I don't even know *this*!!! -

[blackroseivy]

- do Druids keep BOS?? I've been very slap-happy about this one anyway - kinda wondering where Wiccan practices leave off & Druidic begin, VERY ignorant, I know, I know!!! :alol:

[Ladyvi]

well.. in the past druids and druidism was very much an oral tradition. not much was written down.

now i believe they are writing things down. though i dont think druids call it a BOS. there isnt anything saying you cant keep one. i think it would be more on the lines of a journal. or something. i think my colleagues and the elders here would have more info on that.

me .. personally have notes. things i have written down on this or that piece of paper thrown into one over filled file folder. thats my "BOS". my poems though of insights, feelings and impressions however are in a poem journal of mine. when i finish a piece. i place it in this one journal.

the rest may have other ways of doing this. i dont know what the norm is.

[Maggie]

- do Druids keep BOS?? I've been very slap-happy about this one anyway - kinda wondering where Wiccan practices leave off & Druidic begin, VERY ignorant, I know, I know!!! :alol:

As Ladyvi said, the tradition was oral. I generally keep the same kind of thing, a journal rather than anything formal. Mine tends to be garden-oriented...

Maggie

[Dave the Druid]

I too keep a book.

Bad form I know, but as I grow older I know I am cursed with 3 of my grands having alzheimers so for me to write is a way of passing on what I have learned once I start to forget.

[blackroseivy]

Oh, wow, that's really sad! :( I think that writing things down does reinforce them. But I'm better at telling than writing anyway, even though I *do* write - it only emphasizes my insignificance to me to do it, I know that's weird, but it's how I feel...

[domiobrien]

Oh, wow, that's really sad! :( I think that writing things down does reinforce them. But I'm better at telling than writing anyway, even though I *do* write - it only emphasizes my insignificance to me to do it, I know that's weird, but it's how I feel...
There are thousands of early Irish manuscripts, many of them relevant to cosmology and practice. I have been fortunate enough to take an early Irish course with Dr. Paul Remley at UW. I am also fortunate enough to own some manuscript reprints (Coworker: What did your kids get you for your birthday? Me, happily: Audacht Morann, and Uriacecht na Riar. Coworker: WHAT?). I have a fantasy about going to Ireland when I retire and joining the legion of researchers and translators examining the hundreds of still untranslated early manuscripts....). I memorize a great deal. I insist my students memorize.
Domi

[Gwenhwyfar]

well.. in the past druids and druidism was very much an oral tradition. not much was written down.

now i believe they are writing things down. though i dont think druids call it a BOS. there isnt anything saying you cant keep one. i think it would be more on the lines of a journal. or something. i think my colleagues and the elders here would have more info on that.

me .. personally have notes. things i have written down on this or that piece of paper thrown into one over filled file folder. thats my "BOS". my poems though of insights, feelings and impressions however are in a poem journal of mine. when i finish a piece. i place it in this one journal.

the rest may have other ways of doing this. i dont know what the norm is.
Pretty much what I was thinking...I have a book, that I write all sorts of little tid bits in, I dont think of it as a BOS per say though.

[blackroseivy]

There are thousands of early Irish manuscripts, many of them relevant to cosmology and practice. I have been fortunate enough to take an early Irish course with Dr. Paul Remley at UW. I am also fortunate enough to own some manuscript reprints (Coworker: What did your kids get you for your birthday? Me, happily: Audacht Morann, and Uriacecht na Riar. Coworker: WHAT?). I have a fantasy about going to Ireland when I retire and joining the legion of researchers and translators examining the hundreds of still untranslated early manuscripts....). I memorize a great deal. I insist my students memorize.
Domi


Gods, you do what I can only fantasize about! :( I wish I could at the very *least* learn modern Gaelic...

