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-- Posted by BlackCat on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
What's the best way to astral travel??
I'm a four year old Pagan universalist with the attention span of a cat and I still have trouble with the silly thing.:(
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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Quote: from BlackCat on 3:11 pm on Jan. 31, 2001
What's the best way to astral travel??
I'm a four year old Pagan universalist with the attention span of a cat and I still have trouble with the silly thing.:(
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You know...one my weak points is that I focused in one direction and didnt look back. In doing so I missed out on a lot of things. One happens to be this subject. But I am willing to spend the time and learn. Perhaps you know more than you think. Give us a little bit of information on the subject.
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-- Posted by Kiarda on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
I would like to learn more about this topic as well
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
i know a bit. i have already found my astral plain. would you like me to tell you how to do it? i mean atral project.
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by Sunsong on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Ok. i have read some books on this subject and if you want to dig a little deeper into the astral plane then you need to start keeping a dream journal. Dont buy any of the books that tell you what your dreams mean...they are crap. Just write down your dreams and your feelings...then at later dates, when you have some more knowledge, come back to your journal and look at the meanings you get from the inside.
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-- Posted by Kiarda on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Yes please Rosa..good advice thanks Sunsong
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Are astral travel and astral projection the same thing???
i think they are........well.........i'm going to tell you how to astral project.
1. sit in a darkened room (but not pitch black you need to be able to see)on the floor with you legs in a cumfortable position (it doesnt have to be cross legged), meditate for a while and picture a large number 7 in Red, number 6 in Orange, number 5 in Yellow and so on down to 1 in the rainbow colours.
2. then, sit in front of your bed and put your arm face up on the bed (but you are still sitting on the floor) then go into that place which is half awake and half asleep. if you do actually fall asleep, your arm will drop and it will wake you up.
for a few days, just practise going into that state until you can stay there for a few minutes.
3. when you are in the state of being awake and asleep, you may get a couple of shivvers. that is ok, it is just because your body is calming down and your heart beat is dropping.
i have to go now.
sorry for the abrupt ending but my mum just came in telling me to get off the computer. i will carry on later. meanwhile, just practise that far.
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by Zephyr on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Go on Rosabelle, It's really interesting.
I found this really good site on shapeshifting and Epona, the horse goddess. It is http://www.atheling.demon.co.uk/redvanes_horse_rituals.htm
It's really good
love
Zephyr
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-- Posted by atlantis on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
yeah but what kind of shapeshifting is it since there is shapeshifting into people/things and shapeshifting your body
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
it isnt shape shifting, it is astral projection which is different.
right carrying on from the last bit:
4. after the tingles and shakes you will feel asthough you are not completely in your body and as you get better at practising it you will eventually be able to step out of your body. this can either be done by stepping up or slipping down.
5. after you have left your body (you need to practise this A LOT!!!) there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
6.now you can walk around and travel with people not knowing you to be there, but you have to be EXTREMELY good at the basics before you do anything serious.
Good luck!!!
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Great post Rosabelle! Very interesting information indeed. I cant wait to here a little more!
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-- Posted by Shatav on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
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I've travelled astrally many, many times, and never once have I ever had this chord. I've heard people talk about it, but I'm not sure the significance really. I've never had it...my mentor trained me to travel without it. But, maybe it was in preparation training. I think maybe the chord is a bread crumb trail, so-to-speak, so you don't get lost and can't find your body again. Before I was ever to even attempt to leave my body for a moment, my mentor trained me to know myself on an 'energy' level...and to know others, and to know the difference.
Just some random thoughts...don't mind me... :)
Shatav
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-- Posted by Litha on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Use this pillow when you desire to Astral Travel. Inhale before sleep, place close to you while sleeping.
Ingredients:
Mugwort, Mint, Lavender, Passion Flower.
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-- Posted by mystichealer on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Quote: from Shatav on 5:39 pm on Feb. 5, 2001
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there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
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I've travelled astrally many, many times, and never once have I ever had this chord. I've heard people talk about it, but I'm not sure the significance really. I've never had it...my mentor trained me to travel without it. But, maybe it was in preparation training. I think maybe the chord is a bread crumb trail, so-to-speak, so you don't get lost and can't find your body again. Before I was ever to even attempt to leave my body for a moment, my mentor trained me to know myself on an 'energy' level...and to know others, and to know the difference.
Just some random thoughts...don't mind me... :)
Shatav
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Shatav, Im soooo interested in learning about travel. I envy you (if you will) because I dont not concider myself to know a mentor...Im taking applications if youd like a student. Somehow I know that this "astral" stuff is very important to my work and to my love. Please fell free to contact me anytime.
Student in waiting.
Mystichealer
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-- Posted by Kaylara on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Hi, every body!
I had someone post a question on this subject on my site's message board, and I figured that it might be helpful to re-post it here, for your viewing pleasure.
