Tabbykitty
February 23rd, 2005, 01:38 AM
Hi Everyone,
I ran through a few posts and noticed the views and debates on karma. I guess not everyone here believes in karma, and in a way, I sometimes wonder if there is indeed such a thing. However, events that I was witness to in the last few months have tipped a few more beans on the side of "there is this thing called karma".
Im not looking to impose a viewpoint on anyone. I just want to share what i have seen so that those who are still wondering can come to some kinda tentative conclusion.
For the longest time, I have never wanted to believe in this thing called karma because it felt like some kinda dogmatic chain. This was particularly hard cos I am born and currently live in the Far East. Almost everyone I knew believed in karma on some level. Even if they were from a monotheistic religion, they STILL tended to talk about retribution in terms of karma.
My own fear of karma was that it limited my free will. Was I really the product of all my other lifetimes? Could I not change the karmic pattern and become whoever I wanted to be?
Well, here's an interesting case of two young men. N and S, whom I've had the opportunity to get to know first hand.
Some of you might remember N from:
Irritated Magus Casts Spell For Wannabe (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=79929)
Giving Up Magick Forever (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=85307)
I meet weekly with a group of people who range from the psychically gifted to practicioners of the esoteric arts. Most of us younger ones attend the same meditation classes and go to the same workshops and seminars.
The advantage of being in a group full of psychics and other mystic types is that in the event of a mystical or spiritual question, we can all put our heads together for an answer.
This was what happened with N and his friend S.
See, N attended the same meditation class with us and in the process, we all found that we have spent several lifetimes together with the same group of people. Each of us taking different roles in each incarnation. (This is to cut a very very long story of self discovery short) We were even able to pinpoint the roles we played and even the karmic links and patterns that we tended to fall into.
N found out that he always had a love-hate, conflict-based relationship with S. And in almost every lifetime, with the exception of the present lifetime, they were always of the opposite gender to each other. (Well, we had A LOT of help digging this fact up)
Anyways, the end result of their relationship was that S would usually backstab N or win out over him in some area of their lives. AND.... here's the kicker that really makes the situation ironic: While N is always trying to get power through magic or mystical means and always failing because of inaptitude, S on the other hand would always almost be highly gifted in this field. BUT, S would in the end be done in by his/her magic and manipulative ways.
In this lifetime, S is incredibly gifted both in terms of psychic development as well as mystical arts. He is the only one I know of who managed to open his third eye on his own through experimentation.... but at a terrible terrible cost.
When N got his magical gift from Pete and the others, they cautioned him never to mention what they did for him to S, because S would become horribly jealous and want what N has or maybe even try to steal it from him. (Well, when N still had that magical gift, he was able to somewhat do remote viewing without any pain or discomfort. This was not so for S who was always feeling pain whenever he used any psychic ability.)
In the last few months, S tried to approach Pete the magus to teach him some magick stuff. At one point, Pete got so annoyed, he gave S a tongue lashing that would make most people cringe. The problem with S was that he wanted power without going through long periods of study and research and without being responsible for his actions. Moreover, against Pete's prior advice on exercising common sense, S had gone and cultivated "negative energy" in his own body, resulting in huge boils that no doctor could figure out where they came from.
We knew the cause for the boils because two student healers who tried to heal S were actually found their hands turning cold from the negative energy that leaked into their energetic fields!
Well, after that terrible tongue lashing, S left the group. Personally I think it was all for the best cos this guy just sat quietly around picking up whatever knowledge of rituals, spells and ceremonies that were mentioned. Like N, he wasn't one of those types who reads a lot, so he had to rely on leeching knowledge from others.
Anyway, N tried to persuade S from his destructive practices and consequently spent a lot of time with him. Well, this would seem like a very very nice thing that N is doing, except for the fact that BOTH young men are like blind men leading each other. S doesnt really do research and just practices whatever strange thing he hears about and N is highly guilible and cant tell if what S is doing is safe and sane or not.
Because of the dangerous practices S tends to indulge in, N's friends persuaded N to just disassociate himself from S and spend more time with them and the group. Well, N TRIED to do just that, but he always found himself going back to S for the strangest of reasons. It got to the point where N was always running to S when the guy got into trouble or whinned to N that he was lonely.
I was really really really curious as to N's behaviour. Although both men are not gay, they acted like a couple. With S was like this whiny girlfiend and N was well, the guy who couldnt see that his "girlfriend" was taking up every bit of spare time that he had.
I decided to take the direct approach and ask N about his behaviour. I pointed out to him that although S was his friend, there were other guys in the group who had much much more in common with N than S had. I asked him why he felt this urge to run to S whenever the guy whinned like a girl.
Well, his answer to me, not surprisingly, was, "I DONT KNOW!"
From my talks with N I found out that he was aware of the fact that S will likely backstab him if he stood in the way of S's interest. Being the selfish, self-centred guy that he was, I would expect N to either avoid S or stab him right back, but ironically..... N just shrugged his shoulders and he still continues to spend a lot of time with S.
Well, Ive decided that on the day S DOES backstab N or when N gets into deep doo doo because of S, I'll take my digicam and record S's reaction. (He might even blame N for his troubles) THen, I am going to show it to N. If N STILL continues to spend loads of time with S, entertaining his every whim, I'm gonna just say one thing....
"It's KARMA man... pure KARMA."
I think thats the only explanation for this strange behaviour.
I know this is a very very long post, but I'd like to hear what you all think about this stange case. Are N and S both trapped in some kinda karmic cycle? Or are they acting out some weird psychological dependency thingy.
