Black & White

[Windigo]

Do you believe there is a specific Dark Magik and Light Magik, or do you view things as shades of gray?




Do you prefer Dark Magik, Light Magik, or Gray Magik?




What for you defines the boundaries between Dark Magik or Light Magik?




Is it the outcome, or the intent?




Do you believe the end justifies the means?




Have you ever used a purely Dark Magik spell?




Have you ever used a purely Light Magik spell?




What were the results?




Do you believe using Dark Magik brings evil back to the caster?




Do you believe using Light Magik brings good back to the caster?

[Faelon_Moon_Hawk]

nope. no light, no dark. Magick is Magick. that simple. magick is a tool nothing more. Like any mundane tool it can be used either for good or ill. A hammer can be used equally to create or destroy, it all lies in the intent of the one who weilds it. Regaurdless of your use of magick there is a consequence to it, to every action, and y ou have to be willing to accept that for good or bad. Its an inherent risk in using magick, you may think you are donig good when in reality you arent, its a chance you take and a reason to think carefully before you cast.

[Verthandi]

nope. no light, no dark. Magick is Magick. that simple. magick is a tool nothing more. Like any mundane tool it can be used either for good or ill. A hammer can be used equally to create or destroy, it all lies in the intent of the one who weilds it. Regaurdless of your use of magick there is a consequence to it, to every action, and y ou have to be willing to accept that for good or bad. Its an inherent risk in using magick, you may think you are donig good when in reality you arent, its a chance you take and a reason to think carefully before you cast.
Yes, magic is magic, but I think she's asking how you use magic. Do you use what is commonly perceived as white magaic or what is commonly perceived as black or a combination of the two, usually referred to as gray magic?



Do you believe there is a specific Dark Magik and Light Magik, or do you view things as shades of gray?
I believe magic is light, dark and gray.


Do you prefer Dark Magik, Light Magik, or Gray Magik?
I use whatever magic is needed. I've performed bindings, I've used magic to aide my mundane life and I've used it for personal and spiritual growth. I suppose you could say I use black, white and grey.


What for you defines the boundaries between Dark Magik or Light Magik?
Light magic is anything that aides in personal/spiritual growth and dark is everything else. Gray is an odd combination of the two--it won't directly help you grow but it doesn't directly harm anyone either.


Is it the outcome, or the intent?
It's mostly intent. However, if my family is in debt and I cast a spell for money and my aunt dies, leaving us all a bunch of money, the outcome leans more toward dark. I didn't intend to harm anyone, but the death could have indirectly been influenced by the spell.


Do you believe the end justifies the means?
It depends. A person steals bread to feed his/her family (cliche as it is). This person has obviously comitted a crime, but his/her family doesn't starve.


Have you ever used a purely Dark Magik spell?
Yep. I bound someone.


Have you ever used a purely Light Magik spell?
Yep. I asked for guidance.


What were the results?
The person bound is out of my life and I was 'found' by the group of friends I have now.


Do you believe using Dark Magik brings evil back to the caster?

Do you believe using Light Magik brings good back to the caster?
I believe that every action has a reaction, whether it's Newton's law or the Rule of Three. If I influence the universe with my will, eventually it will come back to me. However, I don't know if it will occur in this life time or the next. Nor do I know if bad magic and actions result in punishment and good magic and actions result in rewards. It seems logical that good magic results in rewards, but who's to say that my action is truly good? I guess what I'm trying to say is that the universe will eventually balance itself and I can only hope that my actions will result in a reward.

[Flappersquirrel]

I don't really believe in the dark or light magic. I'm with Faelon_Moon_Hawk, on the "just a tool" thing.
When I think of dark and light magic, what I'm really thinking is in terms of good or bad actions on the part of the caster. So any opinion I'd have about dark or light magic would really just be a basic opinion I have about right and wrong.
That said, in regards to whether I believe there is light, dark or shades of grey magic, I'll have to go with the shades of grey. The only way to have purely good or bad magic is to be totally omnipetent and what my outcome will be, as well as completely understanding my motivations, my goal, and all prior experience that has led me to believe this is either a purely good or bad undertaking.
I aspire to work only good magic, just as I try to be a good person in all aspects of my life as seen through my personal moral compass. In reality, I have to admit that my magic is definately more in the shades of grey region.
As for the boundaries between light and dark, I believe it's a combination between intent and outcome. A well intentioned spell with no thought whatsoever to the consequences is just as bad to me as a wicked spell with all the negative consequences minimized.
Of course, this isn't on a broad religious level, just what I know deep down.
So, I've never cast a purely Light or Dark spell, by my bare bones ideas of what they could possibly be.
And since i don't believe in purely Light or Dark spells, the mostly Light or Mostly dark spells will probably have a return of the intent put out there, but there can still be conseqences opposite to what I may have intended.
Gah, this will have me arguing with myself for quite some time. Thanks for provoking those thoughts, Windigo!
:hmmmmm:

[Windigo]

Do you believe there is a specific Dark Magik and Light Magik, or do
you view things as shades of gray?
Hmmm, good evil or in between? To me, High Magic is emergence embracing both sides of the blade to achieve the neccessary intended result, therefore it is what happens in the end that determines the morality in the definition of Good or Evil. Positive outcome and negative outcome is the sum of the answer.

Do you prefer Dark Magik, Light Magik, or Gray Magik?
I prefer success in results.

What for you defines the boundaries between Dark Magik or Light
Magik?
The Target and its eventual outcome whether it is happiness or
sadness is the answer, and always should be happiness.