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I have been astrally projecting for as long as I can remember,
and meditating and doing trance work for about as long. Astral
projection seems to be the hardest of the three for new pagans
(and old) to do. There are many methods used in all of these
areas, more than one could ever know because many of the methods
are individually developed. Personally, to start my astral
projection, I use a method of trance/meditation/self hypnosis, to
get me in the mindset I need to be in to astrally project. I lay
down (the preferred position to be in when astrally projecting,
this way you won't get hurt physically if your body falls over,
and also, you won't get jolted back into your body. NOT a
pleasant sensation!) Just avoid the temptation to fall asleep.
I relax my body, focus on my breathing, and count slowly
backwards from 100. By the time you get to 0 you should be fully
relaxed. After that, I use a few different ways of astrally
projecting. The first one is envisioning a clone of your body
hovering above yourself, and then moving your conscienceness to
the clone instead of staying in your body. It's a strange
feeling the first time you look down on yourself laying
motionless on a bed, but resist the urge to return just yet.
Also, it may be wise to leave the room, as the physical body
tends to pull you back in if you don't leave the area fast
enough.
Now you have unlimited choices of where you want to go. You can
go anywhere in this world in an instant. (Another thing that
takes a bit of practice) Or you can go to the astral plane. It
is like changing dimesions, so imagine what you think that it
would feel like to change dimensions, and let yourself actually
change through the dimensions. (I know that this is not much
help, but it is the only way that I can explain it.)
There are a few cautions I advise you to read.
1)Always have a sheild up, and any other protections that you
want. The astral plain is not a joke, and is not too friendly to
new comers.
2) Stay away from the Lower levels (Hells) of the astral plane,
and also the Higher levels (Etheral beings don't like to be
disturbed). Both of these levels have things that can seriously
harm you. The hells hold what could be considered daemons. The
don't like people intruding in their space. Never merge your
life force to something with glowing red eyes!(LOL)
3) If you think you are in trouble, don't be afraid to scream for
help, and get out of the area as soon as possible.
I hope that this helps a little bit.
Blessed Be!
Kaylara
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-- Posted by Shatav on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Shatav, Im soooo interested in learning about travel. I envy you (if you will) because I dont not concider myself to know a mentor...Im taking applications if youd like a student. Somehow I know that this "astral" stuff is very important to my work and to my love. Please fell free to contact me anytime.
Student in waiting.
Mystichealer
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*chuckle* Although I'd love to, I made a commitment to myself to only teach in person with someone. It's just a personal choice and nothing against you. My training was intense and very rough, and had my mentor not been there to pull my behind out of the fire more than once, I'd probably be a mental vegitable by now. I tend to teach the same way. It's almost a trial by fire, but you always have your mentor there just in case you REALLY can't handle it.
Shatav
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-- Posted by BlackCat on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
What's the best way to astral travel??
I'm a four year old Pagan universalist with the attention span of a cat and I still have trouble with the silly thing.:(
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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Quote: from BlackCat on 3:11 pm on Jan. 31, 2001
What's the best way to astral travel??
I'm a four year old Pagan universalist with the attention span of a cat and I still have trouble with the silly thing.:(
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You know...one my weak points is that I focused in one direction and didnt look back. In doing so I missed out on a lot of things. One happens to be this subject. But I am willing to spend the time and learn. Perhaps you know more than you think. Give us a little bit of information on the subject.
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-- Posted by Kiarda on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
I would like to learn more about this topic as well
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
i know a bit. i have already found my astral plain. would you like me to tell you how to do it? i mean atral project.
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by Sunsong on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Ok. i have read some books on this subject and if you want to dig a little deeper into the astral plane then you need to start keeping a dream journal. Dont buy any of the books that tell you what your dreams mean...they are crap. Just write down your dreams and your feelings...then at later dates, when you have some more knowledge, come back to your journal and look at the meanings you get from the inside.
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-- Posted by Kiarda on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Yes please Rosa..good advice thanks Sunsong
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Are astral travel and astral projection the same thing???
i think they are........well.........i'm going to tell you how to astral project.
1. sit in a darkened room (but not pitch black you need to be able to see)on the floor with you legs in a cumfortable position (it doesnt have to be cross legged), meditate for a while and picture a large number 7 in Red, number 6 in Orange, number 5 in Yellow and so on down to 1 in the rainbow colours.
2. then, sit in front of your bed and put your arm face up on the bed (but you are still sitting on the floor) then go into that place which is half awake and half asleep. if you do actually fall asleep, your arm will drop and it will wake you up.
for a few days, just practise going into that state until you can stay there for a few minutes.
3. when you are in the state of being awake and asleep, you may get a couple of shivvers. that is ok, it is just because your body is calming down and your heart beat is dropping.
i have to go now.
sorry for the abrupt ending but my mum just came in telling me to get off the computer. i will carry on later. meanwhile, just practise that far.
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by Zephyr on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Go on Rosabelle, It's really interesting.
I found this really good site on shapeshifting and Epona, the horse goddess. It is http://www.atheling.demon.co.uk/redvanes_horse_rituals.htm
It's really good
love
Zephyr
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-- Posted by atlantis on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
yeah but what kind of shapeshifting is it since there is shapeshifting into people/things and shapeshifting your body
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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
it isnt shape shifting, it is astral projection which is different.
right carrying on from the last bit:
4. after the tingles and shakes you will feel asthough you are not completely in your body and as you get better at practising it you will eventually be able to step out of your body. this can either be done by stepping up or slipping down.