I ran through a few posts and noticed the views and debates on karma. I guess not everyone here believes in karma, and in a way, I sometimes wonder if there is indeed such a thing. However, events that I was witness to in the last few months have tipped a few more beans on the side of "there is this thing called karma".
Im not looking to impose a viewpoint on anyone. I just want to share what i have seen so that those who are still wondering can come to some kinda tentative conclusion.
For the longest time, I have never wanted to believe in this thing called karma because it felt like some kinda dogmatic chain. This was particularly hard cos I am born and currently live in the Far East. Almost everyone I knew believed in karma on some level. Even if they were from a monotheistic religion, they STILL tended to talk about retribution in terms of karma.
My own fear of karma was that it limited my free will. Was I really the product of all my other lifetimes? Could I not change the karmic pattern and become whoever I wanted to be?
Well, here's an interesting case of two young men. N and S, whom I've had the opportunity to get to know first hand.
Some of you might remember N from:
Irritated Magus Casts Spell For Wannabe (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=79929)
Giving Up Magick Forever (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=85307)
I meet weekly with a group of people who range from the psychically gifted to practicioners of the esoteric arts. Most of us younger ones attend the same meditation classes and go to the same workshops and seminars.
The advantage of being in a group full of psychics and other mystic types is that in the event of a mystical or spiritual question, we can all put our heads together for an answer.
This was what happened with N and his friend S.
See, N attended the same meditation class with us and in the process, we all found that we have spent several lifetimes together with the same group of people. Each of us taking different roles in each incarnation. (This is to cut a very very long story of self discovery short) We were even able to pinpoint the roles we played and even the karmic links and patterns that we tended to fall into.
N found out that he always had a love-hate, conflict-based relationship with S. And in almost every lifetime, with the exception of the present lifetime, they were always of the opposite gender to each other. (Well, we had A LOT of help digging this fact up)
Anyways, the end result of their relationship was that S would usually backstab N or win out over him in some area of their lives. AND.... here's the kicker that really makes the situation ironic: While N is always trying to get power through magic or mystical means and always failing because of inaptitude, S on the other hand would always almost be highly gifted in this field. BUT, S would in the end be done in by his/her magic and manipulative ways.
In this lifetime, S is incredibly gifted both in terms of psychic development as well as mystical arts. He is the only one I know of who managed to open his third eye on his own through experimentation.... but at a terrible terrible cost.
When N got his magical gift from Pete and the others, they cautioned him never to mention what they did for him to S, because S would become horribly jealous and want what N has or maybe even try to steal it from him. (Well, when N still had that magical gift, he was able to somewhat do remote viewing without any pain or discomfort. This was not so for S who was always feeling pain whenever he used any psychic ability.)
In the last few months, S tried to approach Pete the magus to teach him some magick stuff. At one point, Pete got so annoyed, he gave S a tongue lashing that would make most people cringe. The problem with S was that he wanted power without going through long periods of study and research and without being responsible for his actions. Moreover, against Pete's prior advice on exercising common sense, S had gone and cultivated "negative energy" in his own body, resulting in huge boils that no doctor could figure out where they came from.
We knew the cause for the boils because two student healers who tried to heal S were actually found their hands turning cold from the negative energy that leaked into their energetic fields!
Well, after that terrible tongue lashing, S left the group. Personally I think it was all for the best cos this guy just sat quietly around picking up whatever knowledge of rituals, spells and ceremonies that were mentioned. Like N, he wasn't one of those types who reads a lot, so he had to rely on leeching knowledge from others.
Anyway, N tried to persuade S from his destructive practices and consequently spent a lot of time with him. Well, this would seem like a very very nice thing that N is doing, except for the fact that BOTH young men are like blind men leading each other. S doesnt really do research and just practices whatever strange thing he hears about and N is highly guilible and cant tell if what S is doing is safe and sane or not.
Because of the dangerous practices S tends to indulge in, N's friends persuaded N to just disassociate himself from S and spend more time with them and the group. Well, N TRIED to do just that, but he always found himself going back to S for the strangest of reasons. It got to the point where N was always running to S when the guy got into trouble or whinned to N that he was lonely.
I was really really really curious as to N's behaviour. Although both men are not gay, they acted like a couple. With S was like this whiny girlfiend and N was well, the guy who couldnt see that his "girlfriend" was taking up every bit of spare time that he had.
I decided to take the direct approach and ask N about his behaviour. I pointed out to him that although S was his friend, there were other guys in the group who had much much more in common with N than S had. I asked him why he felt this urge to run to S whenever the guy whinned like a girl.
Well, his answer to me, not surprisingly, was, "I DONT KNOW!"
From my talks with N I found out that he was aware of the fact that S will likely backstab him if he stood in the way of S's interest. Being the selfish, self-centred guy that he was, I would expect N to either avoid S or stab him right back, but ironically..... N just shrugged his shoulders and he still continues to spend a lot of time with S.
Well, Ive decided that on the day S DOES backstab N or when N gets into deep doo doo because of S, I'll take my digicam and record S's reaction. (He might even blame N for his troubles) THen, I am going to show it to N. If N STILL continues to spend loads of time with S, entertaining his every whim, I'm gonna just say one thing....
"It's KARMA man... pure KARMA."
I think thats the only explanation for this strange behaviour.
I know this is a very very long post, but I'd like to hear what you all think about this stange case. Are N and S both trapped in some kinda karmic cycle? Or are they acting out some weird psychological dependency thingy.