[domiobrien]

Gods, you do what I can only fantasize about! :( I wish I could at the very *least* learn modern Gaelic...
There are Gaelic classes, Scots, Irish, and even some Manx, all over the place; tell me what part of the country you are in and I'll see if I can locate a class or a teacher contact for you.
Domi

[Dave the Druid]

Oh, wow, that's really sad! :( I think that writing things down does reinforce them. But I'm better at telling than writing anyway, even though I *do* write - it only emphasizes my insignificance to me to do it, I know that's weird, but it's how I feel...

The 'better at telling' tells me that you are of Bardic characteristics. this is a good thing.

[Twig]

You know this is one of the things that brought about the Fourth Age papers. The lack of things being written down until the faith was all but extinguished.

Therefore I say heck yes, write it ALL down. Otherwise the future generations will be as pissed at us as we are about the lack of info.

Peace,
Twig

[blackroseivy]

Now THERE'S a MODERN ATTITUDE!! :D & quite an attitude it is, too! Definitely duly noted!

[odubhain]

I'll have to say that memory is to be preferred over journals though each has its place in a modern Druid's practice. One must have a sufficient amount of instantly available knowledge to exercise wisdom, however the knowledge that is now available is so vast that I doubt one person could contain it all in their brains. Looking things up has its uses. Of course, a Druid could "go ontheir wattles" to discover through imbas anything that was beyond present knowing.

I write books but not Books of Shadows. I'd prefer to call my books Dúile Fedha.

Searles

[blackroseivy]

Ok, I can pronounce it (I'm good at Gaelic noises), but I don't know what it means - pleez translate? & I'm being driven nutz by "imbas" - this means "oral tradition", right? I only recently came across the term! (Really only just learning in my old age, here! ;) )

[Myrddyn Emrys]

http://fourthageofdruidry.blogspot.com/

To better clarify my cohort's strong oppinion....

[odubhain]

Ok, I can pronounce it (I'm good at Gaelic noises), but I don't know what it means - pleez translate? & I'm being driven nutz by "imbas" - this means "oral tradition", right? I only recently came across the term! (Really only just learning in my old age, here! ;) )

Oral tradition in Irish is "béalaireacht." Imbas means "knowledge" (as in knowledge that comes from the gods).

Another interesting Irish word is "seandraoi" which means "crafty old person" or "precocious child." It literally means "old druid." One wonders if this is a carryover from a belief in reincarnation?

Searles

[blackroseivy]

Wow, thanx for the link! :)

[odubhain]

http://fourthageofdruidry.blogspot.com/

To better clarify my cohort's strong oppinion....

I wonder where the Continental and the Irish forms of Druidry fit into your timeline?

Searles

[skilly-nilly]

I'm being driven nutz by "imbas" - this means "oral tradition", right? I only recently came across the term! (Really only just learning in my old age, here! ;) )

Not so much 'illumination' or 'knowledge', imo, but more 'enlightenment'.

Also the process by which one obtains Enlightenment, or entering the state where one 'sees'.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4715/imbasforosnai.html

Since the Old Irish World-View has only 3 "elements" or realms (Land, Sea, Sky) , what is the 4th element in the Greco-Roman World-View (Fire) is instead the activating principle in the Irish.

So the allusive metaphor for Imbas is 'the Fire in the Head'.

:crazyman: , skilly-nilly

[Nantonos]

I wonder where the Continental and the Irish forms of Druidry fit into your timeline?

Searles

Also, where does the dating of Cad Goddeau to 400 BCE come from? And why the importance of Glastonbury to the timeline?

tries to remember which Roman emperor had a prophesy from a druid in the 3rd/4th century, fails, goes to look it up.

[blackroseivy]

I thought so - inspiration! (Figured that out a little later.)

I know vaguely that to which you-all allude, but not nearly well enough... Bookshelf, here I come!

[Twig]

Ok, I can pronounce it (I'm good at Gaelic noises), but I don't know what it means - pleez translate? & I'm being driven nutz by "imbas" - this means "oral tradition", right? I only recently came across the term! (Really only just learning in my old age, here! ;) )

Imbas - I like to call it the "Bardic Fire in the Head". Inspiration to tthe point of Illumination.

Peace