5. after you have left your body (you need to practise this A LOT!!!) there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
6.now you can walk around and travel with people not knowing you to be there, but you have to be EXTREMELY good at the basics before you do anything serious.
Good luck!!!
Rosabelle
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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Great post Rosabelle! Very interesting information indeed. I cant wait to here a little more!
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-- Posted by Shatav on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've travelled astrally many, many times, and never once have I ever had this chord. I've heard people talk about it, but I'm not sure the significance really. I've never had it...my mentor trained me to travel without it. But, maybe it was in preparation training. I think maybe the chord is a bread crumb trail, so-to-speak, so you don't get lost and can't find your body again. Before I was ever to even attempt to leave my body for a moment, my mentor trained me to know myself on an 'energy' level...and to know others, and to know the difference.
Just some random thoughts...don't mind me... :)
Shatav
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-- Posted by Litha on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Use this pillow when you desire to Astral Travel. Inhale before sleep, place close to you while sleeping.
Ingredients:
Mugwort, Mint, Lavender, Passion Flower.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Posted by mystichealer on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Quote: from Shatav on 5:39 pm on Feb. 5, 2001
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there will be a sort of cord attatching you toyour body. what ever you do, this cord MUST NOT BE BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or else your body will have no soul (if you believe that, because i'm not sure if i do).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've travelled astrally many, many times, and never once have I ever had this chord. I've heard people talk about it, but I'm not sure the significance really. I've never had it...my mentor trained me to travel without it. But, maybe it was in preparation training. I think maybe the chord is a bread crumb trail, so-to-speak, so you don't get lost and can't find your body again. Before I was ever to even attempt to leave my body for a moment, my mentor trained me to know myself on an 'energy' level...and to know others, and to know the difference.
Just some random thoughts...don't mind me... :)
Shatav
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Shatav, Im soooo interested in learning about travel. I envy you (if you will) because I dont not concider myself to know a mentor...Im taking applications if youd like a student. Somehow I know that this "astral" stuff is very important to my work and to my love. Please fell free to contact me anytime.
Student in waiting.
Mystichealer
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-- Posted by Kaylara on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
Hi, every body!
I had someone post a question on this subject on my site's message board, and I figured that it might be helpful to re-post it here, for your viewing pleasure.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have been astrally projecting for as long as I can remember,
and meditating and doing trance work for about as long. Astral
projection seems to be the hardest of the three for new pagans
(and old) to do. There are many methods used in all of these
areas, more than one could ever know because many of the methods
are individually developed. Personally, to start my astral
projection, I use a method of trance/meditation/self hypnosis, to
get me in the mindset I need to be in to astrally project. I lay
down (the preferred position to be in when astrally projecting,
this way you won't get hurt physically if your body falls over,
and also, you won't get jolted back into your body. NOT a
pleasant sensation!) Just avoid the temptation to fall asleep.
I relax my body, focus on my breathing, and count slowly
backwards from 100. By the time you get to 0 you should be fully
relaxed. After that, I use a few different ways of astrally
projecting. The first one is envisioning a clone of your body
hovering above yourself, and then moving your conscienceness to
the clone instead of staying in your body. It's a strange
feeling the first time you look down on yourself laying
motionless on a bed, but resist the urge to return just yet.
Also, it may be wise to leave the room, as the physical body
tends to pull you back in if you don't leave the area fast
enough.
Now you have unlimited choices of where you want to go. You can
go anywhere in this world in an instant. (Another thing that
takes a bit of practice) Or you can go to the astral plane. It
is like changing dimesions, so imagine what you think that it
would feel like to change dimensions, and let yourself actually
change through the dimensions. (I know that this is not much
help, but it is the only way that I can explain it.)
There are a few cautions I advise you to read.
1)Always have a sheild up, and any other protections that you
want. The astral plain is not a joke, and is not too friendly to
new comers.
2) Stay away from the Lower levels (Hells) of the astral plane,
and also the Higher levels (Etheral beings don't like to be
disturbed). Both of these levels have things that can seriously
harm you. The hells hold what could be considered daemons. The
don't like people intruding in their space. Never merge your
life force to something with glowing red eyes!(LOL)
3) If you think you are in trouble, don't be afraid to scream for
help, and get out of the area as soon as possible.
I hope that this helps a little bit.
Blessed Be!
Kaylara
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-- Posted by Shatav on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969
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Shatav, Im soooo interested in learning about travel. I envy you (if you will) because I dont not concider myself to know a mentor...Im taking applications if youd like a student. Somehow I know that this "astral" stuff is very important to my work and to my love. Please fell free to contact me anytime.
Student in waiting.
Mystichealer
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*chuckle* Although I'd love to, I made a commitment to myself to only teach in person with someone. It's just a personal choice and nothing against you. My training was intense and very rough, and had my mentor not been there to pull my behind out of the fire more than once, I'd probably be a mental vegitable by now. I tend to teach the same way. It's almost a trial by fire, but you always have your mentor there just in case you REALLY can't handle it.
Shatav