Serious question

[LadyIllusions]

Hello all I am new around here I have a rather serious question and I am sorry if it offends anyone. But a little while ago I was real angry with this guy i recently broke up with and I reached over to black magick and hexed him and it was the hex of Lucifer and i also did a breakup spell which was black magic as well. I had never done black magick before but it turns ou they worked way better than i ever would have imagined and I seriously feeling bad about the hex. Not so much the breakup spell as i helped a lady with it. But can anyone help me in doing something to recitify what I have done? Some have said because I am worried and concerned then the repercussions were not from my doing the spell but I am not so sure how will i know for sure?
I wish i could find a easy straightforward love spell to win the mans heart whom I once had :( one that will work for me.If you have any ideas please let me know

[Shatav]

Boy, where to start. Well, first off, I would tell you that a love spell is just as bad as a break-up spell in my book. (I don't see black or white, just shades of grey, but that's another topic). When you attempt to do something to someone without their knowledge and without their consent, there are often some stiff reprucussions, whether it be "bad" or "good", which are terms that are very relative to each individual. What may seem good to you, getting back together with him, may not be what he wants and in his best interest.

So, where to go? I would first, if you haven't already, reverse any and all "hexes" you placed on him. It's passive, but you are only undoing what has been done. After that, it's really up to you to mend the personal bonds between the two of you that may have been severed.

I know it's not a straightforward answer, but it's what I'd do...and btw, in the past, I did almost the same thing, but it was to my friend's boyfriend, not my own. We all live and we all learn.

[Sephiroth]

hey shatav im confused now didnt mol say yesturday or earlier that that that there is no such thing as WHITE and BLACK magick just the person how wheelds it not to make that last part sound rude

[Dagda Moon~Lily]

I agree with Shatav. It's just bad karma to take away someone's free will, their choice. Remember, one door doesn't close without another one opening. Focusing on the past only leaves you blind to the future.

Late last summer, a man I feel I was destined to be with left me for his ex-girlfriend and married her within 2 months. He didn't let me down easy at all....I was a wreck for those two months. Couldn't eat or sleep, mildly depressed. I did nothing to interfere with their relationship....or plans. I am close with his sister and his daughter....I think that irritates him. :) He wife just positively hates me, though I have done nothing. I didn't 'chase' after him, I just let him go. I think he really appreciated it. I've seen him from a distance, dozens of times....and he looks at me every time....so much so, I think his head will snap! :) I feel that he is 'drinking me in' so to speak. Maybe he misses me, who knows. I feel if he is to come back, it will have to be of his own free will, not my imposed will. I only want him back if he wants to be back. I want to know that he's back because he loves me, not because of some spell I've cast. That's just my integrity and pride.

I did a spell, but not to hex him (though it crossed my mind). I did one for clarity of mind and heart....and what was best for him. Anyways, he married her 2 days after my birthday, which is on Mabon, and from what others are telling me....he's perfectly miserable and bitter about his present situation. I feel that the 3-fold return law came back and is kicking his booty. Does he deserve it?? I can't answer, but it makes me feel a little better. :) This is why I try not to hurt anyone. I feel NOONE deserves to feel the pain that I suffered. Maybe I'm just too forgiving.....and tender hearted. But now I feel justice has been served, and it was from nothing I did. I feel no ill repercussions. Sometimes you just have to let go, and if it comes back, great, if not.....move on and show them the fortitude and strength you have to carry on.


Dagda

[KyGreenWitch]

Be careful, my friend. It is my personal belief that the 3 fold law is the universal repercussion here. Light a blue candle for protection and announce your doings to the Lord and Lady (or whomever you are comfortable with). Light a white candle to cleanse your truths. Annoint yourself with an oil, perhaps White Angelica. I would also suggest annointing the candles (besides yourself) with White Angelica for balancing and protection.

Blessed be -

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by KyGreenWitch
Be careful, my friend. It is my personal belief that the 3 fold law is the universal repercussion here.

Ah, yes. but you must always keep in mind that the Wiccan Rede and that the Threefold Law doesn't apply to each and every Pagan or Pagan Pathway. Just being Pagan doesn't (and shouldn't) imply that these things are blanket-coverage for all Traditions/Paths/Faiths/etc.

[mol]

Originally posted by Mairwen


Ah, yes. but you must always keep in mind that the Wiccan Rede and that the Threefold Law doesn't apply to each and every Pagan or Pagan Pathway. Just being Pagan doesn't (and shouldn't) imply that these things are blanket-coverage for all Traditions/Paths/Faiths/etc.

Ky did day..."It is my personal belief"

And I do agree...just pointing that out. ;)

[Shatav]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
hey shatav im confused now didnt mol say yesturday or earlier that that that there is no such thing as WHITE and BLACK magick just the person how wheelds it not to make that last part sound rude

Okay, you're talking heavy philosophy here. If you want my full thinking on the matter, I'm more than happy to share it. I don't believe in black or white, good or bad. I don't even believe that intent has much to do with it, though this is a common idea...but I do believe in reprucussions, but for very different reasons. Not knowing what you're doing can lead to some serious side-effects, three-fold law aside even (which I don't subscribe to that either).

