about $6.25 a month) for 1 Gig of storage space and 70 Gig of bandwidth. (I'm sure there are better deals out there but I'm happy with my service)

So, perhaps the best solution in order to save money is to switch webhosting and/or Domain Register(If it take $100 a year for the name). If your paying more than $10 a year for a domain your getting screwed. UNLESS you got screwed by these people who are going to hold onto it when it expires and you can get it registered anywhere else.

Yes, I'm the new person and the cruel hearted one. I just want to know what it takes to run this place, because I always see these $500-$1000 a month charges for different websites and I think to myself...."why not move your hosting to a place that offers more for less. You keep the name you just have to move your stuff."

Web Lesson:
Domain Name Registration: All this is is the name, for example www.mysticwicks.com
It's about $10 a year for a domain name, sometimes less. If the person doesn't pay this fee, www.mysticwicks.com gets put up to be registered by someone else or the original register. Does the message board go away? No, it's simply found at (usually an IP address) www.hostersIPaddy/~user or something like that.

Web Hosting: This is the meat and potatoes of a website. If the person doesn't pay this, the message board goes away. Webhosting is from $3 a month to much higher depending on how much space and bandwidth yout need.

Terminology:

Web space: How much physical space you have to use for junk. A forum at it's core is usually abput 15-20MB and uses PHP and MySQL. (Both of which are extra perks you have to pay for in webhosting if you want a cool forum). However adding extras and such takes up more space.

Bandwidth: This is "space" that is used when you access and download data from the webhoster. Images, games, smilies, programs - anything that is taken off of the physical website. For example, smilies:
If 1 person uses a smilie :awilly: it's about 2kb that's 2 kb of bandwidth you have used, now 500 users read your post, that's now up to 1MB of bandwidth used because 500 people have to download that image. Now 1MB seems like a drop in the bucket, but looking at all the smilies on the website and all the smilies people use on every page....that adds up quickly.

[Seren_]

Could somebody pm me the address as well? I can't afford to use my credit card even more. I take it donations should be US dollars?

[semi]

I have always suspected that the smilies were up to no good. I have never used the critters.

[MockingbirdOxygen]

Burns in my pocket too, til I remember my cable bill is $124
lol...You just made me realize...
I haven't watched TV at all during the day since I became a member here, but then again, my kids have it on a lot, and I'm not the only one in the household whose opinion counts _whistle_ but I just realized that if it were up to me and me only...I think I'd have to pick this place...although, truthfully, I'd rather not have to pick!
also:

Semicivilizedman, once again, all your posts on here are good or funny or both! :bouncybob

[Tzhebee]

Alright I'm setting myself up for Karma loss but oh well...I'll provide some education to maybe make up for it....

How much money does it exactly take to run this place?
**major snippage**
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not about web-space or domain names. It's about the TIME that Mol (and other admins/mods) are required to spend on this site to keep it running smoothly. Mol spends so much time fixing/updating etc. to keep us all happy, that he's losing his job due to it. *That* is the issue. Not the server and $10 a year for the name.

[mol]

First of all. THANKS to everyone.

Second of all...MW is not going anywhere. I am losing my job...yes...but MW will not be going anywhere because of it.

So calm down! :)

[Aine of the Fae]

Alright I'm setting myself up for Karma loss but oh well...I'll provide some education to maybe make up for it....

How much money does it exactly take to run this place?

I just got my own domain AND Webhosting. The two ARE seprate.
Domain was $10 a YEAR
Webhosting is $20 every 3 MONTHS (about $6.25 a month) for 1 Gig of storage space and 70 Gig of bandwidth. (I'm sure there are better deals out there but I'm happy with my service)

So, perhaps the best solution in order to save money is to switch webhosting and/or Domain Register(If it take $100 a year for the name). If your paying more than $10 a year for a domain your getting screwed. UNLESS you got screwed by these people who are going to hold onto it when it expires and you can get it registered anywhere else.

Yes, I'm the new person and the cruel hearted one. I just want to know what it takes to run this place, because I always see these $500-$1000 a month charges for different websites and I think to myself...."why not move your hosting to a place that offers more for less. You keep the name you just have to move your stuff."

Web Lesson:
Domain Name Registration: All this is is the name, for example www.mysticwicks.com
It's about $10 a year for a domain name, sometimes less. If the person doesn't pay this fee, www.mysticwicks.com gets put up to be registered by someone else or the original register. Does the message board go away? No, it's simply found at (usually an IP address) www.hostersIPaddy/~user or something like that.