Is it the outcome, or the intent?
Outcome, always outcome.

Do you believe the end justifies the means?
sometimes, yes.

Have you ever used a purely Dark Magik spell?
Nope

Have you ever used a purely Light Magik spell?
Nope

Do you believe using Dark Magik brings evil back to the caster?
Back to the caster? If Dark magic is used, Evil is already there. :imout:

[Irena_chaosmoon]

Black and white, good and evil. I personally hate the reference to "black" magic and "white" magic. I guess its already been said, but I just do magic, and then leave it up to Diana to decide if my magic is worthy, you could say. Suggesting that there is black and white magic, also suggests that there and black and white gods/demons/angels/etc. Everything has a good and bad side, its how these sides are used, and ultimately percieved, that decides on the fate of the magic user. I don't believe in the 3 fold law, or karma, but I do believe that we are the sum of our actions.

[dr_zeus440]

Do you believe there is a specific Dark Magik and Light Magik, or do you view things as shades of gray?


neither. things simply are. imo, they are not classifiable as morally coloured in any way.


Do you prefer Dark Magik, Light Magik, or Gray Magik?


none of the above. imo, magik does not exist, dark/light/grey magik do not exist, dark/light/grey magic do not exist. dark/light/grey do not exist.


What for you defines the boundaries between Dark Magik or Light Magik?


no boundaries. imo, magik does not exist, dark/light magik do not exist, dark/light magic do not exist, they are constructs indirectly derived from a morally obsessed society. there are no boundaries in magic, as there are no boundaries in most other things.


Is it the outcome, or the intent?


any outcome is temporary. any intent is knowable only in part. neither outcome nor intent define. they account for, but do not define.


Do you believe the end justifies the means?


there is no such thing as an end. means simply eventuate. actions do not create results, they form parts of chains of action.


Have you ever used a purely Dark Magik spell?


imo, no such thing, so no.


Have you ever used a purely Light Magik spell?


imo, no such thing, so no.


What were the results?


n/a.


Do you believe using Dark Magik brings evil back to the caster?


imo, no such thing as magik, no such thing as dark magik, no such thing as dark magic, but if there was, it wouldnt bring evil back to the caster, as evil does not exist divorced of perception.


Do you believe using Light Magik brings good back to the caster?
imo, no such thing as magik, no such thing as light magik, no such thing as light magic, but if there was, it wouldnt bring good back to the caster, as good does not exist divorced of perception.

may you live, by, indirectly, virtue of your overformatting, in interesting times.

[Rick]

O gawd... please... not another thread on Black vs White magic... :twitch:

[Windigo]

O gawd... please... not another thread on Black vs White magic... :twitch:
Well, not really light Vs dark, more of opinions on them and experiences with both, not whether one is better or worse or wrong or right or whatever... :2G:

[Flappersquirrel]

O gawd... please... not another thread on Black vs White magic... :twitch:


Sure it's another one, but she did ask some good questions. Made me think anyway.
While it's fun to go through the older threads and read other replies, it's also nice to catch one I can actually reply to myself, without bumping an old thread back up. *shrug*
No as to whether my reply makes any difference, okay, not much. But it made me feel all important like for the moment.
Sorry to bore you. Heh.

[Pandoras]

Do you believe there is a specific Dark Magik and Light Magik, or do you view things as shades of gray?
I don't see most things as dichotomous - not sex or gender, not the divine, not energy, and not magic. So some of the questions about which I prefer, how I define them, and which type have I used does not apply to me. I think of magic as being neutral and natural.


Do you believe the end justifies the means?
Sometimes.


Do you believe using Dark Magik brings evil back to the caster?
Do you believe using Light Magik brings good back to the caster?
I believe in cause and effect. The effects of a positive spell may or may not be positive. Sometimes a person means for good things to happen, but it doesn't always work out that way.

[Rick]

Sure it's another one, but she did ask some good questions. Made me think anyway.
While it's fun to go through the older threads and read other replies, it's also nice to catch one I can actually reply to myself, without bumping an old thread back up. *shrug*
No as to whether my reply makes any difference, okay, not much. But it made me feel all important like for the moment.
Sorry to bore you. Heh.
It doesn't bore me (well... OK, but that's not important :hehehehe: ). It uses up bandwidth. 'Tis better to add to the old threads, I think. It's what we all, as good, conservation minded MysticWickians can do to help out. Penny saved is a penny saved.

BTW, wasn't referencing old threads... was referencing a thread that's very alive & active...

[dr_zeus440]

just like its better to post something once rather than twice? ;) hahaha. a mistake, i know, but still, the irony is delicious :D

[Kalika]

I don't think magic itself is black, grey, white - dark or light. It's the intention of the user that shapes the spell, and makes it for good or ill.

The closest thing I have done to what most would probably consider dark magic, is a binding spell. And only under extreme circumstances.

I believe that what goes around comes around, eventually - so if you wish ill on another, its likely to come back to you. Just as a good deed is generally rewarded.


:)

And I didn't do a reply with quote, so I can't remember all the other questions!

[fay]

im with faelon and kalika on this one. i dont think that magick itself is black, white or grey i think it just is.i think that intent and purpose is everything. you can use magick in any way you want to and for whatever means you want, but i believe that you should think about the consquences.
im not much of a spellcaster myself so im not sure i can answer the other questions.
blessed be

[ap Dafydd]

Is there black or white electricity? No? Same answer for magic(k).

Not our terminology.

Possibly a better split might be into High and Low magic.

(and no, there isn't High or Low electricity either...)

gwyn eich byd

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