[Silverwitch]

We've all been tempted at one time or another, but looking before you leap and act in haste and repent at leisure are good old fashioned Christian proverbs that translate just as easily to Pagans!

I believe that there is no such thing as Black or White Magick, basically it's as neutral as electricity, which can be used to either power an incubator to keep a baby alive, or power an electric chair to kill a criminal, it all depends on the practitioner! Just as you wouldn't muck about with naked electricity if you didn't know what you were doing, the same applies to Magick. Of it's self, it is not dangerous, but if your knowledge is limited, you can get seriously burnt. I'm not trying to put the wind up anyone, but consequences (or cause and effect) must be taken into consideration. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So, what to do. Think carefully about what you want to achieve with your Magical workings, and always try to work for the best possible outcome, for yourself and those around you. If you want to banish someone from your life, make sure they leave because they get a promotion, or a new house, or a lottery win, something they've always wanted. That way you both get the best possible outcome. Time put in carefully planning will pay rewards when you come to do your magic.

Many of the things we experience in life are for a purpose, and we have free will to deal with them. Try all the normal methods first, and when all else fails, turn to your Magick, ensuring that the outcome is the best possible for everyone and if in doubt - ask!

BB Silverwitch

[Shatav]

Originally posted by Silverwitch
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

That is how I see everything, silverwitch. It's not good or bad, just another reaction and you have to be ready to understand what those reactions are likely to be, and accept them.

[folkwitch]

Will someone please explain to me the three fold law? I put a money spell (without asking permission) on a friend of mine about six weeks ago. He had been complaining about not having the money to pay me what he owed me. The spell specified that he would recieve three times his normal income for the next six months. Anyway, when I told him about the spell, he was really upset with me and has avoided me ever since. However, since then, I have recieved over $5,000. Everything I put on ebay brings wayyyyy more than it should! That amount of money is a lot more than this guy owes me and many times the amount that I would expect to make in six weeks. Any comments?

[eaglewolf]

The only thing I can offer is...

Religion is not government, thus neither governed nor policed... "laws" are just not possible.

I still have a hard time understanding how a respectful ritual practice worked and contorted its way into "Wiccan Law." :(

I am Wiccan, and have been for many years (22)... I have never adhered to this concept and never will. Does that make me any less Wiccan than those who do? Who's to say?

The Rule of Three, in my opinion, is just not logically possible. Does logic have a place in spirituality? When it is applied to something as tangible as the three fold law has been made out to be, then yes, I think it does...

~ew

[Lilu]

To address the first question asked, I think you're just going to have to ride out whatever repercussions come of doing the spell. Definitely reverse it now, or it might end up coming out worse for you in the long run, karma-wise.

You may like to try doing a karma inducing spell to bring on the karma immediately, but that can be nasty if you have a lot of negative karma built up. I've used one successfully before, but others have suffered from using them.

My advice: Do what you can to right what you did wrong, and give your wrongs up to the universe for your karma.

****

To folkwitch, I have a comment to about the money spell. In my books, casting a spell on anyone without their permission is very wrong, and if I were your friend I'd be pretty pissed off right now.

The thing with spells is that you can cast them, and they can work, but the WAY they work can sometimes be bad unless you are sure to specify "for the good of all involved" - and if you are casting a spell without permission I don't see where that is for the good of all involved.

What I like to point out especially in money spells, is that you have to be careful about how you specified this money is to come to your friend. Sure his paycheck may be doubled for the next 6 months, but REALISTICALLY how is this going to happen? For all you know, your spell might cause a family member of his to die, and the extra money would come from a trust fund or inheritance. So they get the money, but at what cost?

I'd look carefully at how you worded that spell, and hope nothing bad comes from it. You can't just conjure money out of thin air.

bb
lilu

[folkwitch]

Well, the last time I did it for him, he won the money on the lottery, but that time he asked me to do it. I never specify WHERE or HOW the money is to come - I just ask that it be provided "from the bounty of the universe." It could come from anywhere. It's really fun to watch and see where it DOES come from. I have never stated specifically "for the good of all involved." I do, however, always invoke my guardian spirits before casting a spell and ask them not to let me do harm to anyone. Nothing like DEATH and inheiritance has ever resulted.

ps... I'm not sure I agree with you that you can't conjure money out of thin air. Sometimes it sure seems that way!

[Silverwitch]

Originally posted by folkwitch


ps... I'm not sure I agree with you that you can't conjure money out of thin air. Sometimes it sure seems that way!
I think what Lilu was getting at by saying "you can't conjure money out of thin air", was that even if you do all the spells in the world, you won't suddenly get a puff of smoke and a pile of fivers (sorry don't know the dollar equivalent!) on the carpet! It has to work within the Laws of the Universe.