Web Hosting: This is the meat and potatoes of a website. If the person doesn't pay this, the message board goes away. Webhosting is from $3 a month to much higher depending on how much space and bandwidth yout need.

Terminology:

Web space: How much physical space you have to use for junk. A forum at it's core is usually abput 15-20MB and uses PHP and MySQL. (Both of which are extra perks you have to pay for in webhosting if you want a cool forum). However adding extras and such takes up more space.

Bandwidth: This is "space" that is used when you access and download data from the webhoster. Images, games, smilies, programs - anything that is taken off of the physical website. For example, smilies:
If 1 person uses a smilie :awilly: it's about 2kb that's 2 kb of bandwidth you have used, now 500 users read your post, that's now up to 1MB of bandwidth used because 500 people have to download that image. Now 1MB seems like a drop in the bucket, but looking at all the smilies on the website and all the smilies people use on every page....that adds up quickly.


Shared hosting won't cut it for this place. Too big, too much bandwidth. They have to have their own servers which are HUGELY expensive. I used to run several sites and looked into getting my own server at one point, but when you're talking about $300 a month for just your basic, stripped down kind of server...... They've had to upgrade servers for this place multiple times, I've been here two and half years (yikes!) and seen a LOT of the changes that have been going on! I've seen how hard everyone works, and Mol does NOT want to let this go. But it's now a matter of the survival of his immediate family if this place doesn't start supporting itself at the very least.

[mol]

Alright I'm setting myself up for Karma loss but oh well...I'll provide some education to maybe make up for it....

How much money does it exactly take to run this place?

I just got my own domain AND Webhosting. The two ARE seprate.
Domain was $10 a YEAR
Webhosting is $20 every 3 MONTHS (about $6.25 a month) for 1 Gig of storage space and 70 Gig of bandwidth. (I'm sure there are better deals out there but I'm happy with my service)

So, perhaps the best solution in order to save money is to switch webhosting and/or Domain Register(If it take $100 a year for the name). If your paying more than $10 a year for a domain your getting screwed. UNLESS you got screwed by these people who are going to hold onto it when it expires and you can get it registered anywhere else.

Yes, I'm the new person and the cruel hearted one. I just want to know what it takes to run this place, because I always see these $500-$1000 a month charges for different websites and I think to myself...."why not move your hosting to a place that offers more for less. You keep the name you just have to move your stuff."

Web Lesson:
Domain Name Registration: All this is is the name, for example www.mysticwicks.com
It's about $10 a year for a domain name, sometimes less. If the person doesn't pay this fee, www.mysticwicks.com gets put up to be registered by someone else or the original register. Does the message board go away? No, it's simply found at (usually an IP address) www.hostersIPaddy/~user or something like that.

Web Hosting: This is the meat and potatoes of a website. If the person doesn't pay this, the message board goes away. Webhosting is from $3 a month to much higher depending on how much space and bandwidth yout need.

Terminology:

Web space: How much physical space you have to use for junk. A forum at it's core is usually abput 15-20MB and uses PHP and MySQL. (Both of which are extra perks you have to pay for in webhosting if you want a cool forum). However adding extras and such takes up more space.

Bandwidth: This is "space" that is used when you access and download data from the webhoster. Images, games, smilies, programs - anything that is taken off of the physical website. For example, smilies:
If 1 person uses a smilie :awilly: it's about 2kb that's 2 kb of bandwidth you have used, now 500 users read your post, that's now up to 1MB of bandwidth used because 500 people have to download that image. Now 1MB seems like a drop in the bucket, but looking at all the smilies on the website and all the smilies people use on every page....that adds up quickly.
Well, um.

MW bandwidth's is a lot more than a gig. I think we run about 3-5 gigs daily. That was a while back though...so I dont know..it most likely higher. I havent been watching those logs since I beefed up our pipes to 350 gig tranfer per month.

We also own our own servers and lease space for them. In the past year our monthly expenses have been in the $800 -$1000 a month range. That was before I consolidated the database and http server into one, more robust quad 4 server.

You have good facts. For a personal website or a small 20 person forum.

[mol]

Oh, and because of the traffic we have here, and at MWad, and the auctions there is no way we can *move* to a hosting service.

Like I said before, though...everyone chill. MW is not going anywhere.

[aura_reincarnation]

i just read my email! its so sad!i am having a hard time paying my bills right now!but i will keep them in my prayers and send energy!when i do get money i will send!I cant lose this place!its all i have in the way of Pagan (witch) friends!I love it here! *crys* i dont what to think about it shutting down! i will find some money if i have to!im going to send money!ASAP!but humm where do i send it and who do i make it out to?i wish i had known about that chat lastnight!i would have been there! *sad*

[6th Angel]

Oh, and because of the traffic we have here, and at MWad, and the auctions there is no way we can *move* to a hosting service.