I also have to say that it's very iffy doing stuff for other people without their knowledge, even if you think it's going to be good for them. Aside from any "bad karma", no-one can know what is "good" for anyone else, it's all a matter of perspective - the good old "one man's meat is another's poison" thing.

Regarding the Wiccan "Three Fold Law" ie What you give out, you get back three fold, whether you subscribe to this or not, there are always consequences to what you do, as you've found out, and these may not always be what you expect. To quote once again "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction".

Hope this helps

[KyGreenWitch]

MM, Silverwitch -

I agree with both your posts here. You are indeed wise. For me, the three fold thingy is a "matter of speech". Being an eclectic mutt, I believe in many things and many of those things may be called by different names but are mere similar in nature. The 3 fold law, to me, is a figure of speech. It, to me, is to say that what comes around goes around (Karma). I believe in the energies of the Universe and that they will commune with like energies. YOu put it out there and it is bound to find you! Make sense everyone?

Just thought I'd throw in my nickle's worth!

BB -

[Mairwen]

You can't just conjure money out of thin air.


Says who? I mean, seriously. Why not?

I've done prosperity work before, taken a walk and found money lying on the street. I've done prosperity work and gotten rebate checks in the mail for things I know I didn't send in a rebate fore (I hardly ever send in a rebate for anything). I'll be heading my way quickly toward broke and people fork up money they owe me, or I find a $10 bill in a parking lot, or a $50 check from ... somewhere ... comes in the mail.

I joke and say Goddess is watching out for me because I always have money in my pocket ~ just when I think I'm going to hit rock bottom, a small windfall comes along just in time to pull me back onto my feet.

Money coming from thin air?

Sometimes.

[folkwitch]

Originally posted by Mairwen


Says who? I mean, seriously. Why not?

I've done prosperity work before, taken a walk and found money lying on the street. I've done prosperity work and gotten rebate checks in the mail for things I know I didn't send in a rebate fore (I hardly ever send in a rebate for anything). I'll be heading my way quickly toward broke and people fork up money they owe me, or I find a $10 bill in a parking lot, or a $50 check from ... somewhere ... comes in the mail.

I joke and say Goddess is watching out for me because I always have money in my pocket ~ just when I think I'm going to hit rock bottom, a small windfall comes along just in time to pull me back onto my feet.

Money coming from thin air?

Sometimes.



EXACTLY! THANK YOU!

[eaglewolf]

Eh?

[folkwitch]

Originally posted by eaglewolf
Eh?

Did we wake you up? sorry.

[Silverwitch]

Originally posted by Mairwen


Says who? I mean, seriously. Why not?

I've done prosperity work before, taken a walk and found money lying on the street. I've done prosperity work and gotten rebate checks in the mail for things I know I didn't send in a rebate fore

Money coming from thin air?

Sometimes.


Although the money you receive has been unexpected, it still hasn't come out of thin air (wish it did!) - it has arrived albeit unexpectedly through normal natural channels, like a rebate, or money owed, or finding it. The fact that you used Prosperity spells attracted the money, but it came through ordinary channels.

What I was getting at was that if you do a spell, it doesn't matter how diligent or fervernt you are, the money will not materialise in front of your eyes, where none had been before, it doesn't rain money because that would be against the Laws of the Universe.

Whilst we know that magic has been the method by which we have received what we wanted, others will always say it's "coincidence" or just "luck". That's one of the reasons why it is so difficult to prove magic exists!

Here endeth the lesson :bigredgri

[folkwitch]

When I consider the 'laws of the universe' I include metaphysical stuff. I've had someone walk up to me and say, "I don't understand why I'm doing this but I feel compelled to give you this..... (whatever)". Well, I understand perfectly - it's because I asked the "powers that be" for a birthday present or some such thing.

PS. Before you start yelling at me; I never ask specifically for somebody else's stuff! Besides, when I need a birthday present, I don't want to know what it is or where it's coming from in advance. I like surprises.

[Silverwitch]

Originally posted by folkwitch
When I consider the 'laws of the universe' I include metaphysical stuff. I've had someone walk up to me and say, "I don't understand why I'm doing this but I feel compelled to give you this..... (whatever)". Well, I understand perfectly - it's because I asked the "powers that be" for a birthday present or some such thing.

PS. Before you start yelling at me; I never ask specifically for somebody else's stuff! Besides, when I need a birthday present, I don't want to know what it is or where it's coming from in advance. I like surprises.

I wouldn't dream of yelling at you:bigredgri, and yes, I know what your saying about the metaphysical stuff, I still maintain that even though you've asked "the powers that be" for a birthday present or something, it comes through in the normal manner i.e. someone gives it to you, and it doesn't just drop out of thin air !!!!! Back to the old Laws of the Universe, don't ya just love 'em!

Can't keep up with these lively debates, my poor old brain is revolting (perhaps not the best choice of words!). I am therefore away to my bed, probably to lie awake for hours trying to think of music to fit the Tarot cards ;)

[folkwitch]

OK. In the meantime, I'll try to dream up some tarot cards to fit some music.