Like I said before, though...everyone chill. MW is not going anywhere.
Well, I´m going to help out anyway.

I want to start a website using MW as a host, but I need MW members opinion on this.

View thread (http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?p=1590228#post1590228)

This would help out, right? :huh:

[Aine of the Fae]

First of all. THANKS to everyone.

Second of all...MW is not going anywhere. I am losing my job...yes...but MW will not be going anywhere because of it.

So calm down! :)

How can we chill!!!!!! Dude this place is our LIFE!!!! :lol: Especially those of us in the boonies who are forced to be in the closet because people still burn crosses in our county.....

[Amethyst Rose]

First of all. THANKS to everyone.

Second of all...MW is not going anywhere. I am losing my job...yes...but MW will not be going anywhere because of it.

So calm down! :)

Okay, so not to sound disrespectful or anything, but why's there such a big hoopla about it if the site's not going anywhere? Why the announcement? Why the threads and posts by admins and people that know more than the average member that suggest that that's exactly what's going to happen? I believe one post by Kaylara said that it had a month, tops.
What's going on?

[mol]

Okay, so not to sound disrespectful or anything, but why's there such a big hoopla about it if the site's not going anywhere? Why the announcement? Why the threads and posts by admins and people that know more than the average member that suggest that that's exactly what's going to happen? I believe one post by Kaylara said that it had a month, tops.
What's going on?
Well, when I told Kay yesterday that I was losing my job she obviously thought that this would mean the death of MW. It does mean that I will have little or no time for MW anymore because that was the beauty of my current job.

What I am trying to say is that Semele and I will NOT let this place close down. We will not let it happen no matter what. We will do what we have to do.

[SilverClaw]

and we will do what we have to do to help you Mol.

[mol]

and we will do what we have to do to help you Mol.
Thanks, Bran. I appreciate you all so much. I am sorry I havent been around to discuss and respond and set everyones mind at ease, especially Kay. When I got the news yesterday I have been full throttle trying to find a job.

Looks like I may have already found one, though. I think I am going to go ahead...bit the bullet...and go full time with MW.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Hey thats a good thing right? Now everyone who's said there going to send in money or subscribe just needs to be sure to follow through.

[6th Angel]

Thanks, Bran. I appreciate you all so much. I am sorry I havent been around to discuss and respond and set everyones mind at ease, especially Kay. When I got the news yesterday I have been full throttle trying to find a job.

Looks like I may have already found one, though. I think I am going to go ahead...bit the bullet...and go full time with MW.
I´m sure everyone will help out anyway we can. I know I´ll do my best to help you guys out.

[SilverClaw]

Thanks, Bran. I appreciate you all so much. I am sorry I havent been around to discuss and respond and set everyones mind at ease, especially Kay. When I got the news yesterday I have been full throttle trying to find a job.

Looks like I may have already found one, though. I think I am going to go ahead...bit the bullet...and go full time with MW.

It is ok that you have not been around that is understandbale. I put up a post in the energy forum for you last night and hope thatit all helps to get you on your feet and bring you luck in your new endeavour ! :D

[Amethyst Rose]

What I am trying to say is that Semele and I will NOT let this place close down. We will not let it happen no matter what. We will do what we have to do.

Okay, well, assuming that Kay passed on my offer to you, I want you to know that it'll always be an available option for you to take, if you need it.

[BlueTicona]

Hey Mol...fired off an email to version2@gmail.com that is the email addy right?

[BlueTicona]

I'm trying to help out as well Mol, but I need you to read the email lol ;)

/blue

[BlueTicona]

Hey mol: another way i'm helping:::

20% of all ad and contributions at my site go back into my community through drawings, gifts, etc. I have decided that through the month of february, the community gifts will be directed to MysticWicks.

[thought I'd share that w/ you ;)]

/blue

EDIT:
Which I'm sure will amount to a nice chunk of change _whistle_ :kooky:

[mol]

Okay, well, assuming that Kay passed on my offer to you, I want you to know that it'll always be an available option for you to take, if you need it.
Thanks, AR. I have still not made it through all of my pm's, emails, etc...so...I will have to catch up with everything going on.

BlueT: You rock. :D

[BlueTicona]

Aww thanks mol! :)

I like the site here, and have made quite a few friends here :fpeace:

I will be doing my part to ensuring that MW stays alive!

/blue

[~Anamorata~]

Payday is coming soon...look for me to be signing up once it does!!! You rock Mol!!! :wave:

[Maverynthia]

MW bandwidth's is a lot more than a gig. I think we run about 3-5 gigs daily. That was a while back though...so I dont know..it most likely higher. I havent been watching those logs since I beefed up our pipes to 350 gig tranfer per month.

THanks for the response. So, your running your own servers. Have you though about making your own buisness to sell webhosting to people? I think Pagan/Witch/General Occult focused targeting might bring yourself the income needed to support a server. I know you offer some webspace to MW Forum subscribers, perhaps maybe beefing that up for people who want to have a small online Pagan Buisness with no ads and something that's friendly to their way of life. Dedicated hosting and not just a small image gallery or 4 page website.

Just some ideas

[Yvonne Belisle]

Mol if it comes down to you needing it use the Help a member program for you and yours there isn't a person here who would say you don't need or deserve it just as much as anyone else. Not to mention we wouldn't have it if it were not for the sacrifices you and Semele make for us all.

[mol]

THanks for the response. So, your running your own servers. Have you though about making your own buisness to sell webhosting to people? I think Pagan/Witch/General Occult focused targeting might bring yourself the income needed to support a server. I know you offer some webspace to MW Forum subscribers, perhaps maybe beefing that up for people who want to have a small online Pagan Buisness with no ads and something that's friendly to their way of life. Dedicated hosting and not just a small image gallery or 4 page website.

Just some ideas
Our hosting is full service web hosting. I dont know how much more I can beef that up aside from creating and publishing and maintaining the websites for you. :)

[BlueTicona]

Mol!!! Get me email yet? :P

[ApollaJade]

Okay...I remember last time the server thing happened Klucky asked everyone to take down their banners for a little while because it helps the server run more smoothly....maybe we could all do that again? I mean my banner has been down for a couple days without it being on purpose...maybe I'll refrain from fixing it...?
Text is easier to process...it takes up less bandwidth..yada yada...put more of that, less graphics in your sig :)

for MW?

MW is home to more of us than most people will ever knpw, right?
It is the best thing that has happened to almost any of us, right?
Trying to limit graphics will help...but Mol and Semele deserve more than that.....
Come on people! HOw many of us walk into the corner store EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY DAY, to waste 2 bucks on an extra large cup of coffee we could make at home for half the price? And put the other half towards MW?
There are many people in this thread that have said it better than I ever could, but I can't stress it enough. (This coming from the girl so sick she feels like dying....but ALWAYS finds time for MW, lol)

[mol]

Okay...I remember last time the server thing happened Klucky asked everyone to take down their banners for a little while because it helps the server run more smoothly....maybe we could all do that again? I mean my banner has been down for a couple days without it being on purpose...maybe I'll refrain from fixing it...?
Text is easier to process...it takes up less bandwidth..yada yada...put more of that, less graphics in your sig :)

for MW?

MW is home to more of us than most people will ever knpw, right?
It is the best thing that has happened to almost any of us, right?
Trying to limit graphics will help...but Mol and Semele deserve more than that.....
Come on people! HOw many of us walk into the corner store EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY DAY, to waste 2 bucks on an extra large cup of coffee we could make at home for half the price? And put the other half towards MW?
There are many people in this thread that have said it better than I ever could, but I can't stress it enough. (This coming from the girl so sick she feels like dying....but ALWAYS finds time for MW, lol)
No! Banners are fine!

[RubyRose]

Well I'll be sending my subscription money off on Monday.

[ApollaJade]

No! Banners are fine!
*thinks reeeeaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllly hard*


I coulda sworrrreeeee....ahhh oh well :D it happens :P

[ravenmyst]

Got my subscription, guess I can try out afret dark now :)

[Xentor]

Got my subscription, guess I can try out afret dark now :)

Make sure to contact mol! He needs to give you access.

[mol]

*thinks reeeeaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllly hard*


I coulda sworrrreeeee....ahhh oh well :D it happens :P
What are you talking about!?! :)

Thanks, everyone. You rock the world!

[Traz Heart]

*dances around*

I am so happy to see everyone pull togeather for the site.

Like any form of media be it radio, tv, or internet the creators
usually only get negative feedback or requests for other things.

It is very rare that people show how much they care and like what has
been created.

This more then anything shows that MW is the exception to that.

Oh and don't worry my donation will be coming soon as well.

[Polyunsaturated]

Once I get money I'm sure as hell donating. This requires dying my hair a normal color and getting a normal cut... but I swear on Arachne that I'll donate ATLEAST $20. ^^ Great post by the way. I agree.

[wakywitch]

thanks MOL and HOLLY!
It's on it's way!!